Nat Pieper Tackles the Tall Task of Fixing American’s Revenue Problems


Late last year, American brought in Nat Pieper from, well, from right down the hallway where he was CEO of the oneworld alliance to come in and take over as Chief Commercial Officer. American had been (and still is) in a world of hurt. The airline is simply not generating the kind of revenue performance that anyone considers acceptable. The last permanent Chief Commercial Officer Vasu Raja was fired in May 2024. Steve Johnson stepped in to help steady the ship, and he did that, but now it’s Nat’s job to find a way to make the airline competitive again. He’s gonna need all the luck he can get.

They say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Nat does not have an issue with that, telling me bluntly, “we’re number three from a global airline in the US perspective.” Like many people who have been around the industry for a long time, this seemed hard for him to fathom.

Nat started his career at Northwest in finance in 1997. He took over alliances in 2005, and he then made his way to Delta in the merger, handling alliances and fleet strategy at different times. After leaving for a nearly five-year stint at Alaska running fleet and alliances, he went to run oneworld until this job at American came up.

Looking back to the beginning of his career, he had the same sentiment many of us did. “American was the gold standard.”

Clearly, Nat thinks he can help return the airline to its glory days. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have taken the job. But it’s one thing to say that is possible, and it’s another thing to actually make it so.

It’s only been around 100 days since he stepped into his role at American, and that means it’s still on the early side, but he feels the urgency. Nat clearly digs deep from his previous experience, trotting out a so-called former Delta CEO “Richard Andersonism” that speed wins. He does not want to analyze everything to death. Sometimes you need to get enough information and then make a decision. You can’t wait forever to get the perfect answer.

Nat is someone who likes thinking about the issues deeply, and he likes to get into the weeds. Sure, he gives the usual platitudes from a high level about needing to have a product people want to book and fly, but in our conversation, we started talking hub by hub.

In New York, “we can perform and generate good returns…” especially thanks to the strategy shift where the airline started using bigger airplanes to bigger destinations from LaGuardia. In LA, American will hold its own and lean on partners to help make the airline more attractive to travelers.

And in Chicago? Nat says that making decisions that cost the airline gates there was “not a great move,” but he thinks American can still fix its issues and in the long term be profitable. For now, he seems to relish the idea that this skirmish can at least help rally the troops against a common enemy in United. Anything that he can seize on to help get momentum, he seems happy to take advantage of.

Beyond the hub issues, I asked Nat if he had specific ideas of what American needed to fix or if it was just everything. To that, he responded:

I would say everything needs to get better, but if you talk your way into that, you’ll never be able to prioritize and drive anything.

Indeed he’s right, so how is he prioritizing? His number one fix is technology, especially in irregular operations. I think we can all agree this is an area in which American is sorely lacking. And second? It is about the product and making sure that American has a premium product it can be proud of throughout its fleet, not just on new deliveries.

Throughout our conversation, Nat kept referring back to how things worked at Delta or what Richard Anderson would say. He is clearly tapping into his roots in this industry to find the right way forward, but he knows that doesn’t mean that what’s right for Delta will be right for American.

The first thing that popped into my mind to test that idea was in-seat video, something American very noticeably does not have on its domestic fleet but Delta swears by. Would American rethink that? There are no commitments now, but my sense was that no idea is completely off the table. He noted that the entertainment conversation now is different than just a few years ago thanks to the intertwining of advertising, in-seat video, and loyalty. With free wifi just starting at American for AAdvantage members, there is more data and more work to be reviewed. I took this as a broader suggestion that there are no sacred cows, and everything can be revisited because it may now make sense when it didn’t before.

Nat likes to lean on his experience, so fleet and alliances certainly bubble up most easily. He has big ideas for partnerships and hopes that American can deepen its joint venture relationships, not necessarily add more of them. After all, Nat comes from the Northwest/KLM world which set the standard for joint ventures. I don’t doubt there’s work to be done, and he comes in clear-eyed with a refreshing perspective.

