Delta’s Operation Ain’t What It Used to Be


We’ve already talked about American’s operational issues, but today I’m looking at you, Delta. American hasn’t been a star performer for ages, but Delta? Delta has been the king for years. That crown appears to have some tarnish on it these days.

You may have heard about the Delta pilots setting up a website to help travelers deal with disruption. This is nothing but a negotiating ploy. The contract becomes amendable later this year, and they are just starting to chirp about it. This won’t help negotiations, but it does attract a lot of media coverage which Delta management certainly doesn’t like. The hope is presumably that this will put pressure on Delta to make concessions to get a deal done. It won’t, and the reality is… I don’t care about this at all.

What I do care about is that this effort is coming from somewhere — the union isn’t making this issue up. Delta does have an operational problem. So today I’ll focus on what has been going on.

In a note from COO Dan Janki in May, the airline indicated it was happy with its on-time performance, but “we need to improve controllable cancels and IROP recovery.” I’m not sure I agree. Oh sure, it does have a problem with cancellations and irregular operations, but on-time performance has suffered as well. While there are several issues that have led to this decline, one of the hot button topics is centered around pilot availability.

A letter from Ryan Gumm, SVP Flight Operations from April, explained that trips that needed coverage saw acceptance rates plummet from 37 percent to two percent. To me, this sounds like an effort to blame labor, so I spoke with Delta’s pilots union chair Eric Criswell to get his side. Eric said they don’t have access to the dataset that Delta referred to in that latter, but he wanted to point out that the number of trips made available has jumped significantly in the last year. You would expect acceptance rates to drop in a bigger pool. From the union’s perspective, staffing is a primary concern in this whole mess.

In 2025, they say pilot demand hours increased 4.2 percent versus last year, but the actual number of pilots employed at the airline fell. Thanks to that, they also said that pilots are working on their days off at a higher rate than in the past. In a recent Chairman’s Letter from the union, it said “the Company is now hiring aggressively to address their self-imposed staffing shortfall.” The airline certainly doesn’t dispute that. It is hiring as we speak, so clearly some pilot modeling went wrong last year.

Regardless of the reason for these issues, Delta is not living up to the carefully-constructed brand image as an operational rock star over the last couple decades. Though as mentioned this isn’t just about cancellations and IROPS, let’s start with those cancellations first. As usual, I turned to Anuvu for the data.

This is where Delta used to excel the most. It almost never canceled flights back in its heyday, but now it is doing that far more often. Instead of looking at aggregate numbers, I thought it more help to compare to the industry.

Delta Completion Factor vs Industry By Month

Data via Anuvu, Industry includes AA/AS/B6/DL/HA/UA/WN

Remember, a good standard is to try to complete 99 percent of flights or better, so if Delta is consistently up by 1 to 2 points on the industry as it was for years? That’s a huge difference. But it has slipped, and this year it has been downright worse than the industry overall in more than one month. Outside of April, it has not been above 99 percent in any single this year.

We’ve talked about why that might be happening, but what about on-time percentage? I don’t like what I see there either. Delta doesn’t seem concerned in its communications, but maybe it shouldn’t be…

Delta A14 % By Month

Data via Anuvu, Industry includes AA/AS/B6/DL/HA/UA/WN

Delta was performing better than industry even until the end of 2024 with just a little hiccup thanks to the Crowdstrike failure at the end of July that year. But then, A14 has continued to trail off. It has rebounded after a pretty bad winter, but it is still below where it has been historically.

One of the big issues here seems to be block time. Delta was known for padding block times to improve performance, and there’s nothing wrong with that as a strategy. It certainly bought the airline massive goodwill. But that seems to have changed, and it just hasn’t given itself the block time it needs to run an on-time airline. Let’s take a look.

Delta B0 % By Month

Data via Anuvu, Industry includes AA/AS/B6/DL/HA/UA/WN

As a reminder, B0 is the percentage of time that a flight operates within the allotted block time. It can run 5 hours late, but if the airline files a schedule that shows gate pushback to gate arrival is 74 minutes and the flight operates in 74 minutes or less? That counts as meeting block time.

In the chart above, you can see a marked fall-off in 2024. Delta must have lowered its block times to try to improve utilization and lower costs, and the result has been performance degradation. It has in some recent months performed worse than the industry overall.

So what is Delta doing? We’ve already talked about pilot hiring which will help bolster the reserves that are needed to cover trips, but the airline is also bulking up in crew scheduling and customer-facing agents so it can better help when things go wrong. It has also been having issues with what it calls “fleet health, so it is working with the maintenance organization to try to fix some of those gaps. There are other moves it can make around the edges as well.

What isn’t clear to me is where Delta wants to be. Is it hoping to get back to the more expensive but more reliable operation it had? Or is it ok being a little lower down the list if it saves the airline some money? Now that Delta has built a brand on operational excellence, it probably has a more complicated decision than others might.

