There’s a Lot to Learn From Alaska’s Return to Long Beach


Alaska made me happy last week. The airline announced it would finally return to Long Beach after an absence of more than ten years. But you don’t care if I’m happy, right? What you care about is… why am I writing about one lousy new route? Trust me, there’s something more interesting here than just a single route. It’s a window into something bigger.

Long Beach and Alaska have a long history with each other, most notably thanks to Alaska’s purchase of locally-based Jet America in the 1980s. Though Alaska abandoned most of that network, it did fly to its home in Seattle for many years on a mix of MD-80s and B737s. In early 2009, it put a B737-700 into Portland as well.

It was late-2009 when Alaska decided the right way to serve this market was instead with a CRJ-700, both to Portland and Seattle. In hindsight… no it wasn’t. I remember flying that long flight on a small, single-class airplane thinking… why wouldn’t I just fly JetBlue?

Portland made it until August 2014 before it disappeared. Then in January 2015, Alaska left Long Beach entirely by ending Seattle. Even though slots had become available at various times, Alaska never came back. That’s not a surprise since it didn’t have a good experience the first time around.

No, I’m not talking about any relationship drama or anything. It was just good ole’ terrible financial performance. Take a look at the average fares on Alaska from the five main SoCal airports to Seattle over the years…

DOT O&D Alaska Average Fare by Year LGB-SEA via Cirium

Not only was Alaska high unit-cost airplanes with no premium cabin, but the fares were also very low. This is what happens when you try to compete with JetBlue in Long Beach. Fares generally aren’t good.

A lot has changed since that time. JetBlue has packed up and left LGB, and Southwest has taken over as the primary tenant with nearly all the slots to its name. So why would Alaska now be interested in going back to Long Beach? I can think of several reasons.

1) Alaska already flies there

What? I know, that sounds stupid, but Alaska bought Hawaiian, and Hawaiian has served Long Beach from both Honolulu and Kahului for years. Hawaiian opened an A321 maintenance base at LGB, so it has a key role for the airline’s Airbus fleet. Further, LGB works much better to Hawaiʻi than other destinations because you canʻt fly there from Orange County due to technical reasons. So people who would normally choose SNA flock to LGB specifically for the trip to the islands, and that has kept Hawaiian there.

With a maintenance base and existing operation, it should be a whole lot easier to justify adding a couple of flights to Seattle. It helps you get better utilization on the ground, and it probably makes it easier to shuttle intra-company cargo to the maintenance base when needed.

2) Nobody else flies to Seattle… until August

In the dying days of JetBlue’s Long Beach operation in 2020, Seattle hung in there almost until the end. But once JetBlue left, no airline came back in to serve Seattle until just recently. Southwest has never been very strong between SoCal and the Pacific Northwest, so it wasn’t even willing to give it a try from Long Beach. Only recently did it file plans to start Seattle 6x weekly starting in August. Alaska does not want to give Southwest even the smallest bit of daylight in the SoCal – Seattle market, so it is going to try and slam that door shut as quickly as possible by competing head-on.

3) Seattle is a much bigger hub

It’s hard to remember a time before Delta, but when Delta threatened Alaska’s hub dominance in Seattle, Alaska responded. July 2025 had about 50 percent more departing seats for Alaska compared to July 2014, the last summer the LGB flight operated. In other words, there will be more connecting opportunities now to help fill that airplane. Yes, most of the domestic connections don’t make sense, but there is the Pacific Northwest. And now, there’s also Asia and Europe. Plus, Alaska is a part of oneworld this time, meaning there are even more connections that are possible to other partners.

4) Alaska looks at the LA Basin differently

Alaska has long served secondary airports in the LA Basin regularly, but the strategy has changed. After buying Virgin America, LAX took on a more prominent role in the network. But Alaska has spent a lot of time refocusing on those secondary airports. In 2014, Alaska only served Burbank, Ontario, and Orange County from Portland and Seattle. Today, you’ll find at least one of those airports having service to Boise, Eugene, Honolulu, Redmond/Bend, San Francisco, Santa Rosa, Spokane, and Tucson.

Alaska has learned what Southwest learned long ago, that having service at the secondary airports can also help the overall standing in the region. That helps the airline’s LAX service, especially since its weaker position there isn’t going to otherwise win head-to-head versus the big guys. Connecting Long Beach into the hub can help gain more local loyalty that can spread to LAX when plans require heading up there.

