Qantas Prepares to Break the 10,000 Mile Barrier


It is official. One of the last meaningful routes in the world that required a connection due to distance will be getting nonstop service starting in October 2027. Qantas has announced that is when the Sydney – London flight will begin on the Airbus A350-1000ULR. Tickets go on sale in February. This will mark the first time a route over 10,000 miles has been flown nonstop on a regular scheduled basis, and while it should work, it feels like more of a gamble than Qantas would like everyone to believe.

Why announce this so far in advance? Well, Qantas is looking to get any press it can as the journey toward launching this aircraft continues. It just rolled out the first A350-1000ULR in the Qantas livery in Toulouse, so why not make a big deal out of it? The airplane itself looks like any other A350-1000 on the outside. It just has room for a lot more fuel and a lot fewer passengers onboard.

How many passengers? Look at it this way. The premium-heavy British Airways puts 331 seats on its A350-1000s, Qatar has 327 seats in its less dense version, and Cathay Pacific puts 334 seats onboard. Qantas will have a mere 238 seats on the airplane. That combined with the extra fuel onboard means it can fly for a very, very long time. And that’s exactly what it will have to do to get from Sydney to London.

Let’s put it this way. The longest flight in the world today is on a Singapore A350-900ULR from New York/JFK to Singapore. That flight is 9,537 miles and is blocked westbound at 19 hours and 15 minutes. The Sydney – London flight is over 1,000 miles further at 10,573 miles. Block times haven’t been released yet, but it will easily break the 20 hour barrier.

The rationale for having only 238 seats onboard is pretty simple. Nobody in their right mind will want to do this flight in coach, so it is very premium-heavy, at least by Australian standards. The plan is to have six First Class suites, 52 Business Class suites for the less fortunate, 40 Premium Economy seats for those willing to endure pain, and 140 Economy seats for your worst enemies. At least those seats will have 34 inches of pitch in the back, but they will also come with complimentary horse tranquilizers to make the journey more pleasant. With the airplane flying 3-3-3 abreast, I’m told those in the middle of the middle will receive a signed certificate upon arrival proving they completed the journey.

We can joke about the onboard experience all we want, but the business case is real. The general thesis is that people care a lot about saving up to four hours over the stops that are required today. Not only will Qantas recapture share, but it will also get higher-paying travelers. There is certainly something to that argument, but whether it will be justified to fly those planes with 238 seats for so many hours is still a question mark.

Qantas does have research to back up its claims. In February, it asked people “how likely would you be to book this type of flight in the future, if you were flying to [INSERT DESTINATION]?” I’m guessing this was for both New York and London since it’s meant to get answers to ultra-long-haul demand. And the answers?

Well, I don’t know. Because all Qantas says in its presentation is that 68 percent of premium travelers and 53 percent of coach travelers would… be likely, I guess? I’m assuming they asked people to pick a number between 1 and 10 on how likely they’d be and this percentage is of those who chose the top end of the scale, but that isn’t clear.

What is clear is that after the war in the Middle East broke out and people were stranded, they became even more likely to fly nonstop. Those numbers rose to 80 percent and 63 percent respectively in May, but I don’t believe that bump one bit. The war is still fresh. Give people a convenient connection with a cheap fare and they’ll shift back to how they felt in February, especially if it’s a connection not in the Middle East. It’s not like there is a shortage of options.

Today, the Middle East is a big connecting point, but so is Southeast Asia. Let’s not forget the good number of people flying Qantas direct via Perth as well. Here’s a look at Cirium ARC/BSP data showing the passenger breakdown by connection point over time.

Sydney – London Passenger Share by Connecting Point

ARC/BSP data via Cirium

Things had shifted recently thanks to the war in Iran, but I’m sure that will get back to where it was. This has been a relatively stable market in terms of connecting point, especially when you consider seasonality.

So, will this work? We will find out. It’s not like there isn’t precedent. Singapore has done well with its less dense A350-900ULRs going ultra-long-haul. And these markets are enormous. During peak northern winter, London has more than 800 daily passengers each way. To London, Qantas captures less than 25 percent of the market today — less than 20 percent during peak northern winter — so there is plenty of room to shift share with a nonstop. There is also presumably room to charge a premium, though what people say is not always the same as what they do in practice.

In the end, this will probably work, but I’m not as confident as Qantas is externally. Then again, worst case if it doesn’t pan out, the airline can use those huge fuel tanks to just shuttle fuel OVER the Strait of Hormuz as an aerial tanker. That’s a guaranteed money-maker.

