Delta Keeps Getting Bigger With B787-10 Order


It had been rumored for a long time, but Delta finally made it official during its recent earnings call when it said it had ordered 30 Boeing 787-10s with options for 30 more. On the surface, it seems strange that Delta would go back to Boeing for a big airplane after being Airbus-only for so long. But there is, as is always the case with Delta, a method to this madness. Still, there has to be more to come, because there’s still more replacement needed.

If we look at Delta’s long-haul fleet today, it looks something like this (give or take a few shells):

  • 13 B757-200s with flat beds (168 seats)
  • 37 B767-300s (most with 216 seats)
  • 11 A330-200s (223 seats)
  • 20 B767-400s (238 seats)
  • 21 premium-heavy A350-900s (275 seats)
  • 39 A330-900neos (281 seats)
  • 31 A330-300s (282 seats)
  • 19 premium-light A350-900s (306 seats)

As you can see, there are a lot of old airplanes in that fleet. You know how many of those 50 B757s/B767s were delivered in a year starting with a “2”?

Two of them. (B757-200 N723TW was delivered to TWA in January 2000 while B767-300ER N178DZ was delivered to Delta in May 2000.)

But that’s not all. The B767-400ERs were all delivered between 1999 and 2002 while all the A330-200s and 21 of the A330-300s came in between 2003 and 2007.

With these airplanes aging out, the time has come for Delta to start replacing them. And since it is not easy to get delivery slots, this became a more urgent issue to get an order on the books.

Some of the replacements are already happening. The domestic market, for example, appears to be largely set.

It has been reported that Delta will outfit 21 of its A321neos with flat beds to handle much of the domestic premium duty that the B757s handle today… and more. Those will undoubtedly replace some of the work done by the B767-300ERs as well in the domestic market. I’m sure there will still be some widebodies that fly the domestic network, but this should be the domestic flagship.

The other relatively easy region to look at is the Pacific.

Yes, I’m aware this is overly-simplistic, but the A350 has been Delta’s Asian airplane of choice for some time. Now that Delta has taken premium-heavy aircraft with 275 seats instead of 306, those have found a happy home in the Pacific, but that may be something of a temporary situation.

Delta has already placed an order for 20 A350-1000s which will give Delta even more capacity on Asian routes that need it. Not everything will be an A350-1000, but my assumption is that this is where that airplane will shine. It’s a big airplane, and Asia can support big airplanes quite nicely.

Of course, some of that flying will be growth to places like India and new Asian destinations, so I imagine A350-900s will continue in the market as well. But those are the two airplanes that will dominate this region.

But then, there’s the Atlantic. This is the most complicated fleet composition and it’s the one that has the oldest and smallest aircraft. I’ll include Latin in here since it’s the same fleet, but Latin is just a blip compared to the massive Transatlantic operation.

Presumably Delta will keep flying its A330-900neos in this market. There is an outstanding option for 10 of those airplanes, but I believe the order itself has been fully delivered. This is a great Atlantic airplane. At the same time, I would expect the A350-900s will continue in these regions and may very well see the fleet grow as -1000s populate the Pacific. This is a bigger airplane that’s good for those hub-to-hub routes like Paris and Amsterdam.

That leaves us with a bunch of old airplanes that need replacement, some sooner than others.

The most immediate need has to be the 20-or-so 216-seat B767-300ERs flying internationally — especially in summer to Europe — along with the 20 238-seat B767-400ERs. Those 40 aircraft are all at least 24 years old today, and they will almost all be thirty before the first replacement arrives.

These are pretty small airplanes in the scheme of things, and Delta has now decided it does not care for small airplanes. Instead, it ordered those big B787-10s. This is Delta’s first Boeing widebody order since… well, I can’t count that high. It’s been a minute.

We don’t know how many seats will be on the B787-10s, but assume there will be around 300. (United, to compare, has 318 seats while British Airways has a mere 256.) That’s a big jump over what is flying today, but hey, upgauging is the name of the game over there.

Why not order the B787-8 to match capacity? First, that assumes Delta wants to match capacity and isn’t more interested in growing gauge, which we have known to be true. But second, the -8 isn’t a great airplane. It’s not going to deliver the same kind of cost efficiency. The -9 is a good airplane with range, but Delta doesn’t need range here. Also, it apparently preferred something… that’s pretty much the same capacity as the A350-900, so… there’s that.

The first deliveries don’t show up until way down the line in 2031. You can be sure that with that date so far away and the fact that Boeing really, really wanted to get Delta back into the fold as a widebody customer, Delta got a great deal on this order.

On top of that, Delta has opted for the GE GEnx engines. Its A350s and A330-900neos are all Rolls-powered airplanes, so this gives Delta a good balance. In today’s world where aircraft engine manufacturers fight to see who can be least reliable, having multiple options in the fleet is an important hedge.

Sure, there’s the argument to be made about fleet and engine commonality and all that, but we aren’t talking about tiny fleets here. Besides, Delta’s TechOps likes to work on every airframe and engine known to man anyway. It’s good for (their) business. And if the -10 delivers as Delta hopes, it will be an even bigger fleet. The airline does, after all, have 30 options.

