Let’s Dig In to the LAX People Mover Saga


The long-awaited people mover at Los Angeles International Airport has been delayed, delayed, and delayed again. It was originally supposed to open in March 2023, and at last check, the posted date is now October 2026. That probably won’t happen either. This isn’t just your regular “construction project has delays” kind of issue. It has devolved into a terrible, vicious battle between the airport — Los Angeles World Airports (LAWA) — and LINXS, a group of contractors that formed a joint venture to bid on the project.

Now that the first lawsuit has been filed, there is more public information available on what exactly has gone wrong. I will post about that soon, but first, it’s time to set the stage about what exactly the plan has been for the so-called SkyLink train and why it is so important.

Anyone who has driven in the infamous horseshoe that carries cars around Los Angeles International Airport’s (LAX) central terminal area knows just how miserable it can be. Gridlock is common, rogue car rental buses dart out in front of you — I’m not kidding, I had one sideswipe me several years ago, curse you, Enterprise — and travelers are constantly playing Frogger to get to and from the parking garages.

But fear not, the LAMP is underway and it will solve all your problems.* That stands for the Landside Access Modernization Program, and I’m pretty sure it was launched in 1963 shortly after the central terminal area opened. That’s only a slight exaggeration. But the idea is to make it easy for people to avoid the dreaded horseshoe. After years of discussion, this is the plan that was settled on.

*Or at least some of them

It is hard to explain in words just how much of an undertaking this was. See the rental car center at the upper right? That used to be an entire neighborhood from the post-WWII period called Manchester Square. As you can see below, in 2005 it was still a crowded neighborhood with homes and even a school. By 2015, it had been largely abandoned as the airport kept buying up property for expansion, many of them having been knocked down. And today? It’s a gigantic rental car center.

Maybe the scale still isn’t clear. The rental car center is the second largest concrete building in the US behind the Pentagon. And that’s just the upper right corner of that map showing the entire project’s scope.

The next stop to the west is the LAX/Metro Transit Center which finally, after many years, brought light rail (in pink) to the airport with the K (Crenshaw) line going north-south and the C (Green) line heading east. Previously, C line travelers had been forced to get off at a station south of the airport which isn’t even on this map. It had a slow and infrequent bus into the terminal area. The opening of the K line and the eventual SkyLink will change the game here, especially since this is also where buses from all over the LA Basin will park.

Still further west, we have the Intermodal Transportation Facility – West, which is going to be generally referred to as the economy parking stop. But this is also where hotel shuttles will go along with a park & ride area for people to drop off passengers. In other words, the horseshoe will be rid of car rental buses and hotel shuttles, and travelers will have the option of being dropped off remotely and then taking the train in. This is going to make a huge difference. It may eventually mean the ultimate demise of the hated LAXit lot for rideshare as well. We’ll see how that goes.

Inside the central terminal area, there are three stops. They opted to go with a train running right up the spine instead of around the horseshoe, and that’s a good thing. It means getting to United in Terminal 7 will be a lot quicker than it otherwise would be. There are bridges that take people from the train right into each terminal area. Well, ok, close enough. Terminal 1 doesn’t appear to have a bridge. I think that’s supposed to go into Concourse 0 when it’s built, but it probably won’t be built. So there will be a bit of overshoot to get in there.

And that’s just the train itself. There’s more to this project, including making 98th Street go all the way through to take some of the pressure off of the main artery, Century Blvd, which people take to and from the east of the airport today.

There are other projects which will reconfigure Sepulveda Blvd to try to make traffic flow more smoothly, but I’m not even getting into that. Suffice it to say that the LAMP alone is a massive undertaking with an incredible result… when that SkyLink opens. Because until then, shuttles still flood the horseshoe and those on Metro still need to take a slow bus to the terminals. The SkyLink solves all those problems, and we are all just waiting for it to open.

As I mentioned up top, this has turned very ugly, and now, it’s lawsuit time. I’ve read through this first suit so you don’t have to, and I’ll have more on why we still can’t take the train next week.

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106 responses to “Let’s Dig In to the LAX People Mover Saga”

  1. Bobber Avatar
    Bobber

    Just charge $10 to drop off/pick up a traveller like most of the UK airports now do; people soon change their airport transportation behaviors.

    1. AlanZ Avatar
      AlanZ

      It is my understanding that it will be finished when the Allegris seating for LH first and business class seating is finished or when Boeing releases the 777-9.

  2. Arouie Avatar
    Arouie

    Chicago had a recent multi year delay on their modernization with a ton of finger pointing between the airport authority and contractors. Tons of cost overruns and extra cost for running replacement shuttles for literally years. Not nearly as complicated of a project as LAX (should have been simple in comparison). Interesting these airport people movers are problems for many airports (see Denver too…).

    Solution: Dulles buggies!?!

    1. Chris Avatar
      Chris

      As an ORD flyer, watching the ATS operate without PAX for years was infuriating. I recall at the time that rumor was that there was a height discrepancy on the platforms for the ATS of an inch and that lead to a whole bunch of rework.

    2. Oliver Avatar
      Oliver

      The new FRA people mover to T3 had a lengthy shutdown shortly after it opened as well, I think.

