Feds Announce Massive, Haphazard Cuts in Air Service Starting Tomorrow, and We Should All Be Angry


When it comes to the functioning of the federal government, I expect a certain level of dumbassery. So when even that level gets exceeded, it makes me angry. And today, I’m VERY angry. In fact, I’m so angry that I am bringing out the long-lost and rarely-used fire-red-with-anger Cranky Jackass Award. And since I’m told hanging things upside down is a sign of distress, I’ve added that into the mix as well. Congratulations to the US federal government for earning this very special Cranky Jackass, and please note I award it with extreme prejudice.

We all know that the government has been shut down for over a month. It’s the longest shutdown in the history of the federal government, and at least publicly, there doesn’t seem to be much movement toward resolution. The fight is ostensibly about the looming expiration of tax credits that make our broken health insurance system more affordable for the poorest Americans. This would cost about $24 billion in the next year, rising from there. The Democrats want to extend them while the Republicans say they won’t have this conversation until the government reopens, which means they don’t want to extend them.

The real reason for the fight, however, is that with the Republicans having control of both houses of Congress as well as the presidency, the Democrats have almost no ability to influence anything. And with the Republicans having shown no interest in compromise this year, the Dems seem compelled to hold on to any shred of power they can find. Since the Republicans can’t pass their budget without 60 votes in the Senate, the Democrats see an opportunity to flex their atrophied muscles.

This kind of posturing happens a lot, but what isn’t normal is the lack of substantive negotiations. You can draw your own conclusions about who is at fault — please don’t spam the comments with your opinions on that, because frankly, nobody cares — but the point is that as this fight stretches on, the impact on the country grows. And now it has hit the US airline industry very, very hard.

According to the hastily pushed out press conference by DOT Secretary Sean Duffy and FAA Administrator Bryan Bedford, air traffic controllers are stressed. We didn’t need them to tell us that, of course. Every day at least one area of the ATC system sees delays due to so-called “staffing triggers.” As I started to write this, Newark is facing an average inbound delay of 68 minutes while Phoenix has a shocking 197 minute average inbound delay, both due to staffing shortages.

Of course, we’ve been talking about ATC staffing problems for years, so what does this have to do with the shutdown? Well, Secretary Duffy connected the dots for us in the press conference.

Controllers were last paid a partial paycheck in early October, but their last one was nothing. And there’s another stub coming out this week that will also be nothing. When the government is shut down, they can’t pay their employees, with some exceptions. Don’t worry, Congresspeople undeservingly still get paid, and they’ve found a way to pay the military so far. But air traffic controllers, no. It’s certainly not for lack of creative ideas. For example, Denver International Airport asked the FAA for a waiver yesterday so it could use airport revenues to pay controllers and then get reimbursed when the government is back open. Great idea! The FAA will probably find some reason to say it can’t be done.

So now, Duffy says, some controllers have resorted to second jobs. Others are overworked. And I would assume some are just rightfully not interested in pushing themselves harder than normal when they have no prospect of being paid in the near future. So, things are getting worse.

As Duffy explains it, the “data” is showing stress on the ATC system. Bedford went on…

But as we dig deeper into the data, what we find are issues of fatigue and that our flight controller or flight controllers are experiencing and we see that through voluntary safety disclosure reports coming in from commercial air transport pilots.

So pilots are reporting ATC issues, and the data is concerning enough that the FAA will reduce flying by 10 percent in forty of the biggest markets starting… tomorrow.

The absurdity of this should not be lost on anyone. Airlines first learned about this Wednesday, yesterday, mid-day. It was then publicly announced in the afternoon press conference. But the 40 airports were not released. And to be clear, I’m not just talking about being released to the public. The airlines were also not made aware of the impacted markets until last night, well after the initial briefing. In the press conference it was said that the markets would be released Thursday, but they did start to leak out late last night.

What we see is 33 of the top 40 markets in terms of Nov scheduled seats. The exemptions? Nashville, Austin, Raleigh/Durham, St Louis, Sacramento, New Orleans, and Kansas City. That’s strange since I know Nashville has had staffing triggers lately. Then the last seven consist of one huge general aviation airport – Teterboro outside New York City — and six big cargo airports in Anchorage, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Oakland, and Ontario.

