Delta’s New Newark Transcon Serves Two Purposes


Delta has decided to add a new route from Los Angeles, and it’s not one you might have expected to see. Next April, the airline will begin twice daily flights from LAX to Newark. Yes, that’s right… Delta will fly to the home of one of the most special HoJo’s still in existence. Oh, and it’s also United’s big hub. While I don’t expect this route to be financially successful, that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth it for Delta to fly.

Delta will operate twice daily on the following schedule:

  • LAX 7:40am Newark 4:15pm
  • LAX 9:25pm Newark 6:00am (next day)
  • Newark 7:30am LAX 11:05am
  • Newark 5:25pm LAX 9:00pm

All flights will be on the A321neo, and no, these aren’t the fancy ones with a million temporary First Class seats awaiting flat beds. These are in the standard configuration with 20 domestic First Class seats, 60 in Delta Comfort+, and 114 in coach.

Newark, if you aren’t aware, lies about 30 road miles to the west of New York’s JFK airport. JFK, of course, is a big Delta hub, and Delta already flies from there to LAX 11 times a day in the current spring schedule. So… why?

Well, you don’t read this blog unless you know something about this industry, so you probably already have your suspicions. Plenty of others who write about this have already speculated this is a warning shot aimed at United. United, after all, flies LAX to Newark 11 times a day, but other than a brief stint during the pandemic, it hasn’t flown LAX to JFK since 2015 when it left. Now, however, United has its growing Blue Sky partnership with JetBlue, and it plans to get back into the LAX – JFK market soon enough.

So, sure, Delta may very well be sending United a message that it should stay on its own side of the Hudson, but I’m not convinced that this is the entire reason. I don’t even believe this is the primary reason. It may very well just be a fun side effect.

I recently wrote about how now is a good time for Delta to try to make gains in LA. And the reality is that Newark is a big market from LAX. Without being asked, Delta sent out an email with this quote from Scott Santoro, the airline’s VP of Los Angeles and Sales-West.

Los Angeles plays a central role in Delta’s network, and this new nonstop service to Newark reflects our commitment to connecting customers across key business markets. From our state-of-the-art Terminal 3 at LAX to our industry-leading Delta Sky Clubs and the Delta One Lounge, we’re continuing to invest in a premium, seamless travel experience. By offering twice-daily flights on our Airbus A321neo, we’re delivering more choice, comfort and reliable connectivity between the East and West Coasts.

There’s a lot of fluff in there, but it does confirm — as you would assume — that this is about Los Angeles and not New York or Newark. It also says that this is about connecting customers in key business markets.

A lot of people on the West Coast think of Newark and JFK as both being gateways into Manhattan, but it’s more complicated than that. That is definitely the case, don’t get me wrong. But they also have their own catchment areas in the other direction. For Newark, that involves the vast northern New Jersey market.

We don’t need to do a full analysis, but just look at this map. There are 12 New Jersey-based Fortune 500 companies that would use Newark as their primary airport. There’s no chance they’re all driving over to JFK. They’re flying United.

Map via Claude

Does the addition of two new flights on Delta to LAX change that reality? Absolutely not. But what about those Delta loyalists who need to go do business with these and all sorts of other companies? This will serve those people. It makes it easier for Angelenos to give all of their business to Delta.

Just look at the this chart we put in Cranky Network Weekly this past week:

Delta recently started serving Chicago from LAX. Now it has Newark. That means it serves all the top 20 destination airports from LAX except for Philly which is much further down the list… for now.

Of course, Chicago is different in that Delta doesn’t fly to any other airport in the region nonstop from LAX today. With Newark, it already has JFK. A lot of those people flying to Newark now are just going to New York but prefer (mostly) United. Delta won’t recapture that traffic. But it does let Delta woo those who fly to Newark because they need to be in New Jersey. I’m not sure how big that market is compared to the total Newark market, but it’s probably bigger than Philly.

