American to Bring Back In Seat Video Just As It Finishes Removing the Last One


American’s transition to a premium airline took another very big step forward today as it has decided to reverse course. Not only will the airline be bringing back in-seat video on the domestic mainline fleet — eventually — but it is also going to add more extra legroom seating.

This move to put screens in each seat is symbolically very important, even if the timing is rather odd. After all, the airline is just now getting around to removing the screens from its final pre-merger A319s, the last narrowbodies that had them. US Airways had no screens, but American did, and as we all know, the new American adopted the US Airways strategy.

American had stuck to that plan to be a lower-cost, lower-frills network carrier for years. As financial results continued to sag, it finally changed its tune, suddenly deciding it wanted to be a premium network airline like Delta and United. It has already made some moves in that regard, pouring money into lounges, improving coffee and liquor, and refitting some narrowbodies with more premium seats. But nothing is going to be as visible as adding back in-seat video.

I’ve talked about this over the years, and originally, I didn’t see a need for seatback screens on domestic flights. But over time, I waffled, and to this day, I still waffle. But increasingly I see the value. It is a much more premium look and feel for travelers. Boarding an American aircraft is a stark reminder that sitting in coach on that airline feels more like flying Frontier than it does flying United, Delta, or JetBlue. Screens have become the most visible sign that you are flying on a full-service airline.

Obviously the goal is to justify the screens by gaining share, personalizing the experience, and improving revenue… all that good stuff. But there is a monetization angle as well that Delta and United have pursued. Free wifi gets the airline your data, and then there’s a screen right in front of you which the airlines can use to advertise whatever they want. This hasn’t been wildly successful yet, but we are just scratching the surface. United has set up Kinective to do that work. American will soon learn, if it hasn’t already, that adding seatback screens is now a whole lot more than just putting a screen on a seat.

But listen, I want to temper your excitement. Don’t expect to see this on your airplane tomorrow. The release says that new deliveries won’t even see seatback screens until 2028. Retrofits were somewhat less clear, but I get the feeling 2028 is the timeline on those as well. And when will it be done? “Early next decade” is what American says about the entire mainline narrowbody fleet. That is very far away. What I don’t know is how that will be phased in.

For example, the A320 fleet is down to only 48 aircraft, and 44 of those are more than 20 years old. (The newest of the other four is 16.) With such a long timeline for installation, I think it’s safe to bet this fleet won’t get the screens before it retires. So is it possible most of the fleet will be done quickly, but there will just be some quirky outliers until retirements are done in the early 2030s? Maybe, but I did not hear back from American with an answer.

Beyond adding back screens, American is also going to add more premium seats onboard. What that means isn’t entirely clear. We do know that American says about 25 percent of its narrowbody seats today are premium (meaning extra legroom coach or better), and that number will climb to 40 percent.

Some of this comes in the form of already-announced retrofits to existing aircraft like the A319s and A320s. We will also see what I expect to be an extra row of First Class added to the A321neo fleet, raising it from 20 to 24. The airline has also now confirmed that the B737-10 MAX will have 24 First Class seats when that airplane shows up.

American is also going to fix a long-standing problem by adding more Main Cabin Extra seating to its fleet. The details weren’t given at all, but the release did say the airline would be “retrofitting the majority of the narrowbody fleet to expand the number of MCE seats.”

This has been a problem for ages. Look at the A321neos. Everyone has 20 in First Class, but American has only 35 in Main Cabin Extra while United has 57 in Economy Plus and Delta puts 60 in Delta Comfort. Or look at the B737-800 where everybody has 16 in First Class. In Main Cabin Extra, American has 24 while Delta has 36 in Delta Comfort and most of United’s fleet has 54 in Economy Plus.

So yes, American is again playing catch-up to the other airlines it wants to emulate. This requires spending a fair bit of cash on putting all-new seats onboard, and there will presumably be fewer seats overall thanks to these expanding premium cabins. That is a big change in strategy.

But for now, American is still just paying the price of admission. It’s necessary and helpful, but I’m really waiting for the eventual timeframe when American starts innovating on its own instead of just copying everyone else.

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72 responses to “American to Bring Back In Seat Video Just As It Finishes Removing the Last One”

  1. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    So is it safe to say the Oasis initiative was really a Mirage?

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Perhaps. I’m surprised they aren’t bringing back lazerdisc players & turntables for additional entertainment options beyond the screens themselves.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        Video by Zune…

    2. haolenate Avatar
      haolenate

      great, that’s going to be their next new project name.. “MIRAGE” – to make it look like you have more room than you really do….