5) Slots were available

This one seems obvious, but Long Beach has added supplementary slots over the years, and Southwest kept scooping them up. But Southwest realized it had more than it needed, so it gave back five supplementary slots. At the same time, Delta decided it needed one less slot, so it gave up a single permanent one. The result? Nobody else wanted them except for Alaska, which picked up one from each. Four remain available, which says something about demand in this market.


With all of this coming together, Alaska is back in the airport with 2x daily B737-900ERs starting on September 8. That is obviously a lot more seats than the last time Alaska was in Long Beach. Does all of this mean it’s going work this time? Absolutely not. But there are plenty of reasons for Alaska to at least take the swing and see how it plays out.

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35 responses to “There’s a Lot to Learn From Alaska’s Return to Long Beach”

  1. brain w Avatar
    brain w

    I fly out of SNA as my home CA airport. Alaska seems too offer as many flights as American. With SNA so close and serving the same customer base (those wanting to avoid the chaos of LAX), not sure they are going to fill a 737. Would seem better if Alaska has A220s on the LGB route so it could test the market with less cost.

    1. Paper Boarding Pass Avatar
      Paper Boarding Pass

      Alaska has E175 jets via Horizon. Would these be a better fit based on demand? Also depends on what the land slot fees are like at LGB.

      1. NedsKid Avatar
        NedsKid

        LGB has a $5.05 per enplaned passenger common use fee and gate use/ramp use/landing fees are all based on a rate per thousand pounds of certified MGLW. (what they charge for spaces like back offices and storage rooms and break rooms is a pittance compared to most airports – and is on a per square foot basis like most facility rent). So fees are proportional to aircraft size…. which is a good model for an airline with a small presence as they can scale up and down based on demand without really impacting their airport fees.

        Landing Fees, 7:00 AM – 10:00 PM $6.14 1,000 lbs. Gross Certified Landing Weight
        Landing Fees, 10:00 PM – 7:00 AM $12.90 1,000 lbs. Gross Certified Landing Weight
        Terminal Building Apron Parking Fee $1.53 1,000 lbs. Gross Certified Landing Weight
        Common Use Charges $5.05 enplaned passenger
        Terminal Building Gate Use Fee $1.84 1,000 lbs. Gross Certified Landing Weight
        Security Surcharge Cost recovery rate hour, or portion thereof
        Terminal Space Charges – Ticket Counter Space $2.84 square foot, per month
        Terminal Space Charges – Second Floor Office Space $2.84 square foot, per month
        Terminal Space Charges – Terminal Back Office Space $1.35 square foot, per month
        Terminal Space Charges – Ticket Counter Space (utilities) $0.48 square foot, per month
        Terminal Space Charges – Second Floor Office Space (utilities) $0.48 square foot, per month

      2. Brett Avatar

        Paper – The E75 is a good airplane, but not on a route like this. That’s a hugely premium airplane thanks to the 76-seat limitation, so unit costs aren’t going to be nearly as low as on a bigger plane. This is not going to be a high fare, so they need something bigger that can drive volume at an ok fare. I’m not sure that this will work, but I think it’s a better shot than the E75.

    2. Jimmy F Avatar
      Jimmy F

      A220 would rock that route as well as many others. But with AS’s moronic strategy of being all-Boeing this won’t happen and you’ll be stuck with those horrible 737MEH I mean MAX.

  2. eric Avatar
    eric

    What are the technical reasons for no Hawaii from SNA? Isn’t it just about as far as EWR? Is it all the noise stuff?

    1. Mike Avatar
      Mike

      The runway is too short. You couldn’t take a 321 from SNA-HNL or even KOA without leaving a lot of empty seats or bags behind.

      1. SandyCreek Avatar
        SandyCreek

        Delta has a number of A220-100s – are they performant enough to fly that?

        1. southbay flier Avatar
          southbay flier

          I don’t think they have ETOPS certification. They have the range.

          But, I didn’t realize how short the runway is at SNA. They should make it longer. It seems like it can’t handle a lot of plane types.

          1. GS Avatar
            GS

            United used to fly SNA to Hawaii with a 737-700 and I think even that had takeoff limitations. Maybe a 737-MAX7 could do it, but that bird doesn’t exist yet.

