Hawaiian’s CEO on Future Brand and Fleet as the Airline Joins Oneworld


Have you had enough talk about Hawaiʻi lately? Too bad. I spent the last couple of days on Oʻahu where Hawaiian celebrated joining the oneworld alliance. It was a nice celebration, especially for the employees, but I was most interested in my sit down with Hawaiian CEO Diana Birkett Rakow. The Hawaiian brand is on solid ground, but it turns out, there will still be some Alaska flights to the islands. But first, let me back up.

[Disclosure: Hawaiian provided the air, hotel, transport, and meals for this event at no cost]

The event itself was a bit more muted than they had originally hoped. The oneworld-painted A330 was supposed to be unveiled, but there were delays in Singapore where the plane was being painted, so they had to sub a standard A330 instead. That being said, they did put renderings out of the new airplane, which will now likely arrive next week. I had no idea airlines had as much latitude with the livery to do as they please, but Hawaiian opted to put “Aloha a puni ka honua” under the oneworld name, which means “Aloha around the world.”

Rendering via Hawaiian Airlines

Itʻs a nice sentiment and also a reflection of the fact that Hawaiian and parent Alaska take the dual-brand and its importance very seriously. And it was on that topic that I spent a good chunk of my conversation with Diana that afternoon.

Hawaiian CEO Diana Birkett Rakow at oneworld joining ceremony

I have heard from many of you who are skeptical that the Hawaiian brand will stick around. Iʻm not in that group, but I pushed on the question. What is to stop Alaska from cutting costs and ditching the brand?

The Hawaiian Brand Is Staying.

She just couldn’t even fathom the idea of that happening. The plan is that “both brands exist in perpetuity as strong, distinct brands… and what you have to believe is what we believed going into this, which is each brand on its own has incredible value.”

But what if cost cuts become necessary? Is this not on the table? She didn’t flinch by sayng, “it’s just our new business model. It’s not like network decisions. We don’t redo our business model every season or every schedule or every year. It’s just who we have chosen to be, and we’re growing our way into it. But that’s the brand strategy, the business strategy.”

You may think this sounds like lip service, so I kept pushing. Couldn’t the Alaska brand still be well-respected and successful here? Isn’t it what you make of the brand?

The Alaska brand is one that’s respected here, and that’s fantastic. I think it is credit to Daniel [Chun, Alaska’s Managing Director, Hawai‘i Public Affairs & Sales from before the merger], and we have a board member from Hawaiʻi who still lives here. But that sort of reminded us and taught us the right way to do business in Hawaiʻi, that’s different than being local. Hawaiian is local.

Diana certainly believes this, as do I, but I know some of you still don’t. I think part of the reason people out there question the commitment to the brand is because the final plan hasn’t been fully determined. It is a work in progress. Diana admitted for the first time that not every flight that touches Hawaiʻi will be on Hawaiian. The operational complexity makes that too challenging. A “significant majority” of flights will be on Hawaiian, but there are seasonal variations, and they don’t want to completely isolate the fleets when the opportunity is there to get better utilization in the combined operation.

Fleet Decisions are Coming Soon

That brought me to the question about the fleet. Diana was tight-lipped on what would happen, saying a decision is coming. The one thing we do know is that the A330s will stay Honolulu-based, will be retrofitted with a new interior, and will be Hawaiian-branded. No decision has been made on the A321neo fleet yet, but she did make it clear that the overall fleet at Hawaiian will need to be bigger than pre-merger since most of those Alaska flights will become Hawaiian.

Though she wouldn’t confirm, my sense was that they either need to decide to keep the A321neos and grow that fleet, or they will decide to eventually retire those and create Hawaiian-branded B737s for mainland flying. Even though I came up empty-handed on that point, I was assured that a decision is coming soon.

What is clear, and what was echoed by the very senior flight attendants who flew me home, is that a lot of change has already hit the airline which moved at a very different pace prior to the merger. Nobody was complaining about this, but they are all trying to digest this rapid change while steeling themselves for more.

Why Healthcare Made Diana a Perfect Fit

With that background on the importance of the local brand, Diana may seem like a strange choice to run Hawaiian. After all, she has no prior connection to Hawaiʻi. Apparently Alaska CEO Ben Minicucci saw something in her and asked her to step in when Joe Sprague retired as planned. So what was it?