  2. SandyCreek Avatar
    SandyCreek

    What’s the best innovation opportunity that AA has? As someone who now flies some transcon, I feel like American has stopped capitalizing on the (free!) domestic meal service in Econ they run for a long time. Small as the market is, I would like to see them invest more in inflight food service, both in newer snacks and for-purchase meals on shorter flights, and complimentary ones on longer flights.

  3. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    Perhaps after reintroducing seatback screens, they could add lazerdisc players or even turntables for even more entertainment options/s.

  4. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    More Room Throughout Coach ?

    1. David M Avatar

      It didn’t work the first time. United responded to MRTC by introducing Economy Plus. While MRTC sounds better to the consumer (“more room for everyone” vs “more room for people who will pay for it”), the problem was that people still shopped by price, and so American couldn’t charge more for MRTC than United, Delta, Continental, Northwest, and US Airways did for regular legroom economy. With Economy Plus, United is able to trade the loss of seats by charging more for the extra legroom seats, or at the very least wave it in front of frequent travelers as a loyalty perk. Whereas all American did was cut their potential revenue by having fewer seats to sell, that they can’t charge more for.

  5. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    Only tangentially related, but I take it that the 319 and 320 are falling out of favor, kind of like how if it wasn’t for Southwest, the MAX7 probably would’ve been sent to the scrap heap (which I was expecting)?

    That seems to be a curious gap in the market. There is, at least empirical observation on my part, little to no demand for planes in the 90-150 seat, give or take market, which all three of those fall squarely into.

    The Jungle Jet is what? A 78 seater? That one is a huge hit. After that, demand for anything doesn’t really pick up until you get to right around the 175 and up size. That’s where the MAX 8, 9, and 10 and the 321 enter the picture.

    And then demand drops off again leaving another hole right around the 200-250 mark, which is where the 757 was and the 787-8 is. Also, two planes that have mostly fallen out of favor.

    And it picks up again at 275 and up.

    Gone is the variety.

    I get that it’s about “economics”. But can someone give me a little more granular explanation on what specific aspects of economics favor almost the entirety of the worlds airline fleet falling into just three sizes?

    Anyway, I know that most of this isn’t really germane to the main topic. And for straying, I apologize. But since you kind of mentioned it in passing, I was just wondering.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      Trip cost vs seat cost. The trip cost is about the same whether the plane is a ~120-130 seater vs ~180. The pilots are still mainline rates and maybe only need 1 more FA. So you can spread the costs over many more seats

      There is probably also an element of the industry competing less on schedule than in the past, so frequency, which requires smaller gauge, is less preferred vs the better unit economics

    2. John D Garner Avatar
      John D Garner

      First consider the restriction between regionals and mainline. Most of the airlines have a limit clause so that the regional pilots (and usually FAs also), and for most it’s 76. So there is a big cost increase for a plane with 80-100 seats. This is also the same for lots of other airlines around the world.

      Meanwhile the low cost guys want as many seats as they can get. The bigger the narrow body the better.

      As a result, the demand for medium-small jets with capacity of 100-140 seats collapsed for a while. And Airbus and Boeing didn’t try to develop planes for that market. So we were left with the 76-seat planes, and the smallest of the 737/320 families. But the smaller models of those are not as efficient per seat.

      But there is still a hole in available planes in that range, and we are seeing now that there are still many routes where those would be profitable. We are starting to see planemakers fill that segment now, with the E195, the 221, and we are going to see the Max 7 also.

      1. Alex Hill Avatar
        Alex Hill

        I think the strength of the mainline pilot scope causes is unusual to the US and Canada. I think airlines elsewhere have more flexibility to have pilot pay scales which make 80-150 seat aircraft work. But of course without North American demand it’s harder for an airplane to make sense for Boeing/Airbus/Embraer to develop.

        Now in some sense it’s ridiculous for pilot pay to be tied to the size of the aircraft; it’s not like the skill or training required to operate a 76 or 100 seat aircraft is dramatically different from that to operate a 190 seat aircraft.

    3. Therealsean Avatar
      Therealsean

      What nobody has mentioned yet is the additional capacity is necessary to capture basic customers. If you don’t have basic, maybe you only sell 140 seats, so a 155 seat a320 makes a lot of sense, but with basic, now you get 20-30 more passengers so you naturally need a bigger gauge. This was Scott Kirby’s primary argument for upgauging with United next was basic requires upgauging and United’s narrow body fleet didn’t have enough seats to properly take spill back from the ULCCs. While I think pilot pay and “cost convergence” was the number 1 reason Spirit collapsed, upgauged jets is the number 2 reason. If you’re a price sensitive customer and you have a choice of similar price between delta / United and spirit, you’d probably choose the legacy bc you know they are better able to take care of you when something goes wrong. Seat costs and casm are all still important, but you don’t have such an emphasis on large jets without basic economy.

