Southwest Quietly Blows Up Its Succession Plan


In what is probably a dramatic understatement, Southwest has faced a great deal of change over the last couple of years. I don’t need to rehash all the gory details, but this is an airline that has felt like it has been in transition since Gary Kelly stepped down as CEO in 2022 and Bob Jordan took over. Bob has always felt like a caretaker meant to transition from the old guard to the new, but now, the airline has quietly blown up any sense that there is an actual transition plan. I find the timing of all this quite odd.

This cryptic statement full of nonsensical corporate speak was published on Southwest’s SWAmedia website late last week, but it wasn’t widely distributed. In it, Southwest said three things would change in the airline’s upper ranks:

  • Andrew Watterson, Chief Operating Officer who has also been in charge of the airline’s commercial functions again since 2024, will now just be in charge of the operation as COO
  • Justin Jones, EVP Operations who was reporting to Andrew, is now being moved to the other side of the house as Chief Commercial Officer and will report directly to Bob
  • Tony Roach, Chief Customer and Brand Officer who was reporting to Andrew, is now being given the HR (“People”) department in addition to his current roles and will report directly to Bob

The stated rationale for these changes makes no sense at all. This is the top-line quote from Bob:

These changes position us to move forward with greater clarity, stronger execution, and deeper connection across our Company

Except that the changes muddle clarity and create less connection across the company.

See, before this, Andrew was in charge of the operational and commercial groups. They made a point of connecting the dots very closely between the two sides after having so many operational failures leading up to the biggest failure of them all, Winter Storm Elliott.

Just before the storm hit, the airline had turned over control of the operation to Andrew when Mike Van de Ven was pushed out, and the storm was quite a goodbye gift from Mike. It showed the vulnerability of an operation that hadn’t kept up with the times or with Southwest’s growth. There was a lot of work to do.

One of the early changes before the entire commercial team moved back over to Andrew was uniting the network team and the operation under former network boss Adam Decaire. He was named SVP Network Planning and Network Operation Control, cementing the link between the schedule and the operation to make things run more smoothly. And you know what? It worked. Southwest’s operation has been dramatically improving since that time.

The airline’s revenue performance has skyrocketed as well. In its presentation at the JP Morgan Industrials conference in March, Southwest said its revenue initiatives had been so successful that its 2026 forecast was for an increase in contribution of those initiatives from $2.6 billion to $4.3 billion. Let’s not forget that these were massive initiatives ranging from basic economy to assigned seating, extra legroom, and bag fees. All were done on-time and have overdelivered.

On top of all this, Southwest was one of the clear winners in Q1 2026, as I wrote less than a month ago. And its Q2 guidance says unit revenue performance will be up 16.5 to 18.5 percent vs the year before. With things going well on all fronts, the airline’s shares started moving up in December 2025 for the first time in three years, and the share price is now about 20 percent above where it was at this time last year. It would be higher — and in fact, it was higher — if not for the Iran War-induced high fuel prices.

The signs remained positive even as recently as a week ago when Bob spoke at the Bernstein conference. He said that demand trends continue to see no sign of weakening, and “I’m becoming increasingly bullish that we will be able to cover these fuel increases with revenue increases.” That means revenue performance is likely even better than guidance, if I’m reading the tea leaves right. It sounds like sunshine and rainbows.

But in recent weeks, Bob has been dismantling the organization that got Southwest to this point. Adam Decaire, the man who united operations and network to help produce these results, has quietly “retired” from the company. I’ve heard that he wasn’t the only one. Now we have a further dismantling of Andrew’s team and reduction of his responsibilities.

Before activist investor Elliott showed up, Andrew looked to be on track to succeed Bob as CEO. But then, the board turned over and things became murky. Southwest brought in CFO Tom Doxey who was largely seen as a potential successor as well. But in this announcement, it looks like neither will be getting that job.

This is not to say that Justin and Tony don’t deserve promotions, though it is a headscratcher to see Justin taken away from the operation he has done such a great job with and thrust into the commercial side.

The natural progression should be for someone to rise into the President role as Bob thinks about his future retirement. Andrew was already largely doing that role before, so if they had confidence in him, he would have been given the title while Tony and Justin continued to grow their responsibilities and titles and report to him. That didn’t happen. And if Tom was ready to step into that role, you’d think he would have been given more responsibility, but his name was nowhere to be found in this reorg anywhere. Instead, Bob has just given himself more power and broken up the group that had already been doing such solid work.

