Alaska’s New Paint Job, London Service Point Toward Premium


Alaska continues its metamorphosis into a premium global carrier today by announcing a couple of new routes as well as a new livery that will apply only to the B787 fleet. The airline is really trying to walk a fine line here between brand consistency and brand confusion. and it remains to be seen if it can pull that off. But hey, in the meantime, we get another pretty airplane to look at.

What we learned today is that all of the B787-9s will be moved from Honolulu to a new Seattle crew base and will fly in this livery:

Yes, it’s still Alaska. But good ole’ Chester is gone from the tail. In his place is a stylized version of the Northern Lights that comes to a point with a sort of half cheatline carrying to just ahead of the wing. Alaska does have to repaint the four airplanes it has in Hawaiian’s livery today, so a change doesn’t bother me in general. If these airplanes won’t fly in the islands — and they shouldn’t since the islands don’t need those long legs — then they should be Alaska-branded. But why alter the livery away from the standard Alaska look? I spoke to Eric Edge, Vice President of Brand & Marketing for Alaska, to get a better sense of what the airline is trying to achieve here.

Eric likened this to what Starbucks does with Starbucks Reserve, a “brand expression” that’s more premium. Alaska will continue to have its core product with no change in livery on the existing fleet. This will just be for the B787-9s flying long-haul operations from Seattle. It’s meant to show that the product is going to be more premium, though I will note that Starbucks calls its premium experience Reserve while Alaska is not differentiating what it calls this product.

In that sense, I suppose it’s very similar to Alaska’s regional strategy. Other airlines may have American Eagle, Delta Connection, and United Express, but Alaska is still just marketed as Alaska. Yes, it discloses who operates the flight, but you know what I mean here. It doesn’t have that overarching regional brand. Everything is Alaska on the surface, even though the onboard experience may be different. Unfortunately, Alaska is not ready to talk about its plans inside the tube just yet.

So, we get a new livery. I still don’t know why they had to get rid of Chester. If they wanted a more premium, international feel, then this would have been a good option.

What’s more international than Chester and Pualani dancing the salsa?! Ok, ok… not a fan? What about this one? It screams premium to me, as it should to any air travel connoisseur.

Come on, you can’t tell me that an upside-down tulip doesn’t look like a stylized A. It’s not like anybody is using this anyway…. No? Ok, fine, too soon, I guess.

While I do think the new livery looks nice, and I like the tie-in with the Northern Lights, I still struggle with this whole brand idea. This is a complex livery that’s going to add cost and time to the process of painting. On a small fleet like this, I don’t care that much, but it still makes me wonder why it’s worth bothering. I suppose the idea is that the differentiation — and more complexity — makes it seem more premium. And it’s going to need to get people to think of Alaska as more premium as the airline prepares to do battle across the Atlantic next summer.

It has already found competition from Delta which added Rome flights soon after Alaska announced it would do that. But now, the airline will begin daily service from Seattle to London/Heathrow next summer. As a reminder, British Airways flies 10x weekly in winter and double daily in summer. Delta/Virgin Atlantic do 11x weekly in winter but also double daily in summer. There is no shortage of competition.

How did it get slots at Heathrow, and presumably ones at desirable times? That’s a near-impossible task. The answer is not clear, and Alaska wouldn’t tell me. But I will point to this very interesting blurb in the release:

Alaska’s expansion into the London market, facilitated by strengthened collaborations with American Airlines and British Airways, presents significant opportunities. These alliances are expected to deepen over time, offering even greater value and connectivity to consumers.

Ok, so it clearly seems to have gotten slots from one of them, which would make a great deal of sense. I am particularly curious how these alliances will deepen, however. This is the kind of teaser that drives me mad, because they won’t say anything more. All I could get out of the airline is that it hopes to put flights on sale this fall.

London is not only A premium market, but it is THE premium market. And Alaska is going up against some very steep competition on that route. The good news is that with BA and American as partners, it has more leverage than it otherwise might. Those in the frequent fliers programs of all three airlines shouldn’t hesitate to fly the other airlines. It may not be a perfect substitution, but the barrier is far less than going to an unrelated airline.

To round out the press release, Alaska will start flying during summer from Seattle to Keflavik in Iceland. This is on a 737-8 MAX and that makes it a no-brainer to try, but it’s not exactly key to the overall message that Alaska is delivering. That message is “we are going to be a premium global carrier, and we need you all to know it.”

Of course, the paint on the outside of the airplane doesn’t tell us much about what’s on the inside. That’s the announcement that will matter much more… whenever it happens. For now, everyone just get excited for the pretty plane to make its debut early next year.

