How Southwest Came to Dominate Southern California


When people talk about the airline industry in California, you’ll hear about all the airlines fighting at LAX or United’s dominance in San Francisco. But the reality is that for several decades, California has been Southwest territory. Oh sure, Southwest lags at the state’s biggest airports, but it absolutely owns the secondary airports after years of methodical effort. You’ll hear some Southwest people call the company a California airline based in Texas. This is not a joke, but it does have its limits.

With Cranky Dorkfest coming up this week, I decided to focus in on Southwest’s presence in Southern California. This required going back in time, of course, so I turned to SkyGo‘s OAG schedule data starting in 1980 to tell the tale of how Southwest got where it is today.

Southwest’s first foray into Southern California came on January 31, 1982 when it started flying to San Diego. That was quickly followed by LAX on September 18. Initial flights were to Phoenix and Las Vegas. This was a natural westward extension of the Southwest network with short-haul flights that originated closer to the airline’s Texas home. It expanded the airline’s reach, but this wasn’t a challenge to the dominance of California’s original low-fare airline PSA or to copycat AirCal.

The slow growth may not have been a threat to the status quo, but things began to evolve as the 1980s went on, and Southwest’s biggest asset was its low costs, low fares, and that it always stayed ready to pounce.

Ontario – 1985

The next SoCal city to join the network was Ontario which started May 15, 1985 with service only to Phoenix. It grew over time, but it wasn’t clear what this meant in the beginning. Let’s take a look at Ontario departures over time by airline.

Ontario Scheduled Departures by Airline

OAG Schedule Data via SkyGo

Other than the small commuters which buzzed all around the area, AirCal was the big airline in Ontario as the 1980s dawned. Second was, oddly enough, Continental followed closely by PSA and Hughes Airwest. It didn’t stay that way for long.

Many of the commuter airlines were only around for a couple of years, and by the mid-1980s they were either gone or flying under a bigger airline’s code (as SkyWest did with United). Airwest was merged with others to form Republic, which didn’t seem interested in keeping much in Ontario. Western had started to fill that void in the mid-1980s, and that continued when Delta bought the airline in the back half of the decade, but it didn’t make it at that level another 10 years.

American bought AirCal and USAir bought PSA in the late 1980s, and while both airlines hoped to maintain a significant presence, it didn’t work. They realized that Southwest’s low costs and those ubiquitous $29 fares were nearly impossible for their high-cost companies to fight. So they didn’t. American started to pull back in 1990, and USAir followed not long after.

Southwest had started to grow significantly in Ontario in 1989 when it launched it first route from there to the Bay Area via Oakland. It was about 10 percent of total ONT departures at that point, but it more than doubled its size by 1991. By 1995, it had nearly doubled again. United launched Shuttle by United to provide a Southwest alternative into the Bay Area, but that failed. By 2000, as other airlines pulled back, Southwest had about half the departures at the airport.

Today, no airline challenges Southwest in Ontario. Frontier has added low-fare flying, but it is still much smaller than Southwest, and by 2026 it had shed about a third of the flights scheduled in 2024.

Burbank – 1990

Remember how Southwest started intra-California from Ontario in 1989? It knew that with American buying AirCal and USAir buying PSA that there would be opportunity, and it did not wait long to make the next big move. It was on April 16, 1990 that it started flying to Burbank. But note that while Las Vegas was one of the initial routes, so was Oakland. The intra-California flying showed Southwest’s focus had shifted to the bigger prize.

Burbank Scheduled Departures by Airline

Data via SkyGo

In 1980, PSA was the big player in Burbank. AirCal didn’t even start serving the airport until 1982. The only other significant carrier at the airport was Hughes Airwest which continued to maintain a presence even after the formation of Republic until 1985 when it gave up. Delta had built on Western’s minor presence, but it was United that tried to make the biggest move as it brought regionals under its code.

