Spirit’s Survival Hopes Dim After Posting Awful Q2 Results


The roller coaster ride that has defined Spirit over the last five years appears to be coming to an end. After pioneering the ultra low cost carrier (ULCC) model in the US, the airline rose quickly and then fell hard. It was never able to turn a profit after the pandemic, and it filed for bankruptcy protection. It exited bankruptcy in March, and now that the airline is a public company again, it has very quietly posted its Q2 results. If you didn’t think it would be possible to go bankrupt, come out, and somehow post even worse results… well, you were wrong.

By the numbers, there wasn’t much to say that’s positive, though we can try. The airline’s total unit revenue (TRASM) rose 4.8 percent vs Q2 2024, and its revenue per passenger flight segment was up 7 percent from $108.46 to $116.05. That’s as close as we can get to having good news here.

Now, the bad news. Spirit’s capacity plunged 23.9 percent year-over-year on 22 percent fewer departures. If you’re going to shrink that much, you really need to boost revenue to keep up with cost creep. Here’s where things start to get wild.

Remember that the unit revenue rose 4.8 percent, right? Unit costs were up about double that. And it was only that good because there was a big fuel-price benefit. Unit costs excluding fuel and special items was up an eye-popping 19.2 percent.

The cost problem is very real when you shrink, and Spirit’s commercial plan makes that even worse. Spirit ended Q2 with 215 aircraft which is up from the 210 a year ago. There are always Pratt & Whitney issues to consider that may have grounded different numbers of aircraft in each quarter, but that hardly explains this. What really happened is Spirit just stopped flying airplanes at off-peak times. Its aircraft utilization tanked 26.4 percent to a miserable 7.8 hours per day. That’s good for revenue, but if revenue doesn’t climb more than costs do, you’re out of luck. And those costs… yikes.

Spirit says “The [cost] increase on a per-ASM basis was primarily due to increases in salaries, wages and benefits expense, other operating expense, aircraft rent expense, landing fees and other rents expense, and distribution expense.” It seems like it might have been easier to just list the things that were not up.

When we bring this all together, the airline posted a -18.1 percent operating margin which is significantly worse than last year’s -11.9 percent. Net margin was -24.1 percent. Cash and cash equivalents were down to just over $407 million after burning through almost $250 million in Q2 alone. All of this adds up to the airline being in very serious trouble.

It’s bad enough that Spirit has issued a so-called “going concern” warning in its 10-Q, which is what public companies put out if they think they might not make it through the next 12 months.

Spirit says overcapacity and weak leisure demand in the domestic market have caused big problems. It has been trying to counteract this in several ways, “including the implementation of network and product enhancements, including its Premium Economy travel option, consummation of sale-leaseback transactions related to certain of its owned spare engines, and other discretionary cost reduction strategies, including the pilot furloughs announced in July 2025.”

But then, Spirit says that’s not enough. It has done the math, and it is going to bust through the debt covenants and the requirements of the credit card processor agreement if it doesn’t do more. So it’s basically looking to do a fire sale. Airplanes, real estate, excess gates, cutting fixed costs, and trying to raise more money are all on the table. But if it can’t? Well, then it’s over.

Notably, the credit card processor deal ends at the end of this year, and to renew, the company wants a bigger holdback. In other words, the card company will hold more of Spirit’s money until after travel is complete so that it doesn’t get left holding the bag if Spirit fails. And that is often the death knell for a struggling airline. In conclusion, the airline coldly notes:

Because of the uncertainty of successfully completing the initiatives to comply with the minimum liquidity covenants and of the outcome of discussions with Company stakeholders, management has concluded there is substantial doubt as to the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern within 12 months from the date these financial statements are issued.

Considering these results and the credit card processor deal expiring at year-end, I’d be amazed if the airline made it into 2026. In fact, I don’t see how it can even get that far with the cash burn that it has right now.

It’s hard not to feel for the people at the airline who have gone through so much in the last few years. But that’s the airline business. And there will be opportunity for many to go elsewhere. If Spirit fails, this will at least strengthen the position of other airlines like Frontier, Breeze, JetBlue, and maybe even United and Sun Country. But that’s all speculation. Right now, all we know is that Spirit is in critical condition.