American I think from a heritage perspective was always the biggest in those [joint business] partnerships and that put in some kind of superiority mindset that maybe isn’t the best and most conducive

On fleet, Nat wants to keep upgauging. Does that mean finding older aircraft the way he did at Delta? Maybe, maybe not, but he knows first-hand the good work that can be done with older aircraft. He half-jokingly added, “if I could figure out a way to get 200 757s, I’d do that. That’s a great airplane.”

Nat preaches cooperation in every way. Sure there are airline partners and, of course, loyalty partners, but he also spoke internally about how important it is to make sure American is putting together a schedule and network that the operation can actually fly. Bridging that gap further sounds like a priority, and he says American is willing to spend money because that’s the only way to really generate more premium demand.

With the 100-day mark passing, look for Nat to start doing more to make the team his own. He doesn’t have the network and revenue management background that might help him in core areas, but he has alliances, fleet, and he emphasized that he spent a great deal of time working around loyalty especially during the pandemic. He has plenty of ideas, has the motivation, and he understands just how difficult the task ahead will be. He doesn’t run the airline, of course, so we will how effective he can be. If he isn’t, it certainly won’t be for lack of effort.

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35 responses to “Nat Pieper Tackles the Tall Task of Fixing American’s Revenue Problems”

  1. abcdefg Avatar
    abcdefg

    So basically trying to fix the AArrogance

    1. Kenneth Avatar
      Kenneth

      This. AA’s primary problem is a brand one.

  2. Emil D Avatar
    Emil D

    CF, did Nat have the same issues with organized labor at NWA that he does at AA? Is that a speed bump that might be too high to navigate?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Emil D – Nat has never been in charge of labor so I’m not sure exactly what you mean. But Northwest was certainly known for having challenging labor relations in general.

      1. Scott Avatar
        Scott

        I think you meant “abysmal”

        1. Benny Avatar
          Benny

          So then when NWA merged with DL how did the labor strife calm down?

  3. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    I still can hear Doug Parker saying that the AA/US merger was needed so that AA could globally compete with DL and UA; that simply never happened.

    He has to fix AA’s operation which means fixing the overhubbed CLT and DFW, the former of which will never operate as a reliable enough hub with the amount of traffic AA pushes through it.

    AA has to try to win back enough business in NYC and LAX to matter but, unlike UA, DL is not going to make big pronouncements about killing AA but will be slow and methodical in not allowing AA to retake what it gave up over the past 20 years.

    And the real issue is getting AA’s employees to grasp that they have to deliver industry leading service which also means that AA and its labor having to quite fighting with each other long enough to fight the competition and fight for high revenue passengers. AA employees have been comfortable just showing up for work and collecting a paycheck to realize even that is at high risk of a trip through chapter 11 if AA can’t get itself turned around.

    AA doesn’t need domestic seatback AVOD at this point. DL put seatback AVOD on its aircraft long before it committed to free high speed WiFi. With the flip of a switch, AA now trails just DL in having the most WiFi equipped planes in the world; they should plaster Chicago with ads touting the fact that AA’s free WiFi exists now, not just as an aspirational idea as UA has been talking about for years.

    AA probably cannot regain all it had including its former positions in NYC, CHI and LAX. Few airlines regain ground they have lost. But AA has to offer a solid presence in those markets and large functioning hubs where they are by far the largest carrier.

    and they have to cut costs and become a lot more efficient while rebuilding relationships with corporate America, travel agents, and a whole lot of customers that wrote off American years ago.

    Tall order indeed

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      The AVOD biz case could be there. It could be harder (or just less upside) to monetize the IFE if you are connecting to Netflix on your iPad. But if you have a seat back screen to interact with, you are able to create many more interaction points with the customer, display ads during boarding, etc.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        AVOD COULD work but the bigger need is more extra legroom economy seats which actually can generate revenue; AVOD is a “might work” to generate revenue.