By 1990, USAir was still the biggest at the airport, but it would exit completely in 1991. United was the second biggest, but half its departures were on 30-seat props in markets like Burbank to Sacramento. There was low-hanging fruit for Southwest to attack. By 1992, Southwest was number one at the airport and double the size of number two United.

United tried to fight back again with Shuttle by United to both San Francisco and Oakland. That didn’t work.

Nobody seriously challenged Southwest in Burbank for decades with Southwest maintaining a 60 to 70 percent departure share. That began to change before the pandemic when JSX entered. Since we are looking at departure share and not seats, JSX looks a lot bigger than it really is. It is a niche operator with very few, high-priced seats.

At the other end of the spectrum, ultra low-cost carriers (ULCC) have been largely absent. Avelo made Burbank its first base in 2021, but it had left by 2025. Allegiant, Breeze, and Frontier have all tried to carve out a niche, but they’ve been pretty unsuccessful so far.

Orange County – 1994

Southwest quickly learned in the early 1990s that it had struck gold in California, but it couldn’t find a way to get into Orange County since the airport had put its noise ordinance into place in 1985. It wasn’t until 1994 when Southwest picked up some slots. By this time, it knew the most important routes weren’t to Phoenix and Vegas. It started with Oakland and San Jose on May 26.

Orange County Scheduled Departures by Airline

Data via SkyGo

In Orange County, the big airlines held on to their positions far better than elsewhere, and that’s probably due to the strong business demand and high fares alongside the barriers to entry. American actually built on AirCal’s home base, and America West had created a nice little operation of its own that went north-south and not just to its hubs in Phoenix and Las Vegas.

Southwest entered, but it couldn’t grow as fast as it normally would because of the slot restrictions. It wasn’t until 2004 that Southwest became the largest airline at the airport, just barely squeaking past United. But every time one airline would take a step back, Southwest would be there. And while it sometimes would have to give back its gains thanks to the way the slot rules worked, Southwest never did that unless forced.

During the pandemic, airlines like Allegiant and Breeze were able to scrounge up some slots, but the prospects for future growth are relatively slim for everyone. In 2026, Southwest has north of 27 percent of scheduled departures which is well beyond second place Alaska’s 15 percent.

Long Beach – 2016

The one big airport Southwest hadn’t entered in the LA Basin was Long Beach, my home airport. That’s because Long Beach was slot-restricted, and none were available for aircraft the size of Southwest’s B737s by the time Southwest was interested. Why the sudden interest? As demand increased in Orange County, Southwest had to give back slots. Long Beach was another way to serve those travelers, and it was an airport with a weak existing tenant in JetBlue.

JetBlue held the lion’s share of slots at the airport, but then something happened. Airplanes got less noisy, and Southwest found a way in on June 5, 2016.

Long Beach Scheduled Departures by Airline

Data via SkyGo

Long Beach was generally the least-coveted airport in the Basin. It was the home of Jet America in the 1980s until that airline was bought by Alaska, but the brief bulge of service went away. For most of the 1990s, it was a sleepy airport with very little service. In 2001, JetBlue showed up and took all the remaining slots.

Unlike Orange County, Long Beach’s noise ordinance is actually based on noise. And as noise decreased, that created the opportunity for more slots. Southwest announced it would start flying to Oakland as part of its plan to blanket secondary markets in Southern California. JetBlue initially tried to fight back, but it gave up completely during the pandemic, at which point Southwest took over all of that airline’s slots and more.


It was a long-term plan with short term bursts of action alongside methodical growth. In the end, Southwest has created something of a fortress in these markets. We’re talking about seats, but that can get noisy because of locals versus connections. Look at the LA Basin to the San Francisco Bay Area for all of 2025. Southwest flew 49 percent of all the passengers. Number two United was under 20 percent. Or look just at LAX to the Bay Area, a hotly-contested market. Southwest flew a third of all passengers with Delta and United coming in a close second with each shy of 20 percent.