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49 responses to “Spirit’s Survival Hopes Dim After Posting Awful Q2 Results”

  1. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    Tic toc, tic toc. Since travel demand is softening, it’s only a matter of time until liquidation.

  2. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Guns N Roses? Should have gone with Grave Digger by DMB…
    In all seriousness, if Spirit goes, I think you’ll see a massive focus on the “weak leisure demand in the domestic market”

    If thats really the cause of Spirits demise, then im not sure you will see a bolster to its competitors (maybe they’ll stand pat), but also weak travel demand seems like the worst support reason to other competitors vs “sudden incident impacting airline trust” (aka valujet). Either way Ill be curious to see what the public discourse of this will be if it all goes down the tubes.

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      If Spirit goes down, Frontier and others will enjoy a respite.

      That doesn’t mean Frontier and the others have a good model. Frontier has basically the same fundamental issue as Spirit – spill model in a time where the legacies are leaving less spill.

      Frontier’s network planners seem just as clueless as Spirit in that regard. Nothing F9 has done since Covid has addressed this weakness. Any return to health by Frontier in a post Spirit world won’t be because Frontier’s model is strong. It will just be because it outlasted Spirit.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Mike – I was going to go with the original from Bob Dylan and a scene from Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid, but I figured that might be too obscure…

    3. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      Love the DMB reference!

  3. JT8D Avatar
    JT8D

    Spirit’s problem is that it hasn’t addressed its most fundamental issue.

    It’s a spill carrier. No one flies Spirit for choice. Pre Covid, the big airlines, American, etc, left enough demand on the table for Spirit to make good money.

    That doesn’t mean Spirit has a good business model. It’s always has a terrible model – the test of a model being is what happens when it is under pressure.

    Spirit has been under pressure since Covid. The legacies decided to let less demand spill over to Spirit. And the weakness of its model was suddenly revealed.

    And Spirit has done nothing to fix that. To be fair, it would be hard to shift to a model where it relies less on spill. But it hasn’t even tried. To me it appears they don’t even understand the problem they face.

    1. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      I’d even go one step further and say that Spirit (and Frontier, Breeze, etc.) can’t shift to a more stable model, because the US majors have successfully answered the challenge of the market splitting into “network” and “leisure” carriers (lower fares and point-to-point routes) to the extent it has in Europe, through different fare classes and, in Southwest’s case, becoming more like the Big Three.

      (The European Big Three – ILM, Lufthansa Group, and AF/KLM – have “leisure” brands within their ownership groups to challenge the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet, although part of this is also due to the strucrure of European labour agreements.)

      I’m not sure Frontier or Breeze has that much more of a grip on the challenge than Spirit has. Allegiant’s really unique model has a much better chance of survival in the long run.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        I think this is fundamentally untrue, or at least, unproven.

        There is a successful model in Europe – Ryanair. No one has ever tried that model in the US. Skybus in 2007/2008 billed itself as the US equivalent, but their main base was Columbus, OH. Whereas the base that was the foundation of Ryanair’s success was London. Columbus on the one side, London on the other. These things are obviously different.

        (Skybus did other stupid things, I’m just pointing out one very obvious way in which they were Not Ryanair).

        Ryanair dominates its markets – it is not a spill carrier.

        If you look back to the original Southwest (1980s/1990s), it too was not a spill carrier. It also dominated its markets.

        You’re looking at the troubles of Frontier and Spirit and saying “ULCCs don’t work in the US”. Except Frontier and Spirit are a very specific type of carrier – a spill carrier – and most successful LCC/ULCC models are not.

        (Allegiant, at least in its “original” small city markets, is not a spill carrier in a conventional sense – it’s by far the most stable US ULCC business model).

