Cincinnati and the Ghosts of Comair


If Memphis was Northwest’s way of getting geographically beyond its core hubs, Cincinnati did the same thing for Delta but in reverse. Delta was already strong in the south with the impenetrable Atlanta hub, but Cincinnati gave the airline a place further north. After the Northwest merger gave Delta the Minneapolis/St Paul and Detroit hubs, Delta’s second-largest hub in Cincinnati was doomed. It had farther to fall than most.

For some reason, I find Cincinnati’s entire terminal plan to be just about the most confusing thing around. I believe the original Terminal A was knocked down at some point, but best I can tell, by the time the 1980s came around, there were three separate terminals called B, C, and D.

Delta built up its hub there largely on the back of regional carrier Comair which became a key partner. Comair was also the first operator of the CRJ regional jet, and it needed a terminal to support its growth. Terminals B and C were renamed Terminals 1 and 2. Those were for all the other airlines. Then Terminal D was demolished and a new Terminal 3 was built for Delta and Comair on top of it.

Terminal 3 was huge. It was connected by underground walkway to new concourses A and B. Then a new concourse C was built to the west that required a shuttle that was the home of the regional jets. In 2005, the airport had over 600 daily departures and more than 16 million departing seats. Almost all of those were flying for Delta. But then Delta filed for bankruptcy, and the hub began to fall apart.

In 2006, there were fewer than 450 daily departures, and Terminal 1 was closed. By 2008, traffic had dropped enough that Concourse C was shuttered. And in 2010, Delta closed Concourse A and moved it entire operation into Concourse B alone. In 2012, the airport made the wise move to close Terminal 2 and move all those airlines into the abandoned Concourse A in Terminal 3. By the time 2014 rolled around, the airport had just over 130 daily departures with a mere 3.5 million departing seats. That is absolutely heartbreaking for any airport to endure.

With too much closed infrastructure sitting around, it was time to clean things up.

In 2016, Concourse C was razed, and you wouldn’t know it ever existed. The same fate was in store for Terminals 1 and 2 in 2017. The only remaining terminal and its two remaining concourses were renovated, and a new rental car center was buillt on top of where the old terminals used to exist.

The last few years post-pandemic have seen Cincinnati fall into a roughly 125 daily flight pattern with over 5 million annual departing seats. It is a shell of its former existence, but it’s one that now entirely serves the local market. No airport has fallen harder than this one, and I can’t imagine it has been an easy road for anyone in the region.

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50 responses to “Cincinnati and the Ghosts of Comair”

  1. Matt D Avatar
    Matt D

    The MEM hub goes back to the pre Republic days when Southern had a hub there.

    Others were when airlines were building up anywhere and everywhere-where market share mattered more than profitability. Size for the sake of size. You are pretty well versed on how that usually turns out. But I guess history is repeating at ORD, where hubris appears to be what’s behind the thought process at United, not rational thought.

    Other hubs that have come and gone include America West at nearby CMH. TWA took a swing at ATL (and quickly left with its tail between its legs), American tried-and failed-twice with SJC via acquisitions. Continental had a hub for about five minutes at GSO.

    United and Delta can’t seem to make up their mind with LAX. Both have had on and off huge ops there. Then they tore it down. Then tried rebuilding. Again, short term circumstances seem to be the driving force in making long term decisions.

    Speaking of Delta, so how about that decent sized hub at DFW for quite awhile before getting chAAsed off?

    COS had Western Pacific. I think it was a good idea, just about 20 years ahead of its time. No one that I’m aware of has since bothered coming back there. I loved that airline.

    RNO of course had Reno Air.

    But my favorite from the absurdity point of view had to be Access Air. I don’t know if you ever heard of them, but look them up if you haven’t. See if you can top their choice of dual hubs-one at DSM and the other at CID.

    Good stuff. You know if I see any mention of anything historical, Imma gonna jump in.

    1. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
      Angry Bob Crandall

      Wasn’t SJC a hub for QQ when AA acquired them?