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87 responses to “Delta’s Operation Ain’t What It Used to Be”

  1. 1990 Avatar
    1990

    *TD meltdown in 3, 2, 1…*

    (For real, hope they can sort this out, fast, because it’s no bueno. Reliability matters. Wish we had an EU-261-equivalent, so affected passengers would be compensated for the operational failures. Good incentive to ‘fix’ it, too.)

    1. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
      Angry Bob Crandall

      This ought to be good! I have the popcorn popped and my drink poured. Can’t wait for the “Baghdad Bob” of Delta to start his PR blitz!

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Bob, I just received the official bulletin… “STATEMENT FROM THE MINISTRY OF DELTA INFALLIBILITY: Greetings, oh faithful citizens of the Delta! There are no cancellations! Our aircraft are not grounded; they are resting majestically on the tarmac in supreme, premium perfection! Anyone who says otherwise will be banned from the Sky Club forever! Our victory over United is absolute!” -TD, in the bunker under ATL.

        1. MaxPower Avatar
          MaxPower

          “The book is. not. about. Jackson!” (Claps hands loudly while saying it…)

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            “The article is. not. about. Delta’s. failures!” (burps loudly…)

            1. SEAN Avatar
              SEAN

              After slipping into the nearest newsstand under the cover of darkness from his secret bunker, a voice comes over the PA… “Tim Dunn, white courtesy phone.”

            2. Bill from DC Avatar
              Bill from DC

              give me Ham on five, hold the Mayo!

    2. Jon H Avatar
      Jon H

      There was a moment about a year ago where Brett jumped in to squash these comments. Don’t turn this into the OMAAT blog where 50% of the comments are of this type. It adds no value. Find something better to say.

      1. Brett Avatar

        Thank you, Jon H. I absolutely can’t stand comments that just invite conversation from some unwelcome commenters. It serves no purpose at all, and it is not what I want to foster. I haven’t banned these comments because they aren’t personal attacks, but I would ask everyone to stop posting this kind of thing. If you aren’t contributing to a discussion, don’t contribute.

        1. Patrick Avatar
          Patrick

          I actually find Mr. Dunn’s comments and the reactions that they draw entertaining and at times humorous. As long as they don’t turn nasty I don’t have a problem with the posts.

          1. Brett Avatar

            Patrick – That’s not what this is in response to. This is in response to people trying to bait him. The best plan is to ignore him if you have a problem with him, and that’s what I do. But there is no reason to try to drag him in to participate. It adds no value.

            1. Lea Lane Avatar
              Lea Lane

              “The best plan is to ignore him”……

              Wouldn’t it be great if your web site actually HAD an ignore setting like many of the other web sites that I frequent?

      2. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Oh no, I genuinely admire Tim’s passion, and consider his contributions to be an asset here and elsewhere, in-part because of his persistence for Delta, and also because he actively engages with others. The lively debate and banter is a source of joy, not contempt, from my part. (Sorry, for any distraction, Brett.)

  2. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    I think your last paragraph is the key point. Somewhere in Delta there will be an internal standard for these metrics which will be one of: be the outright best; be in the top quartile; beat the median. (Other, lower, targets are available but I have discounted them.) From your data, I sense it has likely switched from the first to the last of these in the past couple of years and would guess it is tracking things like Net Promoter Scores to see whether it can get away with it.

  3. Southside Emil Avatar
    Southside Emil

    It’s more than what has been written. Many of the newer FA’s don’t provide the level of service and friendliness that the more experienced FA’s provide (except for many dragons on their trans-Atlantic routes). ATL service is bad. Food quality reduced. And so on and so on. My company and I moved last year away from the “Delta service”. Getting to our destinations just as quickly but without spending a fortune.

    I blame this on Ed’s shenanigan’s a few years back.

  4. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    A lot of what we’re seeing are second order effects of decisions made during COVID. The rush to cut as many people as possible might’ve made sense at the time (hindsight’s 20/20), but it has had massive ramifications across every department. The airline’s focus on being a lifestyle brand instead of a transportation company hasn’t helped, either. Original fonts and cachet are great until you can’t get where you need to go when you want to. Lastly, the IT is ancient. I’m mindful the fix isn’t cheap, but neither is an operation left vulnerable.

