United’s Confusing Messaging on Newark Can’t Hide the Truth


United has really been putting the hard sell on consumers about just how great Newark is lately. I get it. The headlines were really bad earlier this year when the wheels fell off at the airport, so they want to counter that now that it’s running better. But the truth is that Newark sucks, JFK sucks, LaGuardia sucks, and if you need to fly in and out of New York, your chances of having an operational issue are far too high no matter what airport you use. This isn’t United’s fault, but there is some danger for the airline in talking Newark up too much.

It was a couple of weeks ago that United put out a press release and had an event to “celebrate” Newark not being as terrible as it has been. Seriously. The press release sounded like there had been an incredible victory.

United Celebrates Turnaround at Newark Liberty International and Charts Bright Future

The reality of the situation is that air traffic control staffing issues, technical problems, runway construction, and general congestion brought Newark to a standstill. A few years back, Newark became a Level 2 airport which meant that it no longer had slot controls. It had runway timings, but airlines were overscheduling the actual capacity of the airport. This came to a head when the airport had to shut down a runway for construction. The end result was gridlock.

According to Anuvu data, in the month of May, Newark saw only 61.3 percent of flights arrive within 14 minutes of schedule while JFK was at 74.4 percent. And while JFK had less than one percent of flights canceled, Newark had more than seven percent.

In the short-term, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reduced airport capacity to 68 operations per hour. This was very doable once the runway reopened early on June 2, and performance improved. But how much did it improve? Not nearly enough to consider it a victory.

In its press release, United said this:

This summer, United celebrated its best operational summer ever at EWR, putting the airport on par with JFK and LGA for on-time performance. In fact, United flights out of Newark arrived on-time more often this summer than flights operated by airlines out of JFK or LGA.*

That little asterisk is always what calls my name. This should be something we could replicate, right? Well…

*According to A:14 on-time performance data for arrivals and departures for United and the cumulative DOT reporting carriers at JFK and LGA from masFlight for June 2 – August 31, 2025.

Oh good. See, masFlight is the same data I use. Anuvu is the parent company. So I can look all of this up myself. The results are indeed true using that cherry-picked methodology.

For that time period, if we look at flights out of Newark, 67.46 percent arrived at their destination within 14 minutes of schedule. But LaGuardia was better at 69.52 percent and JFK even better at 70.15 percent. What gives? Oh right, United is only counting airlines that report to the Department of Transportation (DOT) with their data. So I believe that means we can only look at Alaska/Hawaiian, Allegiant, American, Delta, Frontier, JetBlue, Southwest, Spirit, and of course, United.

At JFK, those airlines account for about 78 percent of total departures, and it does lower the on-time rate to 69.83 percent. LaGuardia was slightly worse at 67.66 percent. But Newark, well, with just shy of 90 percent of departures counting, 69.86 percent arrived within 14 minutes. We are talking three one-hundredths of a percent difference, but Newark comes out on top.

Let’s forget that Newark saw about a third of a point higher on its cancellation rate. Oh, and if we used arrivals into the NYC airports instead of departures out, Newark would have finished last.

This is what counts as a turnaround, apparently. And let’s not forget exactly what it took to get Newark to function even that well (or not well). United had to dramatically slash flying.

United July Newark Departures by Year

Data via Cirium, includes regional flying

That’s a decrease in departures of 3.4 percent vs last year and 6.0 percent compared to the year before. Sure, United was able to operate the same number of seats this summer as last thanks to bigger airplanes, but that hurts the communities that need connectivity the most. When we look at the markets that gained the most seats, it’s San Francisco, Denver, Austin, London/Heathrow, Vancouver, and Nashville. No surprises there. But what about the big losers? Excluding Tel Aviv for obvious reasons, here are the cellar dwellers:

Biggest Loss of United Departing Seats from Newark by Market July 2025 vs Prior Year

Data via Cirium

It’s the small and mid-size cities that lose out the most. In many cases, they have plenty of seats to New York on their own, but they lose out on all that great connectivity United has built up through Newark to places abroad.