        B6 had the first mover advantage on AVOD; DL extended it to a much larger network and got alot of credit for it. There are diminishing returns and it isn’t a given that those that have it win while those that don’t lose.

        You are correct below that AA has way too many RJs and that is a big part of their cost problem; but the high number of RJs is a reflection of their focus on connecting small and medium sized cities and to do it through multiple hubs. RJs, even E175s, are expensive on a per seat basis. and 319s – of which AA has alot – are much higher CASM than other mainline aircraft.
        Alot of fleet issues just won’t be fixed quickly so it comes down to using what AA has and will have in the near future to improve revenue even while holding on and making UA realize a battle for ORD is not winnable by anyone and both sides will hurt each other – even if AA is hurt more – while other carriers will take advantage of AA and UA’s reduced competitive position in other markets to make gains.

        1. See_Bee Avatar
          See_Bee

          No doubt LOPA changes and growing the premium segment is the quicker win, but if AA’s goal is ultimately to not be the 3rd premium US global airline but something better, AVOD plays a role in that

          Getting AVOD onboard will take a minimum 2-3 years to plan, order, and install. These are structural decisions that AA needs to commit to ASAP otherwise they risk getting behind even more. Not having AVOD affects their ability to be associated as a premium brand, even if the customer finds other ways to entertain themselves onboard

          The airline industry is increasingly less commoditized and having a better experience onboard has proven to translate to better market share and revenue premiums. AVOD is a part of that

          1. John G Avatar
            John G

            Is that worth losing six revenue seats every flight?

            Is it worth carrying an extra 500 pounds on every flight? Paying the extra fuel cost of that every flight?

            When every single passenger on the plane has their own entertainment device in their hand.

            They don’t need to go back and put an anachronistic screens on the plane.

            Think forward. How can you use peoples phones that they carry themselves?

            Make the interface easy with the phone that’s already in their hands. That’s what they should be working on.

            1. See_Bee Avatar
              See_Bee

              If that’s true, then why aren’t DL & UA ripping screens out of their planes? If it wasn’t a driver of customer experience, which drives revenue premiums, then why are DL & UA wasting their money on the TVs, weight, etc.?

              I would put my money on DL &A UA management on this one. They have the data to back up the investment decision. I don’t think they are fools

          2. Tim Dunn Avatar
            Tim Dunn

            I think you are right, See_Bee.
            It is just a matter of what will deliver the most things the fastest… and as much as I think those that have AVOD benefit from it, I think AA needs to focus on other things FIRST.

            and many of DL’s aircraft now have tablet-based AVOD that uses the aircraft’s WiFi so it isn’t as much weight as used to be the case.

  4. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    What he can’t easily fix is AA’s problem of having over-simplified its fleet. This part will take time and a lot of capital to fix.

  5. Emil D Avatar
    Emil D

    One of their big mistakes was getting rid of the 757. Great plane. Still is? I wonder what the equivalent to the 757 would be today?

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      If you exclude high elevation operation needs, the XLR is arguably a bit better, but not by too long of a shot. However, with the level of backlog Airbus is dealing with and the central wing box fuel tank problem, it’s only just starting to roll off production lines and it’ll remain not-easy to come by for a while.

      1. kishoreajoshi Avatar
        kishoreajoshi

        No one has explained how the A321 Neo/LR/XLR will take off from SNA (in a heavily premium configuration, of course) during the afternoon during the summer. Rumor has it that may be connected to DL’s front assault on the JFK-SNA route.

