Frontier Won’t Achieve Its Stated Goal, But What It Really Wants is For Spirit to Die


In a bold pronouncement, Frontier has come out saying that it “commits to being the #1 low fare carrier in the Top 20 U.S. metros.” This is highly unlikely to ever happen, but let’s be honest here. That is not Frontier’s goal. It just wants to kill Spirit — or at least squeeze it enough to force it to merge — and it is adding 20 new routes that sit right on top of the yellow airline. This is the last thing Spirit needs as it continues to circle the drain.

Let’s start with the proclamation that Frontier wants to be the biggest low fare operator in the top 20 metros. This is not something we can really take at face value, because we don’t even really know what this means. So, let’s discuss it.

What Counts as a Low Fare Carrier?

It’s pretty clear that Frontier is excluding the low-fare-in-reputation-only airlines of Southwest and JetBlue. If not, it would be impossible to win in a place like New York or Chicago. Presumably the airline is looking at your traditional ULCCs: Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country, Breeze, and Avelo. This is like being the tallest dwarf. (For the record, it’s Doc.)

Overall, only Spirit has the heft of Frontier, though some of the others can offer true competition for the throne in specific markets. In most markets, Spirit is the only real competition, so this is a thinly-veiled attack.

How is Being #1 Defined?

Are we talking about passengers? Seats? Flights? Number of business model changes? Number of complaints? (If it’s one of the last two, I’m a firm believer that Frontier can make it happen.) It’s not defined, but I’m going to stick with the “seats” metric as the true measurement of who is #1. I have no idea if that’s right, but it’s what I’m going with.

What is a Metro?

Excuse me for a minute while I get really, really geeky.

It’s actually pretty funny that Charlotte is one of the markets Frontier mentioned as being on its target list since Charlotte is not even in the top 20 Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs), better known as metro areas. (It’s number 21.) So let’s assume we’re actually talking about Combined Statistical Areas (CSAs). Those are larger areas that can incorporate multiple MSAs. For example, in the LA area, you combine three MSAs to get the CSA: Los Angeles – Long Beach – Anaheim, Riverside – San Bernardino – Ontario, and Oxnard – Thousand Oaks – Ventura. (For those keeping score at home, this makes two posts this week that have mentioned Oxnard, which is pretty weird.)

But I digress.

What do the Numbers Say?

Let’s look at the Cirium data to see how this plays out. I looked at full year 2025 scheduled seats to measure, and this does not include the airline’s 20 new additions. What did I find? Frontier is currently number one in exactly half of the top 20 CSAs. Spirit is the largest in nine with the last one being run by Sun Country. (I’ll give you three guesses which city that is, and the first two don’t count.) In all of those markets except one, Frontier is in second place. Only in the Boston – Worcester – Providence CSA is Frontier in third, right behind Breeze.

What Would it Take to Be #1?

The obvious question to ask is exactly what would Frontier have to do to become the top low fare carrier in these markets. So, I took a look. I pulled the total departing seats from each of the markets (including secondary airports that fall in the area) and I saw what Frontier has today and what it would need. Take a look:

FY 2025 Frontier Seats for Top 20 CSAs + How to Become #1

Data via Cirium

There are some very clear problem markets here. First and foremost is, of course, South Florida. Frontier has made a variety of moves over time, but it has never made a dent in what Spirit offers. For Frontier to be #1, it needs Spirit to go away. Full stop. And no, the just-announced 3x weekly to Baltimore, Charlotte, Chicago/O’Hare, DFW, and Detroit alongside a 1x weekly to Houston/IAH and 3x weekly Miami to Detroit are not going to close that gap nearly enough.

There is one market with a lower deficit, but it’s going to be the hardest to win. We’re talking about the Twin Cities where Sun Country reigns supreme. Frontier is the largest carrier other than Sun Country, but Sun Country is not going out of business anytime soon.

The other area of note is Boston and surroundings. Frontier needs a lot more capacity to overtake Spirit, but it also has to overtake Breeze which is currently about double Frontier’s size there. That may sound funny since Breeze doesn’t even serve Boston. This is almost entirely about the mighty Providence which is currently Breeze’s fifth largest market.

The reality is that Frontier doesn’t care about all 20, but it’s a better marketing line.

Why Am I Taking This Literally?