            1. JB14-Hrbek Avatar
              JB14-Hrbek

              You know what might be able to do SNA-Hawai’i fully loaded? A 757.

            2. SEAN Avatar
              SEAN

              but will the locals allow that? You know how cranky those wealthy boomers get when the slightest thing disturb them in their gated golf course community/s.

            3. GS Avatar
              GS

              With noise limitations I don’t think a 757 can operate that, it’s not just a runway length issue it’s also an MTOW restriction (for noise purposes; this is also why they floor it on takeoff and then pullback the throttle). So the plane needs to have good performance AND be lightweight

    2. Patrick Avatar
      Patrick

      Aloha Airlines was flying 737-700’s into SNA in the early 2000’s; why is it that Alaska can’t?

      1. NedsKid Avatar
        NedsKid

        Aloha also went bankrupt (though to be fair was nearly 20 years ago). Is the -700 the plane that can do it profitably at the relatively trash fares that run now from the LA basin to Hawaii?

      2. Brett Avatar

        Patrick – I don’t believe Alaska’s -700s have ETOPS.

    3. Brett Avatar

      Yes, Continental and Aloha both flew 737-700s, later United picked it up but it abandoned the route. That airplane still sometimes took weight restrictions from what I’m told. I imagine if Southwest were to try a -700 (not that they have ETOPS), it would be even worse with a lot more seats onboard. The -8 is enabling Burbank now, but that’s a substantially longer runway.

      And the comparison with Newark… you need a lot more fuel in reserve for the HNL flight since there are no diversion airports in between. That’s the real killer.

      The -7 will definitely be able to do this run when it gets certified. I am sure Southwest will start that very quickly. But it’s still not a lot of seats on that thing. The A321neo from LGB is much better economically.

  3. See_Bee Avatar
    See_Bee

    As someone not from the basin, it’s surprising that LGB doesn’t do better considering how much Angelenos love to complain about traffic. I assume LGB sits in no-mans land around mostly lower/middle income communities and less-corporate demand in immediate surrounding areas? Feels like it’s drawing parallels with ONT

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      LGB is on the east side of Long Beach, in an area of middle-income neighborhoods & not far from the city of Lakewood.

      1. Brett Avatar

        SEAN – Actually, LGB is right smack in the middle of Long Beach from an east-west perspective, more toward the north end of the city and yes, right up against Lakewood to that side.

        See_Bee – Historically you’re right, it’s in a sort of no-mans land in that the other airports just aren’t that far. Take where I live, 10 minute drive from LGB just west of the airport. In no traffic, I can be at LAX in 25 minutes. People on the other side of LGB can be at SNA in 20 minutes. Yes, the ground experience at LAX is much worse, but you have a lot more options and often lower fares thanks to competition there, so people drive it. But Long Beach itself has been growing significantly as a business hub, especially right around the airport. The old Douglas factory is now Douglas Park with a growing number of space companies basing there plus several others. So it’s changing a lot, and Southwest is doing well there for now. I don’t think a lot of other airlines have paid close attention to what’s happening.

        1. Binky Avatar
          Binky

          Why are there so many airports in such close proximity? I’m not from the U.S. so I a just curious.

          1. See_Bee Avatar
            See_Bee

            Two reasons that come to mind:
            -The LA basin was rapidly developing right when air travel took off (~1940s & 1950s), so new development facilitated the new airports. Contrast that with large East Coast cities which were older, already fairly built up, and didn’t have room
            -There’s a number of ex-military bases during WWII that were converted to commercial service vs decommissioned/redeveloped

          2. Brett Avatar

            Binky – Airfields used to pop up all over the place back in the day when you didn’t need much land for those tiny props that existed. Every municipality wanted its own. Some of those went away, others expanded, and in SoCal, a lot of those turned into manufacturing. LGB is over 100 years old. It became the primary manufacturing plant for Douglas around WWII, and that relationship lasted until just a few years ago.

            SNA was an army air base in WWII and it was turned back over to the county afterwards with the requirement that it stay open for all aviation uses.

            BUR was built by the company that owned Boeing and United at the time in those early days. Then Lockheed bought it and built its manufacturing facilities there. It owned the airport until the 1970s.