    3. brian w Avatar
      brian w

      I think that is why the new SLC gave up on a shuttle between concourses and just uses moving walkways. It is a long walk, but you avoid stories of the DEN shuttle breaking and the airport not being functional. Crazy they never designed a walking path for when the shuttle goes down.

      1. Oliver Avatar
        Oliver

        I had to navigate ATL once when the train was down and that was quite the walk.

        Does SEA have a backup path for connecting the satellites to the main terminal if the trains have issues? I have looked for doors/signage, but never saw anything.

        Moving walkways seem to be pretty prone to breakdowns, too. Would be interesting to know whether they are more or less reliable than automated people mover trains. At least you can still walk on them if they are stopped, but that might be a struggle for mobility challenged passengers.

        1. NedsKid Avatar
          NedsKid

          SEA uses the bus gates that support remote aircraft parking they’ve built on every concourse/satellite to easily run shuttles when the train has problems. It’s already ADA accessible, requires no special access control, and they have the fleet of buses.

        2. Anthony Avatar
          Anthony

          SEA does not have a way to walk to satellites today. The airport is evaluating a project to replace the train system and debating whether to replace with a new train system (tunnels require reinforcements and widening and new train cars) or a system of underground walkways (a lot of debate about the entry points from the concourses into those tunnels). When the airport does overnight train maintenance, they run buses from bus boarding gates to the satellites but those buses can’t accommodate even a fraction of the capacity that the train system can in the event of a system failure.

  3. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    The entirety of LAX is just a disaster. I still want to know who thought the horseshoe was a good idea and why. But not all of the “space age thinking” from the 1960’s was competent. That being one of them. LAX really needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt from scratch. But that just isn’t even a remote possibility.

    Do you remember back in the 1980’s I think it was, and some people both recognized and foresaw many of these problems and wanted to shutter LAX completely and move the airport up to PMD? Sort of like what Denver did when they condemned Stapleton and built DIA.

    Of course they don’t have the logistics problem of having the airport being 40 or 50 miles away, separated by a mountain range the way Palmdale would be.

    It seems like these patchwork “fixes” don’t *really* fix much of anything. But I’m sure a lot of palms are getting greased in the process. Isn’t that how it usually goes with government projects?

    I think that the symbolic palm tree should be changed to the construction crane as the official tree of LAX. And the California state flower should become the orange road cone instead of the poppy. Since both will be a common sight at LAX for all eternity.

    But all of us already know that.

    And another historical tidbit you may or may not have known. The Light Rail line that runs parallel to Aviation Blvd is the former Santa Fe/BNSF Harbor Subdivision freight railroad line. It was closed when the Alameda Corridor opened up. The former was both redundant and much slower than the latter and was a huge boon to BNSF and UP. And the line subsequently sold to LAWA or Metro, or whoever owns it now.

    1. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      The horseshoe made sense in the 1950s – traffic at the airport was light, there was just one level, traffic to/from the airport was light. Anyone whose memory goes back to the 1970s can attest that in those conditions, it worked.

      But, it hasn’t worked for decades. LAX faces the same issues as other airports where the terminal layout was set at roughly the same era, like JFK and ORD (and EWR). Those infield multi-terminal layouts are incredibly inefficient under high loads.

      What they all need is a complete redevelopment. Those airports are some of the most precious infrastructure land in the nation – we owe it to our generation and to future generations to make it as efficient as possible. Efficiency, in this case, means reducing total travel time for as many passengers as possible.

      In the case of LAX, there should be a single head-house built adjacent to the 105. That alone would save huge amounts of time, because it would eliminate the drive-time between 105 and the airport, which in itself is a source of additional travel time. That single head-house would have, in its basement or subbasement, a station for the metro and provision for a mainline train station. It would also have a bus station integrated with it. There would be dedicated people movers to a consolidated rental facility and to parking. There’s be a valet parking onsite at the head house.

      The headhouse would have a people mover that would go between the headhouse and DEN/ATL/etc style concourses, allowing all aircraft to flow directly from concourses to both sides of the airfield. One of those concourses would coincide with the theme building so that can be preserved. Aircraft would arrive and go quickly to the gates, no requirement to maneuver around the horseshoe, which would obviously be abolished.

      A properly redeveloped airfield could likely save at least a half hour, probably far more than that, off of people’s total travel time too/from the LA area. And a fast travel time is the whole reason why people fly.

      The snag is we currently, as a nation, suck at infrastructure. We need to fix that, there’s no good reason why it’s so damn expensive in the US relative to other countries. Infrastructure is far cheaper even in Europe. We have too many gatekeepers, we have too many oligopolies and too many rent-seekers have their hands out and want a taste.

      There is no good reason why these airports shouldn’t be properly redeveloped other than self-inflicted BS. Instead, what we’re doing is aggressively creating reasons why not to fly through LAX by increasing the hassle at every stage.

      Similarly true at JFK, EWR, even to some extent ORD, etc. We voluntarily do this stupid **** to ourselves, people. We are very much the stupid country in this regard (and, unfortunately, many others).

      1. GKK Avatar
        GKK

        Fun idea but who is going to pay for that project? That would make LAMP look like child’s play… orders of magnitude more expensive.

        It would have been fun to live in the postwar USA era with the benefit of today’s infrastructure/planning knowledge.

