A 14-Hour Delay On Hawaiian Plus 5-Hours on American Left Us Scrambling (Trip Report)


Remember that saga from earlier this year where I had a tough time using my Alaska/Hawaiian companion fare but finally got it worked out? That was for a long-planned family vacation in Hawaiʻi. Yes, I was just there a month earlier, but that was for work. I know, you’re thinking, “this’ll be another boring Hawaiian trip report,” but you’re wrong. Pretty much everything went wrong on the way out, and we never even ended up on the airline. Hawaiian really screwed this one up, then American created their own mess, and finally… Southwest saved the day.

We were booked to fly from LAX to Honolulu on the 7am departure and then connect to Hilo for a few days, exploring the windward side of the Big Island. We had the morning flight booked with a 1.5 hour connection, which seemed ideal. Then there was a schedule change a couple months before travel, and our connection was canceled. We were looking at a long 2.5 hour connection. We could leave LA on the 10am, have an hour and a quarter in Honolulu, and get into Hilo only an hour later, so we made the switch — after yet another pained conversation with a Hawaiian agent. That was a mistake.

Fast forward to the day of travel. I had woken up leisurely around 6:30am for that nice and late 10am flight when I saw a notification on my phone. Boarding had been delayed until… 5:15pm? I rubbed my eyes to make sure I wasn’t missing something, but sure enough, we had been delayed eight hours to 6pm. Great.

First thing I did was hop online to get the lay of the land. With this delay arriving into Honolulu so late, there were no connections on to Hilo. Even worse, there were no flights from Honolulu to Hilo with four seats the next day either. Naturally, I started scanning for Kona options as I called up Hawaiian, deciding a 2+ hour drive would be better than delaying yet another day.

As usual, I was sent to that awful call center in the Philippines. I don’t understand why that still exists considering it’s the same reservation system as Alaska. The person on the phone said she could look at other options for me, but every 30 seconds she kept saying she had to go ask her colleague for help.

I had found a flight at 1:30pm on American to Kona that had decent availability, so I asked her to move us to that. After talking to her “colleague,” she said they wouldn’t put me on another airline. This made no sense, because it was showing as a maintenance delay. (I actually looked it up, and the flight out the night before turned back to LAX, so they stole our airplane for the 7am flight we were originally on, and the 10am got stuck with the broken plane.)

The agent then asked if I could fly out of a co-terminal. I said yes, but there weren’t any flights that I could get to in time that had availability. (Long Beach was pushing it, but it was full anyway.) She would not stop asking about co-terminals and asked if I could fly out of Seattle or San Francisco. At one point she asked if Sacramento or Oakland would be possible.

At this point, I’ll admit that it got heated. I told her those were nowhere near us, and I needed real solutions before seats disappear. She just kept saying I could get a refund. That was all she was willing to do.

I should have hung up and tried someone else. Actually, I should have hung up and called Alaska to talk to someone in Boise, but the available seats were dwindling. I told her to just refund our outbound, and then I bought tickets on American for a little over $300 each.

It took her a long time, and we were on the phone for more than an hour before she finally got it done. Or she said she got it done, but then I looked online at the reservation and saw she had only done one. Eventually, she got it done.

With our new American flight confirmed and time to kill, I did call Alaska directly and asked them to look at the reservation to make sure our return looked ok. I did not want this mistake to screw us. The Boise-based agent said it was good. (It wasn’t, but that wasn’t apparent until the next part of our trip, so stay tuned for that.)

Just when I thought I could relax, American delayed our new flight by 3 hours. It was an aircraft swap, and our new airplane was in Philadelphia — but it hadn’t even left.

This was not great. I had quickly switched the rental car to Kona, but we still had a more than two-hour drive to where we were staying. We would arrive at 7:30pm which meant stores would be closed, and we’d be driving on a very dark saddle road that climbs above 6,000 feet across the island. If we were lucky, we’d get to our Airbnb at 11pm. On top of this, I didn’t believe the posted departure time since it would require everything to go right in Philly and still only be a 35 minute turn. Yeah, right.

So it was back to the drawing board, and that meant flying the next day. Sure enough, Southwest had a weekend-only 7am flight from LAX to Kona, and we could book basic economy for $282 each, only about $70 more per person than what we originally paid including the checked bags. We’d land at 9:30am and then be on the Hilo side for lunch. Done deal.