Assuming this list is real, and the airlines are told to move forward, they will have about a day to try and completely rework their operations to cut 10 percent of flights, except now it’s leaking out that they’re going to ramp up to 10 percent, starting at 4 percent for tomorrow. Who knows what it’ll be by the time you read this? While the briefing noted that they will try to spread the pain around equally to the various airlines, I can’t say I know what that really means. I think my favorite quote was when a reporter asked if international flying was impacted.

I have to tell you, we haven’t we haven’t talked through the international component yet.

Later, United confirmed that apparently someone decided to have that conversation, and international flights aren’t impacted. What the heck are we doing here, people? I’m having trouble understanding any of this.

If this is such a clear safety issue being shown in the data, then why are we waiting a day to tell people which 40 airports are on the verge of possibly being unsafe and then ramping up to the full cut anyway? I don’t really even understand singling out airports anyway, especially since these airports that are listed touch more than 92 percent of all scheduled commercial flights. You’d think it would be easier to just blanket all airports. But then again, why are we putting a blanket reduction across any markets when the problems are different in different places… if they exist at all?

If this is an airport issue, as it appears to be, then this blunt instrument wouldn’t seem to be the right way to fix things. Maybe in certain markets that can result in needing one controller instead of two at certain times in certain sectors. Great. But we are talking about 10 percent across forty of the biggest markets. This doesn’t seem like a surgical cut, nor does it seem very well targeted to deal with the issue.

Whether this is a serious — though deeply flawed — effort to preserve safety or just a political move to ratchet up pressure to end the shutdown is unclear to me. But with this cut in place, that would seem to set a two week countdown clock to end the shutdown before the pain gets a lot worse. After all, when we hit the Thanksgiving travel week, you’re going to see increasingly pissed off travelers who just want to go see their families. That is coming very quickly.

President Trump and Congress… do your damn jobs.

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85 responses to “Feds Announce Massive, Haphazard Cuts in Air Service Starting Tomorrow, and We Should All Be Angry”

  1. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    160…

    Thats my bet on the number of comments this article is gonna get today… Will check back in later to see if Im right

    1. Gary Avatar
      Gary

      Was going to ORD from ATL next weekend. My hard cutoff for resolution is this Sunday. No deal, I’m not flying. I’m just one of many who won’t be spending tourist dollars.

      1. Mike Avatar
        Mike

        Alas we dont have tourist dollars to spend. We normally always take a nice trip for our anniversary but between the wife getting doged and my contracts all in jeopardy do to furlough we are just another family feeling the impact of an economy meant for cronies and billionaires

    2. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      I’ll take the over on that.

      Shawn Duffy was also asked “is flying safe” & with a slight condescending tone he responded, “if it wasn’t we would shut it down.” HMMM, a thinly vailed threat I would say as that appears to be the goal.

      As for reopening the government, forget it as this is all part of “Project 2025.”

    3. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      I’ll take the over on that.

      Shawn Duffy was also asked “is flying safe” & with a slight condescending tone he responded, “if it wasn’t we would shut it down.” HMMM, a thinly vailed threat I would say as that appears to be the goal.

      As for reopening the government, forget it as this is all part of “Project 2025.”

    4. Kevin Avatar
      Kevin

      We shoulda done an over/under on how long it would be before some scold chimed in with a pouty post about keeping politics out of it.

    5. John G Avatar
      John G

      I’ll take the over.

  2. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    I might -might- be able to see a reduction by ARTCC (ie 10% for ZAU, 5% for ZAB, etc), making sense as an emergency move, but this is what happens when you have deeply unserious people in charge.

    Man, if only Puck and Rachel had worked out!

  3. Bobber Avatar
    Bobber

    So the message from Kirby says (I think) hub-to-hub flying is also unaffected – but getting to a hub is going to be the fun part. Not sure I want to cycle from DTW to IAH.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Bobber – I think that’s just United’s decision to not impact hub-to-hub and not a government-mandated exclusion. It’s just international which has been carved out, best I can tell.