      1. cactusneedle Avatar
        cactusneedle

        Yes it was, flew Reno Air often when SJC was my home airport and was flying every week to LAX for a year. I still remember the route map in the monthly seatback magazine showing the twin hubs SJC and RNO.

      2. southbay flier Avatar
        southbay flier

        AA had a hub in SJC prior to acquiring QQ, but got decided to get rid of that hub. IIRC, Terminal A was originally built for AA. AA decided to dehub SJC twice.

    2. JT8D Avatar
      JT8D

      I have a recollection of flying nonstop CVG-ANC one time. That hub was really a big deal at its height, but it was a bit like PIT – way oversized relative to the O&D market. Once DTW was in the Delta system CVG’s future was foreordained.

      But you want to go deep? Old freight hubs. Emery (then, briefly, UPS once UPS bought the remains of Emery) at Dayton, Airborne at Wilmington (a ghost still exists in the operation Amazon still apparently has there, notwithstanding their CVG operation down the road), DHL at CVG (still there), Purolator at CMH then Indy, CF Air Freight at Indy (consolidated into Dayton when they bought Emery). Bax Global at Toledo. The USPS had a hub at Indy that was overseen by Emery though I think largely flown by outfits like Ryan.

      Kitty Hawk/American International had a hub at Fort Wayne(?) and/or maybe Terre Haute? I think it moved at one time.

      Lots of crummy third tier airlines flying old 727s, DC-9s, DC-8s, etc. ATI is a survivor of that era, and so is ABX Air. So is Kalitta.

      Connie Kalitta converted L1011s into freighters at Oscoda – also a DC-8-62 into a combi. As I recall, Kitty Hawk was dumb enough to buy him out. I think he later bought most of it back at pennies on the dollar.

      1. LT_DT Avatar
        LT_DT

        My older co-workers used to talk about non-stops from Dayton to LAX on Piedmont with “champagne service”. Dayton and the airport are definitely non longer what they used to be.

  2. Uncle Procter Avatar
    Uncle Procter

    I was a regular CVG flyer 2004-2010.

    Terminal 1 was a fascinating ghost town at the end with only 2 gates occupied by US Airways CRJs to PHL and CLT. There were remants of Northwest/KLM branding from before NW joined Skyteam and moved to T3 and a shuttered second floor with US Air branding dating back to their 80s logo.

    Terminal 2 was a brutal dark design with low slung windows and only kiosks for concessions. It was occupied by United and American at the end – mainly RJs with an occassional 737 to ORD.

    T3 Concourse C felt like a Greyhound bus station. By the time I was flying there, the few widebodies were all Delta 763s and a lone AF 343. I understand the cargo apron allows for some more interesting spotting these days.

  3. JT8D Avatar
    JT8D

    CVG’s become a large cargo hub, of course, so it’s not all bad news, though it’s unclear how committed Amazon is to the hub. If Google is to be believed, it was designed for 200 daily flights but is only at about 50-60.

    It’s also unclear whether the Amazon system is best served by a single gigantic hub, given Amazon’s decision to split its inventory/delivery systems into regions. The cheapest way for Amazon to serve its customers is via clever inventory placement plus ground delivery. Every time Amazon delivers something by air, it’s an opportunity for it to, next time, figure out how to do it by ground (not always possible – good luck delivering to Hawaii from California by truck). To the extent they get better at that, air cargo demand goes down as a proportion of total deliveries. So far as I can tell, number of total Amazon deliveries keeps going up, but air network activity seems to have levelled off.

    Presumably this is why they’ve been seeking third party air cargo business (as opposed to third party seller business that already dominates the Amazon marketplace).

    1. Mr Eric Avatar
      Mr Eric

      One small correction here. The biggest reason Amazon split its inventory into a more regional focus has to do with customer demand for same say or next day receipt of products. Impossible to do that via one gigantic hub.