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48 responses to “Qantas Prepares to Break the 10,000 Mile Barrier”

  1. Kilroy Avatar
    Kilroy

    It looks like the seat numbers in your graphic don’t quite match what is in the text, but interesting writeup.

    It will be fun to watch this route. Once the route is live for a few months, it will be interesting to see someone estimate the load factor and RASM/CASM on this route vs routes with connections.

  2. Eric C Avatar
    Eric C

    Quickly throwing some numbers into Sim Brief, and a fully laden A350-1000 stopping in the UAE will burn about as much fuel as the -1000 ULR will on a non-stop with 2/3 the passengers. That’s a pretty significant fuel cost increase per person for the privilege of flying direct.

    1. Grichard Avatar
      Grichard

      Sure. It takes a lot of fuel to haul that last gallon of fuel 10,000 miles. It’s inefficient, but people will pay.

      Exhibit A: Anchorage to Asia. Huge freight hub, no passenger connections.

  3. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    The real story is that Airbus took the A350-900ULR concept which SQ used for ultra long haul flights and allowed the addition of 80 more seats and a couple more hours of range at minimal incremental costs.

    With increased MGTOWs to 322 tonnes, the A350-1000 was already the most capable and efficient long haul aircraft ever but the addition of fuel tanks in the tail added range. All QF or any airline has to do is get the number of passengers down to a number that makes a 20 hour flight possible. However, there are lots of combinations of more passengers but less range than what QF will be doing that will be possible with the latest A350-1000s. 18 hours in the air with 300+ passengers is possible, as is 16 hours with over 350 passengers. and fuel burn that is a fraction of the A380 or Boeing’s longest range jets.

    The A350-900 is already changing the dynamics of long range operations and the A350-1000 will keep Airbus in a category that Boeing cannot touch. Not something to be taken lightly given that Boeing has ruled widebody sales while Airbus has overtaken Boeing in narrowbody sales.

    1. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      In QF’s presentation, they layout the highest volume city pairs at >17 hours stage length. I was shocked to learn that DFW to Hyderabad has >300 PDEWs. I guess that is all of the tech growth in Collin County.

      Come to think of it, AA probably didn’t know that either :)

      1. See_Bee Avatar
        See_Bee

        FWIW, semi-related, AA did get creative in announcing SEA-BLR, but it never flew – note the PR date of Feb 13, 2020
        https://www.portseattle.org/news/american-airlines-announces-sea-blr-route-regions-first-nonstop-india

        1. TMartin Avatar
          TMartin

          A friend of mine, an account manager for a German airline serving DFW, was worried when EK announced they would start service to DFW in 2012. The German airlines’ most flown city pair…DFW to Bangalore (BLR)! That’s why all the ‘gulf’ and Middle East carriers have come to get a piece of the pie…Qatar, Turkish, Royal Jordanian recently, and others (European carriers) that have global networks like Iberia, Air France, Finnair.

      2. John G Avatar
        John G

        My office is in Collin County. Trust me, that’s NOT a shock.

        Most of that 300 pax/day is going to be VFR. It’s not a huge business route.

        American prefers to let Qatar carry most of their India-bound traffic, save their long range planes for other routes.

        1. Bobby Avatar
          Bobby

          I guess I am more shocked that it is coming from Hyderabad, specifically, and not a larger city like Delhi or Mumbai. Though I have heard that a lot of the Dallas contingent is from South India, so I guess Hyderabad makes sense.

          1. See_Bee Avatar
            See_Bee

            From what I understand, HYD and BLR are more tech centric while DEL is more government and BOM is finance. So U.S. parallels for corporate make-up would be

            DEL = IAD
            BOM = JFK
            HYD/BLR = SFO

    2. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      It does make me wonder if the UA folks are looking at this and wondering if the A350 is now a good idea, and that they should convert a portion of their A350 order to a A350-1000 ULR subfleet. They could justify starting SIN-LAX/SFO/EWR and SYD-EWR/ORD with it.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        The A350 made sense for UA and every other airline when Airbus developed the range on the A350-900 to exceed the 787-9 with minimal increased size. It might not have made sense for a 787 operator, as UA is, to have only 789 and 359 fleets without any other members of the 787 or 350 fleets because the cost of near duplicate fleets is high.

        The A350-1000 is the game changer in the A350 decision process for airlines; it is larger, longer range than the 359, and can do what nothing in service from Boeing can do.

        United does not seem too concerned about missing out to the A350 since there are fairly recent negative comments about Rolls Royce by UA execs with no evidence that either side is moving on the financial terms that seem to be the sticking point.