  4. Brian W Avatar
    Brian W

    Dissapointed @Brett has decided to turn his aviation blog into a political rant with his political bias. He is free to run an op-ed and justify Dems keeping govt shut to preserve their leverage, but a lot of us come to this site to avoid politics. If it was 2021 with Dems in charge of Congress and the Presidency, I dont think Brett would be worrying about preserving minority Republican rights with a shutdown.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      No one take the bait! Remember, people like Brian want you to take the bait!

      1. Dwight Avatar
        Dwight

        Most excellently stated! With planes now falling out of the sky, tough times, eh? (Witness that poor UPS craft in Louisville this week) And the tough get going! They hold a news conference!! WELL I can only say — here’s what I wrote on Robert Reich’s newsletter yesterday, about our admin: I give you my “White Rabbit” theory. Each day, t releases a white rabbit on the White House lawn. The reporters go crazy trying to follow it around (much like they did Sox the Cat some decades ago). Meanwhile, the East Wing or Rose Garden may be laid waste, but the reporters will be interviewing one another on what the bunny ate, or where he shat, or what t posted about the bunny. With Fux news, the reporters will speculate on the bunny’s degree of anti-wokeness. No one really cares if planes are falling from the sky. Hoo-boy, wait until Thanksgiving.

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      True. But in a heavily regulated industry some political discussion is inevitable.

      Brett has always been clear that while there is open discusison in the comments, it is his blog and speaks in his editorial voice. And that sometimes has to include politics.

      1. Sean Avatar
        Sean

        I would argue it is the least regulated it has been in decades – and this admin already said they won’t be moving forward on the rules making the airlines account for problems they cause with cancellations and delays.

        It must REALLY suck to have an industry pawn in charge of DOT and the airlines find out about all of this after a press conference!

    3. abcdefg Avatar
      abcdefg

      FOOH already

    4. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      This article is a political editorial disguised as an aviation editorial. This quote gives it away:

      “The fight is ostensibly about the looming expiration of tax credits that make our broken health insurance system more affordable for the poorest Americans.”

      Cranky never considers the fact that the ACA does absolutely nothing to make health care affordable by increasing the supply of available health care. All the ACA does is put people who can’t afford the present system on the government dole, which restricts health care supply to the middle class and thus has driven up prices to catastrophic levels.

      1. Alan Z Avatar
        Alan Z

        So glad you are an empathetic person.

        1. Bobby Avatar
          Bobby

          You’re correct…I am an incredibly empathetic person.

          It grieves me that people in the middle class without company-provided health insurance can no longer afford health care. It sickens me that millions of people feel the need to rely long-term on health insurance forcibly provided by other people through a redistributionist system instead of something that they can afford and purchase on their own. I’m disappointed that there is no policy focus on making health care more efficient or effective for everyone.

          It warms my heart that you are so astute to see how empathetic I am.

      2. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        No, Brett didn’t consider that – and, as I read it, didn’t intend to. That’s where the word “ostensibly” comes in, “apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually”. He’s not trying to make a case for or against the tax credits, just saying that it’s the Democrats’ stated reason for trying to get changes in the bill.

        You can argue that he’s editorializing with the statement “our broken health insurance system…”, but that’s hardly controversial. I don’t know of anyone on any point in the American political spectrum who would disagree with that statement, unless they’re a major stockholder and/or an executive of a for-profit health insurance company. Everybody from Bernie Sanders to Rand Paul would agree with that, although they sharply disagree on what to do about it.

      3. Brett Avatar

        Bobby – I don’t know why I’m going to bother responding to an unserious troll, but here we are…

        That quote is completely and totally true. Our health insurance system is awful and broken. And the subsidies do make it more affordable for the poorest Americans. Would I like to blow up the entire health insurance system? I sure as hell would. Do I like single payer? I do. But would I also be happier just eliminating the state-based nature of the current private system and having it be run nationally, as President Trump proposed and never pushed ahead in his first term? That would be great. But this isn’t going to happen. Your criticism of the ACA is useless because it’s the system we have. Please stop reading partisan blogs and get serious, because you aren’t helping anything.

        1. Alan Z Avatar
          Alan Z

          Great response, Brett!!!

        2. Bobby Avatar
          Bobby

          Hi Brett – There is a difference between paying for someone else’s health care and making it affordable. Those are two separate concepts.