This is what I assume is the primary justification for starting up this flight. That being said, do I think it’s going to make Delta money? I suppose it’s hard to say without having visibility into Delta’s corporate contracts. If this enables Delta to score a commitment from a big account and pull it away from United, well, it’ll probably pay for itself. Most likely this is not going to make Delta money directly, but it is the kind of investment that helps Delta to position itself.

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68 responses to “Delta’s New Newark Transcon Serves Two Purposes”

  1. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    I think you’re spot on. As important as JFK is to both NYC & Delta’s network, there’s a huge swath of the region to the west, southwest & northwest that won’t drive to JFK.

    1. 1990 Avatar
      1990

      Fair. However, would’ve been better if DL used a premium aircraft for a premium route. Lie-flat for 5+ hours and redeyes on transcon. Recliners are lame. Even if XLR isn’t ready; throw some 752s with D1 in 2:2.

  2. myfeetdothetalking Avatar
    myfeetdothetalking

    Delta’s entry into EWR-LAX is going after the LA basin point of sale, and not so much the NY one West of the Hudson. Delta has allocated billions toward growing LAX principally by redeveloping Terminals 2 and 3, and extending its operations into the TBIT. The problem though is that LA is a tough market. Everyone has to be in it. Whether anyone actually owns and wins it, is another matter. Yields on long haul across the Pacific aren’t great for US carriers, given the heavy competition from Asia based carriers. Connections via LAX are not seamless. Delta has struggled to make TATL routes work out of LAX. All that said, Delta has to create even more feed to try and make some of its even more absurd routes out of LAX, like HKG and MNL (planned) work. Will they? Maybe. Not likely.

    The focus on LAX is the clearest sign that Delta’s SEA operation and gateway to Asia just doesn’t work and it will get even tougher for Delta at SEA the more AS expands its long haul, which it will.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      It’s a catch 22, airlines can’t afford to be in LAX with a large operation & yet they can’t afford not too either. The market is to big to ignore.

    2. Cas Avatar
      Cas

      Piggybacking on this – how do people see the future of TPAC for the big 4? From the outside looking in, it feels crazy that only United has a proper full-sized transpacific hub on the west coast.
      I haven’t seen Delta announce much out of Seattle (and it seems pretty constrained even if they’d want to). Either they have to ramp up the fight right now and make Alaska regret starting long-haul, or the Delta Seattle hub will bleed out slowly, which seems to be happening. Given that American has given up on its Asian hub goals and has retreated to DFW(/Seattle via Alaska), perhaps LAX is the best of a set of bad options for Delta? I doubt United is gonna fight them for transpacific in LAX when SFO is their main priority and they’re busy in Chicago. As said, LAX is not an easy market to win, but perhaps being more prominent is possible, especially to shore up Delta’s weak transpacific presence. (I seem to remember a Cranky post diving deeper into the big carriers’ TPAC/TATL presence, but I can’t find it right now).

  3. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    glad you are covering the story.

    DL has repeatedly built out its developing hubs by flying to the top 20 (or as many as possible of them) markets from each hub.

    DL already serves more of the top markets – which from LAX includes a whole lot of other airline hubs – than any other airline. They are simply further reducing the other airline hubs they don’t serve from LAX.

    and the fact that they announced this mere weeks after LAX-ORD started (as well as LAX-HKG) would likely mean they don’t see obstacles to gaining traction in another carrier’s top markets from LAX.

    and it doesn’t hurt that NK is gone and carried a solid single digit percentage of traffic from EWR and has served LAX at some times; B6 is reducing its presence at EWR including to LAX. DL has a pretty good track record of gaining share in eastern US markets against AS; AS right now only serves EWR-LAX 1X/day even if they intend to come back for more later.

    and thank you for not trying to argue that DL will be sunk by not offering flights on Delta One equipped aircraft. the A321NEO is the most cost efficient transcon aircraft and well suited to build share and to gain access to that corporate traffic where DL is the largest airline nationwide including from NYC. There are a whole lot more Fortune 500 companies in Manhattan which are “in play” between EWR and LGA/JFK so DL can win over those by offering something that UA does not at least serve now

    as you have noted before, DL has a gate advantage over AA and UA at least for the next few years which means they can add flights that others cannot

    1. Andy Avatar
      Andy

      Sorry, by largest airline in NYC do you mean second largest airline in NYC because the NY?NJ Port Authority data shows them clearly losing to United (and the gap is getting worse, they are down 200k pax YTD vs United’s 40k). Why do you always get the stats wrong Tim?