Oh I’m not really. It just gave me the idea for a fun dive into the data. Frontier is probably in no way serious about conquering Minneapolis/St Paul. It is just trying to put out a broad strategy message that cloaks the actual plan, which is to knock off Spirit and take its place. This is what happens when airlines look to be on their death bed. The vultures circle. As a friend said to me, “Who will stick in the next knife?”

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36 responses to “Frontier Won’t Achieve Its Stated Goal, But What It Really Wants is For Spirit to Die”

  1. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    “The tallest dwarf”…….Well, I am (usually) grumpy and stand at a respectable 6’2”.

    Love that. Almost spit out a sip of my hot morning beverage (unsweetened green tea) when I read that. So somewhere, I’m just going to have to use that one when I can. My favorite colloquialism like that would be “I’d trust a blood transfusion from Charlie Sheen more than I’d trust ____”.

    Anyway, one possible interpretation you left out: #1 as in lowest fares? That would fit in nicely with the dwarf metaphor. But given how both fluid and arcane fares are, would that even be possible to define beyond single random snapshots?

    So here’s a question for you. If NK decides to pull the plug on itself, how do you think it will go down? Will they do the courtesy of announcing it ahead of time like SkyBus did and almost all retailers do? Or will a new day begin and everyone will learn that the shutdown occurred at 2AM that morning?

    As for Oxnard, that is interesting. I seem to recall somewhere that Oxnard also had the dubious distinction of being the single mother capitol of the state. I bet Fresno or Bakersfield could give them a good run for the money on that one.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Matt D – I really don’t think they would want to be shouting from the rooftops that they have the lowest fares. Investors don’t tend to love that so much. But sure, if they want to win that way, they could make it happen today!

      If Spirit fails, there’s no way to know. It will depend upon what the creditors want to do and if Spirit could somehow line up DIP financing to try for another Chapter 11 instead of a 7.

  2. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    Other potential Frontier ad campaign slogans:

    – It’s not really a low fare if your airline goes bankrupt (again)

    – You’re not Going to have a Concern about Frontier!

    – Frontier – America’s least insolvent ULCC

    – Cool animal pics > Taxis

    – Those greedy bastards should have taken OUR offer!

  3. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    One has to wonder if WN paused its plans to sell 15 NG800 in Q12026. If NK on the Brink they could easily dump those assets back into FLL as a final knife into NK.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      And “As the knife turns,” cue “Twist & shout.”

  4. Brian W Avatar
    Brian W

    I would expect another PE company comes along and buys NK’s debt, takes ownership through another NK bankruptcy (debt for equity swap), and sells off the parts of Spirit (FLL base) that has value. I doubt NK will just collapse at 2am. NK becomes competitive against F9 if it goes through another bk and can shed a lot of its debt and costs. Will ALPA accept give backs in order not to lose all the jobs at the airline?

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      Spirit’s main issue is topline failure, which is reasonably specific to it and Frontier. The revenue model hasn’t worked since Covid.

      Of Spirit’s 2Q $246 million loss, $62 million was interest expense – so debt-equity only addresses part of the problem.

  5. See_Bee Avatar
    See_Bee

    I know Brett is Gen X, but for all my fellow millennials that follow the blog, I know where your heads went reading this post:

    1. Brad Avatar
      Brad

      See_Bee

      I’m a boomer, also known as “old”.

      This was something to see. Really, something.

  6. Paper Boarding Pass Avatar
    Paper Boarding Pass

    As for South Florida, don’t be surprised if B6 is the airline “Who will stick in the next knife.”
    Ms Joanna will do what is necessary to protect her southern flank.
    However, this will require FLL to spread its footprint west to fully leverage this substitute for MIA.
    Right now, the FLL focus is too dependent on a north/south bias.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      Great long term opportunity for B6 if they can strengthen their position at FLL. They’ve dumped a lot of loser routes over the past 6-12 months so they should have planes to deploy down there now.

    2. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      It’s unlikely the B6 commercial team strips to their skivvies, paints themselves blue and chants voodoo rituals while sticking a Spirit plushie with pins. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they do the mental equivalent on a regular basis.

      1. Brad Avatar
        Brad

        Came for the comments on this one and was not disappointed.

  7. Jake Avatar
    Jake

    Brett, just an FWI – Bill Frankie and his son were spotted getting off their corporate jet on Monday with a flight from Scottsdale to FLL. (N770BC) jet is owned by indigo partners, or was previously but they still operate it.