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95 responses to “Alaska’s New Paint Job, London Service Point Toward Premium”

  1. Mr. Peanut Avatar
    Mr. Peanut

    Mehhhh I always thought Chester was too cartoonish.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      Glad I’m not the only one! Kudos, I was afraid to say it, haha!

    2. Nicolas N Avatar
      Nicolas N

      Maybe on the old while livery he looked cartoonish, but I think Chester strikes the right balance between uniqueness and taste with the new livery. Stylized northern lights are not a good enough replacement, imo.

  2. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    In 1997, British Airways started its “World Tails” episode. Widely mocked…. but BA decided to put what is now the current livery (Chatham Dockyard if you want the name) on Concorde – and no other planes – essentially to market it as premium. Still called British Airways… but different tail livery. Yes, I know a B787 isn’t quite the same as the rocket, but it’s stil likely Alaska’s top-end aircraft. Of course, British Airways eventually ditched the World Tails designs… and the Chatham Dockyard livery then became their brand image. I would not be at all surprised if Alaska in a few years time decide that maybe after 50 years, Chester the Eskimo might be retired or de-emphasised a little – aurora borealis is a pretty good marketing image for something in the Arctic.

    As an aside… if Alaska wants to signal it’s a premium carrier, then is the word premium starting to be overused ? I doubt any of American, Delta or United would want to admit to positioning themselves as “the airline for schmucks and slobs”, yet when flying from Chicago to Dallas, there’s probably an awful lot of schmucks and slobs (even if they don’t want to admit it) sitting in coach.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      “I doubt any of American, Delta or United would want to admit to positioning themselves as “the airline for schmucks and slobs”, yet when flying from Chicago to Dallas, there’s probably an awful lot of schmucks and slobs (even if they don’t want to admit it) sitting in coach.”

      Well… it’s those schmucks & slobs who in the end keep the airlines alive. For everyone else, they have private jets if they aren’t flying commercial.

    2. jd Avatar
      jd

      Most everyone is aware that “premium” is an overused buzzword (reaching far beyond the airline industry). But businesses and customers both consciously participate in the kayfabe because it makes them feel important (myself included as a slob and a schmuck)

      The effect of the word “premium” will wear off, and whenever that happens marketers will use a different buzzword instead.

      I agree with you. Alaska is using this platform to soft launch a new brand image. The writing’s on the wall for Chester.

  3. Arcanum Avatar
    Arcanum

    That livery is stunning. I hope they eventually extend it to the rest of the fleet.

    1. MNG Avatar
      MNG

      I agree with you.

    2. Ben in Idaho Avatar
      Ben in Idaho

      Hopefully they do for Chester what the original Republic did for Herman when they switched liveries. Give him a spot by the door for those who care to remember.

      1. Mr. Peanut Avatar
        Mr. Peanut

        No Ben. It’s time to put Chester out to pasture or bury him.

  4. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    I have yet to see an airline’s marketing department leave things alone and not mess branding up. You would think that they would learn from others.

    1. Sammy Avatar
      Sammy

      My personal experience is its usually some outsourced design/ad firm hired by a SVP – and then cause no design firm will ever say “eh, your brand is great – why change it?”, it starts the whole process of rebranding/augmenting the current brand prematurely to the dismay of most of the actual Brand/Product folks at the Airline who have a tough enough time working with the current brand. While I dont mind this sub-brand, its seems odd for Alaska who is obsessed with a single branding in the past. Now if they could spend some of this energy on fixing their consumer website….

    2. tb Avatar
      tb

      Could not agree more Bob. Oh to be a fly on that wall…

      “Hey guys, lets refresh our livery and brand for our new global era!

      OK, what’s the one thing instantly recognizable about our brand today? Something that gets everybody talking??

      Oh, gotta be Chester on the tail! Just screams ‘Alaska’.

      Chester?? I thought that was Bob Marley?

      NOOO it’s Chester the Eskimo!?!?

      BRAND TEAM: OK, first item, the Eskimo has gotta go…”

      And for our next trick, why don’t we just rename the thing “Seattle Global” or some such nonsense.

    3. PF Avatar
      PF

      Gordon Bethune’s marketing team did an incredible job with Continental, taking the airline “From Worst to First”.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        That’s bass ackwards.

        They fixed the airline. That wasn’t marketing, it was operational (and quite a bit was financial – they needed to find the dollars to renovate the existing fleet and then buy a new one). Once they were running a decent airline, marketing had something to market.

        Absent a product worth a damn, there’s nothing to market.

        1. Matt D Avatar
          Matt D

          I think you’re missing the point that PF was trying to make.