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        Delta is the largest domestic airline from NYC – which is the context of my statement – and has the most total flights.

        1. Anthony Avatar
          Anthony

          There’s always a caveat when Tim presents data.

        2. Andy Avatar
          Andy

          Tim do you mind deleting your comment and rewriting it with correct infoirmation? I’m getting tired of always having to correct your blatant lies and then you clarifying later.

    2. Keith Avatar
      Keith

      Hey Tim

      Help me to understand why I would want to fly a Delta standard A321 when I could fly a PS United aircraft especially on the red eye?

      Additionally, for the 787, 44 lay flat seats up front and another 21 in Premium Plus seats triples my chances of getting upgraded over the 20 seats on the standard Delta A321NEO.

      For most of us road warriors, comfort on long haul trumps loyalty.

      Unless Delta offers a massive discount on it’s redeye, I got to believe that business flyers will not be impressed.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        You do realize that DL and UA use domestic configured aircraft on BOS-SFO while B6 uses Mint?

        And the 321 seat in coach is wider than the coach seat on any Boeing in United’s fleet

        1. Keith Avatar
          Keith

          Tim

          Cranky’s article was on LAX-EWR and that is what I was comparing. Not BOS-SFO.

          For the LAX-EWR red eye specifically, UA is using two (2) 787-10’s with 44 lay flat bed seats in business and 21 premium economy.

          Why would I want to fly an A321NEO (yes it is a nice airplane) even with an upgrade the standard first, when I could upgrade to a lay flat and have a much better experience in the -10?

          So the Delta coach seats are wider than the UA coach seats. That is a pretty low bar when you have triple the number of upgradable seats just a few feet North of econ.

          Back before United PS, I flew the LAX – EWR red eye in a standard first class seat and I would not trade down to it from a lay flat seat. Would you?

          So if the Delta red eye implodes due to the lack of customers as noted above, that is a 50% reduction in their schedule.

          Additionally, since ALL of the United aircraft are PS configured, I don’t see a tremendous amount of business flyers clamoring for standard narrow body seating on it’s other aircraft.

          Help me understand how you think the economics will work with business flyers.

          1. Tim Dunn Avatar
            Tim Dunn

            Perhaps you can explain why the economics work for United on BOSSFO compared to B6 Mint and it will be apparent why DL will thrive on EWRLAX

            1. Todd Avatar
              Todd

              Do you ever shut the fuck up?

          2. Tim Dunn Avatar
            Tim Dunn

            you do also realize that DL uses some Delta One equipped aircraft on ATL-SFO and vastly outnumbers the number of UA flights.
            How does UA compete with its 2X/day domestic configured narrowbodies?

            1. Keith Avatar
              Keith

              Tim:

              Why are you trying to deflect my question and my example?

              Brett stated what this blog was about in his 2nd sentence. “Next April, the airline will begin twice daily flights from LAX to Newark.”

              It was not about BOS- SFO or ATL-SFO or any other routes where Delta may be predominant.

              Again, the point I was trying to make is as a business flyer, on THIS route, why would I fly a domestic Delta A321NEO when I could fly a United 787-10 with 44 lay flat seats that I could purchase or upgrade to.

              Especially for a red eye flight.

              Given the choice, which one would you fly for a red eye?

              In my opinion, Delta is bringing a knife (a nice shiny new one) to a gunfight.

              I am asking you to explain to me how Delta will be able to compete in THIS market with THAT airplane.

              I

            2. Tim Dunn Avatar
              Tim Dunn

              because, Keith, your ability to believe that DL can’t make it on LAX-EWR with a domestic configured aircraft must be rooted in some comparison of how that same combination of flights has existed in other markets with other carriers.
              You want to believe that DL can’t survive on LAX-EWR despite the fact that there are multiple examples of legacy carriers flying domestic configured aircraft against another legacy premium configured aircraft.