        1. JT8D Avatar
          JT8D

          But they’re spending huge amounts already to apply bandaids that don’t fix it. And again, the issue is not that it’s intrinsically expensive, it’s that the US is currently uniquely terrible at infrastructure, which is, again, bull**** we’ve inflicted on ourselves.

      2. BrianW Avatar
        BrianW

        As someone who flies through JFK often, it isnt that bad. The airtrain is effective, although expensive ($8.75 a ride) and long term parking is $45 a day. T8 is fine. T5 is crowded. Both lack cheap casual/fast food options. The big issue is the crowded airspace and ATC delays JFK could also use airside connections between terminals like Jetblue had with AA during its Northeasr alliance.

        1. Eric R Avatar
          Eric R

          Just to be clear, the airtrain is free when connecting between terminals and going to/from the rental car station. This is more akin to the story Cranky is writing about.

          The $8.75 comes in to play when you go beyond the rental car facility to Jamaica or Howard Beach or other onward destinations.

          1. jfruh Avatar
            jfruh

            True but when the LAX SkyTrain is up and running it will also be free to use it to connect to the LA Metro Rail system.

      3. Alex B. Avatar
        Alex B.

        “There is no good reason why these airports shouldn’t be properly redeveloped other than self-inflicted BS.”

        No, path-dependence is a perfectly good reason. Massive redevelopment schemes, particularly in the same place, are extraordinarily challenging, if not impossible to pull off. And for that reason, airports like LAX and JFK muddle through.

        DEN and ATL made the investments to build new terminals, but notably both did them off site – ATL building the new terminal south of the old one, and DEN doing so with a totally new airport. Neither of those options are available to a place like LAX. And these are good reasons why what you propose hasn’t happened.

        Also, the idea of a fully remove headhouse terminal concept is fine, but it doesn’t address some of the key challenges facing LAX in particular: It has a massive share of O&D traffic, and it’s very competitive with huge numbers of airlines both domestically and internationally. Both of those factors require a large amount of terminal space and associated facilities (curbside frontage, baggage claims, etc). Plus LA’s car dominance means that you have to handle huge numbers of those O&D passengers via car, which is spatially inefficient.

        1. Carl Avatar
          Carl

          Since curbside frontage is expensive, there is no reason that it shouldn’t be allocated by price. Let people who want to drop off or pick up at the terminal pay a $10 toll. People who drop off at the People Mover station can do that for free. Simple enough.

          Trains like at SEA and DEN and ORD show that when you provide quality transit, a significant number of airport workers and travelers will use the train. This redevelopment could have been a chance for LAWA to make a move in that direction, but they did it pretty half-heartedly.

        2. JT8D Avatar
          JT8D

          LHR managed a substantial (if not complete) development, with T5 and the new T2.

          Again, the US has done extraordinarily little on infrastructure now for generations. We sit here and squeeze the last few drops out of bridges, airports, etc, that, for the most part, we built 70-100 years ago. “Path-dependency” is simply a way to say we’re stuck with whatever prior generations provided us with, which is not at all how they saw things.

          We were once a far more capable country.

  4. NedsKid Avatar
    NedsKid

    Nick Andert did a great video on this a couple weeks ago on YouTube (channel nandert). It’s very fascinating about the structure of the contract and how it can be abused. I’m not sure if I’m more frustrated with LINXS or with LAWA not reading and comprehending its own contract.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      I saw that video & yes, very comprehensive. Tiger railfan, another YouTube channel does regular updates regarding LA’s transit including the people mover construction.

      1. NedsKid Avatar
        NedsKid

        Ah yes, I think I saw a video perhaps from him on the whole Sepulveda/Skyway intersection to World Way roughly where Terminal 0 will go.

      2. Brett Avatar

        NedsKid – Yep, I have a link and reference to that video in the next post. It’s a great video.

    2. E175 Respecter Avatar
      E175 Respecter

      No one is doing it like Nick Andert when it comes to transit projects in LA and possibly the US. His series on the LA-region airports is great as well, even if you’re not a transit nerd.

      1. Brian W Avatar
        Brian W

        The SLC Airport was built faster than the people mover.

        1. haolenate Avatar
          haolenate

          what do you expect from California.. look at the high speed rail.

          How many billions have been spent, and not a SINGLE SECTION OF TRACK has been laid.

          Sadly the Newsom bots are going to responsible for the downfall of a certain party in California very soon….

          1. SEAN Avatar
            SEAN

            This is a US problem when it comes to construction projects of this scale, not just in California. CHSR is a microcosm of the real issue.

            1. Eric R Avatar
              Eric R

              Sure, but some states are noticeably worse than others.

            2. CraigTPA Avatar
              CraigTPA

              A lot of the delays and complexity in CAHSR came from politics. The original mandate was to run a train between SF Bay and LA to stimulate travel and replace a large number of flights for environmental reasons.

              The moment they decided to reroute the project to include the cities of the Central Valley they drove up the price tag immensely – right-of-way acquisition would have been simpler and cheaper down the west edge of the Valley instead of the much more expensive east side. And they did it stupidly by trying to buy bits and pieces of farms, cutting off some parts from others, instead of just buying entire farms, running train, and then reformatting and reselling the rest, with road changes if necessary.