        Spill carriers don’t have control of their own fate. You rely “on the kindness of strangers”. Spirit and Frontier were always living on borrowed time. There’s nothing the legacies did post Covid they couldn’t have done pre-Covid to Spirit and Frontier. But in 2014 American implicitly told then DOT/DOJ they’d be kind to Spirit and Frontier as a condition of the US Airways merger. They said that these carriers were effective competition. So they needed to demonstrate that was true, at least for a time. And times were good, so the legacies didn’t mind spilling a little demand.

        Consider Sun Country. It’s a spill carrier – its scheduled passenger business depends on Delta not going after its markets at Minneapolis. It appears to have some kind of informal accommodation with Delta there. It’s still not a great business – in 2Q, its scheduled business actually shrank. But it’s better than Spirit or Frontier.

        However, Sun Country’s fortunes fundamentally depend on Delta in just the same way as Frontier and Spirit depended on the legacies pre-Covid. If Delta ever hits the gas at MSP, Sun Country is toast. Sun Country fundamentally relies on the kindness of Delta. It’s a bad business model. That doesn’t mean it can’t make money for a time – Spirit and Frontier did for a while. Terrible models can make money in the right environment.

        But the test of a model is what happens when you put it under pressure. If Delta ever puts pressure on Sun Country at MSP, it’s dead.

        1. Anthony Avatar
          Anthony

          Delta isn’t really incentivized to kill Sun Country. They’re an insignificant competitor on only a handful of routes, so DL is likely happy to let them eek out their 11% market share. If they crushed SY, they risk a more formidable competitor like WN entering the market.

    2. CruisingAltitude Avatar
      CruisingAltitude

      100% agree that they dropped the ball by not addressing the “nobody wants to fly them” issue sooner, but I think it’s a bit off-base saying they haven’t even tried, at least of late. They’ve done a ton of things from reducing a lot of their onerous fees and trying to “premiumize” by adding in a premium economy product, moving away from the ancillary led model to a bundle model, etc. Were those things good ideas? Debatable, but I think it’s also important to remember that while they were essentially in a holding pattern because of the Jetblue merger and they really couldn’t change anything during that period. Once that fell apart they really had to scramble. Totally agree that the model was always at risk and they took way too long to realize it and arguably none of the ideas they’ve had to change it are new or likely to have the desired effect, but to say they haven’t tried anything is to my mind a bit disingenuous. Too little too late though for sure… Thanks for the reminder of skybus…that was…something…

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        But none of those things address the spill carrier issue.

        Airlines make consistent money based on market control. Control a market, you have pricing power, you can get a bit more money.

        Spill carriers, by definition, have no market control. Bundling your fares, nicer seats – doesn’t address the issue. Spirit, for instance, flies Chicago O’Hare to Dallas/Ft Worth. Nicer seats, etc – not going to change the fact that it has no control of that market. it will always will get the dregs of demand in that market. So then you have to ask – should it put that aircraft time in a different market where it might be able to build control over time. Which is why this is fundamentally a network issue.

        By the way, Ryanair doesn’t do any of those things (nice seats, etc) but that doesn’t stop it from controlling markets. So, I tend to be skeptical about the ability of such things to bend the curve relative to network. I tend to think things like product enhancements, clever pricing, etc – those things might be able to enhance a model that already works, but I don’t think they can prop up a carrier that doesn’t control markets.

  4. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    This would mark the first time a *MAJOR* airline has ceased ops since 1991 were that to happen. And that was a pretty rough year with Pan Am, Eastern, and the original Midway all going down within that year.

    But I’m not sure that will happen. It seems like now, it will end one of two ways. Either someone will finally buy them out. Or they will announce a shutdown with at least a few weeks notice. I can’t imagine it being an “out of the blue” cessation like we saw in ’91 and earlier where thousands showed up for their flights only to be told the airline no longer exists.

    Can you imagine a repeat of that chaos?

    A magic rabbit can also always appear and they pull through just fine.

    But then again, what airline has ever succeeded with the ‘shrink to profitability’ strategy?

    And the (original) Braniff shutdown was something of a legend. Have you heard the story of the in flight 747 that was told to divert to DAL because the airline shut down? And they said “nope” and completed the flight to Hawaii. And there was a little champagne toast for everyone on board.