    1. NYC Former DAL Fan Avatar
      NYC Former DAL Fan

      They should have been looking at SWA’s IT crap and taken notes. No excuses.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        It should be noted that Southwest is now generating the lowest cancelation rates among the Big Four but it also has a much smaller presence in the Northeast, at least north of Baltimore. Southwest’s on Time percentages are at the lower end of the Big 4 so they are trading lower cancelations for poorer on time

  5. Chet the Old Eastern Airlines Mechanic Avatar
    Chet the Old Eastern Airlines Mechanic

    Delta places decals on the exterior of its aircraft near the boarding doors to celebrate major corporate awards and customer satisfaction milestones. These visual “badges of honor” typically display logos from organizations like J.D. Power or Fortune that recognize the airline for service excellence. Now that their service hassles gone down the toilet are they going to do the honorable thing and replace those stickers with “We are #5” or “Our Service Sucks”?

  6. Tom Gold Avatar
    Tom Gold

    I have experienced significant disruption recently on Delta flights based on lack of crew availability, in one case due to weather the day before, and in another due to crew time outs. In one instance this resulted in an overnight stay on a bench at LGA, and in another (where the pilots were there but flight attendants were not and the equipment was ferried to my destination of BOS) resulting in a 12 hour delay at CVG. Not to get too much into the weeds, but when I complained to Delta they said these delays were weather related. Well, maybe initially. But, gosh, weather is a known factor in airline operations, isn’t it? There has to be some plan (other than extreme inconvenience to passengers) to recover from it. For my 12 hours in CVG, they offered me a pathetic $50 flight coupon. Sometimes there is no real choice out of BOS but to fly DL. However, given their performance and their price gouging on captive routes I think Delta avoidance is a good life goal.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      you are fortunate to have B6 on many of the same routes. not that they are an operational stalwart but choice is very appealing to the majority of us who are held hostage by fortress hubs.

      1. Tom Gold Avatar
        Tom Gold

        Yes, I like B6 until I don’t :)

        1. Bill from DC Avatar
          Bill from DC

          you’d like them more if your home airport was dominated by AmericAAn’t!

  7. NedsKid Avatar
    NedsKid

    This is always the problem when a company believes its own hubris and goes aggressive with using things like on time performance to denigrate competitors…. because then this happens.

    I have to agree with Spirit’s strategy during its operational turnaround under Bob Fornaro. They didn’t want to be the best – that’s very expensive to pull off doing things like having a lower pay to block (meaning more crews underutilized in case they are needed for IROP) or padding block time. Their goal was to be middle of the pack. You don’t want to be last as that gets you lots of free media attention in a bad way. Being square in the middle is affordable and sustainable.

    Delta lost a lot of good operational and service people during Covid buy-outs and retirement incentives. Delta corporate is a much different place than it was a decade ago. You have dispatchers who can’t get to work on time because there is nowhere to park since the Delta Museum is rented out for some mayoral victory celebration. Corp comm wants to clear the name/background of anybody allowed in to take a tour and often will ask a guarantee of a positive social media post as the ticket to entry. You can look up Delta corp folks on Instagram and see endless reels of playing pickleball during work or the whole office shutting down to have a 1 year anniversary party for an employee complete with catering or popcorn day in the customer relations department or whatever. Delta has turn into an airline run for social media.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      DL payroll has bloated to over 100k, but they are still short on pilots? Something isn’t adding up; the fleet hasn’t grown that much

      As someone who also has tangential connection to DL corporate, it’s gotten cushy there and IMO it reflects in the current operational reality. No management turnover at both top and middle levels, no layoffs to stoke fear (the 2023 thing was a tiny blip)… where is the urgency? Where is the rallying cry to get things in order?

      1. Eric R Avatar
        Eric R

        Just to add, when you start paying pilots crazy amounts of money, it reduces the desire of pilots to pick up extra flying hours. This applies to all of the Big 4 airlines.

      2. Brett Avatar

        See_Bee – As noted in the post, pilots demand hours are up 4.2% according to the union but the actual number of pilots declined in 2025. So that’s the issue. And to clarify what that 4.2% means, it’s when they look at number of pilot block hours. So if you had a long-haul flight, it means you need more than 2 pilots so the actual pilot demand hours go up. I have no way of verifying this myself, but I don’t see why they’d lie.

        Meanwhile, layoffs — they’ve pretty regularly been doing reductions at Delta. Doesn’t mean they are doing enough, I don’t know, but they are doing that.

        1. NedsKid Avatar
          NedsKid

          They will do layoffs… then another department hires.

          1. See_Bee Avatar
            See_Bee

            ^^yup, this

    2. Kevin Avatar
      Kevin

      @NedsKid–

      Nailed it. Taken in isolation, those examples might not mean a whole lot, but they’re each symptomatic of a much larger issue sweeping through the company.

    3. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      Its a tradeoff between schedule resiliency and cost. Delta managemenr thought it could do better, and will adjust as needed.

  8. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    This topic has received a lot of industry press but it really has not been a significant story outside of aviation blogging.

    first, the DOT measures domestic on time and cancelation rates among other metrics. And they only measure domestic flights so that is the only data that matters. The DOT measures mainline and regional carrier statistics but They do not accept that one is more important than the other or that it is OK to cancel regional jet services in order to keep mainline operating which is what some carriers do.