              The CV cities connection should have been a separate project that could have learned from the first. And I’m a former Fresnan.

              (And the original budget was wildly understated.)

          2. Carl Avatar
            Carl

            How much of the California HSR delays and increases is the fault of the political system that gives so much power to NIMBYs and interest groups that can use environmental reviews and lawsuits to delay and derail anything that they want to? USA also has laws and policies that make everything way more expensive to build.

    3. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      The video was depressing. For LAWA that recently built the Tom Bradley terminal and the RCC, it should have known how to write a contract to protect itself. At minimum, it should have had a termination clause where LAWA could buy out the contractors and takeover the project.

    4. Doug Swalen Avatar
      Doug Swalen

      After sitting through that video when it came out you’re left with your blood boiling….and my airport is SFO. How could LAWA agree to a contract like that? How could LINX’s contractors think they could abuse the terms of the contract like that and expect anyone to want to work with them ever again?

  5. 1990 Avatar
    1990

    Have a trip through LAX this September and was really hoping to use the train for the rental car center. Alas… back to the shuttle bus loop.

    It’s wild comparing TPA’s SkyConnect or PHX’s Sky Train (~4 years each) to LAX pushing 7+ years. LAX joins ORD in disappointment (quick 10-month ‘renovation’ becomes a 3 year closure). JFK’s AirTrain took 6 years (but it goes over 8 miles, compared to 2). The original EWR also took 6 years; and the rebuild probably won’t be finished until 2030. Maybe we just need to lower expectations even further; say, if the LAX people-mover is open before the 2028 Olympics, call it a victory.

    1. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      What complicated JFK AirTrain’s construction was getting from Jamaica station on the LIRR to the Van Wike expressway.

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        And it’s been ‘smooth-sailing’ on the Van Wyck ever since… *cough*

        1. SEAN Avatar
          SEAN

          Oh, I was referring to when AirTrain was under construction. The Van Wyck has always been a problem as every NYer knows. No thanks to that schmuck Robert Moses!

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            Allegedly… current construction supposed to be done by… this September. (Right…)

    2. SEAN Avatar
      SEAN

      As for Newark AirTrain, it originally was designed as on airport transport only before being extended to a new station over the Northeast corridor. The current vehicles were similar to the Disney monorail, but the system that will replace it is reported to be similar to what they have at JFK.

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Yes, long-overdue. Connection at least to Amtrak/Jersey Transit (trains), and ideally PATH, would/will be a major improvement for EWR.

        1. DP Avatar
          DP

          The Newark AirTrain connects to the NJ Transit/Amtrak station already. I think plans are underway to have PATH connect.

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            Indeed. It’s a little confusing right now because they’re using a shuttle bus at times for NJ/Amtrak (during the construction). Ultimately, yes, the extension to the PATH would/will be the major improvement. By 2030! *holds breath*

          2. Carl Avatar
            Carl

            Nope. The existing EWR Airtrain is obsolete and can no longer be maintained. It’s being replaced by a new Airtrain that will no longer loop through the terminals.

            While PATH should be extended to EWR, that hasn’t been funded or committed, and there may well be interests who don’t want that.

            1. 1990 Avatar
              1990

              It will certainly be ‘obsolete’ whenever they get around to knocking-down Terminal B and C! (2030s)

    3. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      I took the airtrain yesterday at JFK to Jamaica. Although it took awhile to build, it is great it is linked to every platform on the LIRR. The $8.75 is expensive for a ride, but I would rather pay it than deal with a bus to LGA.

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        I actually don’t mind the ‘bus’ (LaGuardia Link Q70); it’s free, 24/7, runs frequently, connects to both Subway and LIRR. Sure, a dedicated AirTrain connection directly to the new LGA would be nicer, but supposedly it would have cost over $2.4 billion (and taken at least 3 years, and disrupted the highways). If you wanna blame NY Governor Hochul for abandoning the project, you’re welcome to; instead, Port Authority set aside $500m for Q70 to remain free, among other upgrades. Nearly $2 billion of the rest of that budget is now going towards Port Authority Bus Terminal upgrades, Gateway tunnel, and the other airport modernization projects (like at JFK and EWR).

        1. NedsKid Avatar
          NedsKid

          The Q70 works well and I’ve never had a problem with it that I could put on the bus or bus service itself. What I miss about Spirit is flying into LGA and arriving at the MAT and being on the Q70 within 3 minutes of walking off the plane.

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            Ah, the Marine Air Terminal (A)… Haven’t been there since before the pandemic (when B6 was still flying there). Doesn’t have much (no lounges), and now (with Spirit gone) there are no commercial flights outta there, but it does have that cool mural/rotunda, and it could be quite ‘efficient.’

            1. Bill from DC Avatar
              Bill from DC

              After winning the auction for NK’s slots, JetBlue wants to move its whole LGA operation back to MAT. Which is a great idea!