That doesn’t mean everything has been a wild success. During the pandemic, Southwest decided to go smaller, and it added Palm Springs and Santa Barbara. Those markets have not seen much growth, and Southwest remains relatively small. Perhaps that changes in the future, or maybe it’s just that the legacy airlines have become so much better at competing with the current version of Southwest that the failures of the 1980s and 1990s won’t be repeated. But for all the big secondary markets in Southern California? That ship has sailed, and Southwest is the dominant carrier.

Tomorrow, I’ll look more at how Southwest’s strategy has shifted in the region in the last decade.

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56 responses to “How Southwest Came to Dominate Southern California”

  1. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    A historical….of my favorite era….in my hometown area. You must’ve had me on the brain.

    ONT was my “hometown” airport and is still my sentimental favorite. And LAX and SNA was where I usually went to take pics. I don’t think I ever set foot at LGB or BUR but maybe once or twice.

    Love it. Please keep them coming.

    There’s really not much I can add except that I *think*, but am not positive, that Southwest got into SNA by way of the Morris Air purchase.

    Though how THEY got in, no idea. Maybe when USAir and the original Midway pulled out, which was at around the same time-both left in mid 1991 IIRC.

    And USAir wasn’t gone for long. They returned in around 1994 I think. Flying 733s to PIT. Also no idea how they pulled that off, especially westbound. I think this has come up before and you or someone mentioned that they had a small subfleet of -300’s outfitted with extra belly tanks to give them extra range.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Matt D – Great call on Morris Air. I show Morris started flying there in 1993 with 490 flights followed by 552 in 1994, all to Salt Lake. Southwest had 3400 in 1994 and then 5580 by 1995, so Morris may have opened the door, but there was clearly something else going on here. The only other airline that I show stopping in 1994 was KO. I have no idea who that is but flights were to LAX and LGB on Grand Caravans, so I can’t imagine that was relevant!

    2. Jason Avatar
      Jason

      Actually Southwest Airlines applied like every other airline for new entry slots at SNA. They were already waiting list before they even bought Morris Air. The year prior in October 1993 SNA awarded WN 8 AA operating slots for May 1994 “ SNA next planned calendar year slots allocation seat increase approved by the Joint Newport Beach noise management lawsuit agreement.
      WN saw an opportunity it could trade the highest AA slots for lower noise allocated EE slots to increase their seats allowance to allow for 8 daily OAK and 8 Daily SJC slots.
      However at this time Zero RON slots were available for any new or existing airlines.
      So all of WN slots were Turns with the first 2 mornings arrivals arriving immediately after the morning curfew at 07:00 scheduled in at 07:15 and 07:20. And 8:15 and 8:20 on Sunday morning. Last departures pushed at 21:30 & 21:45 just before the 22:00 departure curfew.
      Southwest at this time shared its gates with USair at Gate 1 and Northwest at gates 2 & 3.
      Both USair and Northwest had priority over their gates so if they were delayed WN would have to moved its flights to any available gate on either concourse.
      At the Time of The Morris Air Merger.
      Morris Air Sublease their 3 slots including 1 RON from Continental Airlines.

      1. Jason Avatar
        Jason

        In 1994 WN assumed these leased seats and slots allocations.
        At the time WN station manager acted as the liaison for WN HDQ when they held their annual Seat allocation for the next planned calendar year. The station manager not being Lawyer did quite understand the legal jargon of SNA seats allocation process.
        They assumed since Morris Air had a 5 year contract with Continental Airlines on the 3 slots They could trade in 2 slots for additional EE slots and they automatically get a RON slot. So on the outcome of the meeting Network Added PHX flight. Giving WN 6 SJC,6 OAK,2 SLC and 4 PHX. Flights.
        Well not even 48 hours after WN published and announced the new service.
        Continental Airlines who was just beginning a new codeshare agreement with America West Airlines who had SNA-PHX to themselves used the legal jargon to strip WN of its Morris Air agreement and leased those 3 Slots and 1 RON to America West.
        The Orange County airport Told WN to cease and stop flying SNA-PHX/SLC within 60 days.
        It riled Up Herb So much He Hoped on a private Jet with WN their main airport attorney Barry Brown. They walked into Orange County Courthouse file an injunction against the order and threatened to pull out of the airport entirely.
        The SNA airport lawyers laughed and said go ahead we has 5 more new entrants on the waiting list to take your place.
        Now Herb no fool he knew SNA-OAK/SJC were already the highest yielding inter California market for WN.