And I’m glad we did. That American flight? It showed the inbound arriving at 4:54pm for a long time… with a 4:45pm departure to Kona. Typical American. It was eventually pushed and didn’t leave until 6:15pm. It would have been a very late night… but not as late as if we’d stuck with Hawaiian. Our original flight ended up delaying 14 hours, leaving after midnight for a westbound redeye.

I checked us in on Southwest right away. Since it was basic economy, we were placed in 27EF and 29AB, just in front of the last row. This seemed perfectly fine to me, so I didn’t bother paying for seats further forward. After an early night, we woke up before 5am, got our stuff together, hopped in a Lyft, and made our way to LAX.

The traffic was fine, but the line to drop a checked bag? It was long.

We printed our own tags and got in line, but it took 20 minutes before we reached someone to give our bags. And when we were done? The line had gotten much longer. Yikes.

We went through security about an hour before departure, and then we headed to the gate. Our airplane was there, and they said we’d start boarding soon. I relaxed as the kids went to get snacks. Then, I tensed up. The gate agent said they were still waiting for one more flight attendant, so boarding would be a delayed a bit. But to pass the time, she said that people probably noticed she had an accent. She gave her name, and then said the first person to guess where she was from would get a $50 gift card on Southwest.

I was shocked that it didn’t take long for someone to guess Lithuania correctly. Impressive. But by the time that was done, the last crewmember had arrived, and we were boarding. Well played.

As boarding began, they called my name. Uh oh. Turns out, they said we could do priority boarding. Something smelled fishy. I had been talking to a friend at Southwest as I went through the mess the day before, and he knew I ended up booking Southwest in the end. Apparently, he said something and this got me a little bit of special treatment. You know I never want that, but after this long saga, I didn’t mind as much as I normally would.

Walking down the jet bridge, someone from the station gave me a bottle of Korbel, saying thanks for writing about the airport’s people mover saga. Ok, well… that was nice. Thanks for reading.

Southwest 2637
August 2, 2026

From Los Angeles
➤ Scheduled Departure: 7a
➤ Actual Departure: 659a
➤ From Gate: 13
➤ Wheels Up: 711a
➤ From Runway: 24L

To Kona
➤ Wheels Down: 922a
➤ On Runway: 17
➤ Scheduled Arrival: 935a
➤ Actual Arrival: 926a
➤ At Gate: 6

Aircraft
➤ Type: Boeing 737-8 MAX
➤ Delivered: June 15, 2019
➤ Registered: N8739L, msn 60231
➤ Livery: Hot Dog on a Stick colors

Flight
➤ Cabin: Coach in Seat 29A
➤ Load: ~99% Full
➤ Flight Time: 5h23m

Stepping onboard, I was greeted by a very nice and new-looking cabin with those big bins (which I didn’t need since I checked my bag). These MAXs are really like flying a different airline than those old -700s. We trudged toward the back and took our seats. Randy was working in the back, and he had help from Steve who was a flight attendant commuting back home. Randy took my champagne and said he could keep it cold for me.

This airplane had the older seats which have the fast USB charging port but don’t have the device holders.

They boarded pretty quickly, and we pushed back a minute early. Then, as always, it was a quick taxi to the runway. The captain had jokes, and told us all it would be a short 5 hour and 5 minute flight to Buffalo. But he wasn’t joking when he said we’d have a mostly nice ride to Kona after our climbout.

We had Anuvu wifi on this flight, which meant I didn’t plan on having wifi. But I logged on with my phone and it actually worked ok for limited uses. I ended up watching a movie anyway, The Devil Wears Prada 2, because, well, can’t imagine there’s any other time I’d ever watch that movie.

At altitude, the flight attendants got up and came through with drinks. They had a jumbo snack box with multiple options and told everyone to take as much as we all wanted.

I raided those snacks like I was preparing for a nuclear winter. Then I got the whole can of water, and I sat back and watched my movie.

Along the way, we passed by Hurricane Genevieve which I think was only a Tropical Storm by that point. We skirted to the north and had just enough bumps for the seatbelt sign to flip on.

I went back to use the lav, and that’s when I chatted with flight attendants Randy, Steve, and Carissa. Randy and Steve had been with Southwest for more than 30 years. Carissa was pushing four. We talked shop for a little while.

While I was back there, they did a second pass for drinks in the cabin. Carissa said she could whip up something for my kids, so she did something that she said was like a creamsicle and another that was a strawberry refresher.

My kids weren’t interested, but I was. That strawberry refresher was good.