          At the start of the 1990’s, Continental was an absolute mess, teetering on the brink of liquidation itself. The airline was still plagued with all kinds of problems from the Lorenzo years. And part of that was a product image as well as a fleet that was an utter mishmash of color schemes from the then current one to all kinds of hybrids and half jobs from Frontier, New York Air, and PEOPLExpress. A photographers dream, but a marketing nightmare.

          And one of the very first things Bethune did was unveil a unified image intended to shed that branding luggage and create an all new identity. And two key elements of that were a look that bore no resemblance to any of the predecessors and to repaint the entire fleet as quickly as possible.

          And that was done in only about four years. Not bad considering how many planes there were.

          Yes, the blue/gold/grey probably lived on for a lot longer than maybe it should have. But at the time, it was very upscale, professional, and clean. And it worked.

          I think *THAT* was what he was getting at.

    4. Cotuit Kettleer Avatar
      Cotuit Kettleer

      All of the branding pieces are temporary. In three years they buy Jet Blue and the whole fleet takes that name.

  5. AlanZ Avatar
    AlanZ

    Brett,

    I understand the analogy with Charbucks; but sincerely hope they don’t put that crap on the plane.

  6. MARK Avatar
    MARK

    I am torn. I really like the new livery, the Aurora Borealis tie-in is easy to see, and I’ve always loved their color palette. But…doing away with Chester? Sacrilege!!! I agree with the poster above at least somewhat…airlines are masters at not only making things complicated which could be simple but also at screwing up their branding. The other poster above about BA’s World Tails really hit it, what a disaster that was. I’m really up in the air over this one. I only hope this isn’t a prelude to trashing Chester entirely! And they’d better leave Pualani alone!!!!!!!!!!

  7. W Scott Moyer Avatar
    W Scott Moyer

    While they are at it, change the name of the airline –it’s sounds too regional now that they are going international. Same with Southwest.

  8. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    If I had to critique anything, it’s that it looks like a hybrid (remember those? Haven’t seen one since forever, but those of us old enough to remember…) of two separate airlines. That all new striping and tail colors while keeping the exact same typeface, size, and placement of the existing logo.

    Just to me, looks oddly mismatched. Reminds me of the “DeltaFlot” colors from around 2000. It wasn’t necessarily a bad design. It just looked like two separate ones cobbled together.

    I get the same impression and vibe here.

    And will the 787’s under either brand come to LAX? I think the HA ones sometimes make an appearance, but off the top of my head as I write this, I don’t recall for certain.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Matt D – The 787s will be focused on Seattle only. At least, that’s the plan for now.

  9. Eric Avatar
    Eric

    The challenge of managing a brand inexorably tied to a geographical region. One of the reasons why Crankies alma mater America West stuck with a damaged name like US Airways in their merger. Or how strange it was years ago to consider Southwest to get to PVD or GEG.

    I’m afraid Chester may fade away depending on how these long haul expiramemts play out. Hopefully they will at least keep him as a sticker by the 1L door.

  10. Pilotaaron1 Avatar
    Pilotaaron1

    Honestly, even though I liked Chester, this is a better livery redesign than most of the others. I still hate United’s lazy livery and AA’s I’m not a fan of. Even DL’s latest one had to grow on me for a bit. I think the last one I actually liked from the start was the final US Airways one where they added some America West flair to it, oh and the final TWA one. That one was sharp and professional.

    1. Seanny Avatar
      Seanny

      I didn’t really think about how Chester was gone until this article pointed it out, so I think there is something dynamic about the design that works. But as Cranky also pointed out, the real tell is what is in the inside.

    2. Yosef Avatar
      Yosef

      Agree on almost everything you said. Most of USA airlines’ liveries really suck, the beautiful exceptions are Alaskan and Hawaiian, also quite good, imo, JetBlue, but most of the American ones can’t compete with the looks of, say, KLM, Lufthansa (especially the previous livery), the old British airways, the new Korean, Asiana, the old ANA, JAL, saudia, el Al, even Iraqi is nicer than say American Airlines, etc.

  11. Bad Bob Avatar
    Bad Bob

    I have already heard this livery called “Tube of Toothpaste” livery. I personally like it.

    1. sammy Avatar
      sammy

      Alaska-Fresh

  12. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    That livery is SHARP! The polar opposite of American’s ridiculous, amateurish effort.

    1. Seanny Avatar
      Seanny

      I like the American tail, I think where they messed up with was the logo and word mark

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        The entirety of the AmericAAn’t livery looks like it was done with Microsoft paint circa 1994

    2. Bad Bob Avatar
      Bad Bob

      The AA tail looks like it was drawn by a 3 year old with crayons. Awful

    3. Ken Avatar
  13. Wany Avatar
    Wany

    Grump me would paint Virgin America on the 787s to insert dominance against Virgin Atlantic on the SEA-LHR route. If I am paying 8 million per year for the word Virgin, I might as well use it.