        1. Jason Avatar
          Jason

          So they went up the street to LGB at tried striking a Deal with LGB to allow them to use 737-200 in LGB beyond the up coming stricter noise limits the LGB HUSH lawsuits settlement and flight cap until 2000 when WN had plans to retire the 737-200.
          LGB Said NO.
          Herb said WN will not grow SNA it will remain at its 14 daily flight capacity.
          That lasted until Ron Ricks started overseeing SNA operations along with Barry Brown who became SNA very own legal counsel handling all things SNA.
          SNA was a money maker and that never were involved in any fare sales WN offed including the 29 Dollar on any flight after departing 7pm promotion.
          Ron finally talked Herb into asking for more seat allocations since SNA next million seat allocations increase favored WN being the Airport under dog.
          So WN was awarded 2 additional AA slots which it gave back to increase it to 4 EE slots. In a revenge move against America West and Continental WN went after HP most profitable route SNA-SMF.
          WN was killing HP on the market and needed and additional flights to finish them off.
          My self at this time work in Ops at SNA for WN I worked with the Late Bill Owen on the proposed flight schedule since SNA had a quarterly Gate allocation. They would send us a flight schedule and I’d see if it fit within the gate plot that United Airlines controlled being the lead carrier in our terminal.
          United Airlines would turn a 757 in a hour and 20 min the maximum SNA allowed for a turn just to keep WN off their gates. With a sublease WN of office space from Northwest airlines it houses its ramp and ops in the terminal vs being located down in offiice space at Signature Flight support. WN finally had permanent gate 2 as it primary gate.

          1. Jason Avatar
            Jason

            Now WN needed a 5th daily flight to SMF. At this time AA leased Slots to Reno Air for SNA-SJC service. Because WN didn’t have an additional RON slot We flew an extra SNA-SJC slots back to back in the morning inbound and outbound in the evening.
            SJC at the time was busting at the seems and these two repositioning flight where 60% full thanks to that blood bath with Reno Air.
            I took it Apon myself to fly up to SMF to see their new Engine Wash program WN was just starting at SMF. They said they had Room for 3 more aircraft every night but HDQ wasn’t ready to increase the number until the next calendar year.
            I called Bill told him hey we should drop the one of the Duel SJC flight and park it at SMF overnight giving WN an additional 5th daily SNA-SMF flight.
            Pete McGlade loved my proposal.
            At for my leg work I was allowed to Pick the Flight numbers for the new SNA-SMF flight.
            In bound was 2207 after my Grandfathers flying tiger employee number. The outbound was 1972 the year I was born.
            I got Must ride ticket to fly the first new morning flight and return flight on the first day of operation.

            1. Jason Avatar
              Jason

              9/11 bankruptcies
              Open up SNA to WN as everyone pulled back capacity it allowed WN to become the biggest airline at SNA grabbing up 20
              AA and 6 RON slots.
              Next came the Great Recession mergers and Failures further allowing WN to grab its 44 AA at 8 RON slots.
              At WN peak when nobody was asking for additional slots WN peaked at 72 daily flights at SNA.
              As the Economy turned around the leaner new fresh from bankruptcy reorganization and new airlines wanted into SNA .
              So this forced WN to drastically reduce service to its current levels.
              But this time around we had Andrew Watterson so he said hey let’s do Long Beach. To back fill SNA and also bolster LAX marketshare with its cheapest per flight operating costs in WN system.

              Long winded Morris Air was not the reason WN got into SNA.

            2. Brett Avatar

              Great background, thank you Jason.