To be clear, we can’t blame United for this. It is being forced to cut down its flight schedule because of the Port Authority’s and the federal government’s complete and total inability to provide a functioning airport and airspace system that meets the needs of the local population. Now, to make up for these failures, the FAA has decided to put mandatory cuts down to 72 operations per hour through October of next year. I guess they think they can squeeze in more than the 68 they had this summer, but not that much more.

United has no choice but to cut back, and for what purpose? By cutting back it gets back to a poor operation instead of a completely terrible, awful, ridiculously-bad operation. That’s a helpful tradeoff, but it’s not one that any operator should have to make. And there is no real hope of an actual fix on the horizon for any of the New York airports.

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46 responses to “United’s Confusing Messaging on Newark Can’t Hide the Truth”

  1. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Feel like as an IADer who has been overly frustrated in recent years the number of times United wants to ferry me up to EWR to send me overseas, Ive known this for quite a while.

    1. Bobber Avatar
      Bobber

      Same goes from DTW – pretty much all of the cheap(er) fares connecting to TATL flights are view EWR (although ORD is usually comparable, but with fewer options). I find it to be somewhat seasonal, though, as occasionally they will push IAD connections back to LHR as the cheapest option.

      As a physical space, EWR is actually quite nice (and the United Club is much better there than either ORD or IAD) – but perish the thought that you need to purchase anything at EWR – almost impossible unless you have re-mortgaged your house.

    2. emac Avatar
      emac

      The fun of airlines. From a network perspective United flows traffic over IAD instead of jamming more into EWR, most of those little cities with red over them have flights to IAD. But then pricing/availability you get better prices on IAD-EWR-Europe than the IAD-Europe nonstops.

  2. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    First love the picture. In my opinion all NYC airports suck is because there is no reliable public transportation that doesn’t rely on congested roads (OK EWR has PATH but it’s a pain to connect via the MTA). The AirTrain at JFK to Manhattan via the LIRR? Where is the subway to LGA? A bus? Forget it.

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      PATH runs to downtown Newark, from which you must either take NJT, Amtrak, or a bus. JFK is connected by airtrain, which in turn is connected to LIRR and subways. Both are very overpriced, and then there’s the nightmare that is LGA…

    2. Kenneth Avatar
      Kenneth

      Normally I’d say that taking the train(s) from EWR into the city is perfectly fine… except last time I was through there it took me three hours. Train to a bus to the Metro stop since the line was being worked on. Except the bus took so long to arrive that when it did, it filled up despite the fact that I was the first one there, and I had to wait for the next one.

    3. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      When I lived in Manhattan, the LIRR/AirTrain option made JFK my first choice, especially if I was leaving from work (10 minute walk to Penn Station.) It’s not perfect, but better than the alternatives, especially if you’re traveling at peak times and the cab-to-LGA option takes forever. And there are subway options to get to Jamaica if the LIRR isn’t convenient, slow but cheap.

      EWR will remain a public transportation nightmare until they replace that hopelessly outdated, inadequate monorail and/or extend PATH (“or” if they extended PATH to the actual terminals, not the train station, which if done as a loop could also let PATH be an option between stations. But the PANYNJ will screw it up, if it ever happens at all.)

    4. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      None of the NYC airports are built for transit. Transit ideally needs a single head-house (i.e. a single place where everyone checks in) and none of the NYC airports are like that.

      In fact, many of the bigger US airports are a disaster that way.

      It’s another reason why these airports, most of which still reflect infrastructure decisions made generations ago, need fundamental rebuilds.

      There will never be another LAX, another JFK, another EWR – rebuild them to push through the maximum number of passengers with the maximum efficiency. The Chinese would have done it already. We just keep applying more and more expensive bandaids that don’t solve the underlying issues.

    5. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      NJT runs frequently from Penn Station to EWR. That’s the easiest way to get from Manhattan to an airport. Where did this idea of no public transportation come from?