      A secondary reason / obstacle would be the size of the fulfillment center required to accommodate a one hub type of operation. Even if the infrastructure was possible, It would carry considerable risk by putting all your inventory in one FC.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        That correction is the point I was trying to make. Once you go to regional inventory/delivery systems, a single giganto-hub becomes somewhat superfluous. If that wasn’t sufficiently clear to you, I apologize. Shifting to such systems presumably means committing to stocking more things in the inventory “long tail” in each region. On the one hand, cost of inventory goes up. On the other hand, reduced costs of delivery.

        Google says that as of a year ago, Amazon had about 350 “primary” FCs in the US (whatever primary means).

        Quite apart from adopting a regional approach, theoretically, all other things equal, the need for air delivery goes down with the opening of every FC, because, on average, average distance from inventory to customer is reduced.

        The history of delivery services also has a lot of examples where air delivery was over-indexed, only to be scaled back – customers realizing that for many/most deliveries the important thing was time-definite, not “overnight” per se. And then what follows is delivery services realizing that they could actually accomplish many deliveries by ground, rather than by air – and every time you shift a delivery from air to ground its money in your pocket.

        So it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Amazon also overindexed air and then pulled back, at least proportionately. Amazon very much has (or had) a “not invented here” attitude – they like figuring things out for themselves. Would not surprise me if this was another lesson they learned for themselves.

        1. Eric R Avatar
          Eric R

          The point I am making is the driver behind the change in Amazon’s model was not cost, but a customer demand of wanting products sooner. Your original post was about Amazon trying to find a cheaper way to deliver products to customers.

          Air will always be required because most products come to Amazon FC’s from the West Coast. Shipping by ocean vessel is by far the cheapest mode of shipping products, and most products come from Asia. Once the product is in the U.S., the product still has to be flown to the regional FC’s. No way around this.

          Also, Amazon always has and always will deliver products to customers by truck (the drone program appears shelved for now). The difference now is with a more regional FC focus, the flying is done earlier in the supply chain process rather than later so customers can receive their products in “real time”.

          1. JT8D Avatar
            JT8D

            You can speed up delivery without going to a regional model – presumably the regional model was chosen because it’s the cheapest way to accomplish that goal. I assume you don’t think it’s a more expensive way of accomplishing that goal? That would not make any sense, right?

            ??? Pretty sure that all but non-routine inbound happens by truck and rail, except perhaps for small highly valuable items.

            I know, at times, during e.g. peak, Amazon has taken materiel straight off boats and put them in the nearest FC to get it into the system and ensure customer satisfaction. I assume there are cases where they’ll take a pallet of out-of-stock stuff that’s right off the boat and throw it on an airplane to get it to an east coast FC to accomplish much the same.

            But I seriously doubt there’s high volume routine inbound by air. If you have a reference that shows otherwise, do tell.

    2. Kilroy Avatar
      Kilroy

      That’s also what FedEx & UPS are doing with their networks, driving as much to ground as possible. Even “air” shipments that shippers are paying premiums for may be going 100% via trucks if the carrier can deliver them (mostly) on time that way; shippers usually don’t care whether boxes move via air or ground, so long as they (mostly) arrive on time.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        Correct. Time definite is the value-add.

  4. Brevardflyer Avatar
    Brevardflyer

    I flew from BWI to CVG on DL at the height of that hub. Because I’d be in Cincinnati for two weeks to attend a class I checked a bag. As an indication of how little O&D traffic there was, mine was the only luggage put on the carousel at baggage claim.

  5. Eric A Avatar
    Eric A

    I was MEM based a few times during my red tail days and there were ghosts of SO all over the place. Several jetbridge controls were placard ed with the ‘wigley worms” and ramp level hallways and offices were in the blue and white.

    As a kiddo avgeek the early to.mid 80s were peak excitement. A retired marketing manager told me CVG, SDF & CMH were neck & neck. KY threw tax incentives so it tilted to CVG & SDF. The final shipping point was that CVG had bonds issued and a shovel ready building plan that SDF did not. Coupled with a pre-existing operations footprint in the area with a reservation center and key corporate contracts, CVG won the title.