She jokingly said that her last role also followed Joe Sprague, so she just keeps following him. But in reality, her prior experience was directly relevant. Diana spent 20 years in healthcare at Group Health in the Pacific Northwest. According to her — and some of you locals can confirm in the comments — this company was very well-liked, but then they sold to Kaiser. She had to work through this merger which kept the brand going, similar to how Alaska came in to take over Hawaiian. In that case, she was on the other side, working at the company being acquired. That made her a good fit for Hawaiian.

Diana is not an avgeek, and she’s not an ops person, so she definitely had a steeper learning curve to take on this role. But when I asked her about the airline’s recent operational troubles, she was able to speak about it authoritatively. She understands the importance of a company that plays a critical role in the community, and she spoke about the emotional ties to the brand. She may not be from there, but she gets it. And she didn’t have to wait long for a big test.

The Interisland Operation: Trial by Fire

In the interisland market, Hawaiian has fallen from having near 90 percent of flights arriving within 14 minutes down under 80 percent since December. March was even below 70 percent. Diana said there have been several problems. First, in the winter, there was a series of Kona lows that brought a lot of rain and bad weather that snarled the operation. There also was some adjustment required when they switched over to using the single Alaska operating processes. That I understand, but why did the poor numbers continue through May?

The other two issues are tougher to fix. One, the B717s have really started to show their age over the last 3 years or so, needing more maintenance and downtime than they used to. On top of that, there was an additional aircraft down for maintenance that helped create something of a perfect storm.

I asked if the airline might consider acquiring some retiring Delta B717s as a temporary stopgap until there is a new fleet, but she made it sound like that was highly unlikely. More likely, they will press A321s into interisland service if needed, as they’ve done a little over the last few months. They will just need to do a better job of scheduling the fleet in the new reality, and those fixes are already in place. I’m sure it was a relief to many in the islands when June performance bounced back to about 84 percent, the best performance since November.

Though there are still big decisions to be made, I couldn’t help but get the feeling that things are moving at a rapid pace. It is a challenging time for everyone, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad. Everyone just keeps pushing ahead in the newfound quest to bring aloha a puni ka honua.

Get Cranky in Your Inbox!

The airline industry moves fast. Sign up and get every Cranky post in your inbox for free.

Brett Avatar

44 responses to “Hawaiian’s CEO on Future Brand and Fleet as the Airline Joins Oneworld”

  1. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    The answer to the future of the A321NEOs is likey not much different from the article that the 737 is a likely replacement for the intra-Hawaii routes.

    Since Boeing is getting closer to having 4 versions of the MAX, that family is more than enough for any airline including AS/HA that does everything except 4000 mile flights.

    the irony is that AS/HA might end up with 2 widebody families but just a single narrowbody family.

    It also seems rather unlikely that the 330s will be used for continental US transcon service if they are painted in Hawaiian livery.

    1. saladspinner Avatar
      saladspinner

      Nonsense. The 321NEO is not going to replace the 717 on interisland flying. Not the plane for high-frequency, short routes. AS will likely move older 738s to operate these, lighten them up, by removing First Class and putting thinner seats on them.

      Boeing is a very long way from having the full 4 MAX models certified, and even so, the MAX10 again isn’t the plane for interisland flying. The A330s will eventually get a mix of transcontinental and mainland-Hawaii routes. The HA brand will disappear in a few years altogether. It is expensive to maintain two identities.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        nobody said the 321NEO is going to replace the 717.

        CF had an article, IIRC, saying that the 737 is likely to be the replacement for the 717 which means a larger aircraft – regardless of the model.

        CF also had a great article showing the MAX can be used for Hawaii intrastate flying which WN does for several planes as part of larger mainland to intra-Hawaii flying. WN doesn’t have a dedicated Hawaii fleet while HA/AS will so there isn’t a direct comparison but operationally, WN shows that it is possible to use the MAX for short haul frequent flights.

        There are multiple sources that expect the MAX 7 and MAX 10 to both be certified within the next 6 months with MAX deliveries to pick up in 2027 as multiple airlines – including AS – take delivery of MAX 10s. whether the MAX 10 is used for mainland to Hawaii flights, MAX 8s and 9s are used for west coast to Hawaii flying, the majority of what AS/HA does.

        You can debate the person CF talked to but AS appears committed to keeping the HA brand which means the 330s are not likely to fly domestic transcons unless AS splits that fleet and puts some 330s under the AS brand. Their definition of the Hawaiian brand as they have defined it does not support using HA branded aircraft for completely continental US flights.

        1. Anthony Avatar
          Anthony

          Did anyone mention anything about Hawaiian 330s flying domestic transcons, or are you arguing with yourself?

      2. John G Avatar
        John G

        I flew Kona-HNL on a 321 two months ago. Was a bit surprised…but they are already doing it.