  3. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    Too many RJ’s clogging up the air and ground space. How come no one ever states the obvious?

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      Much as something to the magnitude of “fill up a 200-seat a321n or get yeeted to PHL” would immediately increase seats in and out of New York (with the option to decrease traffic), it would instantly deny any smaller destinations of a way to fill up planes to New York. Why must airlines cede those markets to such an extent when they clearly weren’t constrained to serve those markets in cases like almost all other airports in the rest of the country?

    2. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      It is obvious & I knew this years ago.

    3. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      It is obvious & I knew this years ago.

    4. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      It’s both obvious and yet unavoidable. Without smaller planes, cities like Burlington and Syracuse would likely have, at best, one flight a day. But people from those cities don’t just fly to EWR to connect – if that were the case that traffic could just go over another hub – but to actually go to New York City and northern and central New Jersey for business, and business travel becomes extremely difficult when you can’t do same-day trips and have to budget in an overnight stay.

      Now both BTV and SYR have connections to LGA and/or JFK, but there’s also the unusual geography of the New York City market to consider. Flying into JFK for a business trip to central NJ is a much longer, more tedious operation than just flying into EWR. (Same for flying into EWR and then going to Long Island.) And, of course, LGA and JFK have the same problems EWR has (except for the FAA’s failures, those are largely EWR-specific.)

    5. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      EWR’s issues are more fundamental, which include lack of independently operable parallel runways. There is space to have such, but you’d have to rebuild the airport. Until that issue is addressed, nothing will change.

      1. Brett Avatar

        JT8D – This. The RJs are not the problem. That’s a necessity for provide broad access to the most important metro area in the country. The problem is the refusal to create capacity.

      2. TDF Avatar
        TDF

        Curious. Where do you see space to add another runway?

        1. JT8D Avatar
          JT8D

          Look at the total footprint of the airport. One along the western edge, one along the eastern edge. Then you have all the concourses between them.

          People who know a lot more about this than me have looked at this.

          1. TDF Avatar
            TDF

            Sure the space is there but the cost of totally changing the infrastructure already there, the Turnpike, I78, and Route 9 is a massive project and impractical physically and financially. Lord knows I wish it was possible. I am from the area and fly home on occasion and would love to see it done.

            1. JT8D Avatar
              JT8D

              There will never be another Newark airport. It’s worth maximizing what’s possible there. In my view.

              This would all be a lot easier if the US was competent at infrastructure, the way it once was.

  4. DC Avatar
    DC

    Lets spend billions on making the terminals pretty and not make any plans to increase takeoff and landing capacity.

    1. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      How? Other than improvements to the ATC system, there is no way to increase capacity. All three NYC airports are hemmed in, unless you’re going to get Federal environmental law changed to let JFK fill in part of the Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, or your’re going to drop the New Jersey Turnpike underground, or you’re going to pay to acquire businesses and neighborhoods around the airports to tear them down (along the lines of the third runway at LHR, currently projected to cost 66 billion dollars), there simply is no room.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        Untrue. There is space for independently operable parallel runways at EWR, but you’ve have to rethink the space completely.

        JFK’s capacity, meanwhile, is fundamentally handicapped by proximity to LGA. Someone I know who is a stone cold expert tells me that if you close LGA, you’d open up capacity at JFK sufficient to… replace LGA.

        Also, there’s a lot of space at JFK, a ton of it is taken up with a completely irrational 1950s configuration where you let cars drive deep into space that ought to be reserved for airplanes. Think about how much space you’d save if it had a ATL or DEN configuration, where cars are kept to the edges of the airfield. JFK is a massive site, hugely handicapped by decisions taken 80 years ago. LAX suffers from a similar issue. Don’t let cars into the middle of your airfield. It’s a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to do.

        Edited to add: I looked it up, and JFK’s acreage is actually slightly larger than ATL. But you don’t realize it because the cars occupy so much of it, whereas at ATL, the cars are banished to the edges, as they should be.