            2. 1990 Avatar
              1990

              Bill, if it saves them some money and keeps them operating at LGA, then I say, great. If it merely makes it so I can’t visit any lounges as I wait for a continuously delayed B6 flight… I’mm’a be unhappy. Currently, so many options to choose from at Terminal B (Amex, Chase, etc.) Maybe, someday, United will copy the NEA and offer reciprocal lounge access (like AA did). We shall see…

            3. Bill from DC Avatar
              Bill from DC

              good point 1990. if they really want to go outside the box, they would find a way to put the historic rotunda behind security and make that the lounge!

        2. SEAN Avatar
          SEAN

          A once active blog “2nd Avenue Sagas” has a section dedicated on the LGA AirTrain that prior governor Cuomo pushed for before resigning. There are some good reads there if anyone is curious.

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            Yes! And, Ben is still quite active on Blue Sky at least! (Someday… NYC deserves a true, full 2nd Avenue line… for now, at least a Phase 2 will be nice… 96th to 125th by 2032ish… and eventually 3 and 4… by, oh, geez, 2050s?)

    4. haolenate Avatar
      haolenate

      this is what happens when your people keep getting elected, and they demonize any other ways to do things.

      How quickly was the MIA transit center built & linked to the terminals again, please remind me.

      1. 1990 Avatar
        1990

        Who you callin’… “your people”? Bah.

        If you need MIA’s stats, it was 30 months start-to-finish. MIA, TPA, and PHX all used Design-Build contracts. At LAX, complex P3 legal/financial disputes and utility standoffs seem to be what’s holding things up, not partisanship or geography.

        Seattle (as “blue” as it gets) opens light rail and Sound Transit expansions on or near schedule. Meanwhile, Texas high-speed rail has been in gridlock for over a decade (pretty darn “red” there).

        As I recall where you are based. Even Panama City, Panama, managed to build a brand new 8.5-mile Metro line in 38 months and link it directly to Tocumen Airport. I saw it (mostly elevated rail) when I was last there, but I rented a car so didn’t get to try it. Have you taken it yet?

        1. John G Avatar
          John G

          Don’t throw Texas in that.

          The high speed rail project will likely not happen at all. People here see what is happening in CA and think nahh we are good.

          The problem with HS rail is for it to work, it has to be within a densely populated corridor. But if that corridor already exists without rails, it become prohibitively expensive.

          Throw in that what makes HS rail also work is the efficiency of time. If you route it all over the place to make everybody happy they got a station, then the time in transit skyrockets, and people would just fly or drive.

          Here’s the other thing about rail. People don’t understand how it works and what makes it efficient. There is some romantic notion of train travel.

          People say they would ride a train that takes twice as long and costs the same…but they also say they would rather pay extra for more room on planes and almost no one does.

          1. 1990 Avatar
            1990

            Ah, there it is… “Don’t mess with Texas” (or its highways)!

            Just to reset context: I brought up Texas HSR to refute the trope that blue states fail at infrastructure while red states breeze through it. Seattle gets its light rail built; Texas HSR stays gridlocked.

            Ironically, Dallas-to-Houston is one of the few US routes that actually makes financial sense. The nail in the coffin was political: intense oil/gas backing and culture-war rhetoric labeling trains as “woke” long before track could ever be laid.

            1. Bill from DC Avatar
              Bill from DC

              yeah this country sucks at rail regardless of which flavor of crooks run the government

            2. 1990 Avatar
              1990

              And yet, it really doesn’t have to. It’s a choice. Amtrak’s Acela is still a gem, if you need to get from NYC to DC, or PHL, or BOS, for instance.

  6. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    One thing that seemed really stupid from my experience on Monday is that each of the three major car rental companies have their own shuttle busses that drop people off at the same freaking building. It would be better to have one bus system that goes from the terminals to the car rental center to keep some traffic out of there.

    Does it surprise anyone that it is taking forever to build this train? Look at the high speed rail which by the time I will die will connect Merced with Bakersfield even though it has been almost 18 years since it was approved by voters.

    1. NedsKid Avatar
      NedsKid

      I believe I read somewhere that since the APM was supposed to be up and running in conjunction with the CONRAC there was no funding allocated and thus to procure buses to carry the full volume. It would be a fairly hefty fleet to have the airport run everyone. They just don’t have that in the existing fleet nor the personnel. So yeah, it’s silly. But I’ve also learned just get on whatever bus is there when I reach the curb.

      It isn’t surprising on the whole, from a “well, it’s California and a train-kind thing….” tongue in cheek. But this is a completely different issue as I’m sure Cranky will go into. There are some very specific reasons why the APM isn’t running and it’s mostly a broken contract process with a contractor (LINXS) that is arguably using dispute resolution to raid the cash register. The high speed rail is more regulatory, lack of funding and land rights, bickering over routes, etc.

      1. southbay flier Avatar
        southbay flier

        I can believe that the APM was supposed to run. The building is definitely designed to be accessed by shuttle bus.

        As for the making fun of trains. The US as a whole has trouble building infrastructure these days and that is even more true in California. Another example of trains not being built on schedule is the BART extension into downtown San Jose.

        1. haolenate Avatar
          haolenate

          *cough* Brightline.

          Yeah, not profitable and a republican project, but at least the thing is running.

