Nat Pieper Tackles the Tall Task of Fixing American’s Revenue Problems


Late last year, American brought in Nat Pieper from, well, from right down the hallway where he was CEO of the oneworld alliance to come in and take over as Chief Commercial Officer. American had been (and still is) in a world of hurt. The airline is simply not generating the kind of revenue performance that anyone considers acceptable. The last permanent Chief Commercial Officer Vasu Raja was fired in May 2024. Steve Johnson stepped in to help steady the ship, and he did that, but now it’s Nat’s job to find a way to make the airline competitive again. He’s gonna need all the luck he can get.

They say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Nat does not have an issue with that, telling me bluntly, “we’re number three from a global airline in the US perspective.” Like many people who have been around the industry for a long time, this seemed hard for him to fathom.

Nat started his career at Northwest in finance in 1997. He took over alliances in 2005, and he then made his way to Delta in the merger, handling alliances and fleet strategy at different times. After leaving for a nearly five-year stint at Alaska running fleet and alliances, he went to run oneworld until this job at American came up.

Looking back to the beginning of his career, he had the same sentiment many of us did. “American was the gold standard.”

Clearly, Nat thinks he can help return the airline to its glory days. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have taken the job. But it’s one thing to say that is possible, and it’s another thing to actually make it so.

It’s only been around 100 days since he stepped into his role at American, and that means it’s still on the early side, but he feels the urgency. Nat clearly digs deep from his previous experience, trotting out a so-called former Delta CEO “Richard Andersonism” that speed wins. He does not want to analyze everything to death. Sometimes you need to get enough information and then make a decision. You can’t wait forever to get the perfect answer.

Nat is someone who likes thinking about the issues deeply, and he likes to get into the weeds. Sure, he gives the usual platitudes from a high level about needing to have a product people want to book and fly, but in our conversation, we started talking hub by hub.

In New York, “we can perform and generate good returns…” especially thanks to the strategy shift where the airline started using bigger airplanes to bigger destinations from LaGuardia. In LA, American will hold its own and lean on partners to help make the airline more attractive to travelers.

And in Chicago? Nat says that making decisions that cost the airline gates there was “not a great move,” but he thinks American can still fix its issues and in the long term be profitable. For now, he seems to relish the idea that this skirmish can at least help rally the troops against a common enemy in United. Anything that he can seize on to help get momentum, he seems happy to take advantage of.

Beyond the hub issues, I asked Nat if he had specific ideas of what American needed to fix or if it was just everything. To that, he responded:

I would say everything needs to get better, but if you talk your way into that, you’ll never be able to prioritize and drive anything.

Indeed he’s right, so how is he prioritizing? His number one fix is technology, especially in irregular operations. I think we can all agree this is an area in which American is sorely lacking. And second? It is about the product and making sure that American has a premium product it can be proud of throughout its fleet, not just on new deliveries.

Throughout our conversation, Nat kept referring back to how things worked at Delta or what Richard Anderson would say. He is clearly tapping into his roots in this industry to find the right way forward, but he knows that doesn’t mean that what’s right for Delta will be right for American.

The first thing that popped into my mind to test that idea was in-seat video, something American very noticeably does not have on its domestic fleet but Delta swears by. Would American rethink that? There are no commitments now, but my sense was that no idea is completely off the table. He noted that the entertainment conversation now is different than just a few years ago thanks to the intertwining of advertising, in-seat video, and loyalty. With free wifi just starting at American for AAdvantage members, there is more data and more work to be reviewed. I took this as a broader suggestion that there are no sacred cows, and everything can be revisited because it may now make sense when it didn’t before.

Nat likes to lean on his experience, so fleet and alliances certainly bubble up most easily. He has big ideas for partnerships and hopes that American can deepen its joint venture relationships, not necessarily add more of them. After all, Nat comes from the Northwest/KLM world which set the standard for joint ventures. I don’t doubt there’s work to be done, and he comes in clear-eyed with a refreshing perspective.

American I think from a heritage perspective was always the biggest in those [joint business] partnerships and that put in some kind of superiority mindset that maybe isn’t the best and most conducive

On fleet, Nat wants to keep upgauging. Does that mean finding older aircraft the way he did at Delta? Maybe, maybe not, but he knows first-hand the good work that can be done with older aircraft. He half-jokingly added, “if I could figure out a way to get 200 757s, I’d do that. That’s a great airplane.”