I say Bob gave himself more power, but it likely isn’t just coming from him. Choosing his successor isn’t directly his job anyway. That’s the board’s job. So it’s safe to assume they had a hand in this plan in some way. The question is… how much of a hand did they have?

Remember, the two most active airline management board members that came in from Elliott have already stepped down — Gregg Saretsky and David Cush — and it’s likely someone with airline experience that would be guiding Bob, if anyone is doing it. In fact, there are now only two board members who have airline management experience both added just before Elliott. That’s Bob Fornaro and the notoriously-difficult Rakesh Gangwal. If I had to pick between those two, my money would be on Rakesh trying to tinker and mess things up. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Bob is spearheading this on his own. Either way, it seems very short-sighted.

We now have an airline firing on all cylinders, finally done with its big transition work… but there isn’t stable management to guide what’s next. How strange.

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51 responses to “Southwest Quietly Blows Up Its Succession Plan”

  1. sugarconedaddy Avatar
    sugarconedaddy

    The future of Southwest (WN) exists in the arms of one of the US3 and the only logical merger partner for it will be Delta. It will solve Delta’s Texas problem, boosting it at AUS and giving it a major foothold in the Dallas Metroplex. WN will give Delta the ability to be a more relevant, yet still distant third in the Chicagoland market, bolster its BNA presence, and further its strength on the West Coast and the Desert Southwest. The amount of divestitures would be fairly minimal, principally LGA and LAX.

    Southwest as it exists today is neither here nor there. It is not the LCC it was founded as. It is too parochial to be a global carrier. It is stymied by its own existing business model and footprint.

    As to the rest of the industry, consolidation is coming. B6 will file for bankruptcy, and its assets sold off, with American and United likely getting the spoils (AA would get JFK, BOS assets, while UA would get MCO, FLL and realize its dream of a Florida footprint of significance).

    Down the road, AS would merge with AA, and the AS management team would take over.

    United will buy whatever is left of Frontier (planes, DEN operation).

    WN folds into Delta.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      I first thought you were Tim Dunn under another name based on the extreme Delta praise, but now I need to ask… are you high?

      1. Southside Emil Avatar
        Southside Emil

        He must be Tim’s step-brother :-)

        1. Pittsburgh Lou Avatar
          Pittsburgh Lou

          It can’t be Tim. The missive is way too short and there aren’t at least 100 praises to the Delta Gods.

      2. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        You’re not wrong to suspect that. Tim does seem to use multiple aliases on certain sites…

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      Yeah, I gotta second Sean’s question here. Even this administration is unlikely to allow a merger between any of the Big Domestic Four short of one of them winding up in Ch 11.

      That said, your AA/UA scenario for B6 is possible, although I still think it’s more likely that UA just acquires them outright and divests enough of JFK to satsify the feds, which might not be as much as you’d initially think – I don’t think AA really wants to build a full-on connecting hub at JFK after building out PHL, although they’d be open to PTP expansion.

      AS continues to signal they want to remain independent, while linked to AA via OneWorld and codeshares, and I don’t see that changing.

      As for Frontier, with Spirit gone I think they might actually have a chance, as average fares come up somewhat and if the Iran war ends fairly soon. A lot of things, some of them beyond their control, would have to go right, but it’s more plausible now.

    3. southbay flier Avatar
      southbay flier

      As someone who flies DL a lot, I don’t want to see them buy an airline that only has the world’s worst airplane type in their fleet.

      1. Gino Avatar
        Gino

        Amen. 737’s suck

      2. O'Hare Is My Second Home Avatar
        O’Hare Is My Second Home

        You already shouldn’t be flying the truly Evil Widget because it’s flying the worst type already, Franco-Canadian Spaghetti-Os.

        1. Junior Avatar
          Junior

          A220 rock. Way more than the antiquated 737’s

          1. O'Hare Is My Second Home Avatar
            O’Hare Is My Second Home

            2-3. This isn’t the Sixties and Franco-Canadian Spaghetti-Os is not a DC-9.

        2. southbay flier Avatar
          southbay flier

          If you prefer a 737 over an A220 because there are more seats per row, I’m not sure what else to say.

          Most people like 2-3 more than 3-3.

    4. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      Hard to imagine Delta being that stupid.

    5. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      That was a fun fan-fiction. I wish my imagination was that vivid.