        UA might go with a higher MGTOW 777-9 but that is at least 5 years off if Boeing offers it and it still might not have the range of the 35K even in “standard” versions.

        A big part of the reason that DL sees an opportunity to Asia/Pacific and from LAX is because of the A350-1000s that will allow DL to go further at better economics than anything UA can offer for at least 5 years.

  4. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    The Airbus 350-1000-ULR is one impressive airplane, but for Qantas I wonder what is “down under” it.

  5. BRMM Avatar
    BRMM

    Major humor win with Alan Joyce in economy, Cranky. Too funny.

  6. Jack R Avatar
    Jack R

    Michael Hutchence! Awesome

    1. Brett Avatar

      Jack R – I can’t just turn my back on my deep love of INXS, can I? Saw them in concert in DC shortly before he died. What a show those guys put on.

      1. Jack R Avatar
        Jack R

        Right there with you, part of my playlist and multiple concerts. The reference made my day.

  7. SEAN Avatar
    SEAN

    “The plan is to have six First Class suites, 52 Business Class suites for the less fortunate, 40 Premium Economy seats for those willing to endure pain, and 140 Economy seats for your worst enemies. At least those seats will have 34 inches of pitch in the back, but they will also come with complimentary horse tranquilizers to make the journey more pleasant. With the airplane flying 3-3-3 abreast, I’m told those in the middle of the middle will receive a signed certificate upon arrival proving they completed the journey.”

    If I didn’t know better, I could have assumed this came from the “Onion” or it was a late masterful April fools post… well done.

    1. Kilroy Avatar
      Kilroy

      I thought that my experiences flying BOS to LAX and back (including a redeye on the return) in < 24 hours in Basic Economy a few years ago for Cranky Dorkfest was bad, or that doing JFK – FCO in Basic Economy in a 777 with 10-abreast seating were less than fun, but LHR – SYD in a middle seat on this flight would definitely be much worse.

  8. Kip Avatar
    Kip

    Interesting case here is that this flight might actually be the first flight to bring in the private jet folk if they are really pressed for time and need to be in NYC/London. Small edge case but it only works out to be faster if you realize before the flight takes off on the same day and not need to wait for the next day operation

  9. Iowa Airspace Avatar
    Iowa Airspace

    Disappointing to see that none of the Qantas A350-1000 ULR seats are reserved for Bluey’s family. Feels like Qantas should team up with a paid Bluey advertisement/promotional video for this where Bandit, Chilli, Bluey and Bingo strap in for a 20 hour flight from Sydney to London in economy (not sure what Qantas pets in the cabin policy is but guessing they can make an exception for Blue Heelers).

    1. Brett Avatar

      Iowa – Haha. See, Bluey came around just after my kids stopped caring about that kind of TV so I never saw it. But don’t worry, there is a section reserved for Peppa Pig and Thomas the Tank Engine on BA’s A350s.

  10. Arubaman Avatar
    Arubaman

    Do you think it will be QF1 from PER-SYD-LHR-PER? Or will the flight number change to QF2 in LHR to avoid any confusion in PER, avoiding possibly having two QF1s simultaneously airborne? Around-the-world service makes a statement!!!

  11. bert Avatar
    bert

    With the 3-3-3 configuration in the back, do you think there’s a chance that Qantas leans heavily into a skycouch concept to fill economy seats, with individual seats essentially acting as a loss-leader / price floor for search results?

    1. Kip Avatar
      Kip

      Yeah shocked they didn’t include this. IM sure there is a market for those that want the poor mans business class

  12. Oliver Avatar
    Oliver

    I think they really would have to pay me to take that flight in coach vs. a connecting flight that breaks the torture session into two segments.

  13. Keith Avatar
    Keith

    Maybe they forgot what Dr. Malcom said in Jurassic Park…”They were so preoccupied with whether or not that they could they didn’t stop and think if they should” LOL

    1. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      I mean, F/J and even W are going to be fine. Those 140 seats in Y are going to be filled with rare types that would prefer the non-stop despite being in Economy. 34″ pitch may help sell it.

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Y is gonna be brutal. Even in J on SQ21/22/23/24, by hour 18, I started to get loopy (with over an hour remaining… due to headwinds…)

        1. CraigTPA Avatar
          CraigTPA

          I flew CO’s EWR-HKG back in the day in coach and near the end I was starting to get very antsy even with Ambien. No way I’d ever take a 22 hour flight in anything short of F, and even then I’d probably just take a connecting route instead.