            3. Matt D Avatar
              Matt D

              @ Jason.

              Thank you for the granular history lesson. See? Things going on behind the scenes where what’s visible is often completely wrong to us dork enthusiasts. I was never (still not) privy to those inner machinations. So I have to infer them.

              Sometimes I turned out to be right and other times I didn’t even hit the dartboard; it just flew right past it.

              Metaphor intended.

    3. Outer Space Guy Avatar
      Outer Space Guy

      > I think this has come up before and you or someone mentioned that they had a small subfleet of -300’s outfitted with extra belly tanks to give them extra range.

      They were the 737-301s and -401s. They were basically 737-300LRs and -400LRs. They had TVs in the aisles, and extra fuel tanks. I remember those birds well.

  2. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    Also re: LGB-there were at least three other startups I remember that served there and nowhere else in SoCal. SkyBus flew 727’s for a minute, SunJet flew MD-80’s (the only one I ever got a picture of) and Presidential flew A300’s.

    All were very short lived and all three are barely even footnotes in airline history. Everyone remembers the likes of PSA, Pan Am, and TWA.

    Nobody except dyed in the wool old fart airplane geeks like me remember those small failed upstarts.

    1. Exit Row Seat Avatar
      Exit Row Seat

      Another airline on the fringes of the LA basin was Reno Air.
      AA wanted to use it as a means to build West Coast coverage; didn’t work in the long run.

      1. Matt D Avatar
        Matt D

        As far as the 1990’s new starts go, Reno Air was one of the bigger and better well known ones.

        (As an aside, I’ve long posited that QQ was the original Midway reincarnated albeit in disguise since almost all of Midways assets-planes, management, people, vehicles, office supplies-even part of the branding-were all poured into Reno Air to get it off the ground.)

        They served LAX for the entirety of their existence. Were in three different terminals (6, 4, and 3, in that order). If memory serves correctly, they topped out at around 15X daily departures circa 1998. Not too shabby all things considered.

        Their first two MD-90’s were christened with “Orange County Flyer” titles.

        They served BUR once and were in and out of ONT twice.

        Unfortunately for them, the one thing they weren’t was profitable. They were all but certainly headed towards BK and liquidation had AA not stepped in. If they didn’t go under on their own, 9/11 would’ve definitely finished them off.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Matt D – Ok, so I’d heard of Sun Jet (which was around for awhile) and Presidential (which last about 5 minutes), but I have never heard of Skybus. I mean, I’ve heard of the 2008 version in CMH, but this is wild. Also, don’t forget WinAir.

      1. Matt D Avatar
        Matt D

        Ah yes. WinAir. I only ever saw them once and that was a -200 at Fresno.

        SkyBus was a very short lived oddity. I don’t even remember what route(s) they flew. And their color scheme wasn’t much. An all white 727 with just the SkyBus letters in the front in red and orange colors, a cheesy outline of sunglasses painted around the cockpit windows. And that was it. No cheatline and nothing on the tail. At least none that I remember.

        Timeline, also only approximate-maybe have been plus or minus a year, was mid 1993.

        1. Brett Avatar

          MAtt D – Good call on the year. Check it out, Houston and Kansas City…
          https://www.departedflights.com/FW050193p1.html

          1. Matt D Avatar
            Matt D

            Yeah that’s the one. That was one of those if you blinked, you missed them startups.

  3. Arubaman Avatar
    Arubaman

    Like Texas, not much Delta presence. Overlay Delta’s LAX burgeoning growth and now there is true dominance, outside SFO. Mr. Dunn has been correct all along that if, somehow, United and American get together, Delta will acquire Southwest. The domestic network of the combined carriers, in full-size jets, is breathtaking.
    Prior to Covid, Southwest would have been the acquiring carrier, but Elliott changed that. A closer look at Southwest’s balance sheet reveals the damage. Elliott has taken billions out of Southwest. Everyone thinks they are gone, but they remain, quiet for now. A Delta acquisition would be their “cherry on top” exit strategy.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Can you show some proof of Elliott’s moves? To be fare, sucking value out of companies are what private equity firms like Elliott specialize in.