Around an hour before landing, they came through with the third service which included drinks and a package of Oreos. I just kept writing until it was time to descend, so we could finally, properly start our vacation.

Once Mauna Kea came into view, I knew we were almost there. Flying into Kona from the north, we had great views the whole way. And the flight was apparently so pleasant for our pilots that they decided to do a go-around, which I caught on a time lapse video.

After we climbed back up and pointed north, the captain told us that approach control kept him too high for too long. I think he just liked the view. After a quick circle, we touched down and rolled out toward the end of the runway where a Boeing 777X was sitting, wings folded, apparently doing some testing.

After we blocked in, the best news for us sitting in the next to last row was that they would be using both the front and back doors. We were off quickly, and then, to cap off the special treatment, some of the local Southwest rampers met us and gave us leis and some swag bags with water bottles, a coozie, and maybe a couple other trinkets.

Again, I never like special treatment, but I haven’t been lei’d upon arrival in Hawaiʻi in so many years — and I was so exhausted after that epic 24 hours — that I was very happy to accept and kick off our trip right.

We rented a Bronco and spent a compressed 2.5 instead of 3.5 days going everywhere from the southern tip and the green sand beach of Papakōlea…

… to the top of Maunakea.

It was exhausting to cram that into three days, but we did it. Then it was off to Maui.

This is the second time Southwest helped save a Hawaiian vacation for me. The first was when my Hawaiian A321neo from Kahului to Long Beach was canceled at the last minute due to the engine fiasco in 2023, and I bought a last minute ticket to LAX. Maybe I should just be buying tickets on Southwest in the first place.

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71 responses to “A 14-Hour Delay On Hawaiian Plus 5-Hours on American Left Us Scrambling (Trip Report)”

  1. 1990 Avatar
    1990

    Aloha! Epic time lapse of that go-around! Glad things ended up working out for you this time. Hope it was a nice trip, after all.

    But, seriously, 8 hours delayed, likely not ‘the weather,’ likely within their control, and best we can do is refund and you’re on your own. Go get that last-minute fare with a competitor. Tough. Deal with it. USA! USA!

    Friends, it doesn’t have to be this way. May we please finally come together and agree that on better baseline of protection and options for passengers? Like, a duty of care, actual attempts at rebooking (even on competitors at no extra cost to passengers, think old rule 240), and maybe some compensation for the inconvenience?

    (Ignore the reality that EU/UK261 proves it can work, doesn’t raise fares, doesn’t bankrupt airlines, and actually leads to more reliable operations and accountability, but… I’m now being told by my handler that’s all ‘socialism,’ and we need to just deal with it and rebook twice, fly WN. Ok. Got it. Sorry.)

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      “(Ignore the reality that EU/UK261 proves it can work, doesn’t raise fares, doesn’t bankrupt airlines, and actually leads to more reliable operations and accountability, but… I’m now being told by my handler that’s all ‘socialism,’ and we need to just deal with it and rebook twice, fly WN. Ok. Got it. Sorry.)”

      Good one 1990! Holy shit, what a total fiasco between Hawaiian& American. At least you were saved by Southwest.

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Ah, you know, it’s mid-August… just trying to ‘keep it light.’

        No joke, for trips that really matter to me, I frequently book pre-emptive back-ups using points, then cancel if the primary option works out. (‘Ain’t no rules says a dog can’t play basketball’ and ‘ain’t no rules says 1990 can’t book two flights and only fly one, if he reads the fine-print.’)

        Also, comprehensive travel insurance has paid-out multiple times when the airlines have cancelled on me; got my prepaid expenses reimbursed. Do what you can with what you got, folks. Safe travels.

        1. SEAN Avatar
          SEAN

          1990,

          My dad use too do the same when booking flights as it would benefit him on his business travels.

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            Well, whether its business or personal, if you feel you ‘need’ to be somewhere by a certain day/time, then you gotta get creative. In some cases, I’ve had to ditch the plane tickets, get a rental car, and drive through the night. (Hard to do that to Hawaii from the mainland, though.)

    2. Alex Hill Avatar
      Alex Hill

      Not to mention Canada, which has broadly similar protections, although Canada has a “safety” exemption you could drive an A380 through. When has an airline ever delayed a flight without safety as at least a contributing factor. We didn’t hire enough flight attendants to staff the flights we sold (in 2022)? Well, flying the flight we sold you without flight attendants wouldn’t be safe, so no compensation for you!