    With everything going down I do believe the two will merge or frontier will sponsors them through a chapter 11 and take the assets it wants.

  8. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    The death spiral continues…

  9. MarylandDavid Avatar
    MarylandDavid

    I’ve never flown Spirit or Frontier – are they comparable in terms of the in flight experience, quality, etc ? In my mind, I rank Frontier higher, if only because their liveries are more interesting ?

    1. Anon Avatar
      Anon

      If you’re curious… maybe best to try them both now while you can :-)

    2. Juan Carlos Avatar
      Juan Carlos

      Spirit and frontier are in the same category.. very similar product in the air… i think Spirit has a much better airport experience lately as they invested in checkin technology… at least in its biggest stations.. Spirit added internet, frontier did not.. frontier is really following a Ryan Air model… Spirit in its identity (monetary) crisis swing out of ULCC a little.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        There is no airline in the US following a Ryanair model or anything close to it.

        1. John Robert Stone Avatar
          John Robert Stone

          One big advantage that Ryanair has over US low cost carriers is the shorter flying distances they have.

        2. Brett Avatar

          JT8D – Allegiant is probably the closest, and it’s not all that far off in idea

    3. Alex H Avatar
      Alex H

      The Frontier liveries are really a holdover from the days before they were a ULCC; they were once a full-service connecting airline with one hub (DEN). Then they purchased the remnants of the old Midwest Express, an MKE-based airline that had all-business class seating and meals served on porcelain into the 2000s. And then they went fully the other direction going ULCC. So the livery doesn’t have much to do with their present service level. (I’ve never flown Spirit and haven’t flown Frontier since they were a completely different airline.)

      1. David Wayne Pearlman Avatar
        David Wayne Pearlman

        You mean Completely Different Animal

  10. Anthony Avatar
    Anthony

    Are those the real CSAs as represented by the census? If so, that’s crazy work. Incorporating all of CT with NY/NJ, Central FL which I assume incorporates Tampa-Orlando. Those are some big liberties.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      Per Wiki… Combined statistical area (CSA) is a United States Office of Management and Budget (OMB) term for a combination of adjacent metropolitan (MSA) and micropolitan statistical areas across the 50 U.S. states and the territory of Puerto Rico that demonstrate economic or social linkage. CSAs were first designated in 2003. OMB defines a CSA by various combinations of adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan areas with economic ties measured by commuting patterns. CSAs retain their own designations as metropolitan or micropolitan statistical areas in their respective larger combined statistical areas.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Anthony – The names aren’t from the census, but the geographies are. I actually even trimmed the NYC one because it included as far down as Trenton, which I decided should be lumped in with Philly instead. Central Florida doesn’t include Tampa. I actually now realize that Tampa isn’t in any CSA, but the MSA alone would bump Portland out of the number 20 spot.

      1. CraigTPA Avatar
        CraigTPA

        I’ve never understood why Tampa doesn’t have a CSA. If it did, Lakeland-Winter Haven would be in it instead of Orlando’s, and a “Tampa Bay” CSA would also likely either include North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, or that CSA would be broken up with Sarasota and Bradenton assigned to “Tampa Bay” and North Port going to Cape Coral – Fort Myers or just not being in a CSA at all. (Since CSAs seem to not break up counties, North Port would probably stay with Sarasota and continue to irrirate the hell out of Sarasota and Bradenton every time some one mentinons the CSA.)

    3. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      There’s a good Wikipedia page that shows you the definitions of the CSAs.

      The Orlando CSA does not include Tampa. Tampa, weirdly, is not in any CSA. Every large city is in an MSA, but not all MSAs are in a CSA. My recollection is there’s another term (or used to be) – Primary Statistical Area, being the largest area (usually a CSA, occasionally an MSA) that a city is located within. Phoenix used to be another MSA not in a CSA.

      As Brett indicates, the definition of CSA is not always perfect. Trenton, NJ is in the NYC CSA, but it is clearly more Philly-centric than NY. Punta Gorda is part of the Sarasota MSA/CSA despite being more centric to SW Florida in my view.

      New Haven, CT was moved, relatively recently, from the NYC CSA to the Hartford CSA, and that’s likely more appropriate. In fact, New Haven being larger than Hartford, that CSA is now named after New Haven.