        According to the FAA, SNA elevation is 17m/56 ft…

  6. SandyCreek Avatar
    SandyCreek

    One thing I find interesting is Nat’s intent to “keep upgauging”. Does that imply another widebody order? They are refurbishing the 777-200ERs, but you’re only going to get so much life out of 20+ year old airframes, and its widebody backlog is rather depleted compared to UA/DL, which already have superior global networks.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      My guess is widebody is a quantity issue, not gauge issue. They just need more widebodies period

      The upgauging is more around getting rid of RJs. AA has the largest RJ fleet of the big 3 and the least diversity on mainline narrowbody. They need more smaller gauge narrowbodies to replace those RJs

  7. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    Brett – what does it mean to “deepen its joint venture relationships?” I always thought all JVs were essentially the same.

    I hope that resonates with the dolts at Boeing, hearing a current airline exec say that he wishes he had 200 757s, a plane that started flying in 1983 and hasn’t been manufactured in over 20 years. Nobody has ever, or will ever, say that they wish they could have 200 Max 10s. And it certainly won’t be said in the year 2064!

    1. Neil Avatar
      Neil

      Potentially a shift to profit sharing rather than just revenue sharing? I believe several of the DL JVs are structured that way to better align incentives.

      1. See_Bee Avatar
        See_Bee

        That, plus equity investments in those partners to further align priorities. DL has a lot of sway in where VS puts new planes in their network. AA less so with their partners

    2. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      By 2064 we will be traveling via psychic will. If you can in vision the place you want to go, you’ll be able to go there in reality. LOL

    3. Brett Avatar

      Bill – Others have already given some possibilities, but Nat didn’t elaborate on exactly what that meant.

  8. NSS Avatar
    NSS

    I’d call myself an AVGeek but I love this site because you all know so much more technical stuff than I do. I learn a ton here.

    Cranky, what can he actually change in the next 90/180 days? He can’t change planes, he can’t change lounges, he can’t change terminals. Fares? Routes? Does he have 6-12 months to show progress?

    I fly Delta. I live in NYC and it’s just the most convenient. I’m not a crazy fanboy, it’s just the airline I’m most familiar with. And AA seems very far behind DL. LGA is new. JFK is new-ish. SLC is new. DTW and MSP are fine, and have new/refreshed clubs coming. New lounges coming to ATL. The D1 lounges are great. And for the most part – with the exception of the 763s, which we now have a timeline for – you really wouldn’t know you’re often on old planes. I flew on an old 319 last week and from the inside, it looked brand new. DL planes are always full, in my experience, so while the blogosphere loves to dunk on them, the financial results say otherwise. I fly to CDG a lot and when the 764 is the only option, I can pop onto an AF 777, and yes, T1 is a mess but even that will be fixed shortly.

    AA just feels locked into bad ideas. The reviews of the XLR aren’t good, with the bad bathroom ratio and the TVs that have to close for meals. That’s a brand new plane that they’re making a huge bet on. He can’t get out of that deal.

    What can he actually fix that will make a material difference to the passenger experience AND the financials?

    1. Ben Avatar
      Ben

      I feel there are some things he can do that would only require months to implement, just off of the top of my head:

      1) Improve Admirals Club F&B. Some have tiny kitchens which limits what they can do for food, but that has less of an impact on food cost. Improve that slightly to enable higher quality food. Take beverages up a notch as well – make several craft beers complimentary rather than just 1, spend a little more on wine and add a few choices so it’s not just white/red/sparkling, go up one level in spirits (e.g. Stoli instead of Svedka, Walker instead of Cutty Sark, etc)

      2) Remove 3 economy seats from the XLRs and 789Ps (one side of a row) and create 21-24 additional MCE seats

      3) Make more improvements to the BOB program – it’s made some small steps, but they can still improve upon it a bit

      4) If the FA contract allows it, add a middle ground to the first class food selection on flights between 500-899 miles, like a plated sandwich. Going from a snack basket on a 2h45m flight like DFW-PHX to a full appetizer – main – dessert for a flight just a few miles longer seems weird.