        2. NedsKid Avatar
          NedsKid

          It is designed to work with shuttle buses (and in fact whatever rental car companies won’t be in the CONRAC will have to pick up/drop off customers at it, like many other airports, for your Fox and U-Save and Pls-Scam-Me-Rentals etc). But running a shuttle bus system for all passengers from all terminals takes more than a handful of buses and staff. It’s quite a capital need. You’d probably need 60-70 or so buses in the fleet as a baseline given number of terminals, cycle times, peak demand, having arrival/departure buses separate, and so forth.

    2. Brian W Avatar
      Brian W

      I found that strange that the rental car companies wouldn’t pool resources for the shuttles or LAWA which owns the RCC, runs the buses until the people mover is up. All buses (citt/RCC/hotels) should be separated from general traffic in dedicated lanes either on the arrivals or departures loop.

      There is a lot LAWA can do to make the loop more efficient. As someone mentioned, you could electronically toll cars that enter the loop to motivate more people to use buses. Police can used to keep cars from waiting at the curb and use more short term parking in the garage for pickups.

      1. Brett Avatar

        Brian W – The infrastructure has to be there. Every time I drive into the airport, my FasTrak transponder beeps. So there is something that’s already being tracked.

        1. David M Avatar

          My understanding the airport tracks shuttle busses and taxis using the same basic technology as FasTrack, but it’s not connected to the FasTrack system. So your transponder beeps because it’s still being read.

          1. Brett Avatar

            David M – Thanks, seems entirely possible. But that should mean that implementing a charge should be easier than having to build something from scratch. I say that… but I’m probably wrong.

            1. southbay flier Avatar
              southbay flier

              My FasTrak would beep when driving around SJC as well. I thought it would be either busses or rideshare vehicles.

              I remember flying into EZE in 2014 and you had to go through a toll barrier on the way in and out of the airport loop.

      2. Oliver Avatar
        Oliver

        Fortunately I don’t have to travel through LAX very often, but every time I am waiting for a shuttle, there are private cars waiting for someone in the shuttle bus loading/unloading areas, jamming up the flow of traffic. I have yet to see a single one get ticketed or even just spoken to by an airport police / traffic officer.

      3. Bob Schilling Avatar
        Bob Schilling

        Rental car companies will never voluntarily pool their buses. They think they get impluse renters, and once they get them, they don’t want to give them any more choices than they have to. That’s one of the reasons they abandoned the rental counters in the terminals – people would shop them based on the length of the line, and their sales people would work anything that looked like a long line to entice renters to a different counter. Auto renters don’t pay a dime until they sign a contract at the counter, so they can go anywhere they want, regardless of reservation.

  7. Carl Avatar
    Carl

    From a public policy viewpoint, it is wild and counter-productive that low-capacity private vehicles which pay nothing to access the airport are being prioritized and allowed to drive right up to the front of all the terminals. While transit users and high capacity shuttles are relegated to the off airport locations requiring a walk to/from the terminal and a connecting train. And likely the hotel shuttles being charged for the privilege.

    You could not make a worse public access trade-off. It’s also literally the opposite of what all of California’s climate policies and gas policies are supposed to encourage: people get incentivized to have a friend or relative drive them to the terminal or get picked up, or maybe use a non-rideshare taxi.

    A better allocation of space would have been to force private cars to drop off at one of the people mover stations, and collect a toll for people who want to drive through the terminal loop, and to let the hotel shuttles and shared ride vans access the terminals. Also, like literally every airport worldwide that has decent rail access, to have the light rail station inside the horseshoe so that people can access the terminals centrally like at OHare (well T1-3). But also like at Singapore, Bangkok, Taipei, Seoul, Narita, Haneda, Beijing, Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Amsterdam, etc. In this day and age to build LAX rail transit such that it needs a connection can only have been done because they weren’t really serious about providing rail access and didn’t really want to undercut their revenue from rental cars and parking and fees from hotel shuttles and rideshares. Stupid public policy decisions.

    1. Ron Avatar
      Ron

      Yup. It’s called corruption.

    2. PHLLAX Avatar
      PHLLAX

      “A better allocation of space would have been to force private cars to drop off at one of the people mover stations”

      That was the original plan – close the horsehoe off completely to private cars.

      1. Brett Avatar

        PHLLAX – Ah yes, the old 2004 plan from Mayor Hahn. That was… something. It was also a non-starter from the beginning. There was so much opposition that it led to the 2006 stipulated settlement which restricted the airport’s ability to grow passenger processing beyond its footprint, among other things.

    3. haolenate Avatar
      haolenate

      they don’t have unions backing a certain party at 150% unlike the US….

      And I mean MORE than just TAXI cab driver unions.

    4. John G Avatar
      John G

      A question for you. Who owns LAX?

      Wouldn’t that be the people of Los Angeles? Well…most of those private cars you denigrate are citizens of LA so they are part owners also.

      People in LA expect to be able to pick up and drop off in their cars. They do, and the elected officials know it. I live in DFW but it is the same here.