              You have no basis for saying that DL can’t compete on LAX-EWR unless you have some data to show that combination hasn’t worked elsewhere – because it has been used elsewhere, even if the players and markets are different.

              DL’s success on LAX-EWR will be much more driven by the fact that it will serve more of the top markets from LAX than any other airline – and the indications are that they are not through yet.
              DL just started LAX-ORD and LAX-HKG; they would not have announced LAX-EWR if they weren’t seeing positive results.

              This announcement of yet another LAX route – and the third in a year targeted directly at UA – is a direct outcome of CF’s article several weeks ago about the gate advantage that DL has and DL exec statements about DL’s intents at LAX and with its TPAC growth.

              Maybe, just maybe, they will succeed just like they have with their other hub building projects.

              that is what you apparently fear.

              if they fail, you have nothing to fear

      2. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        He can’t, despite the ridiculous lengthy and irrelevant word salads below.

        One would have to be mentally defective to choose a DL domestic 321 over United’s 787-10’s with 44 lay flat bed seats in business and 21 premium economy seats. These DL flights are more likely to pick up former NK clientele, not business travelers who have at least a room temperature IQ.

        1. Keith Avatar
          Keith

          Bill from DC

          My thoughts exactly.

          I am a road warrior averaging 80K to 100K miles per year.

          Business travelers prize comfort and flexibility of schedule over most anything else.

          Besides the obvious comfort issue, I have no plan B if I miss the DL redeye for any reason.

          If I miss the UA 9 PM redeye, my plan B would be the 11 PM UA departure.

          I get to EWR on UA two hours later and not 4:15 PM the next day on the morning DL flight.

          I don’t have to sleep at the airport or have to expense another hotel room.

  4. Gregg Wiggins Avatar
    Gregg Wiggins

    A 2.6 stars rating, and a photo of an ambulance parked by the entrance on the hotel review page you posted. That surely must be “one of the most special HoJo’s” around.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Gregg – Exactly. And look at the location on a map. A wasteland surrounded by highways on three sides with rail lines on the fourth, right under the final approach to the 22s. (Ok, that last part is the only good thing it has going for it…)

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        but does it have orange sherbet and fried clams?

    2. Nick Bax Avatar

      Don’t forget about the fact that someone at least a few people spotted bed bugs there, and their cleaning techniques are inadequate at best….

      Perhaps it could be improved by evacuating it, then using it as a signal flare for the 22s.

  5. NSS Avatar
    NSS

    I posted something similar on one of the other blogs. JFK is such a mess right now, and the Van Wyck is still under construction, that it takes me 90 minutes on average to get to JFK from Lower Manhattan. Usually more. I can get to LGA and EWR in about 20 minutes for an early flight. JFK has been so bad for the past few months that I’ve started connecting in ATL to get to LAX or SFO. The connection time is usually less than the commute. I’d gladly fly from EWR to LAX for the next few years while JFK gets finished. I know it’s not a giant pot of money, but it can’t hurt. Wish it was starting sooner.

    1. Jeff Avatar
      Jeff

      Take the subway or LIRR? It’s not that bad.

    2. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      Perhaps what I say makes me exactly the kind of client Delta has no interest in serving, but an E train takes 43 minutes from Sutphin/Archer to WTC, and an A 38 minutes to Chambers St (albeit at a woefully deficient headway, I am aware); these times can be slashed down even more for passengers going to midtown or downtown Brooklyn with LIRR. Why, just WHY, should one take a private car barring heavy luggage?

      1. Anthony Avatar
        Anthony

        100%. I have no idea why anyone would prefer to sit in traffic on the Belt Parkway or the Van Wyck instead of subway/LIRR, or NJT to EWR.

      2. NSS Avatar
        NSS

        Subway and LIRR not easy for those of us with mobility issues.