    1. Tim Dunn Avatar
      Tim Dunn

      interesting idea but it raises the question of whether AS is allowed to fly international air travel in a Virgin logo aircraft or was their license just for the domestic US market.

      It can’t be lost that AS had no interest in the global market at the time of the Virgin America acquisition and now faces potentially even more brand confusion which is only mildly alleviated by this redesign. How are Europeans and Asians supposed to connect to a brand that says Alaska operated by a Seattle based company on flights to Seattle? Flights to central America were nearly 100% N. Americans and from the western US but AS has to appeal to a global population with a name that still sounds very regional.

      1. Aliqiout Avatar
        Aliqiout

        Alaska isn’t going to be selling tickets to walk in customers at city ticket offices like it’s the 1960’s. Very, very few people care about where an airline is based (unless it’s a country like Indonesia with a questionable safety record).

        The name Alaska has strong positive connotations across the world and is a good brand name for any international product, and is just as good or better than any other airline name people aren’t familiar with.

        1. Tim Dunn Avatar
          Tim Dunn

          Alaska indeed has a good positive reputation around the world but you haven’t answered the question as to what Alaska has to do with a flight from Seoul to Columbus, OH on an airline called Alaska with a connection in Seattle. and the Alaska name is displayed even on internet sites so CTOs have nothing to do with it.

          Just tell me what global airlines – which is AS says it wants to be – have a name that is derived from a single state or region of a country – and not an abbreviation of it.

          lots of people were looking for AS to resolve its brand issues but it is hard to see the value in the Alaska brand when they choose to use the Hawaiian brand for part of their services and Alaska for other parts.

          Besides Virgin, one of the best former brands that reflects what AS+HA are is Western Airlines but I guess DL has held onto the brand rights for Western

          1. Bad Bob Avatar
            Bad Bob

            We are avgeeks here. Realistically when people book on Expedia they don’t know nor do they care what airline takes them to the destination. They shop by fare. That is the bulk of the coach seats. The top tier already know who they are going to book. I am in the middle. I fly frequently but not enough for status. I avoid AA at all costs. UA and WN are not too bad. I tried DL a few times but it seems every time I have a huge delay.

          2. JT8D Avatar
            JT8D

            Well, there’s an airline near and dear to your heart. Delta. Derived from the Mississippi Delta. That is undeniably a single region of a country.

            I get it, to most people, Delta no longer has that connotation.

            But you asked the question of what global airline has a name derived from a single state or region of a country and Delta is the most obvious answer to that.

            1. Tim Dunn Avatar
              Tim Dunn

              JT
              first, a delta is A geographic feature but it is not limited to any specific part of any country or world; there are multiple river deltas in the world.

              second, delta is also a letter of the Greek alphabet and it is fairly well used. Whether the intention of DL’s founder to add a stylized Greek delta came because they wanted to distance themselves from the Mississippi River delta or not, Delta has incorporated some version of the Greek letter in its branding for most of its life. And there are other airlines that have had and still include the the name Delta but, so far as I know, none use a stylized Greek letter in their branding.

              third, while name airlines have some form of the country in their name, there are also a number that have a compass direction – such as China Southern etc. The compass works the same in all parts of the world so even a name like Southwest is less globally limiting than a specific geographic location.

              and fourth, Alaska as a state does have a positive global reputation but it is not the primary focus of where AS flies and it also is not their home or where their longhaul international flights will operate to/from. Yes, companies can use a positive aspect of their brand for far more than the brand conveys but it is also possible that a brand outgrows its name. Many very successful companies have rebranded which was an opportunity that Alaska had.
              If the Alaska brand is so powerful, then it defies explanation why AS is choosing to keep the Hawaiian brand and then start flights that operate(d) from cities such as ICN to HNL and point the plane to SEA and call the flight an AS flight.
              Ultimately this rebranding is about eliminating one part of their Alaska heritage (whether this is just one step or ultimately will spread to their whole fleet) while adding and magnifying another part of Alaska – but for now creating a piecemeal brand appearance.

              and finally, while no one likes someone that says the negative, AS’ whole branding strategy feels very much the byproduct of its lack of strategic foresight to recognize that longhaul international service might be part of its future. Covid came and they realized that longhaul international service was what is allowing the big 3 to perform better as a group than other US airlines. They acquired HA to get the assets to become an international airline but still have a bifurcated brand strategy with two brands, both of which have region or state of a country implications, something I still say I don’t see any other global airline doing – but again, I am more than ready to have someone provide an example.