    6. Dartagnan79 Avatar
      Dartagnan79

      Another goofy comment about B6 assets being split/sold . Where is this stunted notion coming from? B6 assets would strategically strengthen as a whole any of the legacy carriers position. Every other airline would merge, but when it comes to B6, everyone is gonna take only a piece of it? Such rubbish, a wholesale would be in the best roic of the shareholders, why would they sell it short? B6 will restructure and the bids for the whole pie will be a bidding bonanza, just wait.

  2. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    I guess Justin was told “different cities, different jobs & none of them show you can handle any real responsibility”

    My first thought was how much did Elliott have over these decisions, but it appears not as much as I believed.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      What a pisser!

    2. FrequentWanderer Avatar
      FrequentWanderer

      no one cares about his war record. that’s ancient history

      :) love Airplane! references

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        the decision is yours!

        kudos to Sean for really sneaking that first one in there, excellent work

  3. Brian W Avatar
    Brian W

    SWA will continue to transition to a full service carrier and leave its LCC roots behind. I expect it to roll out a domestic F product (2×2), continue to shift to a more hub focused network, and opening lounges in its focus cities. I can see it becoming more like Alaska with buying some 787s or A330s/350s and opening up more international routes to complement its large domestic network. Unless SWA is shopped an airline that declares bankruptcy (ie. JetBlue) by the FAA to avoid liquidation, I don’t see the govt allowing further consolidation with SWA. Some senior leader at Delta or United maybe a better fit for the CEO role with the time comes.

    1. Will Avatar
      Will

      Super excited to fly a Southwest 787-8 from Baltimore to Gatwick

  4. Tony L Avatar
    Tony L

    If SWA was smart they wouldn’t bring anyone over from Delta. Ed’s “atmosphere” is to kill customer loyalty, price seats higher than the competitors, take away in-air product, let their planes become dirty again, reduce the friendliness of many of their newer FA’s, etc. I was a 7-year Diamond who finally wised up and is playing the free-agent route. Couldn’t be happier. Thanks Ed.

    1. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      Disagree with your comment. Delta had too many pax with status and its lounges were overwhelmed. With regard to pricing, every airline is trying to maximize revenue for the seat inventory they have to sell. Based on the record revenue all airlines are bringing in, people are willing to pay. If you fly economy, it is a comodity product so you are best to shop around for schedule and price.

  5. Bevvy Avatar
    Bevvy

    Cranky, serious question. Why would an airline tinker with success in one of the most competitive business in the world? It doesn’t make any sense.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Bevvy – Yeah, I mean that’s kind of the question that’s out there right now. Clearly either Bob or the board didn’t like what was going on, or they felt threatened, or something. It could be ego. It could be misguided thinking. It’s really hard to know without being on the inside. But just looking at the numbers from the outside, it seems pretty damn weird.

      1. txjim Avatar
        txjim

        Maybe Andrew will move to United and threaten to buy Southwest

  6. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    This is Just Bad Football When you have a winning Super Bowl team you keep them together and go for the three peat not blow up the team to rebuild.
    Adam had a completely different vision for a more disciplined Southwest. He was a driver behind ORD and MIA type of new growth. He even had a plan to shuffle aircraft retirement timelines to add back more capacity in FLL should Spirit cease operations.
    BOBs Vision is about LH international growth so like a typical WN once you push back against top Brass plans “They Suddenly Retire”.
    Everyone was Hoping BOB would announce his retirement and Andrew Watterson would take over WN in 2027….Turn around success has gone to Bob head in my opinion hopefully he doesn’t screw this up.
    I think Bob talk last week 2027 will see MAX7 2×2 Luv seating and BWI flights to Europe.
    There also talk of WN Buying Norse to spring board them into LH 787 transatlantic service as a short fill gap until they get their own metal and I plan together.

  7. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    regardless of the fixation with DL on this topic, CF is not wrong. This makes very little sense IF WN is really executing well on its plan to transition to a legacy-like carrier. WN has repeatedly slipped in its ability to get revenue up according to its plans.

    By doing these changes right before a holiday weekend, I suspect there are further disappointments coming from WN mgmt and that is why these changes are being made.

    and if you really believe that there will be consolidation in the industry, it is not out of the realm of possibility that WN could combine in whole or in part with DL.
    WN cannot afford to watch its stock tank if their turnaround plan is not working; there will be decisive actions taken in the not too distant future if things don’t look very strong in the summer quarters’ reporting.