    My nomination for the craziest insta hub project is Piedmont in Dayton. To go from a station that they have never served too a 100 something plus departure Hub complete with crew base and maintenance facility kind of Bonkers.

    1. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      I connected at the Dayton hub a couple of times and loved it – easiest connection ever. I have no idea what kind of sense it made from a network-building perspective, but from a customer perspective it was awesome.

      1. JT8D Avatar
        JT8D

        It made no sense at all. But it was the “let a thousand hubs bloom” era – Piedmont also had a hub at Syracuse (inherited when it bought Empire) and that made little sense either. Empire flew Fokker F28 jets on incredibly short legs like ITH-SYR.

        Few industries are as susceptible to me-too thinking (hubs good – more hubs better!) as the airlines. I think it’s an indication of very little actual understanding of their own business, so monkey-see, monkey-do. You see it recently with six US ULCCs who either do low frequency full time or part time. When Allegiant first did it in the US 20+ years ago it was ground-breaking. Now the people who run these airlines can’t see outside that box.

        It was the same era when people pushed the concept of a “wayport” – giant hub in the middle of nowhere. Turns out that hubs work far better when anchored by O&D. Duh.

        1. CraigTPA Avatar
          CraigTPA

          I think of that “wayport” idea every time I see someone start gushing about “aerotropolises” – yeah, not gonna hold my breath on those. (Although in fairness, the idea comes up a lot less often lately.)

  6. See_Bee Avatar
    See_Bee

    DL’s CVG-CDG flight is still going strong (for now)! Cargo demand keeps it flying beyond seasonal tourism to EU

    1. Brevardflyer Avatar
      Brevardflyer

      AA has a couple like this as well. They still fly RDU to LHR because of (I’m told) guaranteed seat purchases by one of the big pharmaceutical companies that has a US HQ in the “Research Triangle” and a World Headquarters outside London. My experience with it is that it’s often a great opportunity to stretch out across an entire row of coach seats to sleep on the eastbound flight. And then there’s AA LAX to MCO flights, known around Orlando as the “Mouse Taxi” providing Disney a nonstop connection between its California and Florida operations.

      1. Mike (don't fly much) Avatar
        Mike (don’t fly much)

        I believe UA still has a nonstop between CLE and LHR but that may be gone by now.

        Of course those of us in DC get the much discussed “politics routes” too. Delta has no hub or focus at DCA yet duplicates AAs daily nonstops to Madison WI, Lexington KY, and Omaha Nebraska all for political reasons

        1. Jason Avatar
          Jason

          ha!! United/Continental hasnt flown from CLE to LHR since 2011 or 2012.

          1. Mike (dontflymuch) Avatar
            Mike (dontflymuch)

            Yikes youre right. But United still has a nonstop from Cleveland to Cancun, so thats something

        2. Kevo Avatar
          Kevo

          Those “Delta” flights between DCA and MSN, LEX, OMA (and others) are actually slots owned by Republic that they acquired during the Delta/US Airways slot swap years ago. Republic flew them under the Frontier brand, but retained them when they sold Frontier off. Since then, they’ve been flying them under the Delta brand.

          1. Mike (dontflymuch) Avatar
            Mike (dontflymuch)

            Oh hey, learn something new every day! I cant imagine Delta objects to having that footprint there though

          2. Kevin Avatar
            Kevin

            …and long before that, NW flew MSNDCA (via it’s Airlink partners). AA has only recently begun flying the route.