            2. Aliqiout Avatar
              Aliqiout

              Tim, your argument is strangely hollow. You know full well that Delta isn’t named after the geographic term. It is named after a region that isn’t even geographically a delta. Everything else that you said about Delta is completely irrelevant. What does the logo looming like the Greek letter have to do with anything?

              Your argument about the HA brand is silly too. The obvious nlamswer is because HA is such a strong brand too.

              I too question the two brand strategy, but that is a completely different issue.

            3. Tim Dunn Avatar
              Tim Dunn

              Aliqiout,
              Because you choose to ignore the stylized Greek letter as the most prominent feature of Delta’s branding doesn’t mean that is not the most recognizable – for good reason that Delta captured.

              and saying that Delta really wasn’t founded in the true Mississippi delta adds to the point that they aren’t even associated w/ the geographic region of that name.

              Feel free to ask 1000 Delta customers not on this or other aviation sites were Delta Air Lines was founded and I doubt very seriously that more than a small percent would say Louisiana with the vast majority saying it is Atlanta, which has been Delta’s home for all but about 20 years of its existence.

              Yes, brands can overcome what they previously meant but Delta, unlike Alaska and Hawaiian, have global meanings.
              and, yes Hawaiian had strong brand value which is why it makes it strange for AS to change the name of the carrier operating a flight from ICN or NRT just because of the destination.

              and we do agree that the two brand strategy IS part of the issue – and one which Alaska Airlines apparently is not addressing. the other part is whether a third brand that is global and not specific to a US state would have been a better solution. AS clearly doesn’t believe that – but they also walked away from the Virgin name even though Virgin IS a global brand that is used on multiple continents.

            4. JT8D Avatar
              JT8D

              Tim – redefine things all you want, the fact remains “Delta” was originally named after the Mississippi Delta, and no amount of wriggling on your part will change that. That is just a fact. That few remember it, or associate it any longer with the Mississippi Delta, doesn’t change that undeniable derivation. You were the one who set the criteria, Delta fit it to a T. Or possibly a D.

              You’d look far less ridiculous if you just, with good grace, acknowledged the irony and moved on. You’re not the first to be hoist on his own petard, nor will you be the last.

              “Delta” might be better than “Alaska” for global marketing purposes, but Alaska isn’t terrible and it’s very unlikely to be the difference between success and failure.

            5. Tim Dunn Avatar
              Tim Dunn

              Alaska is – and so far as we know – the name of a US state and has no other meanings.

              Delta is and always will be a letter in the Greek alphabet.

              Delta is a noun with multiple meanings and that was true the day that Delta Air Lines was founded.

          3. David M Avatar

            Alaska wants to keep the Hawaiian brand because–according to their public statements–the Hawaiian brand derives a revenue premium. The intention as previously stated by the CEO in an interview with Cranky, is to have all flights that touch Hawaii using the Hawaiian brand. They think they can literally charge more for a ticket to Hawaii if it’s sold as Hawaiian instead of Alaska. As long as they can keep it such that the cost of maintaining the separate brand is less than the premium they get by maintaining it, they’ll keep it around.

  14. Rachel Avatar
    Rachel

    The name says Alaska but the dark blue and shade of green screams Seattle: As in Seattle pro sports teams.

  15. Emil Avatar
    Emil

    Who designed this new logo? The cast-off marketing geniuses from Northern Pacific Airlines? Why mess up a known logo?

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      I will miss Chester, but I like it.

    2. Seanny Avatar
      Seanny

      The “Alaska” word mark is exactly the same. Unless you mean Chester, which they don’t really use as their primary logo (he is on the credit card though, which used to be the northern lights!)

  16. Czbb Avatar
    Czbb

    SEA-KEF is already 3x daily on FI, presumably they’re taking one of those over … I can’t imagine there’s enough demand for a fourth

    1. Anon Avatar
      Anon

      You may well be right – the market will assert itself soon enough. See the hubris a few years ago engaged in by US airlines when they launched flights from every rural airfield in the USA to every rural airfield in Cuba… and then realised that the average American farmer isn’t actually that desperate to visit a Cuban farmer every weekend

    2. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      I’m stunned that there are 3 daily flights from SEA-KEF. That can’t be year round, can it? Are Alaska and Icelandair buddied up enough for the latter to pull one of those back once the former starts their service?

      1. Brett Avatar

        Bill – No, it’s 3x daily in summer (this year all A321LRs) and in winter it’s down to 1x daily. Frequencies ramp up and down during the shoulder seasons.

        But Alaska and Icelandair do not have antitrust immunity so they can’t coordinate and have Icelandair cut when Alaska adds.