        1. Seanny Avatar
          Seanny

          Could be repositioning

  2. MaxPower Avatar
    MaxPower

    Honest question, Cranky.
    I accept that the OneWorld site shows Hawaiian as a member of OneWorld (although in a different way than every other airline, it’s a co member with AS)
    https://www.oneworld.com/members

    Did HA really join OneWorld on a technical level? All of their flights are now on the AS certificate and one would assume all their crew are paid via something based in Seattle by now. It just seems to say a lot that HA only “joined” OneWorld after everything that is normally part of an alliance was now Alaska — aka they did very little to join OneWorld except take on everything Alaska except branding.

    Ironically, the joining of OneWorld seems just as much of a marketing gimmick as the HA brand running on the AS certificate.

    Is a different paint scheme and FA shirt really enough to qualify as a separate alliance brand? Clearly the answer is yes (though not as a purely separate airline) but I just don’t see much of HA that actually joined OneWorld since all their “guts” and systems are now pure Alaska

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Not sure if there’s anything to be concerned over. If HA is under the certificate of AS, then all one world benefits would be extended to them. As for branding, Hawaiian carries with it a lot of brand value & Diana knows this & wouldn’t risk losing the base of both employees as well as flyers that she has.

    2. Brett Avatar

      MaxPower – I’m guessing that this was more ceremonial than anything else, but I don’t really know for sure how Hawaiian was handling this before. Were they already announcing oneworld status levels for boarding? I know in April when they merged to a single res system, then the technical aspects should have behaved the same.

    3. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      Its just marketing weirdness. As you pointed out HA didn’t joint Oneworld. While. Hawaiian still exists as a legal entity that is owned by AG, it doesnt fly any planes.

    4. EasyMoney Avatar
      EasyMoney

      At least at the moment, it’s worth noting that the certificate ASAA802A says “ALASKA AIRLINES, INC. AND/OR HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC.” as they are both treated as equal subsidiaries of Alaska Air Group. So while they share a certificate and callsign, it’s not perfectly accurate to say Hawaiian is just a brand, at least until the working groups merge. I’ve argued with Aliquiot on this extensively.

      But for oneworld, it’s mostly marketing sugar to avoid confusion as to whether Hawaiian-marketed flights are eligible for benefits.

      1. Aliqiout Avatar
        Aliqiout

        …but every flight is operated by AS, QX, or OO.

  3. SEASFO Avatar
    SEASFO

    I was in Kahului earlier this week flying Hawaiian for the first time since the merger and while waiting for my OGG-HNL flight it was clear that there were some inconsistencies that still needed to be worked out. Some of the gate displays still showed the HA code next to flight numbers and the gate agents for the Kona flight at the adjacent gate were announcing flights as “Alaska Airlines operated by Hawaiian”. I was on a United itinerary connecting to a mainland UA flight and the AS-operated segment said something like “ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN”.

    If they’re serious about keeping the Hawaiian brand around then that sort of stuff has to be stamped out in training, etc. If the airplane says Hawaiian on the outside, there should be no mention of the Alaska brand except for shared things like Atmos or the AS code next to flight numbers. Especially on interisland flights where the local brand really matters, you don’t want people to feel like they’re on an equivalent of a Skywest-operated Alaska flight on the mainland.

    1. Oliver Avatar
      Oliver

      When you book an interisland flight on alaskaair.com, it displays as “Alaska Airlines XYZ – Operated by Alaska as Hawaiian Airlines”. There is no HA code anymore. I assume there is a DOT requirement for airlines to disclose who the actual operator of a flight is. If they announced “Alaska Airlines operated by Hawaiian” at the gate, that seems like a GA who read the script wrong, no?

    2. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      Alaska as Hawaiian is correct. Nothing is operated by Hawaiian anymore.

  4. Sean in SAN Avatar
    Sean in SAN

    Let’s be honest, Alaska Airlines Group growth strategy over the past few years has been to grow to by acquisition. The Hawaiian brand will only stick around until the next acquisition when the entire company becomes… American Airlines!

    But seriously, they can only make the dual branding strategy work to a point. Someday the regional names of Alaska or Hawaiian will no longer resonate on a flight from DFW-STL or JFK-BCN. It already looks awkward to see an Alaska 787 at LHR.

    1. Oliver Avatar
      Oliver

      They should rebrand “Northern Pacific” :)

      1. E175 Respecter Avatar
        E175 Respecter

        Excuse me, you are infringing the trademark of a defunct railroad from 56 years ago and you WILL be hearing from BNSF’s lawyers about this!