Nat preaches cooperation in every way. Sure there are airline partners and, of course, loyalty partners, but he also spoke internally about how important it is to make sure American is putting together a schedule and network that the operation can actually fly. Bridging that gap further sounds like a priority, and he says American is willing to spend money because that’s the only way to really generate more premium demand.

With the 100-day mark passing, look for Nat to start doing more to make the team his own. He doesn’t have the network and revenue management background that might help him in core areas, but he has alliances, fleet, and he emphasized that he spent a great deal of time working around loyalty especially during the pandemic. He has plenty of ideas, has the motivation, and he understands just how difficult the task ahead will be. He doesn’t run the airline, of course, so we will how effective he can be. If he isn’t, it certainly won’t be for lack of effort.

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18 responses to “Nat Pieper Tackles the Tall Task of Fixing American’s Revenue Problems”

  1. abcdefg Avatar
    abcdefg

    So basically trying to fix the AArrogance

    1. Kenneth Avatar
      Kenneth

      This. AA’s primary problem is a brand one.

  2. Emil D Avatar
    Emil D

    CF, did Nat have the same issues with organized labor at NWA that he does at AA? Is that a speed bump that might be too high to navigate?

  3. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    I still can hear Doug Parker saying that the AA/US merger was needed so that AA could globally compete with DL and UA; that simply never happened.

    He has to fix AA’s operation which means fixing the overhubbed CLT and DFW, the former of which will never operate as a reliable enough hub with the amount of traffic AA pushes through it.

    AA has to try to win back enough business in NYC and LAX to matter but, unlike UA, DL is not going to make big pronouncements about killing AA but will be slow and methodical in not allowing AA to retake what it gave up over the past 20 years.

    And the real issue is getting AA’s employees to grasp that they have to deliver industry leading service which also means that AA and its labor having to quite fighting with each other long enough to fight the competition and fight for high revenue passengers. AA employees have been comfortable just showing up for work and collecting a paycheck to realize even that is at high risk of a trip through chapter 11 if AA can’t get itself turned around.

    AA doesn’t need domestic seatback AVOD at this point. DL put seatback AVOD on its aircraft long before it committed to free high speed WiFi. With the flip of a switch, AA now trails just DL in having the most WiFi equipped planes in the world; they should plaster Chicago with ads touting the fact that AA’s free WiFi exists now, not just as an aspirational idea as UA has been talking about for years.

    AA probably cannot regain all it had including its former positions in NYC, CHI and LAX. Few airlines regain ground they have lost. But AA has to offer a solid presence in those markets and large functioning hubs where they are by far the largest carrier.

    and they have to cut costs and become a lot more efficient while rebuilding relationships with corporate America, travel agents, and a whole lot of customers that wrote off American years ago.

    Tall order indeed

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      The AVOD biz case could be there. It could be harder (or just less upside) to monetize the IFE if you are connecting to Netflix on your iPad. But if you have a seat back screen to interact with, you are able to create many more interaction points with the customer, display ads during boarding, etc.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        AVOD COULD work but the bigger need is more extra legroom economy seats which actually can generate revenue; AVOD is a “might work” to generate revenue.

        B6 had the first mover advantage on AVOD; DL extended it to a much larger network and got alot of credit for it. There are diminishing returns and it isn’t a given that those that have it win while those that don’t lose.

        You are correct below that AA has way too many RJs and that is a big part of their cost problem; but the high number of RJs is a reflection of their focus on connecting small and medium sized cities and to do it through multiple hubs. RJs, even E175s, are expensive on a per seat basis. and 319s – of which AA has alot – are much higher CASM than other mainline aircraft.
        Alot of fleet issues just won’t be fixed quickly so it comes down to using what AA has and will have in the near future to improve revenue even while holding on and making UA realize a battle for ORD is not winnable by anyone and both sides will hurt each other – even if AA is hurt more – while other carriers will take advantage of AA and UA’s reduced competitive position in other markets to make gains.

  4. Jacques Cukierkorn Avatar
    Jacques Cukierkorn

    AA should care about the clients. Get rid of staff like Bob Carlson from Dallas, who rejoices in abusing passangers. Then, perhaps, passangers will consider returning. Since I know AA won’t do it, it will fail!

  5. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    What he can’t easily fix is AA’s problem of having over-simplified its fleet. This part will take time and a lot of capital to fix.

  6. Emil D Avatar
    Emil D

    One of their big mistakes was getting rid of the 757. Great plane. Still is? I wonder what the equivalent to the 757 would be today?

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      If you exclude high elevation operation needs, the XLR is arguably a bit better, but not by too long of a shot. However, with the level of backlog Airbus is dealing with and the central wing box fuel tank problem, it’s only just starting to roll off production lines and it’ll remain not-easy to come by for a while.