        1. Bill from DC Avatar
          Bill from DC

          very fair point

  6. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    I think you give way too much credit to the ability of corporate contracts to make a route work. I worked in corporate contracting for a major US airline and built all the contracts our sales people sold/ managed with the largest companies. At the end of the day, pretty much every big company has a contract with every single US carrier as there is very rarely a 100% perfect match between a large corporation’s travel needs and what an airline offers. While Delta will serve all top markets from LAX with this move, and this is a logical add from that perspective, there’s no way that a single company’s decision to simply move some traffic to Delta (and there are VERY FEW situations in which one airline is completely dumped in favor of another for one route, especially in a fractured market like LAX) would sway what will likely be a tough market to make money in to being profitable… especially because Delta will have to provide a hefty discount to the corporation in exchange for their traffic. One company moving some but not all of their traffic to Delta will not make the route profitable. And there’s zero chance that Delta would be able to convince any corporation to shift all of their traffic to them with such an inferior schedule. The travelers who actually have to take the flights would not take it.
    All that said, it makes sense for all the reasons you’ve mentioned, in my opinion, for Delta to be on this route. Just dont think that one or two corporate customers moving some of their business to Delta will be the savior you seem to think it will be.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Perhaps, but each contract is easy money for that carrier & Delta has a foothold in the biggest markets except Chicago, Dallas or Houston.

      1. Jason Avatar
        Jason

        It’s not really “easy money.” They’re discounting to fill seats, that’s what a contract does.
        It’ll definitely help DL be more attractive to some LA-area companies, but it will not be the be all end all that allows them to completely vanquish their LA rivals. The market is too fractured. These flights will be full, no doubt, but full of what? That’s the question.

        1. Tim Dunn Avatar
          Tim Dunn

          all of your points here and in the post above apply just as much to UA at JFK if they decide to start service there – and that is why there is a “shot across the bow” argument that can be made, even if it is secondary or lower, about DL’s intention to start EWR-LAX.

          DL already serves more markets from EWR than UA could serve from JFK short of a substantial acquisition of B6′ slots; adding LAX to the list of markets from EWR – and DL is the largest in many of those markets which are to its hubs – does give DL an advantage if it is solely about DL at EWR vs. UA at JFK.

          as CF noted, this is as much about DL’s growth at LAX and they have the gate space advantage at least for the next several years.

          adding EWR-LAX is a whole lot easier given how much low cost carrier capacity is being pulled from the route; DL may not get fares comparable to UA right off the bat but they do have a pretty good chance of getting some corporate revenue and they also have a pretty good track record of improving their average fare in competitive markets.

          and it is also still very possible that DL could add a Delta One equipped aircraft to the route if the market appears promising. DL’s 767s – even the 764 – are only about 15% larger than the domestic A321NEOs in terms of total number of seats.

          and if LAX-EWR is just one of several new other airline hub routes – also rumored to include PHL and IAD, then DL adds to its position as serving the most major markets from LAX – all of the big 3 hubs from LAX are major markets – which does begin to move the S curve at LAX in DL’s favor.

          1. Jason Avatar
            Jason

            all the points sure do apply. I’m not surprised dl is starting this. they’re going after their local LAX market and trying to be relevant/ present in all of the largest airport markets, which is what UA will do once they return to JFK. It’ll be interesting to see how it all develops.

  7. Len Avatar
    Len

    No-brainer. Many of those corporate hqs are on/near NJ Transit rail lines that directly serve EWR. Instead of being stuck on the Van Wyck for eternity or changing trains 3+ times to take mass transit out to the edge of Queens, you get a fast and direct connection. If I’m an exec at J&J I can easily walk from my office to the New Brunswick train station from my desk. 30 minutes to EWR.
    And you get a chance to poke the bear (UA) while you’re at it? Why not give it a shot. Of course, it’s Newark…

  8. Amol Avatar
    Amol

    I live in LA. Historically I’ve preferred Delta since I’ve flown frequently to ATL and JFK (for Manhattan).

    My spouse works remotely for one of those F500 New Jersey companies and has family all over northern New Jersey who we visit, and so we had switched to United for many trips. If we were EWR-based we would be United loyalists, but living in LA, we have pretty much every major airline credit card since we end up flying each airline almost yearly since no one controls the market.