        1. CraigTPA Avatar
          CraigTPA

          How much would full independent operation of the parallel runways at EWR increase aircraft movemement rates? And can it be done without any moving of 4R/22L? (I’m not sure of the reason it can’t be done now, so I’m curious.)

          And I’ve read that about LGA vs. JFK too, and it makes sense, but I can tell you that as things sit now New Yorkers (or, to be more precise, Manhattanites) will give up LGA when you pry their cold, dead fingers off the taxi door handle. I never understood the preference for LGA over JFK in a world with AirTrain, but that’s just me. You’d have to come up with a public transportation option that works radically better than what’s in place now before even considering closing LGA became politically viable.

          And JFK is definitely a masterpiece of stupid layout (I think it’s actually worse than LAX from a space-use perspective), and if we could SimCity the whole thing down to dirt and do it again the result would be radically different and probably look a lot like Atlanta, but with the cross-runways (my understanding is that wind patters at JFK require them, where ATL doesn’t.) The main problem with even an incremental rebuild is that even if you wanted to start a new rational master design, you couldn’t because there’s stuff that’s being used where you’d want to build the new facilities. It’s like me trying to organize my apartment when it gets too messy, but on an infinitely grander scale.

          Actually, that’d be the second-biggest problem. The biggest problem would be the mind-shattering cost. But it is fun to think about, and thinking about it helps identify possible incremental solutions for the real world.

          1. Brett Avatar

            CraigTPA – It can’t be done. They are too close together. What they need to do is build a parallel runway on the west side of the airport and then rebuild the terminals in between.

            JFK also needs to be knocked down and rebuilt. All of this costs money, but so what? It has to happen if you want to provide access. We suck at infrastructure in this country. (Except Chicago, which somehow got its complete runway reconstruction done and deserves all the praise)

            1. CraigTPA Avatar
              CraigTPA

              Thanks, Brett – I thought that the 4L/22R issue was a proximity issue, and that’s where the idea of putting the Turnpike underground so the runway could be moved east had come from (and was rejected.)

              I’m trying to visualize where a western runway would go and having trouble with it. The only thing I could find was a proposal by a group called the Regional Planning Association (http://fourthplan.org/action/airports), but their plan looks like it would involve building the new headhouse (connected to the Northeast Corridor), the new terminals, and the new runway – and knocking down US-9 – but with no idea of what order they would do this in and how the airport would work in the interim. It looks like you’re proposing building a new runway before terminal reconfiguration. Where would it go?

              On the bigger rebuilds, I admit to tending to be a pessimist: my degree is in Economics (the “dismal science”) and most of my life has been in accounting, including cost accounting. And I follow politics, more than is probably good for my mental health. So it’s hard for me to just say “so what?” when we consider the costs or the politics (I’m trying to imagine the politican telling New Yorkers what a mess JFK is going to be for several years, even more so if we tried to do JFK and EWR at the same time.) I see the need for the idea, but I look at where we at are now and have trouble picturing getting from one to the other. Maybe just a fault in my perspective?

              I agree we suck at infrastructure, although we are in good company (Germany has been failing spectacularly at that lately too, but more on implementation than on concepts).

            2. Brett Avatar

              Craig – Look, I’m not airport engineer, so that should be left to those with more experience than I have. But the basic premise is to give more spacing to the current configuration so they can be used simultaneously. And sure, burying the turnpike can get you there, but so can putting a runway on the west end of the property. Either way, we are talking billions upon billions of dollars.

            3. JT8D Avatar
              JT8D

              An earlier generation of Americans would not have hesitated to address this issue and fix it. For whatever reason, for decades on decades now, our reaction, as a society, to issues like this is to throw up our hands and say “can’t be done”. And then slap some incredibly expensive bandaid on the issue as a non-solution.

              And we utterly suck at infrastructure. We used to lead the world at it, and now we’re a goddamn embarrasment at it. Stuff that costs X in other developed countries costs 10X that here – for no good reason that I can discern.