  6. See_Bee Avatar
    See_Bee

    This is clearly admitting defeat after pounding the table for the last decade that TVs were not important. Zero foresight from management on not only the premium positioning but also the ability to monetize – UA & DL nailed this one

    Why shouldn’t heads roll at AA HQ for this? (More than what Cranky detailed yesterday) I recall Dougie was a big proponent for getting rid of TVs, but surely there are others. Not only has this set AA back in current financial performance, but it’s going to continue into the 2030s until the retrofit is complete

    1. flyingcat Avatar
      flyingcat

      If AA had a competent board they would realize that current leadership has no clue how to run a premium airline.

      This is not the first quarter they’ve underperformed compared to AA and UA. Their entire ethos of this management, was to cut and compete with Spirit, Frontier and Southwest and keep a modest amount of flying in premium markets. A massive error in planning and positioned AA poorly in the market. This is not the first error, many in the business knew their crazy positioning against agencies was insanely dumb but their ego and hubris led to a key loss. Now they are shifting only to save face and their behinds.

  7. emac Avatar
    emac

    Next up: wholesale policy changes plus huge buyouts to take out apathetic front line employees, and huge technology investments to make the app and website serviceable.

    To the question of “how could they actually innovate,” that’s a really hard one. Maybe intentionally make AAdvantage more valuable for earning and redemption than the DL or UA programs.

  8. Exit Row Seat Avatar
    Exit Row Seat

    Most PAX have their own phones or laptops and parents bing tables for their kids. Would have been a lot less expensive to follow the Southwest model which streams a select group of movies, TV shows, etc, for free to your device. You would still need to watch an ad before the entertainment begins. Most domestic flights are just over two hours long anyway.
    Save the IFE for the wide body jets and domestic 1st.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      That’s what AA management has been claiming for the last decade, but it hasn’t translated into financial results

      WN competes in a slightly different segment of being a “low-cost” domestic carrier and has their customers trained on low frills. AA has a higher cost structure, so they need to chase more premium revenue than WN, which requires things like TVs. There’s a high correlation between people willing to pay premium fares and needing amenities like TVs – not having them cheapens the perception of the product

      1. Oliver Avatar
        Oliver

        > That’s what AA management has been claiming for the last decade,
        > but it hasn’t translated into financial results

        Causation or correlation?

        1. See_Bee Avatar
          See_Bee

          I’d argue it’s one of many variables that point to causation. Across fleet, network, product (etc.) strategies, AA has taken a different approach from UA & DL despite having a similar cost & asset structure to them:

          -AA has been a more RJ/NB-focused, sun belt hub carrier focusing on domestic traffic
          -UA & DL by contrast have maintained larger WB fleets with strong interior AND coastal hubs providing geographic balance with more emphasis on international

    2. southbay filer Avatar
      southbay filer

      I like having a screen so that I can watch something while doing something on my laptop. When stuck in Y, it’s nice to not put down my tray table just to watch my laptop or hold my phone.

      Not having screens is a sign of being cheap these days. B6 has had them for over 2 decades now.

      1. Exit Row Seat Avatar
        Exit Row Seat

        @southbay flier @Sea_Bee
        I think PAX would be more excited if AA could develop a reputation for being the On Time airline. All the bells & whistles mean nothing if the flight is delayed or canceled ? due to the lack of a replacement FA or FO. As an example, most airlines recovered way before WN in the winter storm of 2022 just because of penny pinching . Give a clear mandate to all to AA VPs and SVPs and rank & file that their livelihood depends on getting PAX to their destination on time. That includes facilities, software, dispatch, airframes, etc.
        Either that, or watch a bunch of movies while sitting on the tarmac for hours on end.

        1. southbay flier Avatar
          southbay flier

          Those two are not mutually exclusive. DL has had screens and they also developed a reputation for being on time and not cancelling. That was true until recently when it’s fallen apart while they seem too obsessed with “premium” instead of the nuts and bolts of running a transportation company.

  9. Eric Morris Avatar
    Eric Morris

    Most importantly, it better include a cool map tracking option! And one-up Scott by creating a channel 9 ATC option.

  10. John G Avatar
    John G

    As a high end AA elite, I love the increased number of seats in first…the 319 really sucks as first accounts for only 6% of the seats on the plane, and it’s usually really difficult to upgrade. Glad to see it. That said, is it really going to be profitable to have more rows of main cabin extra?