      1. Arubaman Avatar
        Arubaman

        Let’s start with $2.9 billion in stock buybacks to goose the stock price. Let’s add another $1.5 billion in “special dividends.” Toss approximately $800 million more in aircraft sales and subsequent leasebacks. How about the fuel hedging program they killed? How many billions has that cost Southwest this year? This has been a cash extraction unseen in the industry since the days of Lorenzo and Icahn. Just the items I listed above have reduced Southwest’s balance sheet by over $5 billion. Despite its Christmas 2022 meltdown (which Southwest made everyone whole) and the effects of Covid, Southwest still had more assets than liabilities. Today, it has more debt than assets, despite operating profitably. Elliott pumped LUV from around $28 per share up to $54. They have sold repeatedly, between approximately $50 to $40 per share. And they still own approximately 5% of LUV, as far as I know. A sale of Southwest would again pump the stock, as a parting gift. If you’re skeptical, read up on how Elliott raped and terminated Cabella’s in a sale to Bass Pro Shops. It literally turned a thriving Nebraska town into a ghost town.

        1. SEAN Avatar
          SEAN

          Thanks. It wasn’t personal, I just don’t except loose statements from anyone at face value. And yes, there’s a lot there to unpack.

          1. Arubaman Avatar
            Arubaman

            No worries, Sean. Everyone’s attention has been on changes to Southwest’s product. The money being hauled out the back door has been overlooked and under-reported.

  4. DesertGhost Avatar
    DesertGhost

    How is this possible, given that Southwest has no seat back TV sets on its aircraft? LOL

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      The article described many of WN’s buildups in the 1980s and 90s, when seat back TVs are far less common or expected. Even nowadays, I find TVs less-than-necessary for hour-long in-state flights.

      1. DesertGhost Avatar
        DesertGhost

        @SandyCreek, I’m well aware of the history. I was around back then. I was trying to be a bit facetious (not sarcastic) – which is a bit tough to convey in writing. Southwest’s California presence is remarkable, to say the least, and Brett captures it well. Note that he mentioned that Southwest’s first foray into California was in 1983, with flights to Phoenix and Las Vegas. That was about a year before America West began flying. Living in the Phoenix area, I know/knew a number of people who worked for America West (and Southwest for that matter) and/or still work for American or Southwest (including Celinda Levno, the American Airlines flight attendant who was murdered in downtown Denver while on a layover). I know this comment is a bit off topic, so I’ll end here.

        1. SandyCreek Avatar
          SandyCreek

          I do apologize for that, should’ve caught it there.

          1. DesertGhost Avatar
            DesertGhost

            @SandyCreek, There’s absolutely nothing to apologize for.

    2. 1990 Avatar
      1990

      Bahaha. Good one.

  5. spotter LGB Avatar
    spotter LGB

    JetBlue only left LGB with City Council did
    Not let build a FIS for customs. City leaders did not want Intl airport to happen, fearing 747s to Japan at 3AM. which was not going to happen. Hence Jetblue finally had enough of LGB, and left.

  6. John Edmondson Avatar
    John Edmondson

    You might recall that when HP (Happy Passenger) announced its PHX hub, WN (We Never) started making its presence felt. I don’t remember if WN was in ONT when HP started flying there. But the $9 fare war (including booze) was kicked off by WN to build its presence in the PHX ONT market. Those were the days

  7. Exit Row Seat Avatar
    Exit Row Seat

    Note that the LA Basin was nurtured by the original low cost carriers (Air Cal, PSA, Hughes, etc). As these were absorbed, WN became the default carrier for these short hops along the West Coast and further east.
    My concern is WN has significantly upped its game (domestic 1st class, assigned seating, lounges, aspirations of TALT service) and corresponding operating costs. WN is no longer a LCC. They are just as expensive as DL, UA, or AA. Southwest has moved itself up to the Next Three bracket (B6, AS, & WN) in service, costs, and fares.
    The only thing keeping Breeze out of the basin is its churn rate of routes. I feel Neeleman is pumping the top & bottom line in anticipation of an IPO. Past that, Breeze needs to become grounded in its routes and level of service; therefore, more predictable & more attractive to develop repeat customers. The LA Basin is a great opportunity if Breeze was willing to put up a fight! It needs to think the long game as it moves out of its Freshmen mindset.