    1. Not Tim Dunn Avatar
      Not Tim Dunn

      Booooo nobody wants you here (or any of the other forums). Go get a room with Ed.

  8. Bob Jordan Should "Quietly Retire" Avatar
    Bob Jordan Should “Quietly Retire”

    Let me get this straight–Bob Jordan pulls Andrew Watterson out of Commercial and puts him in charge of Operations to clean up Mike Van de Ven’s mess (and just in time for Winter Storm Elliott). Mike was President and COO before he was “quietly retired.” Andrew becomes COO–no president’s title cuz you have to earn that title, right?

    While Andrew is overseeing Operations, Commercial takes a nose-dive and Elliott Investment steps in. Shortly thereafter Commercial is moved back under Andrew (now overseeing both Operations and Commercial under the title of COO, still no president’s title!?).

    Southwest becomes number one in Operations. Their revenue skyrockets. And….still no president’s title.

    Queue last week’s announcement: instead of being named President, Andrew’s duties are reduced!?

    Absolutely brilliant strategy Bob Jordan, President and CEO of Southwest Airlines.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Bob – Yeah, that’s a great summary. And I just kind of assumed when Andrew got commercial back, he had to show he could turn that around before getting the title. Then he turned it around and didn’t get the title. So something strange is happening behind the scenes.

      1. SEAN Avatar
        SEAN

        Someone didn’t have their ego stroked enough & now there’s discontent. Boo HOU, these bata’s need to grow up.

  9. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    I’ve been in this situation before. My gut is telling me that a few in this group became friendly with Elliott. When they left these executives were lined up against the wall and shot.

    1. Exit Row Seat Avatar
      Exit Row Seat

      I’ve seen similar situations in my 33 year career. The company hires a Messiah who brings along his disciples from the prior employer. The Messiah is ousted in a coup d’état, and his co-confederates are dropped out of the window….head first!
      Sometimes, there is a benefit to being a worker bee!!

  10. Lou H Avatar
    Lou H

    I have been hearing that SW is going to go long-haul and have lounges? Is that true?

    1. Southside Emil Avatar
      Southside Emil

      Help me understand how SWA can put lounges in airports? There isn’t enough space for a Waffle House :-)

    2. Brett Avatar

      Lou H – Lounges seem to be the worst kept secret on earth. Plans have to be filed with airports, and there have been several that people have dug up. But nothing has been announced. That is just a matter of when. As for long haul, probably longer haul with the 737 is guaranteed, but we’ll see if that means widebodies at some point. That’s less certain.

      1. Angelo D Avatar
        Angelo D

        Brett, who in the right mind would fly overseas in a 737?

        1. Kilmer Avatar
          Kilmer

          Westjet customers. Although ‘right mind’ might be a bit of a stretch.

        2. Brett Avatar

          Angelo D – Like Kilmer said, WestJet customers. Also, some Air Canada. And what… half the Icelandair customers? Not to mention some pretty crazy long hauls on flydubai and Copa.

          1. Exit Row Seat Avatar
            Exit Row Seat

            If WN is truly serious about long haul service, it would be easier to just purchase Alaska:
            – existing wide body fleet of A330 & B787 with more B787 in the pipeline
            – existing connections in the Pacific Rim which complement WN’s Hawaiian footprint
            – an aspiring Euro footprint via Seattle with possible development of Wash/Baltimore as an east coast base
            – mostly Boeing fleet; the A320 and A330 series can be phased out as time progresses; done once before with Virgin America
            – fills in any west coast voids of the WN system as well as redeployment of surplus airframes to cover the rest of North America
            – In a panic, AA will throw out a bid; however, WN has more cash in the kitty and a stronger stock value to make a valid proposal
            – A means to keep the North American dominance of AA, UA, & DL in check

            Note: Should the above happen before The Donald leaves office, look for JetBlue put into play as well….may want to cash in your Mosaic Tiles while you can.

          2. emac Avatar
            emac

            United is flying Max 8s to GLA, SCQ, FNC & PDL, plus KEF and NUK and some 6+ hour sectors to FAI.

  11. Mark Rhoads Avatar
    Mark Rhoads

    I think this is mostly about SWA recognizing what they have in Jones and rounding out Justin’s experience to set him up as the next CEO with Tony having an outside shot.

    Some of the shine has worn off of Andrew at SWA and this move acts accordingly.

    1. Flyer69 Avatar
      Flyer69

      This is the correct take

    2. emac Avatar
      emac

      How has the shine worn off?