      (Note quite that bad, and I did after two years (!) get $4000 in compensation from WestJet for a 24 hour delay caused by the crew shortage, but the basic idea can indeed work.)

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Yes, Canada’s APPR is better than ‘nothing,’ but does need reforms, and better ‘duty of care’ (to match UK/EU). Still, I’ve collected via their program (thanks Air Canada), and while it’s not perfect, it still works. Well done on your WestJet claim!

    3. Brett Avatar

      1990 – To be fair, not putting on another airline isn’t the airline’s policy. It’s just the terrible call center’s inability to grasp the rules and implement them. I was just running out of time, so I couldn’t push the issue.

      1. Steven Avatar
        Steven

        It was great meeting you and your family. I thought about you all over here and hoped you were having fun! Love the photos! Hope to see you guys again!!! Fa Steven! :) ALOHA!

      2. Iowa Airspace Avatar
        Iowa Airspace

        To be even more fair, if an airline has a policy that its own call center can’t implement because it doesn’t understand or able to execute the policy, that is the airlines’ fault and a pretty significant management issue.

      3. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        I get it; at the moment, all we can go by as passengers in the US is whatever the fine print on the contract of carriage and their internal policies (or exceptions) will allow. I’m not trying to mis-state what the ‘law or rules’ are; I’m more so advocating for reforms (and have been for a while.)

        Honestly, Brett, you handled this like a pro (because you are one!), and I’m just glad it worked out for you!

      4. BeachBoy Avatar
        BeachBoy

        Not putting you on another airline seems to be the policy for most AS/HA agents who are not empowered.

        I had my flight HNL-LAX cxld (same time as your flight when HA had like 3 or 4 A332s down) and the only options the AS agent said were available in her system rerouted me thru Seattle. I could choose any LA area airport, but being put on the nonstop AA or UA flights were not possible.

        But it is not just AS/HA because it seems like most airlines really limit reroute options with irrops and encourage you to just get a refund and make your own alterrnate plans. This just happened to me last week with a domestic flight in Türkiye on Turkish Airlines. US airlines are just as bad. My DL flight cxld at HND and the agents handed out a letter explaining that DL will pay up to 40K¥ for a hotel that we have to arrange on our own and to call or use the FlyDelta App to be reaccommodated on another DL flight.

    4. Alan Z Avatar
      Alan Z

      @1990

      Maybe with two bummer Rez from Hawaiian, he should speak to the big Rez person in the sky. She would tell him stop messing with HA and AA. And stick with what works: SWA.

      But of course he should lobby for U. S. version of EU261.

      1. Yo Avatar
        Yo

        Driving the saddle road at night. Not fun. Worse when you play roulette with the car rental place and they give you a 12 seat van. Barely made it to my nasty hotel in Hilo before the clerk left.

        Hawaiian used to have a res center in PHX, with a quality staff. But, the merger closed that center and laid everyone off.

  2. Hajime Sano Avatar
    Hajime Sano

    How was it getting to the top of Maunakea? That’s on the list of places I’d like to visit. Some of my old JPL colleagues used to go there for observing runs at the telescope. They told me about the altitude adaptation by overnighting at the mid-point, and the need for 4WD on the descent so the brakes wouldn’t cook.

    1. John G Avatar
      John G

      Unless you are notable susceptible to altitude, it’s doable. You’ll feel it but for most that’s it. And there is no place to stay anywhere above about 2000’ anyway, and I don’t even think you can camp.

      The summit is a stark, amazing place. Nothing green whatsoever. 20 telescopes. Worth a drive. The road isn’t tough. The 4WD requirement is just for the trip down, to protect your brakes.

      Just use low gear and you’ll be fine.

      The summit itself is accessed via a short 1/4 mile trail from the parking area at the top. There is about 150’ to 200’ of elevation gain and loss but it isn’t terrible. Be warned that there is a sign requesting non native Hawaiians stay off, but there is no gate or anything. It is left to individuals to decide.

      As a member of the Highpointers Club (go to the high points of as many states as you can, and I have 42), I climbed it seven or eight years ago. I blew past the sign, but when I got down I made a donation to a Native Hawaiian fund for education. Figured it was a fair trade.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Haj – My experience was a little different than most for Maunakea, because I have a cousin who operates one of the telescopes. So we were going up there to visit her briefly at the start of the night unlike most of the hordes.