    Second, All of these metrics only matter within the context of the competition. No company invests in its product at a significantly greater rate then what is competitively necessary. There was undoubtedly a period where Delta ran an excessively reliable operation and it really wasn’t necessary competitively.

    Third, Delta is still the most on time US airline other than Hawaiian and Alaska has inherited that ranking now that they have merged statistics. Delta was number two in on time for 2025 and is through May of the this year.

    Delta’s operational issue has been about completion factor and it has almost entirely been related to Delta’s pilot staffing formula. You can tell from the statistics above that Delta pilots were dropping their bid lines and then picked up flights at premium pay at a much faster rate than the growth of the airline. With the very lucrative post covid pilot contract, Delta was counting on a certain amount of premium paying to cover flying especially during peak periods and IROPS but that amount of premium pay far exceeded their expectations and budget.

    Delta has put in place strategies to limit the ability of some pilots to Drop their bid trips and pick up premium flying. Their expectation is that pilot labor expense will fall which will allow them to hire more pilots and to have rates of premium pay that are in line with AA, UA and WN.

    DL said that returning to a leadership position in completion rate performance would take until later this year but they are already seeing improvements in their completion rate. And let’s be clear that the difference competitively amounts to about 1 percent compared to the best competitors

    1. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
      Angry Bob Crandall

      Tim,
      Delta’s service has gone way down. Its planes are no longer the cleanest, their in-air service has been reduced to many of its competitors, and in some cases below them, etc, etc. Delta lost a lot of loyal customers, including me because instead of focusing on me and my needs, they drank their own hype and expected all of us to follow.

      1. SEAN Avatar
        SEAN

        Same for WDW & Las Vegas. Go premium, charge as such & degrade the product while assuming the public has no other choices.

      2. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        That may or may not be true Bob but this article is about operational reliability. On that basis, Delta is not blowing away the competition operationally like it used to but it is still in the upper tier of its competitive set when all DOT metrics are considered.

        as for pricing strength, it comes down to offering a product and service that people are willing to pay for and Delta has demonstrated it has the ability to do that.

        DL certainly dominates its markets to a greater extent than its competitors and that produces pricing strength. It also carries more corporate traffic than any other US airline and the combination of those two gives it the strongest loyalty and credit Card Co brand program.

        DL still is at the upper tier of customer satisfaction among US legacy airlines. Southwest often has better customer service metrics but they obviously have a much less complex network and ratings will probably change as their service changes

        1. Andy Avatar
          Andy

          Lets do some translation of TD:
          “That may or may not be true Bob” – It is true
          “Delta is not blowing away the competition operationally” – Delta’s operation now sucks
          “when all DOT metrics are considered” – when you look at metrics that no one cares about like bags lost on tuesdays on flights from Atlanta to Columbus.
          “it comes down to offering a product and service that people are willing to pay for” – It comes down to what Delta can make people believe about their product and service
          “DL certainly dominates its markets to a greater extent than its competitors” – Delta acts anti-competitively and has not been called on it because they are HQ’d in a swing state so no party wins by calling it.
          “those two gives it the strongest loyalty and credit Card Co brand program” – they have a co-brand deal with a partner with stronger economics that allows them to be paid more, it has nothing to do with their actual flying.
          “DL still is at the upper tier of customer satisfaction among US legacy airlines” – DL no longer leads in customer satisfaction because they have rested on their laurels and everyone else has been catching up.
          “Southwest often has better customer service metrics” – It does, this is true
          “they obviously have a much less complex network” – I needed an excuse to make Delta seem better somehow

    2. Andy Avatar
      Andy

      Cool story bro, so why do they charge an arm and a leg to not be the best operational airline in the US?

      Tim the twists and turns you make to always paint Delta in a good light always make me laugh. Here you basically blame the pilots (who are the company) and their incentives/pay structures (decided by them and management). So who’s bad here? Poor management and selfish pilots. Why does a company with poor management deserve to charge a premium Tim?

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        The second quarter earnings season starts this week. We’ll find out if these operational issues show up in the bottom line but I seriously doubt that they will and analysts aren’t expecting it.

        That doesn’t change that Delta wants to get back to a much more reliable operation but let’s also not mistake, as badly as you want to believe otherwise, that Delta still has the best operation among the big three. No, it is not perfect but no airline that operates thousands of flights per day is going to have a perfect operation.

        It is obviously management’s job to run the business. This would appear to be a case of Labor and management both agreeing to something that they did not understand all of the impacts. Indications are that both sides are working together to improve the operation within the confines of the contract. Delta has a far better history of Labor relations than any other of the remaining legacy airlines.
        Delta reportedly was interested in opening contract talks early but has apparently changed their mind given that the operation is stabilizing based on the actions the company took. There are a handful of people in leadership for the company and for ALPA who know everything that is going on.

