Cleveland’s Wild Airport Terminal Plan


After writing up Pittsburgh’s new terminal, I decided it would be fun to look at other former hubs to see just how they’ve been handled. None is stranger than Cleveland’s plan called CLEvolution. Many of you discussed this in the comments of that Pittsburgh post, but I couldn’t quite appreciate what was going on until I dug in further.

It would be too easy to start with just how awkward the name is. Are we supposed to call it Cl-eh-volution like revolution? But no matter, that’s just a gimmick anyway. The meat of the current plan is called Phase I, and that’s a good thing because it’s a really weird place to end up if it were to be the entire thing. The problem is, I’m not convinced there will be another phase after this nearly-10-year odyssey. This phase alone is going to cost $1.6 billion and go until 2032. It has yet to be fully funded.

Phase I has a whole lot of sub-phases, so let’s get started. Here is Cleveland Hopkins International Airport:

As you can see, there are three concourses connected to the main headhouse. That’s A up top which is also where international flights arrive, B in the middle, and Continental’s hub home in C at the bottom with the weird half-semi-circle at the end. Then, to the right of C is the remote concourse D which was built for Continental Express regional jets in 1999. It made it 15 years before being shut down, meaning it’s been gone for more than a decade.

As you can see, the terminal is fairly tightly-packed, and they don’t want to build a new one on a site elsewhere on the grounds, so they need to slowly but surely move things around in a way that keeps the place functioning. Step 1 is to move longer-term parking.

The current Orange Lot will see spots increase by 50 percent when they move to the footprint of Concourse D. They aren’t even getting rid of the concourse, but rather, they’re just striping a lot in between the piers and building a walkway across the roadways. If you’ve ever wished your car was more like a Beech 1900, here’s your chance to park like one.

Once the new Gold Lot is open, the Orange Lot will be razed, and that’s when the next step happens.

Under they Orange Lot they will relocate the transit station, and then on top they’ll build a big parking garage. That garage will replace the so-called Smart Garage which is the closest to the current terminal today. When that one opens, they can knock down the old garage and get ready for the next step where they will build the new terminal headhouse.

This new terminal will be built on top of the old garage site, but that obviously puts it pretty far from the gates, so they will build all of these connectors to get to the gates from the new building, bypassing the current headhouse. When it’s all built, they can demolish the old headhouse.

With the old headhouse gone, you would think we could finally fix the gates, right? Uh, no. Instead, the connectors will be slightly streamlined, but this is where we’ll be in 2032.

And that’s it! Seriously. What about the concourses? Well, they do say this in the press release:

Decisions will be made later regarding the extent of improvements to the airside of the terminal campus, after execution has begun on the landside phase. Phase one includes the most critical components of the project due to the strain on the Airport’s landside infrastructure and facilities.

So, after spending $1.6 billion, you’ll get longer walks and one weird layout. But there will be a more functional headhouse that can support local traffic better.

I can’t imagine all of these gates are likely to be necessary, but there is no plan to shut down one concourse or anything like that. It seems obvious that they will need to build a new, more compact airside, but it’s so far down the line that it’s hard to know for sure what gets approved, if anything.

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95 responses to “Cleveland’s Wild Airport Terminal Plan”

  1. fortescue Avatar
    fortescue

    Among CLE’s problems or challenges are its dated concourses, each with its own unique set of problems. Let’s start with C. The largest. It was expanded and designed to support a hub that has been gone for over a decade. It has low ceilings, is relatively narrow, and frankly, could house all of the airport’s flight operations singularly under its roof. It probably though holds the best bones of the 3 to be converted into something better and bring it up to date with how modern air travel runs. B is old, small, and can’t easily be expanded. A is both too large and too small to be anything more than it is today, and holds the airport’s FIS, which will never be a busy place.

    A larger, more modern head house makes sense, but the airport needs better concourses too and for an airport of its size, the rental car facility doesn’t need to be a few miles off campus.