      But you have to go up to the visitor information station at 9,200 feet, and they tell you to stay for at least half an hour. They don’t track you, but they do ask you to confirm you’ve done that. Then when you leave the lot to drive up, the rangers are there to confirm every car is capable and set in 4WD. We had rented a Bronco so we were fine, but the first time up, they told us we didn’t have enough gas. There is no gas station for a very long way, and you grind through gas. (It turns out we would have had enough gas, but those tank gauges are all different so they play it conservative.)

      The first part of the road up is dirt, but it’s wide and fairly well maintained. Toward the summit, it ends up being paved, but that’s where it can get really dangerous if you’re going in winter. There can be a lot of ice on that paved road, but they did it to keep debris from being kicked up. It was clear and fine when we went.

      On the way down, you have to keep it in a low gear so you don’t burn up your brakes. Once you get back down to the visitor station, the ranger is there waiting to check your brakes to make sure they are ok. Then you can switch back into 2WD, but you still need to use a low gear for the rest of the way down.

      It’s a spectacular site up there on the top of the world.

      1. Oliver Avatar
        Oliver

        We went up there many years ago… didn’t have a suitable rental car, so we went with a guide (small group). Part of the trip was star gazing through telescopes they set up. Agree, pretty amazing place. One of these days we will do it again with a 4WD rental.

        Big island is my favorite Hawaiian island.

      2. Kilroy Avatar
        Kilroy

        We need to get you out east to do a drive on the paved road to the summit of Mount Washington, in NH’s White Mountains… Or a hike on the trails up the mountain, or a ride up the mountain on the Cog (just watch for the hikers who like to moon the train).

      3. Hajime Sano Avatar
        Hajime Sano

        Thanks for the info Brett! What I had heard was that for day visitors, a short stop at the information center is all that is required. If you’re staying longer, i.e. doing an observing run at the telescope, one had to overnight at a facility before proceeding up the hill.

        That’s very cool your cousin operates one of the telescopes. Does she commute up the mountain every day? I imaging that would get old after a while. Hopefully she can stay up there a few days at a time.

        I hadn’t even considered the lack of gas stations. I imagine the official vehicles at the telescope have their own refueling stand up there, or they are EVs that an be recharged.

        I’ve seen pictures and videos of folks skiing and snowboarding there when they get the occasional snowfall. The roads must be unnerving when they’re covered in ice and snow.

        1. Brett Avatar

          Haj – Oh I don’t know about longer stays up top. I know I could have stayed there as long as I wanted with my cousin, but maybe there’s a more formal procedure.

          My cousin lives in Hilo, but she works several days on, several days off. They have a dorm situation up near the visitor station, so she sleeps there all day and then goes up at night when she’s working. So she doesn’t have to go back home every day. And they have people who drive them up and down who do have gas access right there. It’s just not a public station.

  3. Southside Emil Avatar
    Southside Emil

    Our politicians are all corrupt and they’ll never pass anything similar to EU261. It’s a sorry state that our “representatives” are bought and paid for by the airline’s lobbyists.

  4. Sean W Avatar
    Sean W

    Thanks for the time lapse video. It is good to hear positive remarks about Southwest. I have heard much negativity about them. We still primarily use AA. Disappointing to hear the issue with the Philly to LAX delay.

  5. Doug Swalen Avatar
    Doug Swalen

    Did you get to see any Lava at Kiluea? I saw a few drips and drabs last year one of the two days we visited the park. By sheer luck we arrived in the middle of the latest eruption event window but Kiluea pulled a Hawaiian and pushed the window further out. It finally blew the day I drove from Hilo to Kona; splitting the twin peaks to get across rather than take the longer drive around the coast. So we missed the eruption. It’s just as well. Unless you are either already at the park when it decides to erupt or you catch the eruption on YouTube at the very beginning and race up there, you are in for a mile of solid bumper to bumper traffic that would make Los Angeles blush and most likely have to park on the side of the highway and walk in 4 miles. Under those circumstances it’s just not worth it.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Doug – We ended up being right in between the latest eruptions, so we didn’t see it. We could see the red glow in the crater. What was so incredible to me, however, was the comparison to the last time I was there in 2017. It is completely different, especially after the 2018 eruptions. It’s hard to believe it’s the same place. So even without the lava, it was incredible.