    It’s been my experience, and on all airlines not just American, that those seats are always the last to fill on the plane. They first go to elites getting them for free, with just a smattering of people actually paying for them. Then they are filled with standby passengers or basic economy people that didn’t reserve a seat.

    I don’t think the revenue they get from these seats is going to be significant.

    But if they are thinking that they need these seats for people who pay larger coach fares? I’m down. If they have more of them available for me when I buy an (expensive) last minute coach seat, instead of sticking me in a middle seat way in the back surrounded by people who paid a third of what I did? That would matter, as in that moment they are competing with DL and UA for my ticket.

    1. Gorgle Avatar
      Gorgle

      Can confirm that the basic economy ticket with no seat selection is a half decent shot to get an upgrade. In the last year I’ve gotten extra space seats on UA, WN (with alcoholic drink included!), and an exit row on F9.

    2. Jason Avatar
      Jason

      Elites aren’t getting them for “free”, but rather in recognition of the revenue they’ve directed to AA vs competitors (whether but-in seat or CC spend). And, yes, there are people “of height” that will pay for these seats as well.

    3. John Selden Avatar
      John Selden

      You’re not wrong, John G, but I’m not quite on board with you. I’m retired now, fly less, but fly up front a much higher percentage of the time, 75% of the time with my wife and 25% solo. When I’m not up front, I’m in the extra leg room section of Y. At 78 inches, unless the flight is less than 60 minutes, I just can’t and won’t sit all the way back there.

    4. Wany Avatar
      Wany

      I had the same observation as you in the past. I have not paid for Y+ out of pocket myself as I found the price oftentimes more expensive than my ticket and difficulty to justify. However, anecdotally, I noticed that available Y+ seats before check in time has reduced a lot in the past few years indicating more people are paying for it.

  11. CLT Flyer Avatar
    CLT Flyer

    “Screens have become the most visible sign that you are flying on a full-service airline.”

    I am in a captive AA market (CLT), and despite being a lifelong Flying Blue Platinum member and Delta Million Miler, I have been “forced” to fly AA almost exclusively since 2015.

    I have never understood the fascination with the seatback screens. Full service is long loooooong gone. Every amenity that can make your travel a tiny bit more attractive will cost ya across all “full service” airlines. I have been using the AA wifi connected option when I wanted it (most of my flights are under 1 or 2 hours). It has worked fine and I have not missed the seat back screens.

    For me, the most visible signs I am flying a full-service airline would be the quality of the seats (even the basic seat should be a step up from ULCC’s), the food on offer (both the free snacks/food as well as the food-for-purchase, which I am not against if it offers you access to more/better options), a rewards program that offers markedly better benefits than competitive products, and a general move away from nickel-and-diming everything. One can only dream…

    1. Oliver Avatar
      Oliver

      I have, for a long time now, argued that I can carry on my own IFE (and have brought MP4 video players with ripped DVDs since before iPads and a Netflix streaming was invented).

      What I cannot carry on is a comfortable seat and to some degree (longer flight) edible and semi-healthy food.

      I mean, there are some that argue they need a IFE video screen to “watch” something while “working” on their laptop. Seems like a pretty expensive hard product upgrade to accommodate that “multi tasking” habit.

  12. sunviking82 Avatar
    sunviking82

    Let remember AA does and have innovated in the past and recent past too:

    First with premium lounges = Flagship
    First with lounges = Admirals Clubs
    First with high speed wifi and equiping RJ with satalite wifi
    First in the US with Premium Economy
    First with a frequent flyer program
    on and on

    While AA has fallen into third (and I would say have been there for a while) over the years they have lead the pack, but not recently. I am glad to see the investment (they are my hometown hub carrier) and sometimes following the leader isn’t always bad when all three are huge.

    BTW. . .AA still leads with FC food, now if BYOB could expand. . .

    1. Bevvy Avatar
      Bevvy

      Are you related to Tim D?

    2. southbay flier Avatar
      southbay flier

      Pan Am was first in many aviation feats over the years. It didn’t get them beyond 1991 though.

      It’s all about what you are today and they made some serious mistakes that have turned off some high paying customers.

      1. FrequentWanderer Avatar
        FrequentWanderer

        so well said!
        Sears & Roebuck did a lot of amazing things, too. Until they stopped doing amazing things

    3. W Scott Moyer Avatar
      W Scott Moyer

      Two innovations you missed — ask Vasu Raja how his innovation went! And AA innovated when they first removed the seatback screens –these innovations didn’t work out but they are still innovations!

    4. David M Avatar

      Define high speed wifi. Hawaiian was the first major airline to offer Starlink.

  13. DesertGhost Avatar
    DesertGhost

    Now. all of the naysayers can complain that American isn’t doing enough to reduce its debt. I must say (write) that your commentaries are both fairer and more nuanced than most of your contemporaries.

