3 Links I Love: Impact of Middle East Airlines, Pan Am, Southwest Exodus

Today’s featured link:
New Data Show Steep Decline in International Bookings in Orlando, San Francisco, and Chicago after Gulf Carriers Launch New ServicePartnership for Open & Fair Skies
Yes, this comes from a lobbying group, but the data is still interesting. In short, it shows what you might expect to be the case. In three US cities, when a Middle East carrier entered the market, US carriers and their partners lost a bunch of bookings in competitive markets.

That shouldn’t sound surprising, but it does contradict what we’ve heard others say – that the Middle East carriers are coming in and growing the pie, not taking away from existing airlines. There is one enormous caveat here though. This is only looking at travel from these cities to the Middle East (excluding Israel), Africa, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia. That means the totals are smaller than you’d expect to see if you were looking at all international travel. I still find it interesting to see the data.

Links I Love

Two for the road:
Flying high: Remembering Pan AmCBS News
This video is just one of those fun looks back at what Pan Am used to be, told by former flight attendants. It’s fluffy, but it’s enjoyable.

Southwest Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer Kevin Krone to RetireSouthwest Airlines
Southwest is losing a lot of experience at the top lately. First, Ginger Hardage, SVP of Culture & Communications, retired after 25 years. Then Teresa Laraba, SVP of Customers, died after 31 years with the airline. And now Kevin Krone, VP and Chief Marketing Officer, is retiring after 25 years with Southwest. That’s a lot of loss of institutional knowledge and culture.

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14 Comments on "3 Links I Love: Impact of Middle East Airlines, Pan Am, Southwest Exodus"

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daniel.gooch
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Hmmmm…. Well a few issues with this. First of all, it’s U.S. carrier and their partner bookings that are down. They don’t provide data for overall traffic on these routes, so the headline may be accurate or it may be grossly misleading. Of course if a new carrier enters a market, other direct options could see some decline. There is nothing remarkable about this. Did the pie grow? Can’t tell from what is provided.

Jeruen
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Just to nitpick, but the title of this post suggests that the link is about the impact of the airline based in Beirut.

DougYWG
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Emirates is the oldest, biggest and most successful of the bunch. I don’t believe for a minute that they are subsidized. Can’t comment on QATAR or ETIHAD. And doesn’t the U.S. Government subsidize these carriers’ purchase of Boeing aircraft? So who, exactly, is complaining about what?

jskyz81
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noooo the U.S. carriers are not being subsidies for any aircraft purchases of any kind if that was the case airbus addition would not even been thought of. if the U.S. was subsidizing the airlines now it would be way cheaper to have an all Boeing fleet than to have an mix fleet of airbus and Boeing regardless if many of the A320 family fleet being made here in the U.S.

Doug Swalen
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Operative words for me from that slanted spine piece: “their joint venture partners”. How about a straight up 1:1 network comparison between the legacy carriers and the ME3 in those same airports? Bet the numbers aren’t anywhere near as down. This is why I don’t take much anything these lobby groups say at face value. They spin the hell out of things in an industry well versed in spinning the hell out of things with a rich tradition of spinning the hell out of things. These guys will say and do anything if it gets them an extra dollar. Nothing… Read more »
Dave Starr
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A couple observations on the impact of the mid-east carriers at the person/passenger level. In particular distance flown doesn’t make nearly the difference one might think it would. I live in the Philippines, don’t fly a lot, but when I do it’s commonly to visit family in Orlando. Now that there’s direct Dubai-Orlando service, various booking sites often offer up MNL-DXB-MCO flights at price competitive levels. It’s certainly farther going that way than a typical US carrier routing through perhaps NRT and ORD, but the convenience and lack of hassle of only transiting/plane changing at one international airport, plus arriving… Read more »
TC
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Sorry, but that piece on Middle East Carriers is propaganda at its best. Take the angle you want to get across, and report heavily on it. Any carrier coming into a market will show a decrease of business to existing carriers already there. Eventually, there may be increased business overall, but that may take some time. Why did they focus on Orlando, San Francisco, and Chicago? Orlando is not a hub for anyone unlike Miami. When Qatar came to Miami, it was a new service overall as no one flew to the Middle East Direct from Miami and all connections… Read more »
Ted
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People are choosing with their wallet. It’s a good thing. And the non-US JV partners aren’t doing bad at all.

US airlines need to understand that awful service, decrepite aircraft, and fees galore is driving people away whenever they are given a choice.

Flyer
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I have flown in business class on 2 of the 3 Middle Eastern carriers mentioned. All of my flights were better than any AA, UA, or BA flight I have ever taken. I know that offends some folks, but it’s not close. The flight attendants were more “attendant” and had very positive dispositions (not always a given on AA, UA, and BA). The seats are way more comfortable than the little “pods” on AA/BA. And, wider in the shoulders too! Plus, especially for Etihad when connecting to India, there is the option to leave the USA in the mid-morning and… Read more »
Dave Starr
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That’s about the most profound thing any of us has said in this discussion, Flyer. Being pleasant to passengers. Now that US cabin crews believe themselves to be deputy US federal officers, empowered to have one imprisoned at will for “Interfering with a flight crew member”, flying on US flag airlines has become, to me, like a horror movie where, wrongly accused I am slapped into some clandestine Federal holding pen, keeping my mouth shut and avoiding all contact with others until my lawyer can hopefully get me “sprung” at the end of the trip”. It costs nothing to be… Read more »
Georjet
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Yeah no….too bad for the American carriers and their boohooing about decreased booking. The bottom line is the service in the USA on the bigs sucks. Period. The quality of the inflight experience boders on horrific. There is no quality customer service standards to speak of. You really don’t know what you’ll get from flight to flight even in a premium cabin. So too damn bad. I am glad their are other options out there. I would never fly a US carrier internationally.

Murali
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The reason why American carriers lose passengers when Middle East Carriers enter the market – is because all American carriers SUCK. United at the top of the list, followed by everyone else. Infact, the middle eastern carriers charge MORE than the American carriers. This is truly – the passenger paying with his / her wallet. I have paid multiple times upto $300 / person to travel on an non-American carrier when I fly internationally.

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