    It’s a small thing but having Delta as a nonstop option to EWR is big for us, especially with things like companion tickets from the Amex cards and upgrade certificates from my status.

  9. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    Interesting article. What you say makes total sense for Los Angeles area people flying to New Jersey, or even Manhattan. However, I don’t see those 12 companies all of a sudden switching to Delta because Delta doesn’t fly to many places nonstop from Newark, versus these companies have access to just about anywhere in the world nonstop with United at EWR. Also speaking as a west coast based business person who flys a lot (103,000 as of today for 2026) I don’t know many business people who will fly an east coast bound redeye, and then go to the office and work all day. Same for Newark based business folk flying home and arriving at 6am. Well, maybe when I was younger…..

  10. emac Avatar
    emac

    love how Claude thinks that everything outside the New York-Newark urban/suburban area (aka western Jersey) is Pennsylvania.

    1. James Avatar
      James

      Brett, I have to ask – I know AI tools can sometimes quite confidently give the wrong answer (“hallucinations”). Since you’ve used Claude AI for some recent posts, are you taking any steps to avoid this?

      1. Brett Avatar

        James – I’m not using Claude for content. I’m just using Claude to design some images for me which I probably wouldn’t have done on my own anyway. In this case, I just would have referred to the companies instead of showing them on a map, but if Claude can throw them up there visually, great.

  11. Southside Emil Avatar
    Southside Emil

    Cranky, Where does the catchment for Fishkills, I mean Staten Island fall? EWR or JFK. :-)

    1. Brett Avatar

      Southside – I somehow doubt there’s a lot of business coming from LA and heading to Staten Island… but I’d assume the people there prefer Newark.

      1. SEAN Avatar
        SEAN

        Most don’t realize SI is much closer to Newark, Bayonne & Woodbridge than most of the rest of NYC. As a result, certain SI express busses go via NJ rather than Brooklyn.

  12. O'Hare Is My Second Home Avatar
    O’Hare Is My Second Home

    We in Chicago don’t want or need Delta (isn’t it wonderful that Timbits hates the city and us?). The LAX flight to the Eighth Circle Of Hell, alias Terminal 5, is going to die on the vine given the frequencies and superior connections of UA and AA. Let us hope that our United brothers in Newark feel the same way.

    1. Will Avatar
      Will

      I think the DL loyalists (including those persuaded to be DL loyalists by seeing Chicago have a dot on the map) in LA to whom this is targeted will just buy it, kinda smirk at the fact that the fact that they have to take a taxi instead of an Uber into the city, and not think twice about the fact that they aren’t in the temple of excellence that is the C gates

  13. Will Avatar
    Will

    The North NJ argument makes sense but honestly EWR is more convenient a lot of the time from a lot of Manhattan. I can see it being helpful for LA people going to NYC a bit as well, and maybe even for a bit of the NYC POS.

    1. southbay flier Avatar
      southbay flier

      I would assume that those who fly a lot and live in parts of NYC where EWR is more convenient, they are already loyal to UA. I agree with Brett in that this if for those flying out of LAX.

      1. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        You’re right, and it largely depends on where in Manhattan you live and/or work. When I lived in Manhattan I was a CO loyalist because from work I could walk to Penn Station and take NJ Transit from there, and from home I could walk to WTC PATH and switch to NJT at Newark Penn, or even to a bus to save a few bucks or on weekends when the two trains an hour that would stop at EWR ran nine minutes apart.

        Of course, this was back when a lowly Silver could pull an upgrade once in a while. I’m (carbon-)dating myself.

        1. SEAN Avatar
          SEAN

          Yes, exactly. There are parts of Bergen or Hudson County where either NYC airport will do, but for the most part being west of the Hudson makes going to Newark a no brainer despite it’s reputation.

          “Of course, this was back when a lowly Silver could pull an upgrade once in a while. I’m (carbon-)dating myself.”

          Thanks for the laugh… that was great, I’m going to steal that one.