  8. CactusJ Avatar
    CactusJ

    San Jose has now exceeded OAK for the # of WN departures for the first time.

    2011-2018 was the golden age for WN flights from the Bay Area to SoCal (and Vegas). Youncould buy a one way flight for less than $100 10 minutes before departure.

  9. Juan Carlos Forero Avatar
    Juan Carlos Forero

    Wonder if the differential on price is still a WN thing.. you mentioned $29 fares to surprise competitors… every time I look at WN for the last 5 years or so, the final fare on WN is the same fare at in other legacy carriers… probably in California the differential is convenience of airport and times, whereas in Atlanta, and other stations that is not the case.. CRANKY: Can you check if the prices are really better to fly WN between secondary airports vs. legacy carriers from the big airports?

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      I am not Cranky himself and have not lived in the LA basin, but given that ONT is 55 miles away from LAX and SNA 40, proximity to the airport has got to be a product of significant appeal.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Juan Carlos – No it’s not. That got Southwest the love and devotion of Southern Californians, but now it’s the schedule and options from nearby airports that keeps people flying. The prices are very high.

      1. SEAN Avatar
        SEAN

        Don’t you mean LUV Brett?

  10. Jack R Avatar
    Jack R

    They also dominate SAN, with 138 flights on peak days.

  11. David SF eastbay Avatar
    David SF eastbay

    When Southwest first started Burbank-Oakland they offered a free ticket if you flew the route roundtrip and got a stamp put on a special card for both flights. I usually flew from LAX to Oakland, but used Burbank for that free ticket offer which was later used to fly to New Orleans.

  12. SANbagger Avatar
    SANbagger

    A focus on Southwest’s dominance of SoCal, without an info graphic on SAN?!? What did we do to deserve that? Where is the LUV? Was it bitterness over the last Padres vs. D-Backs series? Seriously, I would like to know the history of the PSA to AS vs WN days in a big colorful chart.

  13. Brett Avatar

    SANbagger – Didn’t do LAX either in this round! This was about secondary airports, so if they start up Carlsbad… ;)

    But also, yes, I am very bitter about that series but I’m more bitter about how terrible the Giants are and how they can’t even be bothered to win a damn game against you punks.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Yankees rule!

  14. Andy Avatar
    Andy

    Wait Tim Dunn has told me multiple times that DL dominates everyone in SoCal. Is he wrong? (again)

  15. JT8D Avatar
    JT8D

    Departing seats is probably a better metric. Using departures makes, say, ExpressJet look more significant than it was at ONT. Though you still have to correct for increased load factor. ONT is seeing close to record passengers despite the much smaller number of flights.

    Burbank, it turns out, was an incredibly bad airport for a base for Avelo. It opens at 7am and closes at 10pm – your aircraft have to be home by then (if you’re a ULCC like Avelo). It was a very poor choice by Avelo. By comparison, Allegiant figured out how to operate a decent number of flights thru SNA despite similar curfews – inside turns through other destinations from LAS. So, LAX-XXX-SNA etc.

    1. Brett Avatar

      JT8D – It would be a better metric, but seats aren’t in the data for more than a decade, so when I go way back, I have to use departures.

  16. Jaymanlb Avatar
    Jaymanlb

    A masterclass in SoCal airline strategy, Brett. Just missing one tiny historical footnote: a quote from a local airline blogger circa 2015 who was convinced Southwest would never bother with LGB because LAX and SNA were enough. Who was that guy again? ? It’s okay, we’ll let you enjoy the dominance anyway!