      5) Go back to plated meals on Eagle instead of the snack boxes (I don’t believe there is any airplane restriction here, simply cost)

      6) Expand Provisions to other airports (even with airport bureaucracy it shouldn’t take too long given how barebones the setup is outside of electricity and standard airport HVAC)

      7) Allow gate agents to update the boarding time. From what I’ve seen, it is solely based off of the departure time and the agents cannot update it. I’ve been stuffed in the corner of a concourse with 150+ others waiting to board a flight at boarding time with no sign boarding is starting any time soon and a convoluted system to get the departure time pushed back

    2. Brett Avatar

      NSS – The most important thing he can try to change is the attitude. Just getting people to rally behind something will make a difference, though that’s tough when he’s not the CEO. There are certainly bigger structural issues that take more time, but all we can do is wait and watch.

  9. Swanjet744 Avatar
    Swanjet744

    What everyone is commenting on (with one exception, so far) is all tangible changes. I’ve worked with Nat in my NWA days, including together in the JV with KLM, and while there is A LOT of work, operations-wise, which needs to be done to get this dingy airline back on the road to its former glory, what is needed is to improve your employee morale and get your customer service back to being A SERVICE! I fly DL exclusively (sorry, too many years -14- as a red tail and 13 years as a blue tail (KLM) and, while DL’s ops by and large are really humming, what makes flying them over others an easy choice is THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE. Face it- everybody is flying the same silver tubes with similar IFE… no one chooses their airline because a Michelin star chef is cooking the food. It comes down to the way you are treated. And giving your employees the tools to help the customers gives them the support they need to start treating the customers like human beings, instead of self-loading freight. Oh, and a decent loyalty program doesn’t hurt, either. But it’s with your front line staff that you need to get things sorted…. Having a team who care about what they do and are recognized for it, is just a start.

    1. EasyMoney Avatar
      EasyMoney

      You’re correct that Michelin-accredited dining is really low on the list of things American should prioritize, especially with the soft product reputation they have. The Delta path to success is to fix the operation and watch customer satisfaction climb. But from the commercial standpoint, I suspect there are only so many levers Pieper can pull. You can’t mandate from the top down “hey we have to work faster and start being nicer to customers.” Ideally AA would reduce nickel-and-dining and increase block times/787-9P staffing, but those are expensive fixes that may not work.

      Instead, I think the right approach here is the “United approach” they’re taking. Build a product that your employees are proud of and excited about. Maybe that includes Michelin dining and champagne in J. Your NPS scores will go up, and you’ll be able to retain better people (who feel good about investing their energy in improving the operation). Without that, there’s no incentive for AA’s frontliners to do better.

      1. See_Bee Avatar
        See_Bee

        RE: You can’t mandate from the top down “hey we have to work faster and start being nicer to customers.”

        Maybe you can’t mandate but you can incentive; DL did it for years through shared rewards for ops groups for certain results. This is also “investing in the operation” beyond padding block time, airport technology, etc.

        Example 1: Lead US carriers in domestic A14 for the most recent month? Great, here’s a $200 bonus for all airport employees
        Example 2: Improve onboard NPS ## pts from last year? Awesome, the IFS team gets a $250 bonus for that month

        The key here is paying out in “real time” vs waiting until the end of the year. Celebrate the success internally in a more vocal manner and people respond to $$, especially someone making $15-20/hr as a ramp agent

        1. EasyMoney Avatar
          EasyMoney

          Yeah, these are great ideas that AA should implement. I agree that shortening the incentive timelines and giving people a financial stake could really help here. However, these seem a little more like things that COO Seymour should be focusing on; might be outside of CCO Pieper’s control. As referenced below, I have minimal faith in Seymour to right the ship

  10. EasyMoney Avatar
    EasyMoney

    If the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, COO David Seymour needs to go. He gave a shambolic interview on Airlines Confidential last week. He denied that climate change could make airline ops tougher, whiffed on softballs about being last place in the WSJ operational rankings, lied that American’s post-Fern recovery was complete by Tuesday night, and contradicted his CEO by claiming that FAs didn’t sleep on floors. Never seen anything like it and I think Pieper, Garboden, and even Isom won’t be able to get much done with him gumming up the gears. Seymour, if you read this: you probably owe your colleagues an apology, that was a real bad look

  11. David C Avatar
    David C

    Agree that fixing operations is ground zero. The swap to a rolling hub at DFW I believe helped already. Additional gates will help.