Perhaps this plus moving some A350s over will be enough to satisfy this early wave of Boeing retirements, but then there’s more. The 11 223-seat A330-200s and 21 282-seat A330-300s aren’t far behind. (There are ten A330-300s that have GE instead of Pratt engines and are much newer, but you have to assume those will be replaced in this same round.) So how do these get replaced?

If Delta exercises those -10 options, then that would go a long way, but it’s not enough. Could Delta think about ordering something smaller? Maybe the -9 has a place. Airbus doesn’t really have a good option, but already having the -10 in the fleet gives Delta more to work with. But on the other hand, Delta seems good with big airplanes, at least for now. Still there is now not going to be anything with less than 275 seats in Delta’s future long-haul fleet. Remember, it doesn’t even have A321LR/XLRs on order, so it’s big widebody or bust at this point.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see some -10s exercised as -9s down the line, but maybe it’s just a little too early to have those answers. As always, Delta will probably just wait for the next golden opportunity to acquire aircraft for cheap.

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20 responses to “Delta Keeps Getting Bigger With B787-10 Order”

  1. Charles Avatar
    Charles

    Don’t forget that the 330ceos are getting new cabins starting this year, which will cover the -200s and -300s, so those are sticking around for a while. The options could be used to replace those when the time comes.

  2. Lost Luggage Avatar
    Lost Luggage

    Knowing Delta, it got a very good deal from Boeing wanting to keep them in the fold.
    Also, it allows Delta to wave the flag on US jobs via airframes and engines.
    I would think the -9 would be the sweet spot (greater rage, less gauge), but these can be ordered via options on the back end.
    A win-win for all.

    However, I think the entire industry is in a frenzy on premium service. Don’t be surprised if some of the sleeping pods (Business Class) are stripped out during the next recession. Airlines are resistant to provide upgrades on domestic and TALT/TPAC.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Do you mean the recession we are headed into or the one that follows it.

      Wendover productions had a recent YT video on the return of the widebody aircraft such as the Airbus 380.

      1. Lost Luggage Avatar
        Lost Luggage

        @Sean
        I’ve watched Wendover productions on many occasions. The producer does an excellent job with well researched material.

        However, recessions can be global or can be regional. I still feel there’s too much capital spent on Business Class. When the recession hits and airlines cut back on hot meals, free WiFi, number of fight attendants, or amenity kits, you’ll hear sooooo much carping about failed expectations. And with people like Vasu Raja and his Disciples working among the big four, it will be a cold day before you get that free or discounted upgrade. They rather bleed than give anything away.

  3. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    good summary esp. around upgauging that DL led the industry in doing with domestic aircraft and is now doing w/ widebodies for international service.

    The A321NEO will take over some domestic work which is part of why there is nowhere close to a 1 for 1 replacement of the 767-300ERs, over half of which are used for domestic routes including transcons and Hawaii.

    While AA and UA are committing to the A321XLR, DL, so far is only going bigger on TATL and Latin flights. Upgauging has increased margins for US airlines across the board so it is hard to understand how AA and UA think that the 321XLR will be better than a widebody from a financial standpoint. The XLR doesn’t have great takeoff performance so they won’t be flying to short runway airports like the 757 and even the 763 can do. also, DL really doesn’t use the 350 that much to Europe or S. America other than the ex-Latam 350s and the last of those has already been modded to the new standard 275 seat configuration. there will be a few 350s used to Europe and S. America because DL can get utilization out of those planes but they will be predominantly for Africa and Asia, regions where DL will grow.

    across the Pacific, the A350 is simply a larger and longer range aircraft; Airbus developed the 350 after the 787 and did what Airbus has done multiple times which is make the Airbus model larger and more capable than the competing Boeing model. AA and UA are taking seats off of the 787 in order to push the range of the 787-9 that the 350 and esp. the 35K can do with far more seats. the 35K will have the best economics with the most capability of any aircraft in the US carrier fleet. The real question is if UA finally decides they have to act on their 350 order or let DL have an advantage that UA an only match by flying multiple 787s in a market.

    DL will exercise the remaining Airbus widebody options which can be used for any Airbus widebody just as they will exercise the 787 options in time.
    The GE engine overhaul rights which DL got with the 787 order gives DL exclusive US airline rights for every new generation engine that is currently in service and justifies the fleet diversity which makes much less sense for other airlines.

    1. SandyCreek Avatar
      SandyCreek

      I suspect AA and UA both know that XLR doesn’t carry the economy of scale a long widebody variant (e.g. 787-10) has, nor the performance initially hoped for (which likely degrades further as seatcount increases, partially accounting for their premium heavy configuration), and that they use XLR as either a supplement to markets too thin to support widebodies (both), and in AA’s case, a band-aid to their 787 order and delivery problem.