          If the government needs to tax one group to make health insurance easier for another group to purchase, that is not making health care affordable. That is simply shifting the burden of the expense onto another person (the taxpayer).

          Furthermore, the ACA increased health care demand dramatically without increasing the supply of available health care, and increased health care and health insurance regulation. This in turn increased health insurance and health care prices for those who are not on a health insurance plan subsidized by the ACA.

          You obviously have a hard-left bias, given your unfounded and inaccurate comments about President Trump’s allegiance to Russia (I don’t even like Trump, but I’ll defend him against untrue statements) and given your just-stated view that the government should have total control of health care through a single-payer system. I suggest that you put down the LA Times once in a while and try something like Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, or The Federalist Papers.

          1. O'Hare Is My Second Home Avatar
            O’Hare Is My Second Home

            Remember, folks, be sure to spay or neuter your Republicans.

  5. Brian W Avatar
    Brian W

    Dissapointed @Brett has decided to turn his aviation blog into a political rant with his political bias. He is free to run an op-ed and justify Dems keeping govt shut to preserve their leverage, but a lot of us come to this site to avoid politics. If it was 2021 with Dems in charge of Congress and the Presidency, I dont think Brett would be worrying about preserving minority Republican rights with a shutdown.

    I empathize with Mr. Duffy and ATC managers who have to have to foward predict who will be out and when the shutdown will end with zero room for accidents.

    1. Kevin Avatar
      Kevin

      If the Dems controlled all three branches, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

      1. Bobby Avatar
        Bobby

        Exactly, because the R’s wouldn’t use their 40-some senators to hold the paychecks of the military and other civilians hostage over an unrelated budget provision.

      2. kishoreajoshi Avatar
        kishoreajoshi

        @KevinAlexander Word…

    2. Brett Avatar

      Brian – Like I said, nobody cares about your or anyone else’s opinion about who is at fault. I don’t blame either side directly for the government being shutdown in this post, because either side could end it. If the Republicans wanted to end this right now, they could. They could eliminate the filibuster. If the Dems wanted to just give up and let the budget pass, they could as well. The reality is that the government was constructed to require compromise, and that’s the right way to end it, but that doesn’t seem to be of interest to those in charge or to you. Taking partisan sides doesn’t get the government open again. If you are so partisan and fragile that you have to leave a comment like this to make you feel better, then I feel bad for you.

  6. GP Avatar
    GP

    Dismiss it and trash it all you want but if you’ve got thanksgiving plans, buy your Amtrak ticket now. This hasn’t hit them yet.

    1. Kevin Avatar
      Kevin

      Nothing to be dismissive about! Amtrak…drive (if possible)…have a Plan B… all good things to work on now.

      1. GP Avatar
        GP

        I can already see the press release now: “AMTRAK POSTS HIGHEST THANKSGIVING RIDERSHIP IN HISTORY”

        1. Stormcrash Avatar
          Stormcrash

          America’s getting into training, training the Amtrak way ;)

  7. Johnny Jet Avatar

    Good for you. Tell it like it is. There’s no excuse for Trump or the Republicans — they control all facets of the government. It’s also no coincidence that the last time the government shut down for this long was during Trump’s first term.

    1. stogieguy7 Avatar
      stogieguy7

      You’re right, there’s no excuse. The Republicans really should nuke the filibuster and ram through the conservative budget that is almost 30 years overdue. Screw Schumer and the socialists.

      1. abcdefg Avatar
        abcdefg

        Republicans are equally socialist, just for different and fewer people. Be serious already.

    2. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      So the R’s vote to keep the government open, and the D’s use their 40-some senators to vote to keep the government closed.

      However, when the D’s hold the executive and both sides of Congress, the R’s refrain from using their 40-some senators to hold military and civilian pay hostage for their policy goals.

      How is this the R’s fault again? Oh wait…it’s not.

      1. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        The Democrats have, in the past, negotiated with the Republicans and offered concessions to get legislation passed. The GOP didn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

        The Republicans want the Democrats to just fold and give them what they want. That isn’t how politics work, especially with the Democratic leadership under file for folding so often in the face of Trump’s power-gathering. And the Republicans could just make an exemption to the 60-vote rule anytime they wanted to, but they’re not because they think the American people will blame the Democrats for the shutdown and remember it in the midterms next year. Polls say the GOP is wrong, at least as of now.