        1. Bill from DC Avatar
          Bill from DC

          Of course they can’t, wink wink! ?

  17. Ed H Avatar
    Ed H

    This is going to give Ed ideas at Delta. Change the wedge to something else, increase fares and MQD requirements even more.

  18. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    CF, Why did America West change the name of the combined company to US Airways when that brand had a horrible reputation? That’s like Ferrari changing their name to Edsel.

    1. Anon Avatar
      Anon

      Because having a name of “Arizona and Nevada Airlines” doesn’t work very well when you have hubs in Pennyslvania and North Carolina. The company name is sometimes not just a collection of random words – sometimes (despite the over-the-top silliness that brand agencies sometimes engage in) the company name really does communicate something important to customers, suppliers, employees and investors.

    2. Nick Bax Avatar

      Also it allowed a slower rebranding. The original and final US Airways livery existed alongside each other pretty easily. That and more planes were already in the US branding, so the repainting schedule could be slower.

    3. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      I mean, pre-America West wasn’t that much better as a brand. It was a more successful financially – but that just meant that pre-merger America West was going out of business more slowly. In no way was “America West” equivalent to Ferrari in terms of brand.

      And to be fair, that management team took some terrible scraps of airlines and knitted together something that was a lot better than anyone expected it would be. Had Doug Parker retired shortly after he achieved the US Airways-American Airlines merger he’d likely be remembered as one of the best airline CEOs of all time. “Worst horse, best jockey” was a pretty fair summary of, say, 2010 era US Airways. It wasn’t a great airline, but it was a lot better than anyone thought it could be. It punched way above its weight, including breaking the back of operational problems at Philadelphia that had plagued the old Allegheny/US Air/US Airways system for decades.

    4. Brett Avatar

      Angry Bob – That was after my time when that decision was made, but I think it was probably more about math than anything. Who had a lot more airplanes and lot more airports? US Airways. So keeping that name was cheaper than the other way around. And you know, it worked out just fine. The key was getting the headquarters out of DC and into Phoenix. The name didn’t matter all that much in the end.

    5. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      Tim,

      I am not ignoring DL’s play on the Greek letter, I am just struggling to find the relevance. Are you trying to.rewrite history and claim that DL wasn’t named after the Mississippi Delta Region?

      I also find it very ironic that you are making this argument about AS, an airline named after the state that they were founded in that moved to a different state. I am sure there were some jokes made when they first started flying routes that didn’t touch AK, but I really can’t follow why selling a ticket from JFK to PVR isn’t a problem but LHR-SEA is, or why a LHR-BOI ticket with an AS segment sold by BA isn’t a problem, but it suddenly becomes a problem without a BA segment.

  19. JAXBA Avatar
    JAXBA

    I can easily imagine there may be a pink/purple version of this for Hawaiian aircraft in the future, if they do continue both brands, so that the liveries are more homogenous? Think Cathay Pacific/Cathay Dragon in green/red, or British Airways/Deutsche BA Landor liveries, as a couple of examples.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      That actually sounds like a great idea!

  20. Rohan Anand Avatar

    I think the LHR aspect this points to AS joining in the transatlantic JV agreement with AA/IAG/Finnair, which would be massive for OneWorld. I also believe that down the line, particularly with the West Coast presence + Hawaii, the possibility for AS-HA to join the AA+QF JV to the South Pacific and AA+JAL to East Asia.

    This might run into tons of regulatory hurdles, that is, depending on the continuation/discontinuation of whichever political party holds power in the US at the time.

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      It does point to JV, but I don’t quite get why AA would be in favor of that. Fine if AS sticks with PNW routes, but wouldn’t they be worried about an expansion into CA, and dilution.of their share of the JV?

      1. Nick Bax Avatar

        I think AA would be happy to have them join the JV because AA is short on widebodies after retiring a bunch at the beginning of the pandemic.

        The best thing is flying it themselves. The next best thing is their JV partner flying it.

        1. Tim Dunn Avatar
          Tim Dunn

          It is doubtful that AA and AS will be permitted to be in the same JV on the same route; i.e. if AS is added to the AA/BA JV via SEA-LHR, there is a high likelihood that AA will be removed from the JV for that route.

          A joint venture involves joint capacity planning, pricing and revenue management which the US does not allow two US airlines to do; doing so would require the exchange of information that the DOJ is not likely to allow 2 US airlines to exchange.

          And given that AA and AS both operate O&D revenue management systems, it is possible that the DOJ might exclude certain O&Ds where the combination of AA and AS alongside BA would be too high.
          We have never seen two US airlines in the same JV on the same lane (route) but there are inherently anticompetitive aspects to it.