    Question: How many years ago did American order the seats and the other items used for the latest cabin refreshes? What was the marketplace like back then? Companies can’t simply snap their corporate fingers and change everything in a few days or weeks. It’s easy to be a critic when one has the advantage of 20/20 hindsight. It’s a lot harder to anticipate what the marketplace will look like in the future. We all make mistakes. I know I do. If I had a dollar for every mistake I’ve made in my 77 years on the planet, I’d make Warren Buffet look like a pauper.

    Theodore Roosevelt summed it up when he observed, “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, **who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming** …”

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      Looks like the first Oasis retrofit rolled out in 2019 and was first mentioned in ~2017. It’s true that the “premium wave” has gained momentum post-COVID, but Delta had already been moving that way for quite some time through the 2010s. UA announced “United Next” in 2021, so AA has waited 5 years to respond…

      https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-project-oasis-a321-enters-service/

      1. DesertGhost Avatar
        DesertGhost

        @See_Bee,

        Delta’s management made the right call. But interestingly, Delta’s former CEO Richard Anderson, on a recent Airlines Confidential podcast, stated that he was more focused on operational reliability than on TV sets in those days. My point was that those who criticize and praise particular decisions now have the benefit of 20’20 hindsight. Those people didn’t have that luxury. And… there are no guarantees that the marketplace won’t shift again. Only time will tell.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Ghost – I’ve seen that TR quote so many times, and it is twisted and overused. If you make a valiant, well-planned, and sensible effort, then that’s when this quote is appropriate. But so many mediocre executives with bad plans like to use this quote to defend their bad plans. It doesn’t matter if you make an effort. A bad effort is worse than none. And we’ve seen a lot of bad efforts.

      1. DesertGhost Avatar
        DesertGhost

        @Brett

        I could be wrong, but I really think American’s management did make a well-planned and sensible effort given the time frame in which the decisions were made and the information that was available to them. It wasn’t all that long ago that ULCCs were quite profitable. I’m not qualified to make definitive statements on management mistakes or judge the relative competence of airline managers. As I mentioned in my original comment, you tend to be more balanced and nuanced in your criticism than most of your colleagues.

        Again, my only points were these: Many critics are going to find something to criticize just for the sake of being critical. Most people who criticize others’ decisions have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. The decision makers didn’t have that luxury. And everyone makes mistakes – even me. There’s also ample evidence that smart people can draw the wrong conclusions from history.

        Again, congratulations on 20 years of this blog.

        1. Brett Avatar

          Ghost – If we were talking about this a decade ago, I might agree with you. At that time, it wasn’t as blatantly obvious that this was a bad strategy. But ULCCs have been in trouble for more than six years. The results were pretty clear for United. I still think what Vasu Raja did at American was a result of the airline not being willing on the CEO/BOD level to invest in the airline. Vasu was very creative and came up with ideas on how to close the margin gap. The NEA with JetBlue was a great idea. Others were not. But he was trying to work within the confines provided by his boss. So I do put blame at the top for not recognizing the problems earlier.

      2. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        Brett what an excellent distinction on the TR quote, bravo!

    3. 1990 Avatar
      1990

      I’m impressed that DesertGhost withheld is typical ‘and you’ve been CEO of how many…’ one-liner.

      I’m also impressed that American Airlines is actually prioritizing IFE/AVOD and more MCE. It’s as if they’ve listened to the actual passengers, not merely the banks or shareholders, for once. (Delta and United better watch out; with the complimentary WiFi and IFE screens, Big 3 all gonna ‘feel’ very similar. Then we can just judge on price, schedule, and reliability.)

      1. DesertGhost Avatar
        DesertGhost

        @1990

        I only use that line when it’s warranted – when people criticize others merely for the sake of criticizing, and when they couch those criticisms as fact instead of opinions. Brett doesn’t do those kinds of things.

        1. 1990 Avatar
          1990

          Noted. (Yes, and it is *mostly* opinions on the comment sections of these various sites. Very strongly held opinions.)

          Indeed, Brett is a class-act.

  14. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    Is AA’s BOD comprised of Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp? So first they approve the expenditure to remove the TV’s and now they have approved putting them back in?

  15. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    this all just simply shows how important it is to have strategic consistency; UA started following a lot of DL’s strategies ten years ago and they are close – but not fully there – on most of the things they set out to do, including AVOD on all mainline aircraft and fleetwide WiFi.

    AA simply chased the wrong strategies and were slow, like WN, at recognizing that they needed to pivot. WN is slowly clawing its way back up in earnings and will fine tune just as AA will.