      1. Oliver Avatar
        Oliver

        We were there in early June. While waiting for our flight to depart from LAX watched the episode 48 eruption start via the webcam. Upon arrival in KOA hussled to Avis, got our rental, and drove as fast as safely possible across the island (saddle road). When we arrived at Volcano NP, we had pouring rain. We saw nothing from the rim, not even glow, and a check of the NP website told us that episode 48 had literally ended 10 minutes before we got to the parking lot.

        I see another trip to HI in our not too distant future.

        1. John G Avatar
          John G

          Ha. We must have been there close to the same time…and we just missed it also.

  6. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    Southwest for the win. Again. And with their usual high quality onboard service

    1. Arubaman Avatar
      Arubaman

      Yep! Updated article title: “Southwest Saves The Day!”

    2. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      Let’s be honest, if you or I were flying, no special boarding or swag upon landing. Economy is a commodity product. My issue with SWA is their ground time planning is so short, any hiccup causes their flights in the evenings to just be delayed. May not be an issue in CA with its good weather, but in the Northeast and Florida, its an issue.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        WN has one of the lowest cancelllation rates in the US airline industry right now. Their on-time performance has dropped year over year but their delays are not the half day or longer delays that Brett experienced on not just one but two airlines.

        and he did start his travel first thing in the morning which makes lengthy delays even harder to understand

        1. Brian W Avatar
          Brian W

          To be fair, AA and AS didnt cancel the flights. They were just massively delayed. It is nice WN doesnt cancel a lot of flights, but if you are trying to make a tight connection they are selling, I often have problems. A delay in that case equates to a cancelation.

  7. Outer Space Guy Avatar
    Outer Space Guy

    At some point you’d think that airlines will realize that they earn less business when they view any individual flight transactionally, no matter your status. Maint issues should be rare, and extended delays should be even rarer, so empower your agents to make the customer happy and be flexible when they happen. Be proactive and get people where they want to go, even if it is not on your metal. People remember if you did them right or if you forced a square to fit into a circle by putting your airline’s availability ahead of their vacation….

    1. John G Avatar
      John G

      You act as if they have maintenance delays on purpose. They cost airlines a TON of money.

      Would you rather they skimped on maintenance and put a couple into the ground each year?

      The reality is, airlines operate at the ragged edge in terms of capacity. They don’t carry spare planes and in peak periods basically every seat is full.

      A lot of delays are outside their control. The plane breaks they have to fix it. Weather delays and oh well. ATC etc.

      If we significantly increased fares we could make sure they leave spare planes and spare seats, but no one wants that.

      1. David M Avatar

        I read Outer Space Guy’s comments not about avoiding delays, but rather about needing to better empower their agents to better solve problems when they do happen. And you can’t forget training, it doesn’t do any good to empower agents if they don’t know what they can do. He’s not saying Hawaiian should have flown the broken plane, he’s saying the agent he was talking to should have done better.

        1. John G Avatar
          John G

          I understand.

          But if you run an operation at the edge, and a plane breaks…you have no place to put anyone.

          In that scenario it doesn’t matter how good your agent is.

          And the airline is going to think you know if my customer is going to be stuck and pissed regardless, then why should I spend much money on agents?

          1. David M Avatar

            Because a good agent can recover the situation. The agent thought they couldn’t reaccommodate on another carrier. Whether they were misinformed or truly unable to is a behind the scenes difference that could be fixed, by improving the policy and/or training of the agents. In this case, the customer had an alternative (the American flight to Kona) but the agent refused to book it, instead only offering to refund the customer’s purchase (and did so poorly) and letting them buy it direct themselves (the fact that the AA flight itself had issues is besides the point and beyond Hawaiian’s control). A big selling point of alliances is smooth cross-alliance cooperation, so I think at the very least if an alliance member can’t resolve a problem on their own metal, using an alliance partner should be the next option. And Hawaiian is itself now considered a member of Oneworld, even though they’re technically just a brand operated by Oneworld-member Alaska.

          2. Oliver Avatar
            Oliver

            In what world is it acceptable to suggest alternative flights out of Sacramento or Seattle to someone at LAX?

            Now, I can understand that the average person in the Philippines doesn’t know more about the geography of the US than I know about the Philippines, but these are airline customer service agents … and they have computers.

    2. Alan Z Avatar
      Alan Z

      If the U.S. had a version of EU 261, the airlines would fix their issues because it would cost them, instead of b.sing us with weather fantasies.

  8. Dan Avatar
    Dan

    amd we appreciate your business! Thanks from a fellow HP co-worker (we have communicated before!)