              What we’re really good at is rent-seeking – manipulation of the economy to maximize profits at the expense of the public good. We lead the world at that.

  5. Thomas V Mccabe Avatar
    Thomas V Mccabe

    It would be interesting to know how many spare aircraft UA positions at EWR to fight the impact of lagging arrival performance into EWR on turn departure performance out. I suspect it is a handful of 737’s and maybe a few A320’s. Also, with EWR having widebody hangars, I wonder if there is a little slack in the widebody check schedules to provide swap options on tough days.

    An awful lot of resource to account for a substandard ATC/Airport system for the LARGEST METRO AREA in the country.

  6. JeffinMass1 Avatar
    JeffinMass1

    Both EWR and LGA are landlocked and are at over capacity. Flight keeps on arr/dep every day. 365 days a week. Flights are also added. I don’t blame anyone for this. Perhaps NJ needs to build a bigger airport somewhere? LGA and Reagan National have the same issue. That’s why they built IAD which UA is also the lead airline. JFK has six runways. No room for expansion. Airlines are added often. US airports are like the 405 Freeway in LA. More cars. More drivers. No new highways.

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      Wrong.

      JFK is bigger, in land area, than ATL. ATL, which does over 100 million passengers per year and many more operations than JFK and does so without melting down.

      JFK could do the same, but you’d need to fundamentally rebuild it. The issue is allowing cars deep into the airfield instead of having them on the edges. You need to go from an JFK configuration (one chosen 80 years ago), to an ATL configuration.

      And also close LGA (the waterside land would be sellable for beaucoup bucks, by the way). You’d want to add a single-seat nonstop train from Manhattan to JFK, of course.

      But you could have an ATL-quality airport (in terms of thruput and reliability) there if you wanted it. It’s a matter of will (and money).

      But from a technical standpoint, completely possible. The idea that nothing better is possible is utter nonsense. The Chinese would already have done it.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        No NYC airport could ever approach the level of operations or passengers that ATL handles.

        First, ATL has 5 parallel runways but Atlanta is also the largest single commercial airport metro area in the country; it is highly doubtful that layout could work in the NYC area w/ ANY other nearby airports including EWR. Also, ATL is probably not operating at runway capacity now.

        second, none of the coastal airports were designed to be large connecting airports which require lots of gates relative to the number of flights since there are banks of flights. Widebodies use lots of ground time and, even when those aircraft are pushed off the gate, they have to be parked somewhere.

        third, even though DL’s ATL hub has the largest average gauge (and lowest percentage of RJs) of any US carrier hub among the big 3 plus AS, there are many markets from NYC that are dependent on RJs to maintain frequency (mostly from LGA).

        NYC airports are what they are and will be in terms of runway configurations; you can pretty up the terminals – and most of the ones that are being replaced were 50 plus years old so had fully met their economic lives – but the goal has to be to use the runways and terminals most efficiently to serve the most customers and generate the most revenue, including for the scores of foreign airlines for which NYC is THE market to serve in the US.

        1. Eastern 727 Whisperjet Avatar
          Eastern 727 Whisperjet

          I’d say that much here depends on how we measure things. ATL handles more total enplanements, yes. But JFK has more O-D passengers than ATL. Here are the O-D passenger totals in 2024 for some of these airports:

          LAX ~ 67.4 million
          JFK ~ 48.0 million
          ATL ~ 43.2 million
          EWR ~ 39.5 million
          LGA ~ 28.5 million

          And their movements/operations in that year are:

          ATL ~ 796K
          LAX ~ 582K
          JFK ~ 469K
          EWR ~ 414K
          LGA~ 353K

          What this all says to me is that – in terms of ground access, market/catchment area geography, etc. – the three main NYC area airports require that we approach their relative size and activity levels with careful thought, realizing that the fact that ATL has more boardings and operations is somewhat misleading and irrelevant.