    2. Cas Avatar
      Cas

      I’d agree with you, but clearly people have no problem flying Southwest from, idk, Baltimore to Medway… Of course that’s not TEXAS AIR in big letters, but still, maintaining the regional brand is not unprecedented, we just don’t think about it as regional anymore.

  5. DesertGhost Avatar
    DesertGhost

    Hilton operates 27 different hotel and resort brands. Darden Restaurants operates 10 different chains. Kroger owns and operates 20 distinct supermarket brands across the country. IAG operates 5 different airlines, Air France/KLM operates 3, and Lufthansa Group operates 9. The US legacy airlines have separate regional brands, and three own airline subsidiaries. I realize these situations are not exactly the same as that of Alaska Air Group, but my point is that a company using multiple brands isn’t without precedent.

    1. Sean in SAN Avatar
      Sean in SAN

      True, but I don’t think the comparison to a hotel chain or grocery store is a fair one. Hotels and grocery stores are tied to a fixed locations. By nature, airplanes are movable and can be shifted around the system depending on season and demand. It’s been proven folks don’t want to fly Air France from LAX to LHR so while the AF/KLM or IAG model may work very well in Europe, it may not be the right strategy in the US. We will have to wait to see what happens!

      1. DesertGhost Avatar
        DesertGhost

        Sean,

        My comment clearly mentioned that the various situations I mentioned were not completely analogous. To be clear, my only point was, and is, that individual companies can operate under different brands. No more. No less.

        As you quite correctly pointed out, “We will have to wait to see what happens!”

    2. David M Avatar

      And probably the most geographically relevant example, when CVS acquired Long’s Drugs, they kept the Long’s name in Hawaii while converting mainland Long’s stores to CVS. Longs has the feel of a local company, even though they’re not (their headquarters was in Walnut Creek, California and the first store was in Oakland). Since acquisition, CVS has opened additional Long’s locations in Hawaii; to this day all Hawaii locations are operated under the Long’s brand, not CVS (though the stores sell CVS-branded products).

      1. Al Avatar
        Al

        Oh I have a lot of feelings about this….I used to be a pharmacist at Longs and remember clearly when acquired by CVS. CVS was a terrible company to work for. (Heard it’s even more of a crappy company to work for now.) Longs was more family oriented albeit not so much towards the end. Very sad that Longs is gone.

  6. haolenate Avatar
    haolenate

    I feel like a broken record.

    Mokulele Airlines.

    If a small Part 135 operator can make regional branding work, why can’t Alaska, which has some of the smartest folks in the business, running it?

  7. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    I still think they should eliminate both Brands and rename it 49-50

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      49-50 or fight!

      (a long, long time ago, the catchphrase for the Oregon boundary dispute was “54-40 or fight”, a reference to the latitude of the extreme version of the US claim – the one that would have put most of today’s British Columbia in the US)

  8. Oliver Avatar
    Oliver

    I am surprised they didn’t put a bigger temporary OneWorld sticker on the substitute A330…

    I am also not surprised that “Diana admitted for the first time that not every flight that touches Hawai?i will be on Hawaiian.” I am for sure just an armchair fleet planner and airline CEO, but it always seemed inefficient to me to have a dedicated sub fleet exclusively dedicated to Hawaiian flying. Personally, I wouldn’t care whether my 737 to the islands has Chester or Pualani on the tail. Just make Mai Tai a beverage choice on flights to the islands.

    1. Seanny Avatar
      Seanny

      My bet would be that the some planes might say Alaska but the flights will be marketed as Hawaiian – and have some unique flourishes like the rum punch, shortbread cookie, etc. The biggest dual-brand difference for the consumer will be the airport experience. On the mainland you check baggage with Alaska, on the islands with Hawaiian

      1. Aliqiout Avatar
        Aliqiout

        There will be very few aiports (if any?) that will have seperate check in areas after next year..

  9. rl Avatar
    rl

    The 737 fleet has, or will have, as I understand a single pilot pool. The only important difference in the planes is the paint on the outside and the menu. Either paint job can cover the entire schedule so far as I know. Passengers are not likely to complain. I fully expect that plain spotters will be seeing this on occasion.

  10. BeachBoy Avatar
    BeachBoy

    I really appreciate AS’s efforts to keep the HA brand, but I worry as the integration progresses the HA brand is gonna just wither away.