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        extremely valid point and very demonstrative of why there are no easy solutions to complex problems

        1. FrequentWanderer Avatar
          FrequentWanderer

          Most people in LA want “someone else” to take the bus, while each person wants to be in their own car. If you’ve never lived in Southern California, you wouldn’t understand. We are a car-based people. Full stop

    5. Bob Schilling Avatar
      Bob Schilling

      There’s a specific problem at LAX. Transpac flights to Asia often carry passengers with a great deal of luggage. You can see it on any busy late night at Bradley. We don’t know how to accommodate the passengers bound for the Philippines, or Viet Nam or Cambodia or Taiwan or increasingly Colombia or Ecuador (among many others) who are bringing their families everything from a year’s worth of diapers to digital TVs to (I’ve seen this) small refrigerators. In addition, in some cultures, seeing someone off at the airport requires a retinue of at least 10 relatives. These folks move about in multiple vans and SUVs. You’re not going to get them on a people-mover. And if you charge them to come into the airport, you’re going to deal with some very unhappy members of the City Council. What might work would be to set aside a generous parking area near the transportation center (aka Long Term Parking), and offer 2 hours free parking there. Valet parking there might also do well.

  8. Htown Harry Avatar
    Htown Harry

    Brett: this week my travels took me through MIA for the first time in quite a while. Reading this, I realized there are several common layout features shared by LAX and MIA: thoroughfares providing access to the airport, a horseshoe terminal access roadway, distributed TSA checkpoints, several terminals without airside pedestrian or people mover cross-access, etc.

    And – relevant to this post – an operational people mover up the center of the horseshoe connecting to an off-site rail ground transportation station. I can imagine that MIA also once had a “dreaded horseshoe” that improved operationally with the completion of the people mover.

    Fair comparison?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Htown – They do have a similar makeup, though the Miami people mover is a far more simple operation. I don’t know nearly as much about the history of MIA, but they look similar on the surface.

  9. Gayla Kraetsch Hartsough Avatar

    In 2022, our firm — KH Consulting Group — did a management audit of LAWA, as mandated by the Los Angeles City charter. In it, we raised concerns about LAWA’s readiness for launching the people mover. Given your recent posting, you might find this report of interest:
    https://controller.lacity.gov/audits/industrial-economic-and-administrative-survey-of-the-los-angeles-world-airports
    The report is available to the public on the Los Angeles City Controller’s website. There are other sections of the report that raised other concerns in 2022, which LAWA did not address and unfortunately are becoming bigger issues today. FYI.

  10. dee Avatar
    dee

    Will it ever get done? I hate to see how the Olympics will do with all of this!!!

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      Politicians tend to get motivation if there’s a bunch of publicity on the line. I live in a FIFA host city and somehow we were able to repave what seems like the entire city grid in ~2 months before kick-off. Highly impressive compared to normal public works projects, although I think there were Federal funds released to help accomplish some of it

      1. Brett Avatar

        See_Bee – And yes, here we are in LA and the World Cup still couldn’t get the people mover done. I get the sense that LINXS figured LAWA would never go through the World Cup without the people mover open so they tried to hold them hostage to get it done. It didn’t work.

  11. Wayne Avatar
    Wayne

    Brett – You mentioned the hotel shuttles being moved – does this include the FlyAway and other parking shuttles as well?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Wayne – I would assume the parking shuttles would move, but I don’t know for sure. Flyaway could go to the metro transit center, but I’m not sure if there’s a plan for that or not.

  12. HkCaGu Avatar
    HkCaGu

    The RCC, only smaller than The Pentagon, ought to be nicknamed The Tetragon.

  13. Brian W Avatar
    Brian W

    For those that complain America cant build infrastructure, SLC built an entire new Delta hub airport in a decade for around $5.1B. CMH is being completely redveloped at the moment.

    LAX is 8 year into the people mover construction, at a cost of $3.1B so far.

    I go out of my way to use LGB or SNA to avoid the congestion at LAX, and have rental car access without needing a shuttle bus ride. I appreciate both AA and DL now run flights from SNA to JFK non stop.

  14. DaveP Avatar
    DaveP

    Unless things have changed since I was there a few months back, each of the rental car companies have their own shuttle buses-which leave from the same terminals and arrive at the same rental car center. This doesn’t seem economical-but I guess since this is “temporary” until the train is built-that’s the way it is.

  15. jfruh Avatar
    jfruh

    One correction Bret is that LAXIt is definitely going away when the people mover opens. There is a whole area at the economy parking stop that is set aside for taxi/rideshare pickup.

    1. Brett Avatar

      jfruh – Thank you, I didn’t have that confirmed, though I’m still not convinced there is a solid plan until we actually see it. I imagine there is still a world where curbside is possible if traffic declines enough. I guess either way LAXit disappears though, and that’s good.

      1. jfruh Avatar
        jfruh

        I don’t have the links handy but there was an LAX PowerPoint making the rounds on transit groups that laid out a plan where pickups will be at the economy lot to the south of the people mover station. Dropoffs can still happen in the horseshoe but will be an extra charge, and ppl who want to avoid that can also be dropped off at the people mover station.

  16. GM Avatar
    GM

    Pretty certain it will be running before the Olympics as the trains have resumed running on what appears to be close to peak time run rates. If it runs for 30 days at peak run rates without a break down, it will be cleared for passengers.
    There was a month period in May or June where major structural work was done on several of the joints near the maintance building and the metro station. It appeared to have been a major construction defect of some sort.

    The October date is mentioned as a start date because that is the end date of the contact extension with LAZ parking for running shuttles from the core to economy parking. The contract has a 90 day termination clause so if it it getting shorten or possibly extended it would need to happen at the next board meeting.