        Let’s also be clear that a percent difference in cancelation rates for even a couple of months is not going to move the industry competitively. It just won’t. I’m sorry if you’re disappointed to hear that. What will matter is how the big 4 each manage to grow and position themselves competitively not only relative to each other but to whatever remaining airlines the US has.

        We can revisit this discussion in a few years but I am pretty certain that Delta will make more inroads in United territory more than the other way around. And that is likely what you don’t want to hear

    3. 1990 Avatar
      1990

      I donno, Tim… Sure feels like the Wizard of Oz… “Don’t look at the (melting operation) behind the curtain!” Look at Delta’s loyalty credit card co-brand program strength and its strategic focus on United…

  9. George from Long Island Avatar
    George from Long Island

    I used to work for TWA and Delta is no TWA!

    1. 1990 Avatar
      1990

      When it was ‘Trans World Airlines,’ or ‘Transcontinental & Western Air’?

      1. George from Long Island Avatar
        George from Long Island

        Trans World!!

        1. 1990 Avatar
          1990

          I’m not so sure an airline called “Trans World” would even survive in 2020s America… *gulp*

          1. SEAN Avatar
            SEAN

            Perhaps Trans-American?

            1. 1990 Avatar
              1990

              *gets sued by Pontiac*

      2. JB14-Hrbek Avatar
        JB14-Hrbek

        Teenie Weenie Airlines or Try Walking Across?

        1. ChuckMO Avatar
          ChuckMO

          Tires Without Air.

          Having said that, I loved me some TWA.

          1. LT_DT Avatar
            LT_DT

            We flew it once a year when I was a kid, from Europe to STL and back for summer vacation. I don’t remember any major issues but my mom, to this day, still refers to it as The Worst Airline.

  10. anon Avatar
    anon

    CF – when you show a photo with near white colour throughout (eg a graph) as the lead image, and the caption is in white text, it renders in some browsers as white text on an almost completely white image – ie invisible writing. Would it be possible to change the colour scheme or layout to make it easier to read the article’s title before clicking on the link ?

    1. Brett Avatar

      anon – I certainly would but I don’t have any captions in white text. You have an example? I don’t see anything in white text.

      1. Anon Avatar
        Anon

        When I open crankyflier.com, the title “Delta’s Operations ain’t what they used to be” appears in white text, over a (nearly completely) white graph image… which results in (almost) invisible text.
        I’m using Firefox on an Android phone if that helps. This issue occurs every time you put a graph as the leading image for an article – this is not the only time.

        1. Brett Avatar

          Oh I see, you’re talking about on the homepage, got it. Easiest thing in the short run is to scroll down where all the posts are listed and clearly readable. But I’ll take a look when I get time.

  11. See_Bee Avatar
    See_Bee

    If I didn’t live in a DL-captive hub, I’d be willing to try UA at this point. I’ve noticed DL’s operation has declined post-COVID and would consider trying something new

    Gil West and Richard were core operators – they built that reputation. They loved to tout “cancelling cancellations” and “keeping our backpacks on.” The leaders post-COVID seem distracted with shiny objects. Who is running Network now? Glen is gone and Joe has gotten more and more responsibility added to his plate that scheduling is less of a focus. The COO chair has been a revolving door

    Cranky – an interesting follow-up analysis would pulling scheduled block times for a ~dozen routes pre vs post-COVID to test if this is true

    1. NedsKid Avatar
      NedsKid

      I feel like Delta has believed its own hype to the point it almost has felt it could do no wrong (at least on a corporate level) and had its eye off the ball as other circumstances changed or matured like various airport conditions, pilot scheduling, fleet delays like 321neo, competitive landscape, etc. They could get back to where they were (though arguably through most airlines having improved in the last few years, the variance between top and mid isn’t as big) but I sometimes question if they have the brainpower to do it.

      Anecdotally, when you have a SVP with a background in statistical analysis overseeing the operations control center and trusting stats based on past history of how winter events impact ATL versus the meteorologists and 30-year experienced dispatchers who say it’s gonna be a mess…. well, you signed up for failure.

    2. Chris Avatar
      Chris

      I’m a long time UA flyer (1K or GS for almost two decades) and I have to say, their operation anecdotally seems to be running better than ever. Yes, there are weather disruptions, etc., but it seems like UA has finally gotten their act together. Effectively, they are performing like late 90s/early 2000s AA while AA is performing like early 2000s UA.

    3. Arubaman Avatar
      Arubaman

      Perhaps SWA’s Andrew Watterson can fill the Delta COO position adequately. However, as everyone conveniently forgets, he was responsible for the Southwest Christmas Meltdown, by far the worst operational disruption in industry history.