        3. LEX Flier Avatar
          LEX Flier

          There is no duplication with AA on the LEX-DCA route. That route is a slot-exempt route granted originally to Comair in 2004 as a part of The Vision 100 Century of Aviation Act (2003); that act granted 12 additional “beyond perimeter” slot exemptions and 8 additional “within perimeter” slot exemptions at DCA to previous exemptions granted in the 2000 WENDELL H FORD Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the 21st Century (AIR-21) — initially sponsored by Ford, a 24-year Kentucky senator, and named for him after his retirement from the Senate in 1999. By law, the exemption granted to Comair (and passed down to Delta) must be used for a flight to either Lexington KY or Jackson MS. Delta cannot use it for another route. If Delta no longer wants to run the LEX flight, it must launch JAN-DCA service (unlikely because AA received a reallocated AIR-21 slot exemption for JAN-DCA service in 2012) or return the exemption to the government to be reallocated “to the best qualified applicants.”

          1. Mike (dontflymuch) Avatar
            Mike (dontflymuch)

            Ah cool. I still say it’s politics related in a way that doesnt happen anywhere else (mayyybee LGA), but it does partially explain the extreme times those LEX/DCA flights are scheduled

    2. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      I’d always wondered how that flight made sense, didn’t know about the cargo. Doesn’t seem that there would even be enough demand to justify it seasonally for the tourists going to Europe instead of letting them connect somewhere.

      Is there a similar business/cargo related reason why CVG has BA to LHR instead of LGW? Both MCO and TPA have their main service on BA to London go over LGW (MCO has seasonal LHR too, but year-round is LGW) and the reason given is that the passenger load is mainly tourists and for the ones not visiting the UK itself the tourist connections at LGW are better, LHR is more business-oriented.

      1. dx Avatar
        dx

        I would guess it’s because nearly all of the US point of sale wants primary airports like LHR or CDG, regardless of whether they are connecting to elsewhere in Europe or not, so all of the transatlantic JVs are happy to do that for efficiency/simplicity’s sake. Probably also easier to get subsidies in markets like CVG or BNA if you can offer access to the “primary” international airport as well.

      2. Jason Avatar
        Jason

        It’s because this is about people from Cincinnati going to London and across the BA Europe/middle east/ africa/ india network at LHR. LGW doesnt have a network like that.

        LGW is primarily just people going to and from London. While there are some flights to and from Europe on BA from LGW, they’re not desinged for connections to/ from north america. They’re designed for the local London market. BA does not have a hub structure at LGW like it does at LHR, and you need the hub structure to make a spoke market like CVG work. You dont need it to make MCO and TPA from London work – that’s majority London-based o/d traffic.

        There simply are not enough people to fill a plane to and from Cincinnati like that. Flights to Cincinnati need the feed of the LHR hub.

        Whereas MCO and TPA are primarily people from London going to and from those points in Florida. They do not need the hub at LHR to feed those flights.

      3. Tim Dunn Avatar
        Tim Dunn

        Cargo on CVG-CDG includes engine parts between Safran and GE plants

  7. Mike (dontflymuch) Avatar
    Mike (dontflymuch)

    Brett Ive thoroughly enjoyed this series! Its so fascinating how quickly the nature of flying changed in 20 years. I think theres a few more we still get, certainly MKE and the two Missouri airports (although MCI has been written about alot) and maybe RDU if you consider that the Midwest enough?

    I’d also love something at some point on which unlikely airports thrived when others didnt, like Detroit and Nashville

  8. Eric R Avatar
    Eric R

    I know this is a CVG thread, but there was a great YouTube video on STL’s new terminal construction project.

    https://youtu.be/MHJHOzPXdfc?si=PUgOYeb1FQ0Oor5f

  9. John G Avatar
    John G

    Coincidence: I’m reading this post at Gate B28 at…CVG.

    At least the terminal changes mean you don’t have to ride a rent car bus (I hate them).

    It’s not a terrible layout now. Too much empty space in the concourses, too many gates still, but not terrible.

    Memphis did their concourse update much better, but this isn’t bad.

    I really disliked the CVG hub anyway. Large majority of the flights were 50 seaters, bus to the plane. Uncomfortable planes, buses to get to them, VERY high fares. Nah.