        1. Bobby Avatar
          Bobby

          I might agree with your compromise logic is this wasn’t a continuing funding bill, but was instead a bill focused on structural change to the government. There is a time and place to negotiate the large changes (health care subsidies, funding for other bureaucracies) that the D’s are asking for, but that place is not on a bill that effectively keeps the lights on in DC.

          The D’s simply don’t have the votes for what they want, so they are holding hostage a basic funding bill.

  8. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    Both political parties continue to fail the people. But going back to the article, look at what’s at stake:
    1. NextGen Modernization: Congress has been talking about this since 2003. It’s supposed to replace 1950s radar with GPS-based navigation — but because of inconsistent funding, implementation is now years behind schedule. And yet we vote in incompetent people.
    2. Controller Shortages: Training pipelines at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City can’t meet demand. Thousands of veterans are retiring faster than replacements are certified. And yet we vote in incompetent people.
    3. Safety Oversight: Without long-term certainty, the FAA struggles to retain technical experts, manage contractors, and oversee emerging tech like drone traffic systems and urban air mobility. And yet we vote in incompetent people.
    4. Economic Impact: Flight cancellations and delays cost the U.S. economy billions annually — all made worse by Congressional inaction. And yet we vote in incompetent people.

    1. Alex Hill Avatar
      Alex Hill

      Voters and the media blaming both sides is a big part of the problem. One political party — the Republicans — has spent decades villainizing government and doing everything they can to undermine effective government action. The current administration has only accelerated that trend to an extreme. But then voters blame both sides and in fact the Republicans benefit politically by saying government doesn’t work, so you should vote for us, the anti-government party. And in fact they benefit enormously from bothsidesim.

      Are Democrats flawless or faultless? Of course not. But throwing up ones hands and saying both sides are responsible (implying equal responsibility) is lazy, inaccurate, and the biggest underlying cause of the problem.

      1. Phil G Avatar
        Phil G

        Well said, Alex.

      2. Bobby Avatar
        Bobby

        Last time I checked, the D’s are the only senators voting to keep the government closed. All of the R senators are voting to open the government.

        So whose fault is this again?

        1. Alan Z Avatar
          Alan Z

          Donald J. Trump.

          1. Bobby Avatar
            Bobby

            Nope…Chuck Shutdown Schumer

        2. Stormcrash Avatar
          Stormcrash

          The side not trying to screw over poor people obviously

          1. Bobby Avatar
            Bobby

            So then I guess you realize that this is the fault of the D’s.

            The D’s have spent generations screwing over poor people by telling them that they cannot ever possibly make anything of themselves by building their skillset, which would in turn allow them to provide services of value to the economy, which they can then exchange for their sustenance. It’s much better for the D’s to have tens of millions of people reliant on government so that the D’s can get their votes, even though that reliance results in generational poverty, low self-worth, and a long-term reliance on the taxpayer.

            I agree that there is a place for government to help people attain the skills by which they can make the most of themselves, but government welfare has done nothing to break the chain of poverty by simply redistributing money from one group to another.

        3. CraigTPA Avatar
          CraigTPA

          The Republicans in the Senate. They can either negotiate to get the votes they need (under the filibuster) or override the filibuster – that only takes a simple majority. The filibuster is just a political convention – it is NOT a Constitutional requrement, and it has been overridden before.

          The Democrats have a rare opportunity here to exercise power, and they’re taking it. That’s how politics work. The GOP wants Democrats to bend the knee, vote to retain the GOP’s policies, and share ownership of the results. That’s literally a textbook definition of how politics do not work.

          The GOP can either compromise and keep the filibuster, or they can “go nuclear” and force the bill through. The ball is in their court. They own the shutdown.

          1. Bobby Avatar
            Bobby

            I replied to what you said upthread, but I guess you didn’t have a chance to read it.

            I might agree with your compromise logic is this wasn’t a continuing funding bill, but was instead a bill focused on structural change to the government. There is a time and place to negotiate the large changes (health care subsidies, funding for other bureaucracies) that the D’s are asking for, but that place is not on a bill that effectively keeps the lights on in DC.