  9. DesertGhost Avatar
    DesertGhost

    All of this goes to show that fancy lounges, TV sets, and extra legroom seats are worthless without operational reliability and good customer service.

    1. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      Maybe, but didnt Brett report chasing Alaska status last year?

      1. Brett Avatar

        Brian W – I did indeed, but it was mostly for sport and blogging content because I already had enough travel planned to make it come together with a credit card. I certainly don’t care about chasing status for any real reason.

        1. David M Avatar

          I’d say this experience shows the lack of value of status. When things go wrong, they don’t do anything useful to help either on their own metal, nor on their oneworld alliance partner.

          1. Brian W Avatar
            Brian W

            It depends. There are a lot of people who value access to agents in lounges when IRROPS occur, when you get priority when getting an agent on the phone, or your travel is auto rebooked with better options than a person with no status. I have found AA to do well with this. Brett’s AS experience seems a failure that management should look at.

          2. Oliver Avatar
            Oliver

            I dunno. I had a MX delay recently (AS) and was going to miss my connection to Europe. Status got me a phone agent quicker than it would have taken a mere mortal and they managed to rebook me pretty quickly.

            But that was AS in Boise, not HA in Manila.

            1. Brett Avatar

              Oliver – I think that?s right. I think it?s the HA call center that is the issue, doesn?t get you that extra service. But AS will get there eventually on both brands.

  10. emac Avatar
    emac

    wait, has it always been “Hot Dog on a Stick colors” or was there an “ugly” in there some point? Or is that just AA’s livery?

    Also that’s a very impressive snack box.

    1. Brett Avatar

      emac – Nope, it’s always been Hot Dog on a Stick with this livery. It’s the AA Ugly Flag Tail that is the only one that has “ugly” in it.

  11. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    It just dawned on me. You don’t seem to fly United too often. Might have better luck with them out of the LA area?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Eric R – You’re right, I don’t. I did fly them a couple years ago to Honolulu. But the reality is that their network doesn’t seem to often mesh as well with what I end up doing. I always look, but it never seems to work as well for me.

  12. GS Avatar
    GS

    Cranky, do you have any data about the avg. length of delay for each airline? I know HA does really well in on-time performance overall, but it feels like their delays are typically longer (maybe since any replacement aircraft or crew would need to come from the islands?) Curious your take on that

    1. Brett Avatar

      GS – Funny, because we were just talking about this on The Air Show this week when I interviewed Southwest COO Andrew Watterson. (Have a listen.) But he points out that they really pay attention to the WSJ rankings, because those take delay length into account. This is something I could pull from the raw Anuvu data, I assume. But it’s a pretty large and annoying project.

      As for Hawaiian, I think you’re right. The issue is Hawaiian can’t afford to just park an A330 at LAX as a spare. So when something goes wrong, it goes really wrong. Not as much of an issue in the islands, and it’s probably ok in Seattle too. I haven’t looked at routings, but that is where they do maintenance on the A330s, if I remember right.

    2. David M Avatar

      The usual published on-time performance stats talk about number of on-time vs delayed flights, not the length of the delay. Hawaiian’s traditional strength in this area came from the large number of short interisland flights which happen in good weather, so they tend to be on time and they seem to usually have a spare 717 in HNL to quickly recover if things go wrong. Even when their long haul operation wasn’t doing as well, the fact that it’s a relatively small number of flights compared to the interisland flights, kept the statistics looking good. As the 717s age these stats may not be looking so good, and similar things happened when the DC-9-50s got older (on occasion, a DC-10 would fill in to recover multiple cancelled DC-9 flights).

      Hawaiian goes through swings of ups and downs, and when their on time stats aren’t looking so hot, people remember that HAL stands for “Hawaiian’s Always Late”.

  13. KJR Avatar
    KJR

    I don’t know why the Philippines call center still exists and honestly there’s no reason to ever call that line since Alaska reservations can handle everything for you. Curious if maybe they’re just trying to staff up the Alaska side more first before getting rid of the Philippines one

    1. David M Avatar

      I don’t know if it’s company operated or contracted, but I suspect the latter. I also presume the contract is for a set time period and Alaska can’t just walk away. So they may be keeping it going until the contract is up for renewal, and hopefully at that point they won’t. It’s been awful ever since it opened and took over Hawaiian’s call center operations from Honolulu.