      1. Brett Avatar

        Arubaman – Conveniently forgets? Andrew took over 2 months before that meltdown and wasn’t in the operation at all before that. That was all on previous COO Mike van de Ven failing to modernize. Since then, they have remade that operation and haven’t had even a blip remotely like that. Pretty unfair to blame that on the new guy.

        1. Arubaman Avatar
          Arubaman

          Respectfully, if Mr. Watterson was not the responsible party, then why did Mr. Jordan task him with testifying on the debacle before Congress? This despite Mr. Jordan being in Baltimore the night before. In addition, the Pilot Union was publicly warning of (another) meltdown for months prior and certainly Leadership was aware of it. Yes, Mr. Watterson helped to clean it up, but i do not recollect him saying his #1, top priority was to fix IT when he took the COO position. Let’s not forget he joined Southwest in 2013 and the company experienced multiple, ever-worsening meltdowns during his first 10 years. I’m sorry, but I decline your “deer-in-the-headlights” defense. Kick me off if you have to.

          1. Brett Avatar

            Arubaman – What’s with the drama? Why would I kick you off for disagreeing with me? I only kick people off if they level personal attacks on others but thoughtful disagreement is always welcome.

            Bob sent Andrew to do the dirty work, because he was COO at the time. What’s he gonna do? Send the former COO to go testify? Nah, optics don’t allow that. And Bob was too afraid to do it himself, which was a concerning move at the time. I have no idea if Andrew said his top priority was to fix IT, but it was more than that. The operation needed severe modernization, and they did it. The idea that he somehow could have prevented that mess from happening after two months on the job is just not realistic. And while Andrew had been at the airline for years, he wasn’t in the operation. What’s he supposed to do? Tell Mike to move over and stop doing dumb things? That’s just not how it works.

    4. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      If you think Delta has schedule reliability issues, fly United out of EWR over the last three years:)

  12. Deltasucks Avatar
    Deltasucks

    Recently flew ICN-SLC, the Slat Lake based flight attendants were the worse that I’ve experienced… worse than any American or Spirit flights I’ve ever been on. So, yes Delta is slipping…

  13. Patrick Cleary Avatar
    Patrick Cleary

    Apropos timing Cranky. Anecdotally it’s seemed like DL is running harder and yet less focused in the past couple of years.

    I had a 630 flight (regional operated) on DL this morning; this flight kicked off a day trip of business travel. When I went to bed, the DL app confirmed the inboard plane had landed. Imagine my surprise when I woke up and found out the flight was delayed 365 minutes because of crew issues. While it’s not directly DL on regional crews, presumably DL knew yesterday that the regional crew was not there/timed out. I got lucky and made a 535 DL mainline flight, but that’s only because of status and living near the airport. Shudder to think what a non experienced flyer would do.

    1. NedsKid Avatar
      NedsKid

      I had to laugh because I’ve recently used this line but with American…. “If this is how bad it is as a oneworld Emerald, it must really suck to be zero status and fly you.”

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        yes, Nedskid, it really does suck to be me! but when the most convenient major airport in the US is 12 minutes from my front door (sometimes), I’ll put up with it.

        unfortunately they (airlines in general) are very aware of that which, sadly and obviously, explains much of their strategy.

  14. George Romey Avatar
    George Romey

    Like many companies the C suite falls in the love with the idea of being a lifestyle brand, a “change for social good” and the darling of Tik Tok. That’s far more easier to carry out than actually run the basics of the business. That strategy also means hiring a bunch of useless people doing useless stuff (like babbling on about DEI) that do nothing to improve or enhance the actual business. Then everyone wonders what went wrong.

  15. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    only a few hours into comments and already many are saying that Delta is focusing too much on fluff (social media, PR, Tom Brady) and not enough on running an airline. of course this is all anecdotal but after a while it becomes a trend.

    my recent experiences pertain to delayed flights on back to back weeks, one on United at IAD and one on Delta at (where else but) ATL.

    the communications from United were informative, timely and, most importantly, accurate.

    Delta’s updates were sporadic, lagged behind what I found on sources like flightradar, and inaccurate bordering on misleading. when the reason for the delay changes 3 times in 4 hours (including 2 gate changes), it feels someone in ops is just using a magic 8 ball to randomly select from mechanical, weather, crew availability, etc. the cherry on top was being offered NOTHING as compensation for ruining over half a day of my scheduled itinerary at my destination.

    when factoring in all the little things over the past year or so, my anecdata has DL a lot closer to AmericAAn’t than they are to United.