            The D’s simply don’t have the votes for what they want, so they are holding hostage a basic funding bill.

        4. Alex Hill Avatar
          Alex Hill

          The D’s are the ones not voting for the *Republican plan* to reopen the government on 100% vindictive Republican terms designed with poison pills to prevent Democrats from voting yes, specifically so the Republicans can put forward the talking point that you repeated. Republican leadership won’t allow a Democratic plan to even get a reading in committee, let alone come to the floor for a vote.

  9. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Not sure how anyone can excuse poor administration from a political party who controls all the branches of government. Compromise with the minority party has been an essential part of governing these United States since the beginning. Suddenly in 2025, a party tried a hard line that ignored this tenant and then is surprised when it doesn’t work the way they wanted.

    They’re getting away with foisting consequences on the little guy (the American public at large) right now but history has shown that to be a losing position.

    1. Chuck Avatar
      Chuck

      I agree 100%! But I am also picky about words, lol…it’s tenet, not tenant.

    2. Claire Avatar
      Claire

      The shut down continues because both sides want ‘pork’ slid into the bill.
      It’s all posturing. Who cracks first?

    3. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      Spot on assessment. And public polling supports your statement.

    4. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      The ACA, a generational overhaul of the health care system, passed and was signed into law with 0 R votes in the house and 0 R votes in the Senate. Obama and the D’s participated in *zero* compromise or negotiations with the R’s.

      So, are you willing to say that the Obama administration was a poor excuse for a Presidency since they were absolutely unwilling to compromise with the minority party with such a massive overhaul of a key components of the economy, as opposed to a much more minor continuous budget resolution? That would be intellectually consistent.

      1. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        The Democrats had the votes to pass the ACA without Republican participation, so they did. And the Republicans never had any concrete proposals on alternatives to the ACA – the only things they’ve said about healthcare for as long as I can remember are vague blatherings about “market-based reforms” but never anything concrete. So the Democrats went on without them.

        And since then, when you listen to the GOP talk about health care reform, all you hear is crickets. Quiet crickets, at that. Pretty much mute crickets.

        This specific budget act has drawn Democratic resistance because not getting changes to current law will result in gigantic health insurance premium increases for millions of Americans, coming right on the heels of the recent (and ongoing) issues with inflation. The Democrats are acting in what they see as the interests of key parts of their coalition. That’s very intellectually consistent.

  10. SYVJEFF Avatar
    SYVJEFF

    Guess who just arrived Wednesday/last night in Anchorage for a quick business trip and has planned flights back through SEA and SLC onwards to small home airport on Saturday? I guess I should find a laundromat.

    This is more than affecting cargo or family Thanksgiving plans, it’s stalling motion in this country. This is not acceptable.

    No matter what side of the aisle our current batch of elected leaders sit on, we as constituents should let them know they are terrible operators of what the taxpayers are paying for.

    The air traffic controllers are human beings. They need to be rested, fed, knowledgeable and not distracted to do the multi level chess game we ask them to do 24/7 every day.

    1. Alan Z Avatar
      Alan Z

      That they do. I agree. BUT, all Americans need health care. Not all Americans can afford it. Guess you just forgot that.

    2. Alan Z Avatar
      Alan Z

      That they do. I agree. BUT, all Americans need health care. Not all Americans can afford it. Guess you just forgot that. This is NOT just about aviation.

  11. abcdefg Avatar
    abcdefg

    The short term impacts I think are clear (though of course don’t know how extensive they will be) and appreciate the post.
    I would like to understand the long term impacts here in terms of controller hiring and training. Surely (hopefully?) there were training classes ongoing which presumably stopped. And those trainees are not wedded to the career yet like actual controllers. So now the controller shortage for the future gets even worse.

    Hooray politicians!

    1. Brett Avatar

      abcdefg – Great question. So, training did not shut down immediately as they had emergency funds to keep the training center running. But I believe those funds are going to run out soon, so it will probably be suspended unless they government is reopened. And yeah, I would assume that might cause some trainees to do something else, but I guess I don’t really know.