    1. FrequentWanderer Avatar
      FrequentWanderer

      The only flyers out of the CVG hub were OPM business travelers. Anyone on a budget drove to DAY or LEX (depending on where you lived relative to CVG), parked for cheaper, then flew 15 min in the air back to CVG and connected to their final destination. It’s just how it was done. DL routinely charged a $400+ roundtrip nonstop premium for those CVG originators- buying 2 or more tickets and that really added up!

  10. Kilroy Avatar
    Kilroy

    It’s been over a decade since I flew out of a CVG regularly, but they had one of the best airport parking setups that I’ve ever seen for a lot that required a shuttle to the terminal.

    You’d pull up to the entrance of the lot and an employee with a radio would direct you towards the nearest open space (identified by the shuttle driver). By the time you parked and got your suitcase out, the shuttle would be a few steps away and the shuttle driver would hand you a ticket stub with the location (aisle # etc) that you parked in, then pick up another passenger or two and drop you off at the curb at the terminal. Upon returning, you’d hand your stub to the shuttle driver as you got on the shuttle at the curb. The shuttle driver would quickly review the locations of everyone’s cars and figure out the most efficient route to drop off pax by their cars in the lot, while also radioing in the locations of empty spaces to the person at the front gate to the parking lot.

    From an operations and a process standpoint, it was absolutely brilliant for a large parking lot, and all it took was the addition of a person at the entrance to the parking lot, a few radios, and some simple training, so it couldn’t have been super expensive to execute. I miss that economy parking lot and would pay a premium to use something similar.

  11. Bob V Avatar
    Bob V

    My only passenger flights on MD-11 were CVG-PDX-CVG on Delta. They served Omaha steaks in coach as a promotion. Really nice ride. I recall the aircraft passenger load being very light. I flew out of CVG quite a bit in 1998-2001. Flew a 767-300ER to DFW once. They also had a daily MD-90 flight out of Atlanta which I rode on quite a bit. Lastly, Delta flew a 727 from CVG-SEA.

  12. Tim Dunn Avatar
    Tim Dunn

    CVG is the poster child of how well does at hub building and how quickly it can take it all apart when the economics don’t work any longer.

    Comair’s innovation and reliance on CRJs was a big part of why DL saw an opportunity in CVG but DL execs said years later that 50 seat to 50 seat RJ connections were largely not profitable – and that was a huge part of DL’s business. They also operated alot of short flights throughout the Ohio Valley which had no local demand.

    The reason for taking down CVG and MEM are the same – overreliance on 50 seat RJs and much stronger and larger hubs that came by putting together the DL and NW networks. DL’s first mover advantage with the DL-NW merger was getting a partner that could give it a network where it had the greatest potential to dominate local markets which it has used to grow into new hubs as no other legacy carrier has done.

    1. Anthony Avatar
      Anthony

      Delta builds a hub = Master Class!
      Delta closes a hub = Master Class!
      Comair operating 50 seaters = Opportunity for Delta!
      Delta getting rid of 50 seaters = Master Class!

  13. LT_DT Avatar
    LT_DT

    My first visit to CVG was a day trip from Atlanta in 1998 on Delta. I flew up on an L1011 (my next-to-last L1011 flight) and flew back on a Comair CRJ (my first ever CRJ flight).

    We ended up living in SW Ohio from 1999-2009. My wife worked in Cincinnati for part of that period and traveled twice a month for work. She logged a ton of Comair miles. For leisure travel, we would often drive to DAY because DAY-CVG-XXX options were usually significantly cheaper than the CVG-XXX non-stop options.

    I still go up there periodically and CVG is one of my favorite airports in the US – uncrowded terminals with good food options, rental cars in a deck attached to the terminal, and they can handle snow. I’ve also found their TSA staff (and most staff there) to be very friendly and easygoing.

    Cincinnati still has some pretty big companies headquartered/based there; P&G, Kroger, GE Aero are the ones that immediately come to mind. I suspect that P&G and GE Aero drive the remaining CVG-CDG flights.