      The rule is the first city named in a CSA is the largest one. So, the Bay Area CSA is the San Jose CSA, the southwest Florida one is Cape Coral (not Ft Myers), etc.

      1. jd Avatar
        jd

        Funny enough Wiki mentions the Trenton MSA was moved from the Philly CSA to the New York CSA in the 2000 census.

        That part of NJ is a demilitarized zone and could honestly count as part of either area. Trenton itself might be more tied to Philly but the rest of Mercer County (Princeton etc) is primarily NY commuter suburbs. Even the Philly burbs south of Trenton—in both NJ and PA—have quite a few NY commuters.

        This positioning is reflected in Trenton’s major airport options: PHL is physically closer but EWR is easier to get to and has more robust flight offerings. Could go either way.

        1. JT8D Avatar
          JT8D

          The road network is substantially more connected to Philly than New York. This is where the original I-95 was defeated (which was supposed to go towards NYC to the west of the Turnpike), so there’s no freeway from Trenton direct to New York City.

          For decades there was a break in the I-95 designation. That part of I-295 that goes by TTN was originally signposted I-95, which then at a certain point to the north of Trenton just stopped and became I-295.

          In the last decade or so they put I-95 on the Jersey Turnpike and finally re-signed the TTN part of I-95 to be I-295.

          If you look at the freeway network, there’s still nothing direct from Trenton to New York. You have to take I-195 off to the east to get onto the Turnpike. Whereas Trenton is well connected towards Philly/the south. You’ve got the two arms of I-295 and you have US-1.

        2. Kitsune4px Avatar
          Kitsune4px

          The problem is likely that CSA/MSA end up doing double duty. They are also often the basis for Federal Pay Locality Areas: https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/2024/locality-pay-area-definitions/

          The locality pay adjustment of NYC area is about 10% higher than Philly, so there is a built-in reason for some folks in Trenton to lobby their congress person to have Trenton classified in the NY CSA. Indeed Trenton is in the NYC pay area.

          An aside, but this is also likely some of the reason that moving EWR approach control sectors from N90 TRACON to Philly pencils out as a “good idea”, controllers get 10% cheaper from an accounting perspective. It also means that legacy folks qualified on the sectors at N90 are additionally dis-incentivized to make the facility move from N90 to Philly, because unless there is some sort of incentive payment they will take a pay cut when moving. (And in the case of the most senior employees that are likely already maxed out on the government pay-scale so almost 100% guarantee a move means a pay cut)

    4. jd Avatar
      jd

      If anything the MSA level is too restrictive.

      Yes the census bureau knows more than I do about the commuting patterns that delineate MSAs. In the 21st century though there’s no meaningful separation between LA and the Inland Empire, or between DC and Baltimore, or between San Francisco and San Jose, or between Boston and Providence. CSA measurements even out the field with other cities that have all of their populations lumped into one MSA.

      Fairfield County CT has nearly a million people and several prominent New York suburbs. The fact that it’s *separate* from the NY MSA is crazy work.

  11. Juan Carlos Avatar
    Juan Carlos

    I really hope frontier takes over Spirit operation instead of the back of the big 4… for the sake of the pockets of Latin-American people getting the best fare on Spirit to any city south of the Rio Grande. in Colombia we suffer a big blow when the ULCC VIVA went bankrupt, Spirit would do the same.. they flight to 7 different destistinations and carry many Colombians… VFF market in Spirit is huge.. can you get that from Cirium?. If United takes over FLL (as one podcaster friend of an old Spirit CEO guessed) that market will be hit hard… I will be hit hard flying to Colombia a family of 4 for xmas time) Avianca would not do that… the hub connecting north of FLL is key… JET blue tried at on point to compete with Spirit to the south, but they stuck with PR, and now pay attention to the north-north where Euros are worth more than Pesos.
    Any takes on that portion of FLL hub is Spirit goes belly up?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Juan Carlos – If Spirit fails, I think it goes back to the county to reallocate those gates. I have yet to find out exactly how that would happen, but I have no doubt that JetBlue, Allegiant, United, and Frontier would all be interested.

  12. VictorKilo Avatar
    VictorKilo

    If I had a nickel for every time CrankyFlier mentioned Oxnard this week I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice.

  13. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    Is there any chance that both Spirit and Frontier fail?

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