  12. Daniel Paulling Avatar
    Daniel Paulling

    Which flights are more likely to be affected — something from JFK/LGA to a small airport with service just once a day or something from JFK/LGA to a large airport with plenty of service? I see the logic in cutting either (but, for my sake, hope it’s not JFK/LGA to the small airport).

    1. Brett Avatar

      Daniel Paulling – Several airlines have said that they expect regional flights to take the brunt of this. That doesn’t mean it has to be small cities, but it’s going to be small-er ones, I guess. We will find out soon enough.

      1. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        I think this is at least part of why UA is electing to not cut hub-to-hub, to keep as many reroute options open as possible.

        Depending on how this all goes and how long it lasts, I suspect we’ll see a rise in passengers flying between two smaller cities having to make two connections and some seasonal services being suspended early.

  13. CraigTPA Avatar
    CraigTPA

    Setting aside the “how we got here”, how in the Hell, Norway is this “10% cut…tomorrow” supposed to work? It gives airlines no time to reschedule, no time to move planes/crews around to try to upgauge flights into affected airports to at least keep seats constant and minimize disruption, etc.

    And there’s no clarity around how airlines have to get to the 10%, especially if international flights aren’t affected. Let’s take Newark (actually, let’s burn it to the ground and start again…no, no, no time for that.) Does UA have to cut 10% of their domestic service and that’s it? Or do they have to cut 10% of their total flights but not touch international, so the domestic cuts are greater?

    And what about smaller airlines? There are a couple of airlines that have fewer than 10 domestic flights a day into EWR (Allegiant, Breeze, Sun Country). Are they just flat-out exempt, or do they have to take a one-flight cut anyway?

    So there’s an arbitrary 10% figure with no guidance on how to get to it, no time to plan for it, and that exempts international traffic. Oh, and no plan to cut GA at commercial airports, even though there’s no difference between a CRJ and a Challenger – literally.

    And then there’s freight…are they seriously proposing FedEx and UPS make major cuts right now, with several indicators suggesting that some sectors of the economy are already in recession? Yeah, let’s screw with supply chains some more…

    This is simply insane.

    1. Oliver Avatar
      Oliver

      Agree on all points.

      And what about general aviation? I see Teterboro on the list, but other airports have private jets, too. Do rich people flying into LAS get told they can’t gamble this weekend? And the controllers don’t just control major airports but also the overall airspace filled with all kinds of aircraft (including military/government).

    2. Brett Avatar

      CraigTPA – I’m told that it is 10% of domestic flights. So, I’m sure that’ll bode really well for Newark and JFK in the late afternoon. In other words, if there are 100 daily flights and 10 of them are international, then they need to cut 10% of the remaining 90.

      How they do this, I don’t know. Pretty sure the airlines had their teams up all night last night trying to put together a cancel package that we will see roll out today.

  14. ejwpj Avatar
    ejwpj

    well done Brett!
    I fully support you….
    Thanks for all you do – just don’t stop, or even slow down!

  15. NedsKid Avatar
    NedsKid

    They should have done it like the draft. Have Duffy and Bedford up there (I almost said Biffle, wouldn’t that be an entertaining FAA chief) with a big bingo mixer of small capsules with airlines and numbers…. Round one will be…. American, flight numbers starting with a 2 then a 4….

  16. NedsKid Avatar
    NedsKid

    But let’s be honest… this isn’t any worse than a really crappy weather day in a couple regions at once. The airlines have the benefit here of being able to plan.

    I think international isn’t impacted because of the questionable nature of forcing non-US carriers to comply (and fear of retaliation especially given the Department’s movement lately on slots in Mexico DF – which is probably a preemption to AMS/LIS taking action).

  17. Charles Sayre Avatar
    Charles Sayre

    Finally people in the aviation community are finally trying to get the gov. to do its job.

  18. CraigTPA Avatar
    CraigTPA

    I’m not sure if the exemption for international flights is due to treaty issues or just that there are relatively few cases where a specific airline has ten or more flights a day into a given US airport, and in a lot of cases only has one, so any cut would be disproportionate. And requiring US airlines to make international cuts (as part of their total flight count) when their foreign competitors don’t have to would be fundamentally unfair.