          1. CraigTPA Avatar
            CraigTPA

            Tough to say in the case of SEA-LHR, since AA doesn’t operate its own metal on the route while over on the other side of the airport both DL and VS do. From that perspective, there’s no actual US airline from the AA/BA JV, so allowing AS to participate in their place leads to parity and improves competition.

            Can it be done with information exchange that doesn’t affect their being competitors elsewhere? That’s the question they’d have to answer.

  21. JT8D Avatar
    JT8D

    I saw Alaska recently say that it is the only west-coast based “global carrier”. So global carrier is what Alaska is these days.

    What that means for the Boise to Seattle passenger is unclear but that route doesn’t seem very global, so one wonders.

    There’s a serious point here. Alaska’s prospects depend, as they always have, a whole lot on the loyalty of its PNW (and other dominated markets, like Hawaii) customers – most of which are very much Not Global. The Maui to Oahu commuter – not global.

    We’ve seen this movie before in various versions over the years. Not all ended well – Allegheny became US Air, for instance.

    I actually think Alaska *should* be trying to leverage its traditional loyalties to take passengers offshore – why not? They’re the dominant Seattle carrier, it makes sense to try to fly people to Tokyo and London.

    I just think that trying to rebrand the carrier as “global” is maybe a tad premature and does risk taking its eye off the balls that got it to this point.

    It also paints a target squarely on its back. United, Delta, even American – none of these want/need another global competitor. Telegraphing its global ambitions just increases the amount of time that planners at these airlines will spend thinking about how to clip Alaska’s wings.

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      They telegraphed their global ambitions by buying HA. There is no sneaking around once they got their hands on widebodies.

      I am not sure what your concern is here. Is it just the fast growth of SEA long haul? I don’t think they have a choice. A slow incremental build up will just give DL more time to smother it.

      AA seems supportive of the AS expansion so far.

      DL has been branding themselves SEA’s global airline for years and still hauls people from MOB to ATL and BOI to SEA without any problems. Why will Alaska have problems?

  22. DL Avatar
    DL

    Reminds me of Kuwait Airways!

  23. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    I’m curious how AS will arrange their interior. I’m not sure the current HA seating arrangement will be successful for flying out of SeaTac especially when every route they will try will have competition from DL. I can’t imagine any of the big three having a different paint job for their widebodies.

    I feel like there will be another fare war in Seattle, this time on long haul international flights. I’m sure DL will do anything to prevent AS from having any success anywhere over the ocean.

    1. Stormcrash Avatar
      Stormcrash

      If they really want this aurora thing I feel like there’s a chance to make it half the alaska colors and half hawaiian colors on the widebodies with different names over the doors. I wonder if that’s the plan, keeping Chester and Pulani on the shorter haul aircraft and swoops on the big boys that might need to flow more?

    2. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      I ment “Alaska” in general, not Alaska Airlines. It’s not like they are “Iowa Air”. As far as other global airline names, I can’t get my head around why it is relevant, but the elephant in the room is obviously Delta. Your abbreviation restriction is strange too.Its obviously to exclude one particular airline. You would be O.K. if they changed ther name to AK Airlines? Or Akhi?

      If they don’t have a problem flying JFK-PVR why would they have a problem with LHR-SEA?

      What does Alaska have to do with those flights? It’s the name of the airline that flys them. That’s all that’s needed. It’s the same thing Southwest has to do.with a flight from ISP to FL, or United has to with a flight from LAX to SFO.

      As far as the multiple brands, there are only two brands,and what keeping the HA brand means, and how it is integrated remains to be seen.

  24. Stormcrash Avatar
    Stormcrash

    I don’t like it, the aurora effect is cool but put Chester back on the tail, the swoop alone looks so generic

  25. SAN Greg Avatar
    SAN Greg

    Love it! If Chester has to go, this hits! (although Chester doing the Tango with Pualani would make it better!)

  26. Dean Avatar
    Dean

    Alaska is known as a regional airline.
    They should take the Hawaiian brand as Hawaiian is know worldwide.
    Also, Hawaiian has a much better logo and paint scheme.

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      The paint scheme is of course purely a matter of opnion, but I would wager more people around the world know AS than HA. It was of course a much larger airline, and has had extensive partnerships with airlines around the world for many decades.

    2. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      Initial success will stand/fall based on PNW point of sale and those people know “Alaska” very well – Hawaiian would be an odd choice.

  27. LCL Avatar
    LCL

    I flew on one of those Hawaiian B-787 in First Class in January. It was the most uncomfortable First Class seat ever. I kept thinking except for the Phoenix-Honolulu flight I could have been on an Alaska flight, but not non-stop. But the plane was FULL. So there is demand for the route.