      1. KJR Avatar
        KJR

        There’s zero chance Hawaiian had their own employees based in PH, it’s almost certainly a contractor. But tbh I’d be really surprised if they’re contractually bound to keep it open (or if they are, I can’t imagine it would expensive to buy out of). That is a good point though if they’d bring back a Hawaii-based call center. I kinda doubt it but who knows

      2. Brett Avatar

        The call center is contract. I asked about it, and I was told that they are still in negotiations over it and no decision has been made. So I assume this has something to do with the agreement with the company in the Philippines as well as the reservations union at Alaska, but I don’t know for sure.

        1. Oliver Avatar
          Oliver

          They should perhaps consider routing very basic requests to the Philippines and let more experienced agents handle IRROPS requests.

  14. NedsKid Avatar
    NedsKid

    I know some people, particularly around here, have a soft spot for Hawaiian Airlines…. but my past experiences with them have, since the merger was announced, made me worry that they’d drag Alaska down service-wise.

  15. Steven Avatar
    Steven

    Randy is an amazing friend and an even better flight attendant! Glad you got to meet him :)

    1. Brett Avatar

      Steven – Thanks for chiming in! Seemed like you and Randy did know each other well. Hope Lala didn’t cause you any trouble, and let’s hope this next one stays south as planned.

    2. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      How is Carissa as a FA?

  16. Airdoc Avatar
    Airdoc

    Very nice SWA story..they have been one of my favorites for years. You discuss their customer service and I’ve known they walk the talk, everyone says Alaska has excellent customer service, but SWA proves it.

    And just why hasn’t Alaska shutdown that horrible Philippines call desk??
    Answer: because they don’t walk the talk.

  17. Brendan Avatar
    Brendan

    I went through this in October 2014 but took the alternate choice…we were on the 10AM LAX-HNL A330 flight, got to the airport and it was delayed until 9PM or something. They needed to replace an engine generator, part wouldn’t arrive for hours and by then the crew would be timed out.

    At the desk they offered an afternoon American flight to OGG + HA 717 to HNL, but we of course wouldn’t have the extra legroom seats we paid for. And (in theory) we wouldn’t get to HNL much sooner than the A330. So they gave us a hotel room + 2 meals at the Days Inn down the street, and said to be back at the airport by 7. Later we ended up sitting around the airport for hours, didn’t even board until 10 PM. The plane was at a remote stand, and remains by far the biggest plane I’ve ever boarded by stairs. (For those in wheelchairs or who couldn’t climb stairs, the other option was to ride up in the catering truck).

    Even once boarded it took forever, I don’t think we took off until midnight. They served meals as usual, and the wine was flowing. Arrived at an essentially closed HNL at 3 AM. Hawaiian ended up giving us a $300 credit, which was basically what we had paid for the leg. We still have the metal silverware we kept from that flight :P

    1. Arubaman Avatar
      Arubaman

      Riding in the catering truck….never mind.

  18. CallingFatigued Avatar
    CallingFatigued

    My airline has a big contract outpost in the Philippines as well and as nice as those folks are, they are not trained to handle anything complex. They’re supposed to leave my team to handle those complex issues but sometimes even the most basic ones get bounced to us and creates more work than if we just did it all in the first place… Not to mention the turnover is high (and I’m guessing you got a new person still doing some on-the-job training)
    I digress, but it doesn’t surprise me you couldn’t get what you needed from them. Not to mention as a non-union employee the amount of outsourcing going on is unsettling.

  19. Larry Mansfield Avatar
    Larry Mansfield

    I’m sorry but I have no sympathy for you ! You should have gone with the 7am departure ! Are you really whining over a 2 1/2 hour layover ! Always go with the sure thing and first flight of the day You originally had that opportunity but ignored the Golden Rule !

    1. Brett Avatar

      Larry – I’m not whining about a long layover, but there was a better option, so I switched. And I can’t disagree more with your golden rule. In this case, the 7am departures turns around off the redeye, so it’s not a long sit. The 10am turns off the previous evening’s arrival, so there is more buffer and in theory it should work better. In this case, our aircraft was fine, but they decided to steal it for the morning flight for whatever reason. There is no single golden rule.

  20. Yo Avatar
    Yo

    Driving the saddle road at night. Not fun. Worse when you play roulette with the car rental place and they give you a 12 seat van. Barely made it to my nasty hotel in Hilo before the clerk left.

  21. Johosofat Avatar
    Johosofat

    No report on the return journey?

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