    1. Kilroy Avatar
      Kilroy

      I lived in the Cincy area a few years after you did and people had plenty of stories about driving to DAY for flights hubbing through CVG, though that had ended by the time I moved to the area.

      In terms of door to door time, the northern suburbs (Blue Ash and points north) are pretty similar for CVG vs DAY, and that’s where many people live & work for some of the corporate jobs in the area. I thought about bringing that example up on yesterday’s post, but the new United destinations from ORD are a bit far IMHO for most people want to do something similar (2-3+ hours’ drive vs ~1-1.5 hours).

      1. LT_DT Avatar
        LT_DT

        There were always a ton of Cincy folks on those flights back up to Dayton. As I recall, the flights to/from CVG always left from the same gate. Once those flights ended, the gate stopped being used and I think it’s now a Starbucks. It was in a little alcove before the escalators to the main part of the concourse. For a while, those flights were operated by DO328s. I had a couple of trips in those but I don’t think they lasted very long.

        The Dayton suburbs continue to expand south to the point that CVG is not that much further than DAY, which is north of the city (although Cincy traffic can lengthen the drive considerably).

  14. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    I first flew through CVG in 1996 going IND-CVG-JAX. I remember it being much nicer than DTW and was surprised that Delta would keep the dumpy DTW as a hub over a decent CVG until I realized there was a new terminal at DTW. I never understood why A and B were connected to the terminal by train, but you needed to take a bus to C and I didn’t like C very much. It was crowded and you were stuck flying Comair, which was not a good airline IMO.

    Last time I flew through CVG and I visited the Sky Club, it felt like an old Crown Room.

    1. FrequentWanderer Avatar
      FrequentWanderer

      And there are stories of people being stuck overnight in C during snowstorms when all the bus drivers couldn’t make it into work (to drive the shuttle between C ans the main terminal) until the roads were cleared in the morning.

      C was horrible by modern standards, but when it opened in the early 90s it was a revolutionary way to deal with 30-50 seat regional aircraft that kept passengers protected from the weather almost the whole time but used a small amount of square footage. Efficient design but not elegant

  15. John G Avatar
    John G

    Pulled some data on CVG, and it’s interesting.

    Weekly departures (next week):

    G4 47 deps 8,268 seats
    F9 62 deps 12,594 seats
    MX 2 deps, 274 seats

    ULCC 111 weekly deps, 21,136 seats

    WN 38 deps, 6,118 seats
    AA 193 deps, 18,701 seats
    UA 111 flights, 10,432 seats
    DL 298 flights, 34,420 seats
    Others 17 flights, 2,593 seats

    Total 768 weekly flights, 93,400 seats

    DL still has more than a third of the traffic, but ULCCs have almo thatst a quarter of the available seats out of CVG. Seems really high for a larger metro area that isn’t a tourist draw in itself. Guess they found an opportunity.

    1. LT_DT Avatar
      LT_DT

      By virtue of its geography, CVG captures SW Ohio, southern Indiana, and northern Kentucky. Lots of cold weather there and lots of leisure demand for sun and surf. Many of my Ohio co-workers and friends had childhood memories of long drives down I-75 to get to Florida.

  16. mike Avatar
    mike

    At least there is no waiting in line to enter the Sky Club.

  17. W Scott Moyer Avatar
    W Scott Moyer

    Fall 2000, I flew DL to a friend’s wedding in New Orleans. The routing was PHL-CVG-DFW-MSY. Crazy–not sure why it wasn’t connecting at ATL. Then in the same timeframe I was flying DL (or TWA? Can’t remember) to MCO from PHL through CVG. The PHL-CVG leg got canceled and they put me on PHL-JFK. Then JFK-MCO in 1st class. Crazy times flying (or trying to fly) through CVG. Now it’s all AA at PHL (direct flights) but good memories of how the hubs used to work.

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