    1. MK03 Avatar
      MK03

      ATA and Aloha did not count as majors?

      1. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        Not really, at least on a national-system level. They were major players in Hawaii at the time each shut down, so that magnified the impact.

    2. Dan GOLDZBAND Avatar
      Dan GOLDZBAND

      I do recall that about the Braniff flight to HNL. I believe Len Morgan was the captain–can anyone confirm?

  5. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    CF – I think you’ve omitted to mention the likely loss of confidence by passengers in buying tickets more than about two weeks ahead after a going concern warning gets publicised widely in news media. The revenues they might have been hoping for in the rest of 2025 and particularly around Thanksgiving and Xmas to use as working capital are likely destroyed. I imagine fuel suppliers will be rapidly tightening payment terms as well. Well into death spiral territory. Their only hope is to sell a significant number of aircraft and quickly.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Agreed. Besides when has shrinking to profitability ever worked? Another red flag was the leaseback of engines witch is something you do if one is strapped for cash & if you have been following the recent saga involving Kohl’s, then you would know the struggles they too are facing as PE encircles them like hungry sharks.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        Shrinking to profitability can work in a situation where you have control of markets. There are situations where the amount you gain in average revenue offsets whatever cost increases you might have. Continental in the mid 1990s was a lot smaller than it had been earlier, for instance. It dumped its Denver hub and that was a good thing because it had a poor position there (competing with United, which was larger). Whereas it had dominant position in Houston and Newark.

        In 2008, Allegiant shrank its position in many markets (while continuing to grow somewhat overall). Since it had pricing power in its little local leisure monopolies, prices in those markets went up. Increased RASM significantly helped to offset increased CASM from fuel prices (since oil went to $147/barrel). This allowed Allegiant to stay profitable in 2008 in a year when most airlines made very heavy losses.

        In the Spirit situation, as a spill carrier it’s basically a price taker – it has very little ability to move RASM significantly up. So shrinking results in CASM going up, but RASM doesn’t move nearly enough to offset. So in the Spirit situation, yes, shrinking is problematic.

        Fundamental issue remains the spill-carrier nature of its business model.

    2. Wany Avatar
      Wany

      This is so true, to some extend. I don’t think general public would remember this news when they saw their holiday flight is marketed at 1/2 of what other airlines are charging. On the other hand, I just booked my first flight on Spirit a few days before because how dirt cheap it was. Just this morning they posted a schedule change for my trip and I am seriously considering canceling for a refund.

    3. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      Wow, I wrote all of this in a separate comment, including the phrase, “death spiral” before I read yours. Great minds!

  6. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    NK’s situation is the ROI on all of the money that US taxpayers dumped into the airline industry – and the rest of the economy for quarter after quarter during covid.
    That money REQUIRED airlines to keep employees on the payroll and not rationalize capacity.

    With weak business and higher value leisure demand, the big 4 had even more seats they could use to combat economy basic type fares.

    Without any network advantages, the ULCCs and B6 have been hardest hit in the post covid period.

    Yes, it is hard to believe that NK can survive if their credit card processor tightens the screws; and it is even harder to imagine what NK can do to further cut costs even in another chapter 11 given they just emerged and relisted the stock.

    The lesson is that government interference in an industry that is still treated as governed by the free enterprise system will bear consequences at some point. and we are now here.

    The only question is how many other US airlines will go through at least one form of bankruptcy reorganization.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      But I thought we were in an era of “TBTF?”/s

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        first, I’m not sure that any US airline CEOs really believed they were too big to fail and thus could run a poor business other than Doug Parker.

        second, it is hard to see how NK could be considered in the camp of TBTF. They don’t have any strength markets where someone else doesn’t already have a decent presence and don’t make up more than about 5% of the US industry airline capacity – and that percentage keeps shrinking.

        and third, the big 4 plus AS are probably the only carriers that could legitimately argue they are TBTF and all any of the others needs to prove that any one of the other is “expendable” is to demonstrate that they can and will replace lost capacity. We have seen hubs closed so the market does find the right capacity for former hub markets.