    As far as American’s logo and tail design, I think the logo looks exactly like a Greyhound bus logo.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      … Which is so fitting!

  28. KlimaBXsst Avatar
    KlimaBXsst

    Northern Lights colors are a win. Chester just retired and went to Hawaii to be with Pualani.

  29. Paper Boarding Pass Avatar
    Paper Boarding Pass

    The symbol on the third photo reminds me of a upside down United Airlines logo of the past.

    Anyway, Alaska needs a livery that both Hawaiian & Alaska can rally around once they become one airline.
    I see this spreading to the entire fleet (narrow body & wide-body) as time progresses.
    To make it work, need heavy advertising along the Pacific Rim to educate the flying public.
    If need be, the inter island service (B717 or what ever) could be moved off to a separate subsidiary and maintain the Hawaiian paint scheme to keep the locals happy.

    1. Ken Avatar
      Ken

      The upside down old UA logo is exactly what it is lol. Cranky put that as a joke.

    2. Nick Bax Avatar

      They don’t need a separate subsidiary to operate planes in the Hawaiian Airlines livery. A simple “Operated by Alaska Airlines” at the door will do.
      If they wanted to hide it a little more, they can just put their FAA Certificate Number instead of Alaska Airlines.

  30. Bravenav Avatar
    Bravenav

    It’s interesting that most of the comments are about the livery, not the new LHR service.

    AS is going up against stiff competition, and is little known in Europe. The current Hawaiian product is not competitive. It’s going to be very tough for them.

    As for the livery, it looks like many other swoopy designs. Chester generates conversation; this doesn’t.

    1. Aliqiout Avatar
      Aliqiout

      They won’t be flying with HA’s current configuration. They are improving bussiness and adding premium economy.

      BA has been marketing AS for decades now. AA for even longer (with a shirt hiatus), so LHR should be easier to sell to than FCO locals..They may even have Oneworld code shares.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Bravenav – What’s wrong with the current product? The business class is excellent on that airplane. Now if they were flying the A330, I’d agree with you, but the 787 is a really nice ride. They could use premium economy, and that will come, but it’s certainly competitive as is.

      1. Brad Avatar
        Brad

        Brett. Will Hawaiian be keeping the A330’s they currently have since the 787’s are going to Seattle?

        1. Brett Avatar

          Brad – Yes, the A330s are staying with Hawaiian, and that’s a much better airplane for that network.

  31. Ian L Avatar
    Ian L

    I like the new B787 livery. Unlikely to ever fly it to LHR but might over the Pacific.

    As others have said, an AS/BA JV to LHR makes a decent amount of sense, and the AS-configured 787-9 may make more sense for the route 1x/day than what BA would fly on the same route.

    As for reguonality of the brand, I certainly don’t care, nor do folks in California flying Alaska regularly. Likewise realigning Hawaiian so that flights touching the state are marketed as Hawaiian and flights that don’t touch the state aren’t seems wise (subject to A330s making SEA-ANC cargo runs and such, but I’m betting those get swapped for 787s soon enough).

  32. dtogieguy7 Avatar
    dtogieguy7

    For those of you saying that Alaska Airlines is a regional name that limits growth potential, just remember that QANTAS means Queensland and Northern Territory Air Service. And is a more awkward name than Alaska. Personally, I don’t think it matters. It doesn’t hurt WN when they fly from BWI to the Caribbean now does it?

  33. BK Avatar
    BK

    Others have mentioned this, but this new livery seems like an admission that the “Alaska” brand is poorly suited for international flying. Alaska is a good airline, with a fine but mostly regional reputation. I expect headwinds as they go global against well-established competitors who have decades of experience fine-tuning their international products with well-respected brands and strong loyalty incentives.

    It’s also hard to see DOT/DOJ allowing a very deep alliance among Alaska and Oneworld leaders such as American, British Airways, and Japan Airlines. At least in the US, there doesn’t seem to be much appetite for anything that eliminates competition. While I believe the government’s current approach is outdated, the current Administration has not signaled a change to the long-standing skepticism of anything resembling consolidation involving one of the big three US airlines.

  34. Aliqiout Avatar
    Aliqiout

    Why is it a sign that the brand is poorly suited? It is nit uncommen for airlines to refresh their brands after a merger. Maybe they thought Chester wasn’t well suited, but I wouldn’t go further than that.

    I am also skeptical of any approval of a significant increase in cooperation with AA, but the current administration is unpredictable.

  35. Scarba Avatar
    Scarba

    The Icelandair B757 in the special Aurora Borealis livery is due to be retired later this year.So there will be no comparisons between it and Alaska’s color scheme!

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