      1. Mark Rhoads Avatar
        Mark Rhoads

        The original Hawaii market strategy was largely his call (he wasn’t done any favors with timing) but Southwest has not made the fast inroads they anticipated and have had to scrap original plans and adjust.

    3. Herb’s illegitimate son Avatar
      Herb’s illegitimate son

      This seems to be the case. Andrew is visionary, articulate, passionate, and has the backing of the labor groups. I get the feeling, though, that behind the scenes that passion may translate into moving too fast, often in the wrong direction. Hawaii has been difficult. His network was messy and had to be changed a lot over the last few years including big pullbacks and withdrawals from many markets.

      Look at the change in the last 18 months. Despite the intense doubt and pessimism by just about everyone, SWA managed that change superbly and pulled it all off just in time to have the oil rug pulled out from under them. Justin Jones was largely the architect and leader that pulled a lot of that change off, and he largely did it behind the scenes without seeking credit. When you take an organization that immense and resistant to change and score that hat trick, you deserve a promotion and a shot at the gold ring. Ultimately, one of them is going to leave and take a CEO job somewhere else. The question Bob is answering is which one will that be.

      Southwest’s succession plan has been a mess ever since Tom Nealon stepped down. I think this is the first step towards putting the right leaders in charge to manage their complete transformation, which has many huge steps to come, and ensure success well into the future.

      1. Heart of the Matter Avatar
        Heart of the Matter

        Worth a small clarification here: during the last 18 months of transformation, Justin Jones was EVP Operations reporting to Andrew Watterson, who held both commercial and operations under his umbrella after Ryan Green’s departure. And to be clear — Jones wasn’t anywhere near the commercial side during this period. The revenue turnaround — assigned seating, bag fees, basic economy, the loyalty overhaul — was built and delivered on the commercial side that Andrew owned. Crediting Jones for the revenue recovery isn’t just imprecise, it misreads the org chart entirely.

        Jones is a capable executor who carried out Andrew’s strategy well — but his entire career at Southwest has been spent moving up through operational and analytical tracks. The vision, the commercial architecture, the transformation blueprint — none of that came from him. Don’t take my word for it though, just look at his LinkedIn.

        What’s telling is what’s buried in Bob’s public filings. At 65, he should be thinking about retirement — but instead he received special “Southwest Even Better” performance awards in 2025, named after his own transformation plan, with a three-year cliff vesting that doesn’t pay out until 2028 and forfeits entirely if he leaves before then. You don’t structure compensation that way if you’re planning to hand off the keys. Bob survived both Elliotts — the storm and the activist — and watched the transformation he championed actually work. Worth remembering that when the storm hit, it was Andrew who Bob sent to face the Senate Commerce Committee, where he sat before cameras and said “we messed up” while Bob stayed out of the line of fire. Now that the smoke has cleared and the numbers are singing, Bob intends to collect on the rebound he stayed to engineer — and “done” appears to mean 2028 at the earliest.

        That timeline is probably what sealed Andrew’s fate in the succession picture. At 59 now, he’d be 63 or 64 by the time a real transition could occur — a tough ask for a board looking to install a CEO to lead the next leg of a multi-year transformation. It’s less a reflection of Andrew’s capability than of the clock Bob set running when he decided to stay. The airline now has to build its bench from a younger cohort, and this week’s announcement is the first visible move in that direction.

  12. MarylandDavid Avatar
    MarylandDavid

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall in a high level WN strategic planning meeting. True, they are looking more and more like a legacy airline, however, it seems like they can’t take that next step and join the big 3 with just one aircraft type. It’s a blessing and a curse at the same time. It will be really interesting to see what this airline looks like in 10 years.

  13. Nobody Avatar
    Nobody

    Could it be that Andrew was getting burned out and desired offloading some of these duties? If you’re the COO, getting compensated as the COO, and you’re running departments that normally might report to a CEO, I could imagine a world in which I might say, hey…if I’m just the COO and not going to be the CEO for the foreseeable future, what do you say I just do COO stuff and you take back some of this other stuff.

  14. Jason Herter Avatar
    Jason Herter

    I worked for Rakesh at IndiGo from 2016 up until he left. I understand you say he is difficult but in my first hand knowledge he is one of the smartest and most perceptive people I have ever worked with. He worked his way through the United’s Operations Control Center in his youth all the way to CEO. If he is making changes he’s seeing something on the inside that we’re not seeing from the outside.

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