          Yes, it does. *But* given the island geography of the NYC area, its choke points, bridges, etc., it becomes clear that “just closing” (as others commented) one of the airports simply won’t work – even with significantly more “efficient” airspace use, the number of O-D passengers and operations at LGA cannot be accommodated at the other two, particularly as the catchment areas and geography means that JFK would be receiving the lion’s share of such a “closure”. (In fact, in some recent years LGA’s O-D passengers have actually come close to matching or even exceeding EWR’s – and that is with the silly perimeter rule in place! For example, in 2015 LGA had 24.7 million O-D passengers to EWR’s 22.5 million. We need all three, frankly, plus HPN, ISP and – to a lesser extent – SWF.)

          Closing any of the three major airports hoping that a “fast train” to and from Manhattan can handle the traffic doesn’t quite work as – a lesson learned the hard way by United – the CBD market is only a fraction of the total market and EWR is not easily reached by essentially anything east of the Hudson River. I still think we should get rid of the LGA perimeter rule (which I feel would help things overall).

          Finally, the fact that ground transit to the three from Manhattan is not world-class is something that can’t be argued with – but I would point out that (due to the “multiple headhouse” problem mentioned by another commenter) we would likely always need an additional transfer somewhere to get to the check-in area at all three airports. (Keep an eye on the plans to move the ISP terminal to the north side of the airfield so that one can walk into it from the MTA Long Island Rail Road station at Ronkonkoma.) The one most lacking in terms of an easy connection to the CBD on transit is LGA, but its taxicab/Uber proximity mitigates that. We still need a subway to LGA!

          Data taken from Google searches and:

          https://www.panynj.gov/content/dam/airports/statistics/statistics-general-info/annual-atr/ATR_2024.pdf
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

          1. Tim Dunn Avatar
            Tim Dunn

            your points are all valid….
            the point is that ATL was redesigned to first have 4 parallel runways (removing the crosswind runways) which grew to 5 and ORD did a similar thing; DFW and DEN were built from scratch to have multiple runways. DFW blew the connecting terminal thing but DEN followed ATL’s lead with parallel island concourses.

            All of these metros are in the top US airports not just for O&D passengers but in many cases for total passengers.

            The NYC airports were not developed to function as a unit and there are interests behind keeping them do what they do.

            There will be no new runways built at any NYC airport of probably any major US airport.

            I agree with you that the perimeter rule is not necessary now but I don’t see it coming down any time soon.

            The next thing that could help NYC airports is much more advanced ATC that could allow more precision and controlled approaches and reduce some of the spacing, esp. in bad weather.
            That too is a long ways off and will face an uphill battle.

            The biggest takeaway is that no NYC airport will serve as good as interior US airports that were designed or have been redesigned to maximize connecting traffic.
            Using the 3 NYC airports for what they can do best which is to serve the local NYC market and the immediate NE region will be the best strategy.

  7. NSS Avatar
    NSS

    I mean, sure, LGA is an operational nightmare but the Delta terminal is a delight. Big club, good food options, new bathrooms, tons of outlets. I mean, if you have to wait out a 4 hour delay for a 30 minute flight to BOS, you couldn’t pick a better place to do it.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      for that flight you might as well hop on Amtrak if in NYC already. That is especially true if you can get a deal on the new Acela service. If you are connecting, well that’s another story.

    2. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      You had me in the beginning!

      It’d be interesting to see performance by route or operator. In my experience, mainline, especially to hubs, never saw many delays. It felt like the RJs took the brunt of the delays to support airspace/taxiway decongestion

  8. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    Very well said, CF.
    It is only by cherrypicking a few select datapoints to argue that EWR is better when all 3 NYC airports are and will be way worse operationally than the US.
    Connecting the least amount of traffic over NYC and focusing on the local market is the best way to use the 3 airports.