        and finally, the notion that F9 or B6 or any other carrier that is on the low end of performance right now will be saved by NK’s failure – if it happens – is optimistic. the big 4 will continue to pump capacity where it needs to go to further weaken the weakest carriers.

        ultimately, you have to admit that the US governments attempts to regulate the airline industry from deregulation to forcing ultra low cost and low cost carrier access into certain airports through today has not worked. given that we are coming up on 50 years of domestic deregulation, there is no better time to rethink what the airline industry should look like and move toward it

    2. Chris Avatar
      Chris

      I could not agree more. If the objective of CARES was to help employees survive/eat, then it should have made payments directly to those employees. Propping up the airlines resulted in more stock buybacks, etc., with the net result that a lot of employees still did not benefit from those payments. Companies should be allowed to fail. We can not socialize losses and privatize gains – full stop. You back stop it with a strong social safety net and capitalism gets to do it’s thing.

  7. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    I wonder why they were allowed to exit Chapter 11 protection in such terrible shape

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      So far the people in control of Spirit don’t appear to have much of a plan. Maybe they’re cooking up something that will stun us all (always possible) but nothing so far hints at that.

      A merger between Spirit and Frontier won’t, in and of itself, fix things (and might even take Frontier down – mergers are disruptive events that require a lot of finesse and care to make work, and Frontier’s management… well, do you associate “finesse” with those guys?)

      But if Spirit is actually so bereft of ideas, then in retrospect you have to wonder if it wasn’t the best idea for Spirit anyway. Not because the combination makes any more sense – it does not. But because if the alternative is “spin out of control” (which seems to be what is happening) then the alternative of handing the keys to someone else is nonetheless better.

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      In a “prepackaged” Chapter 11, the major creditors – who have signed off on the plan – and any new investors injecting equity are seen as the ones taking the future risk, and they’ve already agreed to the new business plan as part of the overall process. So the actual business plan going forward gets relatively little scrutiny beyond what the major parties have already agreed to.

      It also presumes that unsecured creditors are now actually at less risk than they were before, as it’s presumed that the reorganized and recapitalized business will be more stable and more likely to be profitable. That hasn’t played out in this case, to say the least.

      1. emac Avatar
        emac

        CraigTPA this is a good point and good question. Which would’ve been better for Spirit and the creditors: the prepackaged bankruptcy that shuffled the debt a bit, or a real 18 month-plus bankruptcy where Spirit tears out everything that doesn’t work, cancels leases, tears up labor agreements (sorry) and emerges with a real shot.

        I don’t know much about what was achieved in the prepackaged bankruptcy for the creditors (someone else can chime in), but for the airline it clearly accomplished nothing.

  8. grichard Avatar
    grichard

    I wish I understood the financial arrangement between airlines and credit card issuers better. I guess I thought the credit card company just bought frequent flyer miles from the airline with the proceeds from its interest and fees.

    Is the credit card company just worried about being left holding worthless miles? Or is it more complicated?

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      It’s two separate things. This has nothing to do with frequent flyer miles and that kind of thing.

      What we’re talking about is credit card processing – the people who run the credit card to create a charge on your account and give proceeds to the airline.

      As you know, if an airline goes out of business, and you bought a ticket on your credit card but have yet to fly, you can go back to your credit card company and get a refund.

      So, that exposes a credit-card processor to risk. If the airline goes out of business, it will be stuck with all those bought-but-unflown tickets that were bought by credit card.

      Bought-but-unflown tickets are known in the industry as “air traffic liability” – they are a short-term liability on an airline’s balance sheet. It’s a very large amount and in theory, generates cash – because, in theory, the airline gets the cash in advance of actually flying the ticket.

      But what the credit card processor will do for very risky airlines is hold back part or all of the proceeds of the bought-but-unflown tickets until such time as it is flown. That obviously can deprive a risky airline of cash when it needs it most. There are processors which, in the past, have actually tried to hold back *more than 100%* of the proceeds, which means that air traffic liability is no longer a generator of cash, but actually sucks up cash.