    1. Hov Avatar
      Hov

      Bill your comment captures what I think is most important. Every single airline will have IRROPS. It’s just part of running an airline. What separates the airlines and builds loyalty isn’t having perfect ops, but how the irrops is responded to. I became so frustrated with AA over the last 2 years that I status matched with United. A couple weeks ago when my UA flight was going to be delayed 12 hours, I received a text with several hours notice, giving me time to rebook. The app gave me some options but I also called the rep – and a human answered within 2 minutes. I ended up getting to my destination an hour earlier on an alternate itinerary.

      UA has earned my trust and loyalty for that reason – their response to IRROPS is far and away industry best in US in my opinion. I hope they continue to prioritize that because for the informed flyer like me, there is no better travel insurance than an airline showing they give a damn and will fix your issue without sending you into a 4 hour long line.

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        They’ve really gone next level with their customer facing IT and I think that has a lot to do with their IRROPS responses.

  16. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Moving to the median in reliability seems to be a deliberate strategy choice as a component of a top to bottom cost savings problem to drive more margin. Delta’s revenue premium and loyalty from me at least were built on superior reliability above all else. It was impressive and many times I would say – wow – they are really trying! More recently, they probably made an assumption that they could trade off some of this reliability strength because brand equity is so much stronger than years ago. However, loyals that fly all the time notice all the little service cuts, late/missed connections, cancellations. So I would think whatever measures they use to assess brand strength with loyals is declining, but they are not seeing a significant trade off bookings so net, they see these moves as a success. At some point, when the foundation doesn’t hold as well, it will catch up – declining revenue premium, loyal exits to other airlines. I want the reliability back, because I need it. But I think I’ve realized this is the reality and the prior approach is not coming back, so stop looking for it.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      You have to imagine DL executives (and perhaps the BoD) are paranoid (aka incentivized) about UA and the threat on their industry leading margins. Why would DL pull some of these levers that stress the operation unless they boost short-term margin?

      The chickens always come home to roost; customers figure it out eventually and it will bite them in the (financial) butt

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        The strength that Cranky brings to the discussion is using data.

        Actual data shows that DL might be not as aggressive in overblocking flights as they once were but their on-time ranking is essentially unchanged at the top of the industry. Delta has clearly suffered in mainline completion ratio but that is related to their pilot premium pay practices and their assumptions about what pilots would pick up vs. what they flew as bid lines; the baseline clearly changed post covid. DL is making its own moves – that alot of pilots don’t like but which are contractually permissible – to reduce the amount of bid trip dropping and premium flying pickup. Data says that the difference has never been more than about a percent and DL is moving in the right direction from the winter.

        All of the rest of the commentary is not supported by actual facts and data.
        United is running a better operation but on an aggregate level DL is still leading the big 3 in aggregate operational metrics.

        If there is anything between DL and UA, it is that both have succeeded esp. post covid by feeding off of other carriers’ problems and not directly targeting each other and it is DL now that is shifting its competitive focus to UA. That shift in competitive focus, which is unanswered by United at this point, is far more significant competitively than a difference of 1% in cancellation rates – which is very likely to continue to improve

        1. See_Bee Avatar
          See_Bee

          I don’t refute the data and encourage it when possible. My point is that customer perception & brand reputation impacts are lagging indicators. It’s a slippery slope that DL is playing with by tinkering with the operation (be it block time or pilot premium pay). They risk giving up their revenue premiums

          If a frequent DL flier such as myself has noticed changes post-COVID, surely others have as well. If they have viable alternatives, they might start to explore them. I would if I wasn’t held captive in a DL hub

          1. Tim Dunn Avatar
            Tim Dunn

            We will know on Friday if Delta continues to generate industry-leading financial performance. It will take another couple weeks before other carriers report and we know if Delta really still has a premium.

            Delta says it is committed to fixing the operation and there is no reason to believe that won’t happen. From a competitive standpoint, there might be more than one high performing US airline and that is not a bad thing but it doesn’t mean that Delta won’t maintain revenue premiums that have been related in part to its operational reliability.

            The bigger factors for Deltas revenue premium are its dominance of its hubs and it’s non transportation revenue including MRO and Amex revenue

            Given that all US airlines are facing a slowing domestic market and increasing competition around premium products, the real defining factors that will shape revenue growth is expansion of networks. Delta’s willingness to take on United appears directly related to its intention to grow revenues and with it revenue premiums that come with size

            1. Eddie Wolf Avatar
              Eddie Wolf

              Data doesn’t provide quality service, clean airplanes or affordable airfares. That’s called managing the customer, not treating them like they’re pieces of crap.

  17. Stefan Krasowski (@rapidtravelchai) Avatar

    Every time I sit in F and see the better snack basket whisked past me to C+ I am reminded of what Delta has operationally become. The spring in the step left the building around about when Gil West departed and that interregnum COO amusement park guy it wasn’t clear he ever showed up to work. They so value operations that how long did the CEO whose primary focus is getting fawning media coverage for himself add COO to his job titles?