    It is also worth noting that nowhere has AA said they will put AVOD on RJs – so I am sure they will not; AA operates a higher percentage of its network on RJs than any other airilne so adding AVOD “fleetwide” only gets you so far given the huge RJ fleet.

    1. GS in PDX Avatar
      GS in PDX

      Does AA have a strategy at all? That is the real question that needs to be answered here. And, from all the analysis of AA I have seen, and reading many of the comments about them in recent posts, they do not appear to. If they are going to try to continue to be one of the ‘Big 3’, they need to define what that looks like. Where is AA going? What does it want to achieve? Trying to play catchup is a very costly game, and will continue to get more so as time goes on. As Brett said…. “American is still just paying the price of admission.” But, admission to what? Is that how you want to define yourself?

      WN managed for years to differentiate themselves from the ‘Big 3’ by having some unique products on offer – free bags, no seat fees, etc. Those are gone now thanks to some corporate raiders, and now WN looks like it is trying to assimilate into the ‘Big 3’ for the benefit of Wall St. At some point in the next few years, based on these changes and their continual growth, the ‘Big 3’ will have to be re-named the ‘Big 4’ – maybe in 2027, but more likely in 2028 IMHO. Is this a good thing for them? Not from the standpoint of ‘why would I fly WN? They are just like all the others now….’ (consumer viewpoint, although I know many were happy when they went to assigned seats and organized boarding groups).

      I know that the airline industry is tough, and margins are razor thin. But, why do you want to try to play catch-up to DL and UA? Why try to be like everyone else? I guess that is just where the money is right now, and how you keep the stockholders satisfied. Perhaps the fortress hubs of DFW, MIA, CLT and PHL will help them to just carry on.

      Maybe they have a visionary leader in their leadership ranks and/or board room who is ready to step up and define the future of the airline….

  16. George Nathan Romey Avatar
    George Nathan Romey

    The writing is on the wall. We might not return to the 1970s but we will go back to the 1980s when the lower half of population could not afford to fly. As proven $49 fares will only get an airline into bankruptcy. The airline can’t make it up on ancillary revenue or the idea that you can make up for a lost per seat sold by selling more seats. Math is math.

    To that end, people will want more comfort and be willing to spend for a better experience whether an E+ product or buying up to Premium. Even people that will only fly 1-2 times a year. There are plenty of people with disposable income that aren’t into flying 3-5 times a month. These people are also prime candidates for a co branded credit card.

    Even the ULCCs are becoming more like legacies.

    1. O'Hare Is My Second Home Avatar
      O’Hare Is My Second Home

      Excellent. Let’s go back as far as possible and get rid of the dregs from our planes and our airports. The first thing to do is go beyond premium-heavy planes to all-premium. What I want is a revival of UA’s Businessman Specials that they used to run between Chicago and Noo Yawk. Smoking, steak dinners, and no female passengers. That’s my ideal of plane travel.

      1. Stormcrash Avatar
        Stormcrash

        Wow, elitist and sexist, what a combo

        1. O'Hare Is My Second Home Avatar
          O’Hare Is My Second Home

          Hey, I’m a gay white male member of the elite. Why should I hide it?

        2. David C Avatar
          David C

          There was a lot of satirical wit in that post.
          The kind we were able to enjoy in the Johnny Carson days.
          Bravo to ORD is my second home for applying it to air travel.

  17. Kenneth Avatar
    Kenneth

    Interesting that nobody seems to realize this is about ad revenue. Wouldn’t have thought about it myself except for how many ads I had to watch on my United flight yesterday.

    1. Stormcrash Avatar
      Stormcrash

      Oddly enough Delta doesn’t seem to really take that angle though? I tend to fly delta out of familiarity and schedule and whenever I end up on United or especially American all the extra spiels for credit cards and stuff are kind of a shock. I think the only ad I’ve seen on delta is for the onboard wifi and then an ad when connecting to the wifi portal, the only announcement is usually a thank you to SkyMiles/medallion members with no upsells. I tend to use the IFE in map mode so maybe more are sneaking in there too, but in the past I haven’t had to watch any ads before starting a movie or show.

      But I think my most shocking one was actually on Hawaiian where they were pushing to sign up for their credit card, in the air, so hard that they came down the aisles with paper sign up forms

  18. Tastemore224 Avatar
    Tastemore224

    I worked at AA both pre- and post-merger. My experience pre-merger was fairly short and I was a mere analyst then, but the management style encouraged independent thinking and new ideas throughout the organization. Pre-merger AA didn’t get everything right by any means, but, as Sunviking said, they did innovate. The A321T was probably the last gasp of that culture. It was a successful product and would never have been approved post-merger.