    1. Brett Avatar

      Jaymanlb – That was me! And proud. I was very surprised when Southwest wanted to go in. The required pulldown in SNA definitely made a difference.

  17. Tory Avatar

    Brett: I’m a regular HOU-LGB flier. With the revamped terminal, do you think there’s any appetite to add more slots/capacity to LGB? I get the impression the City is pretty proud of the airport and all the nonstops SWA provides (and *nobody* wants to go to LAX if they can avoid it!). We only get one nonstop a day, but there really should be 2-3. I feel like SWA would love to connect LGB to much more of the country (and more frequently) if they had the option.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Tory – I don’t think that’s likely in the cards. Southwest gave up 5 slots earlier this year. It seems happy with less flying.

      1. Tory Avatar

        That’s unfortunate :-( I really don’t get it. Such a great airport – so small and convenient! And less pricey than SNA. And I gotta think it’s got it’s own draw zone population of at least 2+ million where it’s at least if not more convenient than LAX or SNA. Any idea why it’s not more popular?

        1. Brett Avatar

          Tory – Well, historically the catchment area hasn’t been as appealing as LAX or SNA. Fares were terribly low at JetBlue, though Southwest has clearly made huge progress in that regard. Some of it may be that history just causing wariness, but if the results keep up, Southwest will try more I’d assume. The reality is that Long Beach has a better catchment now. The redevelopment of the old Douglas property has brought a ton of high-paying jobs into what they’re now calling Space Beach. Corporates have relocated to the area. So there may be more opportunity in the future. It’s just not there yet.

  18. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    SoCal is weird in that it has many population centers amidst miles and miles and miles of urban sprawl. It doesn’t fit into the legacy carriers’ hub/spoke system to connect them to the cities in NorCal. Southwest was able to fill the void and it seems to be my impression of them is – high frequency short routes. Southwest doesn’t dominate the two busiest airports, but they dominate everything else from there to the small regional airports (CLD, MRY, PSP, STS, ACV, etc).

    NYC has three airports, but they are equally accessible for most of the metro area (though suburban people tend to stay on their side of the Hudson)
    DC might the closest thing to SoCal outside the state with three airports in the metro areas, but they all seem to serve very different purposes.

    1. EasyMoney Avatar
      EasyMoney

      Southwest doesn’t fly to CLD, MRY, or ACV, has the smallest presence at PSP, and significantly trails Alaska at STS. Did you miss a negative there?

      United and Alaska are able to provide much more service to those small airports through their regional partners. A 737 is way too much plane for ACV. While Southwest dominates (e.g.) SAN on seats and departures, Alaska actually offers more nonstop destinations

      1. southbay flier Avatar
        southbay flier

        It should have been everything from the two largest through the small regional airports.

      2. FrequentWanderer Avatar
        FrequentWanderer

        in no metric does WN dominate anything at PSP. Please cite your source for this wild pronouncement. You can pick whatever metric you want (ASMs, RPMs, departure count, RON count, D0, A15, gate usage time, maintenance facility use, nonstop destination count, 1-stop destination count) Maybe mishandled bags??

        And if you just meant NorCal to PSP, well, UA and AS would like a word. WN has 1x daily service from SMF, yes, but NO year-round nonstop from SJC, OAK, or SFO. AS and UA have multiple nonstops year-round from SFO, which most in NorCal would say dominates a 1x SMF.

        WN is in PSP ONLY because they didn’t know where else to send planes during the pandemic. I remain surprised that they haven’t pulled out.

  19. Exit Row Seat Avatar
    Exit Row Seat

    Another reason WN dominates the LA Basin is the erratic nature of the current flock of ULCC airlines (Breeze, Avelo, Allegiant, Frontier, etc).
    None are willing to make a long term stand; airport churn is their middle name.
    Therefore, the rest of the airlines can fight over the Basin with minimal interference from these ULCC.

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