  18. David C Avatar
    David C

    The Big 4 all seem to struggle more and more.
    United can only survive so long in customer satisfaction and IRROPS handling with ORD tird around their neck.
    Onboard, the product is not bad. Feels like Skywest drags them down operationally.

    Only Delta experience I had was LAS to MSP in Feb in first…abysmal ‘meal’ and mediocre onboard service. Can’t rate an entire airline on a single flight.

    American, after United is my next carrier…they just can’t handle irrops, and they work in major storm prone hubs. The service failure rate with ontime or even completed flights this year has been 50% at best for me.

    Why go to Vegas when the real gamble is paying good money to any carrier to get you where you are going?

    It’s not just Delta.

  19. Michael K Avatar
    Michael K

    Great piece here Brett. Would love to know more about Deltas “fleet health” issues. Is it fleet age catching up with them? Deferred maintenance? Running old 717’s and 757s catching up with them? They continue to charge higher prices (BOS-ATL) for example, and punish those looking for cheaper seats by not letting them pick a seat until you are at the gate or allowing passengers to accumulate mileage points in those lesser seats…..”hey were number one so were going to charge more and you’ll like it.” Even the food seems to have declined – smaller portions and thinner cuts of meat etc in first class over the past year, yet nosebleed pricing continues. Recent example: $2,200 round trip first class BOS to ATL. I mean come on folks.

    Hate to fly AA or Jet Blue but due to higher ticket costs that’s where I’m headed. Pricing seems excessive now and if operations arent keeping up, why fly Delta?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Michael – I wish I knew more about it, but I don’t. Here’s what the letter from the COO said:
      “Ensuring line maintenance teams are appropriately staffed, have an adequate amount of touch time overnight, the right parts and a tailored maintenance program to improve fleet health across narrowbody and widebody fleet types.

      “Additionally, TechOps teams are working with Airbus to address specific action items for widebody fleet health.

      “We’ve increased staffing for line maintenance, hiring more than 300 technicians ahead of summer.”

      1. Michael K Avatar
        Michael K

        Thanks Brett. The DAL COO mentioning they are working with Airbus as it relates to widebody fleet health…..interesting.

  20. lavidaloca Avatar
    lavidaloca

    The idea that Delta (or any US carrier for that matter) is a premium brand, offering a premium-focused service is absurd. The airline has 26 different business class seats, some very old planes mixed into a fleet of newer jets, and has succeeded in driving profits higher by fooling the dumb American traveller that is tricked into paying into the halo effect Delta created for itself. An airline with 1,000 planes and complicated hubs is not going to be able to deliver stellar performance.

    1. Lea Lane Avatar
      Lea Lane

      Delta is the Wegman’s Supermarkets of Airlines. Lots of self promotion and patting themselves on the back for their “premium” brand experience. I’m surprised that Delta hasn’t co-opted Wegman’s “Food you feel good about” marketing BS with something similar.

  21. TDF Avatar
    TDF

    I fly United, but at times have to use Delta to fly down south. The operation has slipped the past couple of years.

  22. Scott Avatar
    Scott

    Is this for the entire operation, or is there a large *ah hem* delta between mainline and Delta connection? Put differently, is the lack of pilot availability impacting the operations more, less or equally than the impacts on mainlines ops.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Scott – Good questions. Here are the completion factors for the first six months of this year by airline:

      SkyWest 98.67%
      Mainline 97.96%
      Endeavor 96.45%
      Republic 95.42%

      For A14 arrivals within 14 minutes of schedule:

      SkyWest 81.92%
      Mainline 79.99%
      Republic 76.47%
      Endeavor 74.24%

      Republic almost exclusively flies in the Northeast, so it’s not a surprise to see that be lower overall, but basically, SkyWest is fine and the rest are not.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        Endeavor also has significant operations at NYC’s airports including LGA which consistently is one of the lowest performing airports in on-time and where cancellations have to start just about as soon as ATC delays are initiated.

        According to the DOT, average US domestic airline on-time for the first five months (vs. six as you noted) was 76.8%.

        1. David C Avatar
          David C

          That 76.8% would have been a ‘D’ on a report card in my high grade/high school.

          I wonder if there is a metric available where people don’t make it to their destination on the day that transport was purchased for? e. g. Ticket on sept 12 from TYS to LAS but misconnect in ORD resulted in not getting to Vegas until Sept 13?

          I want the airline most likely to get me to my destination on the day I intended to travel.

          1. Tim Dunn Avatar
            Tim Dunn

            David,
            I agree with you that a 76.8% national on-time for the US is not great – but the top 3 carriers, in order, were AS, DL, and UA and all 3 were above average.
            WN was right at the US average for the first 5 months with the rest of the industry below average

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