        2. southbay flier Avatar
          southbay flier

          My family lived in Fairfield County, CT when I was in college, so it was LGA/JFK for my dad whenever he had to travel. I’m not totally sure how the split for which airport works best for which part of NYC, but I know that there is a logic to using EWR for parts of NYC. I wasn’t flying at the time, but I do remember dropping off my family to go to France at the old PanAm Worldport in the 90’s.

          I remember the days when I was a Delta Silver and my upgrade rate was over 50% and I was surprised to be in Y as a Gold. I miss those days.

  14. David C Avatar
    David C

    There have been, are now, and in the future a gaggle of companies moving offices out of Manhattan to the west side of the Hudson and beyond.
    Delta is smart to start it.
    5 years from now where is the demand vs yield story going to land in NYC area?

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      A lot of those New Jersey office operations & support services are the back of the house. The front facing jobs are still in Manhattan.

    2. Jim S Avatar
      Jim S

      Airlines don’t start up flights based on demand 5 years from now. That’s not how this works.

  15. MNG Avatar
    MNG

    Similar phenomenon: AA has one LAX-IAD and one IAD-LAX nonstop a day. UA has six.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      I think they bagged that shortly after announcing it but ICBW

    2. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      They have about 1 daily LAX-IAD flight, as with ATL and STL (this is on a regional!); I suspect a lot of these are for maintaining nominal LAX OD service levels rather than trying to steal passenger bases from UA, DL or WN.

  16. Keith Avatar
    Keith

    Hey Brett

    You missed Panasonic’s (a global 500 company) US Headquarters in Secaucus NJ in your list of companies that use EWR as their primary airport.

    EWR is only about a 20 minute drive from them.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Keith – I was just showing headquarters for Fortune 500 companies, and Panasonic is in Osaka. But this was just illustrative. The point is definitely that there is a lot going on in that area, and Panasonic’s US headquarters is a good example.

  17. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    I’d love to come back in 6 months and see what percentage of the r/t flights begin at LAX. I’d set the over under at 96.7% and I’m still leaning toward the over.

    I’d also love to see average fares. EWR might be one spot where DL is aggressively discounting, if only to pick up a chunk of the NK flyers.

    That being said, none of this means it’s a bad move for DL, it just means it’s overwhelmingly geared toward LAX pxs.

    1. Tim Dunn Avatar
      Tim Dunn

      waiting for the data to come in – when it becomes public – and embracing competition is all anyone can ask.

      The NYC and LAX markets are huge; there are many ways to serve both of them and still succeed.

      DL has the advantage of being the largest domestic airline at NYC and at LAX.

      DL has gate space advantages at LAX and already serves more of the top markets from LAX than any other airline.

      UA says it wants into JFK and we may see schedules for what it says it will do from JFK soon.
      DL will have a larger operation serving more cities from EWR than UA will have from JFK.

      JFK and LGA is “DL territory” just as much as EWR is “UA territory”

      this industry is exciting because and ever changing because someone every now and then decides to challenge the status quo.

  18. EWR guy Avatar
    EWR guy

    I live 11 miles north of EWR so it’s a no brainer. I’m a legacy CO and now UA regular. I’ve been to JFK twice in last decade or more- once missing an international flight because we gave up after 3 hours in the car and once to get cheap flight to BTV- and the uber was over $150. I’ve been to new LGA twice. Even when working in manhattan near 1 Penn it’s still always EWR.

    EWR terminal A is delightful. C is better than lipstick on a pig but it works. But since I can fly pretty much anywhere on UA, DL doesn’t do anything for me even though LA is both a destination for me and stopover to HNL on regular basis.

    Now as a reluctant NJ resident I would like to see Godzilla added to this map. Maybe he’ll take DL via LAX?

  19. Jason Too Avatar
    Jason Too

    Just noting this is actually a resumption of DL’s first transcon to the northeast, post WA acquisition and, again focused on LAX point-of-sale. That 3x daily 767 “person to person” service was transitioned to JFK and 3-class A310s at some point when DL acquired PA’s JFK operation.