      This is a very real effect. It caused the bankruptcy of Frontier Airlines in 2008 – the credit card processor said “we’re gonna hold back your proceeds”, Frontier said “we can’t afford that” and declared Chapter 11.

      1. grichard Avatar
        grichard

        Thanks. Obviously I thought this was something to do with cobranded cards rather than payments. Appreciate the explanation.

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      deleted – JT8D beat me to it.

      The only thing I’d add is that a holdback increase is also likely to lead creditors, particularly fuel providers, to make terms more restrictive or even start requiring cash on delivery.

  9. Dan Avatar
    Dan

    Spirit never seemed to be able to develop a market personality, one that would prompt genuine brand loyalty, the way a Ryan or SWA were able to do. Spirit’s obit will likely be written in the kind of clinical bizspeak seen here, rather than the warm and fuzzy remembrances of an Aloha or People’s Express. On the other hand, they could take a shot at flying Tump’s gulag routes, like Avelo has.

  10. Kenneth Avatar
    Kenneth

    I’ve often said in my red teaming of the airline industry that we’re not giving enough credence to the growing gap between haves and have nots in the U.S. For the same reason Wendy’s posted a loss simply because economicallly challenged folks have decided to skip breakfast, the ULCC segment is contining to struggle in a segment that will only see its discretionary spending drop with time.

  11. BadBob Avatar
    BadBob

    Very similar to what happened to us at Eastern.

  12. emac Avatar
    emac

    OK it’s time for the real av geeky fun: who are the vultures and what do they get? Who wants a bunch of A320/321/NEOs (probably all leased on crappy terms), a bunch of gates scattered across the country, and maybe some pilots?

    Does Frontier step in and complete the marriage of ultra low margin carriers? JetBlue decides it wants this glowing, toxic uranium in order to grab some extra capacity in Boston and FLL? Does United see more opportunity or risk here, grabs some assets at FLL and some Airbuses? Breeze or Sun Country? Hey, maybe American or Delta sees something here?

    1. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      I dont think Frontier or JetBlue have the cash burn to buy Spirit and sustain the cost of integration as they lose money already. Alaska has the funds and experience if it wants a Fort Lauderdale base.

      The planes are leased and will be sent back to their owners and released out. Adding 200 planes to the market probably depresses the l3ase market for a few quarters.

    2. tb Avatar
      tb

      @emac I don’t know how F9 or B6 come up with the cash required on such short notice. They would be much better served figuring out their go-forward plan in light of the current LCC/ULCC realities other commenters have aptly described. For MXY it’s a hard no – they are still trying to finally get out of the 190’s remaining on property, and more capacity per flight (that 320’s /321’s would bring) would see them following Spirit and Frontier down that rabbit hole to pricing hell.

      The guy absolutely beside himself with glee? Scott Kirby. United can pick up some airframes and parts on the cheap to tide them over the current backlog / delay in the Max10 and 321 prod lines. Also Spirit tried pretty hard in some pretty core east coast markets to United. If they disappear, UA retains the customers they have, gobbles up the “spill” and definitely puts on the upward pricing pressure. One thing I’ve learned about Kirby – if he says something in public more than a couple times he’s hell bent to make it happen. And he has been singing the death knell of Spirit for months now.

    3. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      The Venn diagram of airlines with the cash to buy Spirit and the desire to buy Spirit is two circles that don’t touch. In theory, I guess Indigo Partners might be able to scrape up the money, but it’s unlikely that they’d be able to integrate it with Frontier without F9’s minority stockholders filing suits. The Big Four and Alaska could finance it, but they don’t want it. JetBlue can’t swing the fianancing without a huge outside capital injection, and with their more recent changes in direction they probably aren’t interested either.

      The planes and employees will get snapped up in the post-shutdown sales, not before (except perhaps for the 21 planes identified in the 10Q as parked and on the balance sheet as “assets held for sale”. That item on the balance sheet is a THIRD of their total “current assets”, which is another sign of their fundamental financial weakness – they’re going to take markdowns on that if the “death spiral” really sets in.)