            I could go on and on. The only real outlier here is LAX which had some manufacturing and military activity, but it only became prominent when the city of LA decided it wanted airlines to serve Los Angeles and not Burbank and Glendale where most commercial service was. It took a long time, but it got there eventually.

        2. SEAN Avatar
          SEAN

          Oh, thanks Brett for the correction. The Aunt of an ex-girlfriend lived on the side of LB close to Lakewood & that’s where my perspective came from. At least I know Edinger Avenue… LOL.

  4. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    What about LGB – PDX. As a secondary hub, Portland can pick up some of the slack instead of funneling everything through a single hub.

    1. PDXflyer Avatar
      PDXflyer

      That would seem to make perfect sense. AS has added a bunch of new nonstops from PDX as they further build it up. I used to fly JetBlue LGB-PDX regularly when it operated and even did Southwest with a connection to avoid LAX. Seems like one of the E175s would be a good way to test it out.

    2. Brett Avatar

      SEAN – To start, you want to funnel as much as you can through that primary hub to see if it works. If it’s great, then maybe PDX could happen down the road, but if you can’t make SEA work, then PDX won’t.

      1. Ian Avatar

        Also being from Portland, I see where Sean’s question came from. Last year as SEA filled to full capacity, Alaska started boosting routes at its secondary Pacific Northwest hub at PDX to share the load of connecting traffic. According to the news it’s working for them, which I’m glad to see. So if LGB-SEA works, LGB-PDX would seem to be next.

        In a related sign of PDX taking up some of the overflow, SEA was so full that Alaska is breaking ground at PDX some time this summer on its mainland widebody maintenance base (hangar for 2 787/A330 or 3 737). There’s no doubt their first choice would have been at their SEA headquarters if it had been feasible. But the property adjacent to their existing Horizon Air maintenance base at PDX probably wasn’t a bad second choice.

  5. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    I was surprised Alaska is starting STS-SLC. It’s a route that seems dependent on O/D on both ends.

  6. Southside Emil Avatar
    Southside Emil

    CF,
    I thought that the residents of LB wanted no growth at the airport. If gates are unused why haven’t they tried to shrink the number of flights?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Southside – You mean if slots are unused? It’s pretty straightforward despite what the loudest NIMBYs say. There is a noise ordinance in place that is grandfathered in by the feds. If they try and alter that ordinance, then it would likely blow up the entire thing and they wouldn’t be able to replace it with anything. So they aren’t going to mess with it even though they like to rattle their sabers. The noise ordinance has a certain number of permanent slots but then supplemental slots are added depending on overall noise. So as planes get quieter, the number of flights increases. It’s up to the airport to manage that process to stick to the airport noise cap.

  7. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    AlaskaAir said they were actively evaluating taking the other 4 supplements slots by Nov or Dec.
    Lots of speculation that they’re gonna add a Daily PDX flight and weekly flights to 4 KOA and 3 to LIH. Morning LGB-PDX-LGB-KOA/LIH Red eye -LGB.
    The other two slots are expected to operate 2 daily SFO flights. But others are saying 1 daily BOI and GEG flight operated by Horizon/Skywest.

    1. Ian L Avatar
      Ian L

      Guessing they would need to run the SFO frequencies on 737s to keep costs in line with WN.

      One interesting ripple could be using a 321neo for LGB-PDX and actually basing the plane at LGB. It’d be a lot of plane, but if you time things right you can bounce folks PDX-SEA or vice versa and match WN’s 3x-with-one-quick-connection-or-nonstop service (~4h gate to gate) time on not only SEA but PDX. 9am sounds about right for that, and even connecting across PDX would get you into SEA earlier than the WN flight, with a later time out of LGB than the nonstop. Plus you have all the rest of the PDX midday connecting bank. Turn the plane around for the departing bank, get back into LGB by 4pm, then depart ~5pm for an evening arrival in Hawaii in contrast to the existing morning departures. Then sit on the ground for a bit and do a late redeye back.

      No reason you couldn’t do that with a 737 of course but if the idea is to base an aircraft at LGB for the routing you’ll want to put a neo there, vs. the SEA/SFO 737 frequencies basing out of the other end of those routes.

    2. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      Sources? Or is this another “trust me, bro” like your comments about Southwest moving to MAT at LGA?

  8. Ron Avatar
    Ron

    Happy to see my prediction on Cranky’s post (Dec 30, 2025) is coming true!

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