  20. Exit Row Seat Avatar
    Exit Row Seat

    Could the reason be:
    – B6 is vacating EWR with its Mint cabin in tow
    – NK is out of the picture and corresponding gnat bites
    – DL is fortifying its NYC and LAX footprints
    – UA has yet to fully leverage the B6 agreement
    – Lots & lots of mid level Fortune 500, entertainment, law firm, brokerage, consulting, finance, private equity, venture capital, shipping, pharmaceutical, and insurance employees are “scatters across the entire NYC area”(note: the corporate jet for the most senior fly out of Teterboro or White Plains)

    All of the above allows Delta to test the waters. Should something catch, lie flat seats will be next. If not, the jets are reassigned to ATL.

    1. Jason Too Avatar
      Jason Too

      Would just add that there are plenty of DL flyers in Manhattan that book Main or Comfort for business or leisure travel and are relatively agnostic to JFK/EWR when it comes to outside-perimeter destinations (and to some extent even inside-perimeter with respect to LGA). These customers will make decisions based on price/timing first (e.g., I always shop NYC-LAX, not JFK-LAX). DL has great terminal space/amenities at EWR and there’s no reason they won’t capture meaningful NYC point-of-sale, regardless of whether lie-flats are offered.

      Also, keep in mind that domestic first and premium economy are generally comparable in regards to price and amenities, so DL will not really be competing with Polaris shoppers at EWR unless they ultimately introduce lie-flats on the route.

  21. Kenny Avatar
    Kenny

    This new DL add is getting a lot of traction and comment online. To me it doesn’t really warrant all the attention, but these kind of things get certain people all riled up with overboard excitement. It is interesting to talk about, but it shouldn’t be all that surprising. DL has a hub in LAX and they are aggressively expanding it. I think the route is aimed at customers at both ends. DL has a flyer base in the NYC area do they not? This will appeal to them. They have a flyer base in LA too. Delta has a robust presence at EWR to all its hubs logically so. Why should LAX be excluded. Airlines have token flights to between competitor hubs all the time. Lots of people only fly DL, only fly UA, and mix them up from time to time. Again, nothing much to see here.

    What would be news is if DL launched LAX to EWR 6, 8, 10, or 12 times a day. Then that would be fireworks. But they’re not. Sigh.

    It is interesting that when TD talks about DL being the leading airline in the New York City area, he uses a lot of qualifiers.

    1. Tim Dunn Avatar
      Tim Dunn

      whether some people want to hear it or not, NYC IS a divided market with DL and UA each factually making certain leadership claims

      DL is the largest domestic airline in NYC and also has the most flights; it also serves all 3 NYC airports which right now is a huge advantage.

      UA is the largest carrier by revenue – because of its larger international operation.

      DL has started many competitive routes with the equivalent of just 2 mainline flights worth of capacity (often multiple RJs) and grown from there.

      and the point still remains that DL serves more of the top markets from LAX than any other airline; that is why they chose EWR and why they are likely to add IAD and PHL. Most big 3 hubs to LAX are top industry markets.

      UA execs and fans have said alot about getting back into JFK but if the comparison is solely UA at JFK to DL at EWR, DL has a significant size advantage at EWR that UA will only be able to duplicate if it manages to get its hands on dozens of JFK slots. It is very doubtful that UA will be able to match DL’s number of flights in JFK-LAX and SFO, let alone on the size of aircraft DL uses. It isn’t necessary for UA to do so in order to succeed at JFK and neither is it necessary for DL at EWR – or PHL or IAD.

      and the biggest challenge for UA getting back into JFK is that it has to win against not just DL but also AA and B6; while those two combined are only as large as DL or UA in NYC, the transcons are major markets for both of them and it is far from a given that either will go down on top of whatever DL does.

      sit tight and let it play out. it doesn’t even start for 9 months.

  22. Jim S Avatar
    Jim S

    2 flights a day at inconvenient times.

    I’m not sure what the point of this is. They will have to be priced cheap to attract customers from United’s much superior schedule.

    Perhaps they are going after former Spirit customers?

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