      I can see JetBlue specifically looking for purchases to consolidate what will then be their #1 position at FLL, and perhaps some specific growth at MCO. All the existing A320 family operators will kick the tires of the planes, but will be selective on what they take depending on their growth needs, their level of pain from the current production issues, and where the economic forecasts point to at that time.

  13. John G Avatar
    John G

    This further illustrates how dumb the court ruling barring B6 from buying them was.

    The judge was like you can’t remove a low cost carrier.

    Except the market is removing it anyway.

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      The court did JetBlue a huge favor. Hard to see a combined B6 + NK end up anywhere but bankruptcy.

      That plan was one of the least plausible ever. Take 200 aircraft worth of capacity previously targeted at the lowest end traffic and, almost overnight, convert it into JetBlue capacity. Somehow find 200 narrowbodies worth of new JetBlue customers in new markets mostly unrelated to NYC and Boston (bc there is no room left there).

      Omigod.

      It’s not like merging Alaska and JetBlue and retaining the customers from each – it was about finding largely new customers in a hurry. Those customers would have to come out of the hides of the legacies or Southwest or Alaska, all of whom would have fought like heck.

      It would have been fun to watch, but the outcome… Largely predetermined.

      1. John G Avatar
        John G

        Actually it would have been a great move for B6, if handled right.

        JetBlue is trapped in the NE. They don’t have enough capacity to grow away from there on their own. Buying NK for the planes and pilots was a quick way to try to grow out of there.

        Of course the whole “if done right” assumes they wouldn’t have screwed it up, but I digress.

      2. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        So true – the only thing that would have been worse is if JetBlue had bought Spirit and gone ahead with the idea I saw a few people in the media float of them operating part of Spirit as a separate brand on an ongoing basis using their current business model.

        JetBlue would be gone by now.

  14. syvjeff Avatar
    syvjeff

    In the middle of the bad numbers, how many Spirit A320/A321 NEOs are sitting on the ground waiting for engines? Does the airline have a case against Pratt & Whitney (now RTX) to sue for some cash?

    Now to the crazy stuff we will see on airliners.net – Will Southwest dominate Florida and increase NYC presence by buying Spirit with Elliot’s help? Will Boeing be shaking in their shoes when Southwest buys Spirit to add Airbus aircraft, crews and cancels 737s because of Max delays? Will United finally get their Florida expansion and become a mega airline by buying the carcass of Spirit with Jet Blue’s help?

    Might even see some crazier headlines. I’m popping some popcorn.

    1. Brett Avatar

      syvjeff – They already have an agreement with Pratt on all that, so I don’t think they’re going to squeeze anything more out of them. Maybe it Pratt had an incentive to keep Spirit flying, it would be interested. But it would probably rather have those engines freed up if it could.

  15. Anthony Avatar
    Anthony

    The biggest threat to NK is the fact that this is all happening as we’re approaching the slow winter season. If they’re not making money in Q2 or Q3, there’s no chance they make it through Q4. This crack seems to be the start of a death spiral for any airline. Creditors require more upfront, passenger sentiment collapses and people are afraid to purchase tickets for fear they will be stranded. Is there any precedent for an airline returning from this position?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Anthony – Well, I guess define “returning.” Airlines have gone into bankruptcy and come out in a different form because somebody saw value in resurrection for one reason or another. But I don’t really see that value here.

      1. Anthony Avatar
        Anthony

        I mean returning from the death spiral. We saw the writing on the wall with Silver. A few years ago we saw Jet Airways and WOW slowly disintegrate. It seems like once the spiral begins, it’s nearly impossible to stop. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy once the bad news begins and it’s difficult to picture a scenario where Spirit is ever back to full capacity in a healthy financial position even if there is another bankruptcy filing.

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      Quite a bit of NK’s business is winter-related, particularly their hub at FLL. But as the death spiral sets in, people will start booking away for this winter, so there’s no help coming there.

      I’ve gotten four Google “notifications” about the “ongoing concern” story this morning, and I don’t follow a lot of financial sites. The story is out there and getting traction fast.

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