  4. See_Bee Avatar
    See_Bee

    I have to think the secondary market is a viable option for the next tranche of WBs in the 2030s. DL has historically preferred to be low risk/cost when it comes to widebodies and the low ownership costs of TATL fleet in particular given them more flexibility on seasonal flying (compared to AA for example which needs to keep utilization high on their young WB fleet)

    Think about it. Why pay full price for a new 787-9 when there are probably a significant amount of those coming off lease in the 2030s at their mid-life (787s started delivering at scale in the mid/late-2010s). If I’m the DL fleet team, I’m scraping the Cirium fleet database for those lessors and starting to have discussions on purchasing when their current operator (hopefully) doesn’t extend

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      Assuming they don’t extend that is.

      1. See_Bee Avatar
        See_Bee

        The global widebody fleet is 40-50% leased with the younger fleet types closer to 50-60%. There is never a 100% renewal rate for various reasons (economic recessions, fleet renewal, etc.). Depending on how some of the lease contracts are structured, the mid-life heavy checks may look financially unattractive to the operator and lessor

        A strategy for DL given that they have some of the best financial flexibility in the industry AND in-house MRO capabilities is to offer to take on the mid-life maintenance in exchange for purchasing rights and/or more favorable pricing

        The trick will be finding some scale. It doesn’t really make sense to do this on multiple one-off instances but there may be a goldie locks lessor/operator where they have a decent sub-fleet they need to move on from

  5. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    757 replacement is obvious but how will 321s “replace some of the work done by the B767-300ERs” domestically? Unless you’re talking about 2 for 1!

    1. Kevin Avatar
      Kevin

      There some differences depending on which variant(s) we’re talking about, but the difference in capacity between an A321-NEO and the 767-300 isn’t that big- it’s really only ~15-20 seats.

      1. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        Kevin,
        the 321NEOs that will be premium configured will seat 148 passengers – when the Delta One seats are certified but your point is valid that the 763 is a small widebody; the difference is about 65 seats.

        and Bill,
        it is precisely because the 763 is a small widebody that DL can easily replace a few flights with premium configured 321NEOs (a downgauge on a direct flight to flight basis) but replace a couple more flight on a 763 with a larger widebody like the 333 or 339. You can pull out a number of widebodies if you do that across a number of JFK transcon flights plus using domestic narrowbodies from the west coast to Hawaii. Keep a widebody or two per day in the market for cargo.

        DL’s biggest opportunity to increase the use of the 321NEO is to put more fuel tanks on its 321s. The current domestic 321NEOs can only do the west coast to Hawaii and sometimes struggle w/ doing that in the winter. The premium 321NEOs won’t even be ETOPS so they can’t fly over the ocean.

        UA has shown with its MAX to Europe strategy that there are markets that support domestic configured narrowbodies but DL can’t do that with its current or planned 321 fleet, even if they don’t go over the 8 hours that DL says doesn’t make sense due to costs on narrowbodies.

        Many markets like Ireland and Iceland are heavily served by narrowbodies in what is domestic configuration but DL cannot serve those types of markets but could with some minor changes to its thinking about widebodies even without going for the XLR.
        A domestic narrowbody can go back to domestic service for the 8 months of the year where fares over the Atlantic do not support many flights.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Bill – Delta has a surprising number of domestic widebodies these days. It has some of its oldest flying routes like Atlanta-SFO and Boston-West Coast. Those aren’t likely to be replaced with another widebody. That’s probably an A321neo in a domestic config. But routes like JFK-LAX/SFO… those need more premium and the new A321neo with 148 seats and flat beds will be the chariot of choice. Wouldn’t surprise me to see widebodies still flowing through JFK-LAX sometimes.

  6. Wany Avatar
    Wany

    A330-900neo is referred as A330-900ER in the second half of the article and the graph.
    There is going to be a long time before DL get its hands on these 787. Could DL tap into the used aircraft market again like it did before? I am sure used widebodies are hot commodity these days. I am curious if they can find a good deal somewhere.

  7. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    Curious to know how DL’s new “basic” first class/business class fares will have on their configuration plans ordering the 787-10.

    If DL gets more people to buy up with these new fares, it may enable them to configure the 787-10 with more premium seats and therefore not mitigate capacity concerns compared with the 767.

  8. Vijaya Avatar
    Vijaya

    767 with 2/3/2 seating to 321neo is a huuuuuge downgrade on those transcon flights :(

    1. Common Sense Avatar
      Common Sense

      Agreed. The 767 is my favorite bird. I wish they produced a modern version of it.

  9. ChrisNewYork Avatar
    ChrisNewYork

    I was initially not a fan of the -10 due to the range limits but its economics and premium product potential for DL’s European and LA routes are pretty compelling. It will never fly ATL to Asia but is awesome to GRU or MAD. I am sure DL will equip their models beautifully, would love to see the options exercised and a full fleet of 60 flying about.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      Exactly right. DL doesn’t need it to go to Asia. It needs a workhorse with good economics to replace the aging 767s to Europe

  10. VictorKilo Avatar
    VictorKilo

    It’s only January and half of my 2026 prediction has come true! Just waiting on more A321Neo options to be exercised to make it a reality. Which, if those planes are going to be needed to fly some of the current 763 flying from the west coast to Hawaii and from the east coast to San Juan, is probably going to happen.

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