    US Airways management is a very different culture (especially once Scott Kirby was driven out, taking the heart of the network planning team with him). It’s rigidly hierarchical with anyone below director level expected to follow instructions without question and the route to success depending on how effectively you can implement plans from senior management. This is an effective method of getting projects completed in a large organization (and they did a phenomenal job turning America West into the biggest airline in the world), but over time it often leads to a yes-man culture where ideas go unchallenged.

    Post-merger AA decided years ago that it would be a sort of low-service legacy carrier focused on taking pax from the heartlands to high cost airports and waited for the market to come to them. The fact that they took so long to change course as they fell behind is, I believe, a culture issue and change from this position is very hard. Union satisfaction with management is extremely low and they are unlikely to buy-in to any initiatives that require them to contribute more. In addition, the management ranks are weak after several rounds of buyouts and layoffs which always drive out high-achievers however much you try and stop them. The one saving grace for management is the high debt load which has so far scared off activist investors, but may not do so for ever.

    Pre-industry consolidation, an airline in this position would inevitably have been driven out of business by stronger competitors, but in the current moral hazard era, their fate is probably to continue tinkering while generating single digit operating margins and consolidating more and more to their dominant hubs.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      this is tremendous and very interesting insight, thanks for sharing that and it seems to explain a great deal to me

    2. David C Avatar
      David C

      From your perspective Tastemore224, does AA have a chance at ORD or will they wither on the vine there?
      Will product change the fighting chance they have?

      1. Tastemore224 Avatar
        Tastemore224

        ORD is interesting because AA has to maintain parity with UA. If they fall behind, they start to lose frequent fliers and flights become less profitable which develops into a self-perpetuating cycle. AA doesn’t talk much about relative hub economics, beyond the assertion that DFW and CLT are by far the most profitable in the system. But the fact that AA’s ORD Capacity in 2024 fell so far behind UA would imply that marginal departures make little if any profit (ORD is both competitive and expensive to operate from). I suspect that neither UA or AA makes that much money flying out of ORD (remember, under Smisek, UA shrank mainline ORD flying significantly to concentrate more on regionals – a move reversed by Munoz and Kirby).

        Both UA and AA need to be competitive in ORD for corporate contracts and credit card penetration – both of which require a certain level of network connectivity to make an airline’s offering compelling. Also relevant is that AA can’t afford to let UA get the upper hand in ORD because it would make a major competitor much stronger (the same dynamic applies to UA with the additional spice that this is personal for Kirby – he enjoys making AA management suffer because they fired him).

        AA’s improved cabins should help them compete better for customers’ dollars and higher numbers of premium seats will help profitability a little, but a wholesale retrofit across ~850 mainline aircraft is expensive and they would far rather utilize those aircraft in DFW and CLT where trip profitability is far higher.

        All of which is a long winded way of saying that AA will stay competitive and present in ORD because it’s existential. Same for UA. Neither airline will ever “win” there and they won’t make much money while they compete. Which is a bigger issue for AA than UA because their operating margins are so skinny.

  19. Emilio Vigil-Vazquez Avatar
    Emilio Vigil-Vazquez

    Back in 2021, AA dismissed the United NEXT retrofits as “prettying up old planes”. https://viewfromthewing.com/american-airlines-mocks-united-adding-video-screens-at-seats-as-prettying-up-old-planes/