    After flying multiple HA flights over the past 3 months the only thing that remains of the OG HA is the livery and inflight experience.
    Boarding announcements make no mention of “Hawaiian Airlines.” This past weekend, flying SEA-HNL the gate agents announced the HA-branded flight only as “Alaska Airlines.” And that also happened when I flew OGG-HNL in April.

    And as of July 1 w/ the elimination of free Hot Pockets in coach the HA and AS inflight experiences are becoming aligned. Side note, the last time I flew AS HNL-BUR they served POG mimosas as a PDB like HA.

    And once the crews are interchangeable I worry the inflight experience will just become kitschy.

    I hope I’m wrong.

  11. Exit Row Seat Avatar
    Exit Row Seat

    This hybrid situation will only work for so long.
    Eventually, they will need to come up with a common name like:

    – Trans Pacific
    – Pacific Air(lines) (just buy out the exiting airline currently using this name)
    – Pan Pacific
    – Air Pacific
    – Clipper Air (copyright issues ?)
    – TradeWinds Airlines
    – Oceania Air
    – JetStream Air
    – Blue Horizon
    – Mariana Air
    – Adrift Air ==;-)

    1. Oliver Avatar
      Oliver

      Why not just Horizon… they already own that name.

      or… Virgin America…they are already paying for it :)

    2. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      more likely just Alaska, unless they aquire someone larger.

    3. EasyMoney Avatar
      EasyMoney

      Diana Birkett Rakow, repeatedly: “Our identity as a company going forward is operating two separate brands”

      The same people who have been refusing to admit they’re wrong since 2024: “its gonna just be called Alaska”

      1. Aliqiout Avatar
        Aliqiout

        Its been less than two years.

  12. Goforride Avatar
    Goforride

    So what she is saying is that some planes to Hawaii will be Alaska-branded so they can surge flights to Hawaii at Christmas, for example. That makes sense and explains partly why they would want a common operating platform. They can plug in an additional, say, LAS-HNL-LAS flight with an AS plane and crew and do a turnaround, keeping them separate from the HA A321 crews who can still be Hawaii-based and to turnarounds to the mainland.

    The interisland is going to be ugly. The new AS CEO says AS 737-800 will probably be the “interim” interisland aircraft. That makes sense. Like UA, AS is unquestionably moving to larger planes. The MAX 10 will eventually be their most common aircraft as things stand now, and AS only has 25 MAX 8’s operated/on order to replace 59 -800’s, so as AS finally starts getting their MAX 10’s at the end of this year, that will free up -800’s as AS upgages.

    But that’s flying interisland with the plane they have, not the plane they want. That is a massive increase in seats if they want to keep roughly the same number of planes so they can still have a lot of departures.

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      Everyone seems to be forgetting the other way around though. One of the advertised beifits of the acquisition was the improved efficiency for HA. No more arriving on the mainland and waiting for a.good time to return.

      A few one off substitutions or special event schedules won’t be much of a problem, but I can’t imagine they will want an HA plane flying SEA-ANC or LAX-GDL for long.

  13. EA CO AS Avatar
    EA CO AS

    Here’s the thing to remember about neighbor-island flying; there’s really no new aircraft out there with powerplants that are suitable for that kind of high cycle flying. The GTF turbofans burn hotter than their predecessors for more efficiency but this also results in more time off-wing, much more than what was expected.

    The CFM56-7 turbofans that power the B737-800, however, are damn near bulletproof, they’re very inexpensive by comparison, and AS has large stockpiles of spares in addition to those already on the 59 frames in service. The MAX 10s are going to replace the 737-800s over the next few years, during which time the 737-800s will likely replace the B717 interisland fleet and AS can paint them in HA livery, run the heck outta them on neighbor island flying, and have inexpensive spare powerplants at the ready when it’s time to overhaul them.

    And, of course, upgauging from the 717 to the 738 will mean lower CASM while also being able to substitute for ETOPS flying if needed.

  14. rl Avatar
    rl

    question: Are there used 737s, well maintained, anywhere in the world that have lots of cycles left, but not so many hours? could they be bought cheaply enough, then used, and do that sitting around as the engine cools? The crew would just switch over to the cool plane and leave their cheap hot plane.

    1. Brett Avatar

      rl – I don’t think it’s realistic to pull airplanes on and off gates like that. It wouldn’t save any time.

  15. 1990 Avatar
    1990

    I know it’s not specifically Hawaiian, but I recently saw the new Alaska 787 in-person, and man oh man, that is a fine-lookin’ livery. Like, wowza, fellas. Me like-y.

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      A lot of people really dislike it for some reason.

      While I miss Chester, I think it looks good and its probably time to move on.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.