  14. 1990 Avatar
    1990

    Wish they were starting NYC sooner. Taking JFK-AKL-SYD later this year. Would’ve been nice to try this. Maybe in 2027…

  15. John G Avatar
    John G

    Played around with the numbers for fun. Comared nonstop from Sydney vs a stop in Dubai.

    It’s about six hours from Dubai to London. The A350-1000 burns about 6.9 metric tons an hour. So to fly the Dubai to London segment without stopping you will have to carry that fuel from Sydney.

    So nonstop adds about 40 metric tons of fuel.

    That’s over 90,000 pounds of extra fuel you have to carry from Sydney to Dubai, weight you can’t use in pax or cargo.

  16. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    I’d rather get a root canal than sit in Y for a 20 hour flight. But, Raygun deserves to be in a middle seat by the lav on that flight in both directions.

    At least SQ went with a J and W only configuration on their ULR configuration.

    1. 1990 Avatar
      1990

      Yeah, no, yeah… sorry, Raygun; seat’s taken, mate. Joyce gets that one; forever-punishment for sacking 1800 workers…

      1. southbay flier Avatar
        southbay flier

        Who is Joyce?

        1. Brett Avatar

          southbay – Alan Joyce was the CEO of Qantas who left his post not exactly the most beloved person around…

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      Raygun should be in the cargo hold.

    3. potcake Avatar
      potcake

      That’s a no-brainer. With a root canal you arrive in pain and leave pain free; in ULH coach it’s the opposite.

  17. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    Does SQ still run an all business or all premium plane from Singapore to NY?

    Crunching the numbers, it seems like it could make sense to have an all premium plane with premium economy in lieu of Y. There’s only a few inches of difference in pitch.

    I’d think anybody who values the time savings and nonstop flight would be willing to pay up to premium economy. I guess they think they couldn’t sell enough seats with cattle class? Interested to see what this group thinks.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Bill – Yes, a mere 161 seats onboard

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        Any thoughts as to why Qantas didn’t go down that route for Sunrise as it’s presumably been proven successful in the case?

        1. Brett Avatar

          Bill – I think it’s just not as premium of a market as Singapore is. Yes it is premium, but my assumption is the math doesn’t work without having coach onboard.

    2. Peter Richards Avatar
      Peter Richards

      Yes, SQ still runs the non stop flight from SIN to JFK, and vice versa, on the A 350 ULR.

      The flight operates 4 times per week. Singapore has 7 of these ULR airplanes.

      Westbound flying time is listed as 19 hours, 15 minutes, eastbound is 18 hours, 40 minutes.

      There are 67 business class seats, and 94 premium economy seats, 161 total seats.

      Seat chart:

      https://www.aerolopa.com/sq-359-ulr

      From AI….

      The maximum gross takeoff weight for Singapore Airlines’ ultra-long-haul Airbus A350-900ULR flying from New York (JFK) to Singapore (SIN) is 280 metric tonnes (617,294 lbs).This massive weight limit is specially certified for the carrier’s extreme-endurance flights. Because the JFK to SIN route covers roughly 9,530 miles and regularly takes over 18 hours in the air, the aircraft must depart with a near-maximum fuel load to complete the nonstop journey.

      Here are a few quick facts about how the flight manages this extreme weight: Modified Fuel Capacity: The ULR variant carries about 165,000 liters of fuel without needing extra fuel tanks, accounting for a massive portion of its total takeoff weight. Reconfigured Cabin: To stay within weight constraints while carrying all that fuel, Singapore Airlines removed economy class entirely. The plane is configured with only 161 seats (Business Class and Premium Economy)

  18. Seanny Avatar
    Seanny

    You’re relegating Kylie Minogue to business? Say it ain’t so.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Seanny – Listen, hard decisions had to be made. Olivia Newton-John didn?t even make the cut, and don?t get me started on the Yahoo Serious question.

  19. Vincent Avatar
    Vincent

    Should compare seat capacity to JL’s A350-1000 which also just has 239 seats. It is just truly impressive how the two Japanese airlines can make the economics work with their ultra-premium configurations (ANA 77W has just 212 seats).

  20. Steve Avatar
    Steve

    I’m so disappointed that my toddler will turn 2 before this launches, and I won’t have the opportunity to save some $ by taking her as a lap infant in Basic Economy.

  21. GregM Avatar
    GregM

    The 10,573 SM figure being thrown about is a great circle route. (Thank you KLS.)

    But a large part of that route is over Russian territory. My understanding is that Australia (like the US, Canada, UK, and the EU) prohibits its airlines from using Russian airspace. Does anybody know how much distance/time this is likely to add to the flight?

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