    5 years later…

  20. Southside Emil Avatar
    Southside Emil

    This just in…… American Airlines management is bringing back the F-100

  21. Hugh Maidthatdecision Avatar
    Hugh Maidthatdecision

    What would Elon do?
    Elon would treat AA as a broken manufacturing/logistics system needing first-principles redesign, extreme cost deletion, and an engineering culture—not incremental airline tweaks. The seatback-screen flip-flop (remove for weight/cost ~2017, then multi-year 4K reinstall starting 2028) is pure waste he would never tolerate.
    His playbook (Tesla, SpaceX, X): question every requirement, delete parts/processes aggressively (if you don’t later add ~10% back, you didn’t delete enough), simplify, accelerate cycle time, automate. Prefer over-cutting and fixing later. Flat orgs, engineering-heavy, minimal middle management, hardcore intensity.
    What he would do:
    • Slash bureaucracy hard—corporate layers, overlapping merger processes, non-essential HQ. Keep essential frontline (pilots, mechanics, flight attendants, dispatchers, customer serviceops). Collapse fiefdoms. Requirements must attach to a real person.
    • Product first-principles: reliable, safe, on-time A-to-B at lowest sustainable cost + consistent passenger experience. Reliability becomes non-negotiable. Standardize fleet types to cut training/spares/maintenance complexity. Decide IFE once with data (excellent screens + connectivity or pure high-performance BYOD/Starlink)—no multi-year remove-then-reinstall. Expand high-margin premium where demand supports it; keep main cabin simple and transparent on pricing.
    • Attack costs ruthlessly: labor productivity, fuel, maintenance, overhead. Vertical integration where it pays. Optimize the loyalty program as the real asset it is.
    • Install high-agency engineering culture with rapid feedback from ramp/flight deck. Maniacal urgency. Safety stays physics- and FAA-constrained, but legacy processes that add delay without measurable gain get deleted or rewritten.
    Could he reestablish it by thinning bureaucracy? Thinning corporate bloat and imposing operational discipline is most feasible under concentrated control—he did ~80% cuts at X and repeatedly at Tesla/SpaceX. Full transformation faces harder constraints: strong unions under the Railway Labor Act, FAA rules, airport slots, long aircraft lead times, and public scrutiny. He could force major simplification, faster product/fleet decisions, better connectivity/ops software, and higher intensity. Durable high-margin passenger-first results would still require surviving multi-year labor fights and consistent execution on a highly visible operational product. Airlines destroy capital easily; his edge is breaking legacy assumptions faster and iterating when things break.

    1. David M Avatar

      Where’s the part where he loses interest in being an airline and tries to turn it into an AI company?

  22. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Going back through the press release, there so many improvements floated, with such little detail. Not just IFE, but redesigned seats, storage, lighting, etc. There is no indication of whether existing aircraft will get all of these, or just IFE/premium seats, nor whether any existing aircraft beyond the current 319/320 project and the 321neos will get more first class. Also glaring is the MCE deficiency in the longhaul fleet is ignored, including the 321xlr, which AA is counting on to compete in the domestic transcon market.

    While the IFE is splashy and seems to be the only improvement with a target start date (late 2028), Brett highlights the vagaries around what is undoubtedly 80%+ of the revenue opportunity here–increased premium seating. That is also the easiest gap to close, as AA’s original roll-out of MCE was completed within 24 months of announcement. Granted the latest announcement is only a day old, but it will be interesting to see how agressively AA goes after that revenue gap in terms of restoring MCE, as that requires no new parts, seats, bins, etc.

    Would be great to see a seat count bridge detailing how AA will get from 25% to 40% premium seats across cabins and aircraft types–I’m guessing AA doesn’t even know yet, though.

  23. RLW Avatar
    RLW

    For me the only purpose for an IFE screen is to show the route map. I am very content to just sit there and read a good book that is printed on paper. Flying used to be a great time for me to sit, relax, meditate and do some serious thinking but not any more. Now it is total chaos from when i first get to the airport until I leave at my destination. I am tired of being bombarded with video messages (eg. the PenFed torture walkway at IAD) and “music” everywhere. Give me peace and quiet which is what we need more of in this world.

  24. Lance Kim Avatar

    It’s quite a turnaround after American spent years removing seatback screens. Bringing them back, along with more extra-legroom seating, should make the cabin feel more competitive with Delta and United, although the rollout timeline sounds surprisingly long.

  25. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    hilarious, AmericAAn’t’s strategy for the next 10 years is to undo everything from the previous 10 years.

    1. Hugh Maidthatdecision Avatar
      Hugh Maidthatdecision

      American Airlines is simply a life support system for bureaucratic middle management.

  26. John Avatar
    John

    I wrote to American today to say that I’m pretty disappointed that they’re reintroducing seatback screens.

    I fly AAL out of ACT (where American has a monopoly) and DFW quite a bit and I really like that the domestic AAL cabin is one of the few places in life where I’m not bombarded by a screen.

    Plus, when I travel with my kids on AAL, I *love* that the screen-free environment requires them to play with the toys we bring, read the books in their bags, and enjoy the view out the window. It’s really good for their brains, to say nothing of their hearts and character formation, and I’ve watched one or both of them find creative ways to occupy themselves while we’ve flown.

    And when the cabin is screenless, I don’t have to explain (endure arguments about) why they can’t use the screen that otherwise would have been jammed down their eyeballs (even if it were blacked out; it’d still be *there* after all) during the flight.

    Screens are useful—I’m using one to write this, of course—but screen-free in-flight is great for kids’ brains and souls, even if it takes a bit of planning beforehand. It’s good for mine too. I’ve watched my son enjoy his magnet toys and Duplos for hours on a plane with no screens, and I’ve enjoyed some good reading myself on some of my domestic AAL travel. I know it’s possible and I can attest that it’s been beneficial for me and my family.

    Just an idea.

    John, Waco, TX

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