    They need to add 15 minutes to every spoke turn in the system just to reduce customer stress. So many boarding times are posted that are the scheduled arrival time of the inbound aircraft.

    Make minimum connection time 90 min at DFW.

    They always seem to be behind no matter the weather with numerous delays and cancelled flights.

    They have a chance…

    There is not THAT much difference between the big 3 onboard…worst flight experience in last 6 months was on Delta….

    But when I fly American I have the least confidence that they will actually get me to where I’m going.

  12. Dan GOLDZBAND Avatar
    Dan GOLDZBAND

    Quality of service IS the single most important factor and I am glad to read all the comments stating that they key to improving it is to provide employees something to be proud of. Anyone who has coached any kind of team knows that the path from a loosing to a winning season is stepwise, building on incremental improvements. All the technical items do matter, but they will fail if service does not improve. Just as speakers are the bottom line of a sound system, service quality is the bottom line of any organization.

  13. Jeremy Avatar
    Jeremy

    None of the US3 are perfect. UA has some disgusting B757s (my FAO-EWR “Polaris” flight was horrible – 4 of the 16 Business Class seats were out of service, the food was vile (not thawed so we were served literally frozen eggs), but the wine list was admittedly great. Less said about the outdated B777-200s. DL is similar – the B763 product on transcons is a joke. The B764 product is middling. The B717s look and feel outdated.

    Difference is, they know how to market what they do well and try to invest to differentiate where they can. They are fun brands.

    DL’s Delta One Lounge at JFK is fantastic (not as impressed by LAX, but that may just be me). The A350 Delta One product is solid – their A321neos look great. The amenity kits presentation with Missoni feels premium. The SkyClubs look and present their food (which is not high quality) nicely creating an upscale vibe. Similarly, UA’s Polaris Lounges are great, and their planes updated with NEXT feel cutting edge with mood lighting and sleek IFE.

    AA is boring. The planes are grey with no screens. The Admirals Clubs look like industrial hospitals. The long-haul product is competitive. Regional jets are the same across the board. The IFE gap on non-RJ domestic is real. But the brand is a dumpster-fire.

    Fix operational reliability (which does lag UA and DL – not by a ton, but there’s a gap). Add RFID tagging on luggage for real-time updates. Update the app interface to be more like UA – the boarding progress and delay updates are great. Continue to invest in the experience – no more Brandon Blackwood amenity kits. Stop serving food in a box. Getting rid of Barclay’s was good (made you look like a Mickey Mouse operation – Delta + Amex, United + Chase, and American with Barclay’s? Sure they had Citi too but who banks with Barclay’s in the US?)

    Sell what you do well – AA’s XLR has 32″ legroom in economy which for a transcon will be among the leading products. Why is that not known? The new Flagship Suite is solid – make the differentiation more clear on what that actually is to a non-frequent flyer. The A321T and Flagship First Dining were leading offerings when they started (arguably still the best product for a transcon), yet so many don’t know about them. Add more a la carte dining in the Flagship Lounges and figure out + fix your premium lounge offering at LAX.

    You’re not competing with exceptional airlines – DL and UA are also mediocre nowhere as good as they or their fans think they are. But this grey boring operation with no focus on the customer is not going to cut it. Eventually we all know the IFE is going to come back on AA once their finances look better, but even in the interim just acting like you care will make a difference. That’s when you can do the colors + mood lighting. But today AA just feels so corporate – honestly, they could learn branding from B6.

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