  7. SandyCreek Avatar
    SandyCreek

    One thing I find interesting is Nat’s intent to “keep upgauging”. Does that imply another widebody order? They are refurbishing the 777-200ERs, but you’re only going to get so much life out of 20+ year old airframes, and its widebody backlog is rather depleted compared to UA/DL, which already have superior global networks.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      My guess is widebody is a quantity issue, not gauge issue. They just need more widebodies period

      The upgauging is more around getting rid of RJs. AA has the largest RJ fleet of the big 3 and the least diversity on mainline narrowbody. They need more smaller gauge narrowbodies to replace those RJs

  8. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    Brett – what does it mean to “deepen its joint venture relationships?” I always thought all JVs were essentially the same.

    I hope that resonates with the dolts at Boeing, hearing a current airline exec say that he wishes he had 200 757s, a plane that started flying in 1983 and hasn’t been manufactured in over 20 years. Nobody has ever, or will ever, say that they wish they could have 200 Max 10s. And it certainly won’t be said in the year 2064!

    1. Neil Avatar
      Neil

      Potentially a shift to profit sharing rather than just revenue sharing? I believe several of the DL JVs are structured that way to better align incentives.

      1. See_Bee Avatar
        See_Bee

        That, plus equity investments in those partners to further align priorities. DL has a lot of sway in where VS puts new planes in their network. AA less so with their partners

    2. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      By 2064 we will be traveling via psychic will. If you can in vision the place you want to go, you’ll be able to go there in reality. LOL

  9. NSS Avatar
    NSS

    I’d call myself an AVGeek but I love this site because you all know so much more technical stuff than I do. I learn a ton here.

    Cranky, what can he actually change in the next 90/180 days? He can’t change planes, he can’t change lounges, he can’t change terminals. Fares? Routes? Does he have 6-12 months to show progress?

    I fly Delta. I live in NYC and it’s just the most convenient. I’m not a crazy fanboy, it’s just the airline I’m most familiar with. And AA seems very far behind DL. LGA is new. JFK is new-ish. SLC is new. DTW and MSP are fine, and have new/refreshed clubs coming. New lounges coming to ATL. The D1 lounges are great. And for the most part – with the exception of the 763s, which we now have a timeline for – you really wouldn’t know you’re often on old planes. I flew on an old 319 last week and from the inside, it looked brand new. DL planes are always full, in my experience, so while the blogosphere loves to dunk on them, the financial results say otherwise. I fly to CDG a lot and when the 764 is the only option, I can pop onto an AF 777, and yes, T1 is a mess but even that will be fixed shortly.

    AA just feels locked into bad ideas. The reviews of the XLR aren’t good, with the bad bathroom ratio and the TVs that have to close for meals. That’s a brand new plane that they’re making a huge bet on. He can’t get out of that deal.

    What can he actually fix that will make a material difference to the passenger experience AND the financials?

    1. Ben Avatar
      Ben

      I feel there are some things he can do that would only require months to implement, just off of the top of my head:

      1) Improve Admirals Club F&B. Some have tiny kitchens which limits what they can do for food, but that has less of an impact on food cost. Improve that slightly to enable higher quality food. Take beverages up a notch as well – make several craft beers complimentary rather than just 1, spend a little more on wine and add a few choices so it’s not just white/red/sparkling, go up one level in spirits (e.g. Stoli instead of Svedka, Walker instead of Cutty Sark, etc)

      2) Remove 3 economy seats from the XLRs and 789Ps (one side of a row) and create 21-24 additional MCE seats

      3) Make more improvements to the BOB program – it’s made some small steps, but they can still improve upon it a bit

      4) If the FA contract allows it, add a middle ground to the first class food selection on flights between 500-899 miles, like a plated sandwich. Going from a snack basket on a 2h45m flight like DFW-PHX to a full appetizer – main – dessert for a flight just a few miles longer seems weird.

      5) Go back to plated meals on Eagle instead of the snack boxes (I don’t believe there is any airplane restriction here, simply cost)

      6) Expand Provisions to other airports (even with airport bureaucracy it shouldn’t take too long given how barebones the setup is outside of electricity and standard airport HVAC)

      7) Allow gate agents to update the boarding time. From what I’ve seen, it is solely based off of the departure time and the agents cannot update it. I’ve been stuffed in the corner of a concourse with 150+ others waiting to board a flight at boarding time with no sign boarding is starting any time soon and a convoluted system to get the departure time pushed back

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