    Even though the FAA bungled the ATC move, EWR has been overscheduled for years and since CO and then UA control(led) 65% of the flights, they could have reduced schedules to workable levels but they didn’t for fear that other carriers would add flights that UA cancelled. The runway rebuilding project was known months in advance; UA counted on the crosswind runway being operational but poor weather meant that EWR became a one runway airport for large portions of May. Scott Kirby berated the DOT and FAA on a nightly basis on national news while customers fled to LGA and JFK.

    Latest Port Authority data for July shows that UA is now back at parity with DL for boarding market share for the 3 airports but AA and DL undoubtedly picked up traffic that they are not going to let go of; UA’s LGA operation is also busier than it was in the spring. and DL is one of the few airlines that gained share at EWR through all of this.

    DL has strengthened its position as the largest domestic airline in NYC while UA serves a bunch of secondary Europe markets on narrowbodies at the expense of a larger domestic operation. Even though UA has upgauged a number of domestic flights to try to hold onto total boardings, DL serves many more domestic markets with greater frequency; all of the US carriers get more revenue and profits from domestic than international across their networks and NYC is likely no different.

    Trying to act like it is a win that the FAA capped EWR flight levels below pre-construction levels with deeper schedule coordination when UA repeatedly asked for slot controls is indeed a pyrrhic victory.

  9. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    EWR built a new Terminal A and then stopped. The old Terminal A still sits there partially disassembled. The airport needs a complete rebuild and they need to get on with it. Aside from the takeoff/landing capacity issues, ground ops esp. around Term C are not good.

  10. John G Avatar
    John G

    You can put that lipstick on the pig all you want, but there are simply not enough runways at any of these airports.

    EWR has two parallel runways that you can’t use fully independently. JFK has four, but only two parallel in each direction.

    ATL can use five runways at once. DFW has the same plus two cross wind ones. ORD the same. LAX has four that go at the same time.

    You can’t fix the capacity issues.

    Airports were originally designed to have maximum coverage for different wind directions. Cross winds were much more difficult to deal with back in the day.

    The maximum crosswind for a DC-3 is 13 knots. But for a 737 it’s like 33 to 38 knots. So these modern planes don’t have to have runways as directly into the wind.

    Modern airport designs take advantage of that, with multiple parallel runways and few crossers.

    The problem for EWR, LGA, and to a lesser extent JFK is that they were designed in the earlier era and do t have the land area to expand to parallels. ORD was able to do because it was built well out of town. DfW was built pretty much for that purpose too.

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      EWR and JFK have ample room for parallels.

      It just requires a complete makeover, which the Port want no part of.

      The situation we face is a choice. A crappy choice, one that causes a lot of pain and suffering every day, but one our society has chosen.

      1. John G Avatar
        John G

        EWR may have room for one parallel but not more than that. And to build a parallel at JFK would involve demolishing a lot of infrastructure or filling in the bay.

        There is simply not enough room at these airports to make a large hub. And it’s an even bigger problem at JFK where everyone wants an early evening departure time for Europe flights.

        1. JT8D Avatar
          JT8D

          Simply not true as a matter of land area. The land area of JFK is immense – it’s bigger than ATL, which has five parallel runways.

          The area of JFK is chewed up because they have highways, parking lots, cars, etc, deep in the middle of it. Clear that away and you have a lot of room for whatever you might like. Yes, a very heavy lift, but the issue is not lack of land.

          The other issue with JFK is LGA and JFK are too close together. This, plus EWR 20+ miles away, means that JFK capacity is a lot lower than it need be in terms of air space.

          So close LGA. Yeah, mind… blown…

          1. Alex B. Avatar
            Alex B.

            “as a matter of land area” may be true, but that’s irrelevant.

            Maybe it would be relevant if you were starting from a blank sheet of paper, but that’s not the case.

  11. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    This all seems very bogus. Shame on you, United.

  12. morselsofgoodness Avatar
    morselsofgoodness

    Newark is a bad airport. Always has been. The runway layout, the lack of room for growth, and the tendency to over-schedule it all come together to make it a mess. It is particularly prone to weather issues. United will never have my business because I simply won’t ever fly out of EWR.

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