    1. Brett Avatar

      GM – And now I see it’s been delayed to November. So we’ll just keep ticking along for now…

  17. Mark C Avatar
    Mark C

    Thanks for the update. I was not aware of a pending lawsuit until your post. Here is the link to the LA Times article from 7/14. Doesn’t sound like it will delay start date when the People Mover system will be open to the public, once they figure out what day that is, as LAWS and LINXS are in a pissing contest over who f**ked up. Look forward to your insight on this mess. BTW, I was at LAX yesterday and the trams were running their tests.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2026-07-14/lax-people-mover-contractor-sues-city

  18. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    I might have missed this in the many comments but how did the green line transport itself from being completely south of Imperial Highway, the 105 and all of the runways to now magically appear northeast of LAX?

    1. Brett Avatar

      Bill from DC – Magic!

      What actually happened is that they changed the route. The C/Green line used to head west along the median of the 105 freeway until the Aviation/LAX station where the bus to LAX came. Then the C turned left and headed down through El Segundo and ended at the Redondo Beach station. Now, at Aviation/LAX (which has been renamed Aviation/Imperial), it turns right and heads to Aviation/Century before terminating at LAX/Metro Transit Center. The K/Crenshaw line came from the north and ended before the airport originally. Once that stretch of track opened to the transit center, the K line ran from the north through LAX/Metro Transit Center and Aviation/Century before splitting from the C line. The El Segundo/Redondo stations all became part of the K instead of the C.

      Here’s what they went with:
      https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LACMTA_C_and_K_Line_Service_Patterns_Option_2.webp

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        Thanks Brett, that makes so much sense it almost doesn’t belong in this discussion!

        I know this is way outside the scope of this update but I wonder why some of the land that is already part of or directly adjacent to LAX wasn’t used for some of this stuff, particularly the CONRAC.

        just eyeballing sat photos on Google maps, it looks like it could have fit in several places particularly (1) the NE corner at Westchester and Pershing just west of 6L/24R and north of 6R/24L, (2) where the hard stands are near Pershing, north of World Way West, (3) along Pershing south of WWW where the Delta maintenance is, (4) just west of 7R/25L along Imperial, (5) all the land south of that runway and north of Imperial Hwy and similarly (6) the land north of 6L/24R and south of Westchester Parkway.

        Any of these seem preferable to acquiring tons of lots through the open market or eminent domain then paving over half of what’s left of Westchester and shoving more people through the busy front door.

        A new terminal on the West side of LAX proper could serve the TBIT West gates and TBIT itself (like ATL did with the new intl terminal), eliminating the need to bus pxs a long way from the already overcrowded terminals to the TBIT West gates, opening up more availability in those terminals and reducing the number of vehicles that flow through the bottleneck caused by jamming every single person, car, truck, train and taxi through a single entrance and exit to the horseshoe at Sepulveda.

        Or does this just make too much sense?!

        1. Brett Avatar

          Bill – I don’t think there’s enough room and runway clearance for any of those places to work. But let’s say it did, you still have big problems. Access to the western side of the airport would be a real chokepoint. On top of that, Metro and parking would still be on the other side, so now you get an even more complex situation. Having the conrac next to the 405 is actually perfect, because it keeps all those cars off the city streets.

          1. Bill from DC Avatar
            Bill from DC

            yeah I probably got a little crazy with the maps. Great point about the CONRAC being right on the 405. It’s just so crazy to drive on the west side of LAX and it’s so desolate!

            What would you think about a small terminal for the TBIT West gates / TBIT overflow on the West side off Imperial?

            Since there’s literally no direct access to TBIT West gates. There’s no room at the inn in the TBIT headhouse. All of the other terminals are overcrowded and they aren’t building T0 or T9 anytime soon.

            PS thanks for actually considering my moderately insane geographic ramblings…

            1. Brett Avatar

              Bill – I thought that the settlement with surrounding neighborhoods required all terminal building to be done in the central terminal area. I’m not sure how far that extends, but I am positive that any attempt to route traffic to the other side would make the communities very, very angry.

    2. David M Avatar

      The trick is the K Line. The southern end of that line’s construction is a wye at the C (Green) line tracks. When the Aviation/Century metro station opened, the C line was rerouted to turn north to terminate there. The C line extended to LAX/Metro Transit Center once that station opened. The K line took over the western segment of the C line past the wye to Redondo Beach.

  19. XJT DX Avatar
    XJT DX

    Considering LAX (and most other major airports) have had some form of upgrade/renovation/expansion for decades on end, why are they still farming out to contractors rather than having their own LAWA-employed team?

  20. DesertGhost Avatar
    DesertGhost

    A bit late to the commentary game, but it seems to me that a lot of the delays in capital projects at all government levels stem from the same basic problem. It’s hard to get a number of people with strong views to agree about anything. And the requirements for public input complicate the process. Whether it’s a transit line or air traffic control system upgrades, it takes forever to come to a decision because virtually all government projects involve compromises and trade-offs. Compromise is difficult. The old line is that you’ll know you have a good compromise because no one likes it.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      True but sometimes when nobody likes something it’s because it legitimately sucks!

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