    Eventually we could see exceptions, particularly for Canadian airlines that may have close to or more than 10 flights a day into a given US airport. For example, Porter has ten flights today into EWR – 7 from their den at YTZ, 2 from YOW, 1 from YUL. Asking them to cancel one of the YTZ-EWR flights wouldn’t be an unreasonable burden.

    But for now it’s probably easier to just not include any international flights.

  19. Anthony Avatar
    Anthony

    Per usual, this is going to hurt GOP districts the hardest. Airlines will disproportionately be cutting flights to small, rural airport which may only get 1-2 flights a day since the impact of canceling a 50-seater to Decatur, Augusta or Abilene is much less than cutting mainline service between medium and large markets.

  20. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    I’m convinced that the only thing that will end this shutdown is a tragedy of some sort. Both sides are really dug in.

  21. Daniel Avatar
    Daniel

    Goodbye! Another pundit who can’t keep politics out of the topic that this site is about: AVIATION.

    1. Mike Avatar
      Mike

      It’s literally Brett’s site… the person who gets to decide what this site is about: BRETT. You can leave if you want, but the person who gets to decide what to write about is, uh, the only person writing articles for the site…

      This isn’t the Washington Post or CBS, he is actually allowed to be critical of the Administration…

    2. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      Tell me you don’t understand aviation without saying you don’t understand aviation.

      Aviation, government and politics are intertwined at a very deep level, always have been.

      It’s amusing to see people try to pretend politics can be kept separate. Generally they get touchy when the politics they prefer look bad. Other times they’re much more relaxed about it.

      Right now, politics is hitting aviation hard, but god forbid we should note there are issues.

    3. E175 Respecter Avatar
      E175 Respecter

      This isn’t an airport: no need to announce your departure!

  22. Gary Zink Avatar
    Gary Zink

    Hey, How come nobody thought of this temporary solution?
    Just divert congressional and presidential paychecks to air controllers! Let our government leaders feel the pinch for a while, not air controllers, that’s fair, right.

    Let each walk over to the OMB or whoever pays controllers and hand over bundles of cash and checks, equivalent to their monthly paychecks, for the air controllers. This would serve as a great leadership example for the US public to temporarily help out too.

    But wait — not gonna happen, for it might reveal where their hearts are located. Once said, “where your hearts are, is where your money is”.
    If Congress won’t spend our money, is the public still obligated to pay taxes?
    Gary, Kent WA

    1. Brett Avatar

      Gary – Amen. There are plenty of ways that they could pay controllers if they were truly motivated to do so.

    2. DesertGhost Avatar
      DesertGhost

      On Tuesday night’s Airlines Confidential podcast, it was pointed out that the Aviation Trust fund has more than enough money in it to pay the controllers for a long time.

  23. DesertGhost Avatar
    DesertGhost

    As I see it, politicians on both sides of the aisle tend to be loyal primarily to their parties. Very few of them have an iota of loyalty to the country. That’s the root cause of this whole problem.

    In other words, irresponsible hyper-partisan behavior has led to the total failure of elected officials on all sides to do their jobs.

    It’s past time for all of our elected leaders, regardless of their political persuasions, to stop their irresponsible hyper-partisan behavior and put the best interests of the country first for a change.

    The government plays a major role in aviation. The irresponsible inaction by hyper-partisan elected officials is affecting travel and commerce. Travel and commerce are vital to the economy. That’s why discussing it belongs in an aviation forum.

  24. Darren Sharper Avatar
    Darren Sharper

    I seem to remember when the ACA was pushed through without any compromise from the Democrats, so why is it different this time? Oh wait, its the Republicans. Thats the only difference.

  25. E175 Respecter Avatar
    E175 Respecter

    Not that any part of this scheme screams “thought out” or “well implemented” in any way, but do we think the 10% reduction in domestic flights includes the capacity agreements, or is SkyWest (for example) going to have its *own* 10% reduction metric that it will have to distribute across its network accordingly?

    United is saying that the cuts will come from regional flying first (and I imagine implementation at AS/DL/AA will be similar), I’m just not sure if that means they trim down the lower-seat OO flights first to hit their 10% or or if only the true UA flights count. Thinking of SFO-BOI for example where UA flies four times daily: 2 UA and 2 OO.

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