    When you look at these designs (past, present, and now future) you can easily understand why the US has poor infrastructure, spends ridiculous sums of money on white elephant projects when it comes to making improvements, and why the country’s overall look and feel when it comes to transportation hubs and facilities gives it the look of an underdeveloped, under-invested place.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      Fortunately the plan includes bringing the rental cars back into the new garage connected to the landside.

      1. Chris Avatar
        Chris

        I’m cool with spending $1.6B just for that. That bus ride is one of the worst in the US.

        1. Bill from DC Avatar
          Bill from DC

          Lol amen! That was the worst idea ever.

    2. pinetree51 Avatar
      pinetree51

      What will Sunday traffic look like with a Browns game and Sunday being the busiest day of the week at the nearby airport?

      1. Dale Ballok Avatar
        Dale Ballok

        That traffic can’t get much worse than it ready is! What about in the early fall, right now, when the Guardians and Browns have a game on the same day?

    3. Nate Ogden Avatar
      Nate Ogden

      This isn’t a US problem, we have tons of great little and midsize airports. This is a Cleveland problem and the people that run it. I can’t make a worse airport for its size but can think of a half dozen I enjoy flying into.

  2. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Can dont stop here though Brett, whats going on in Memphis and Covington?

    1. Jordan Avatar
      Jordan

      Yes! Please talk about Memphis. It’s status as a former Northwest hub, how they’ve gone from 3 concourses down to 1. And make sure you cover the uniquely Memphis rubber moving walkway that has a soothing bounce to it.

    2. Brett Avatar

      Oh don’t you worry, I have more planned!

    3. DL Avatar
      DL

      I think CVG is pretty stable. They’ve created a new rental car facility connected to the terminal in the area of the two old concourses. I had heard at one time that the plan was to close concourse B and expand A, but haven’t heard anymore about that. Get rid of Dunkin and bring the Starbucks back and they’d be in a good spot.

  3. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    That’s sure a real big Steamer of all Airport rebuilds! Good Job Cleveland living up to your expectations!

    1. stormcrash Avatar
      stormcrash

      Fun times in Cleveland again! New Cleveland! Welcome to New Cleveland town everyone! Under construction since 1868!”

  4. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
    Angry Bob Crandall

    And people get paid to design these monstrosities? Common sense would dictate one long terminal.

    1. Paul Avatar
      Paul

      Huh? There is one big rectangular terminal headhouse in the plan. No plans for the existing concourses has been released yet.

    2. Dale Avatar
      Dale

      Ok, “Mr Airport Designer”! Thx for your “opinion”!

  5. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    While I like living in NE Ohio one of the downsides is flying in and out of CLE. It really is one of the worst airports in the country. The rental car facility is WAY off site and isn’t even that nice. They didn’t just stick it visitors renting cars though. All of the hotel and off site parking shuttles are at the far north end of the terminal making it inconvenient at best and a nightmare if you have mobility issues or kids (I don’t have either) as it is a LONG walk through baggage claim to get to the escalator that has been broken and out of service for several months. You now have to walk even further to the elevator. The one good thing in the new plan is they do plan to move the rental car facility and “transportation hub” for shuttles to the new parking garage which will improve things a little bit. The sad thing is will still have long walks to the gates so even if there are decent restaurants and amenities in the new head house most people won’t use them because they will want to be closer to their gate.

    1. Roland Gregg Avatar
      Roland Gregg

      I think Burke Lakefront should be used as an airport. It could supplement CLE while under construction and allow for more modern design as well as provide for needs for the area after the city finally comes out of its growth doldrums. Columbus is now a growing city, but already has 2 international airports.

      1. Paul Avatar
        Paul

        BKL no longer has any airline infrastructure (check-in counters, security checkpoints, baggage carousels, etc.) and has only five very small gates, none of which is currently in service. How much capacity would BKL actually add? Which airlines would fly from BKL and who would decide such a temporary move? I don’t think this is a practical or very helpful option.

      2. Dale Avatar
        Dale

        Burke IS an airport!

    2. Matt Avatar
      Matt

      What do you like about living in NE OH?

    3. Robert Kessler Avatar
      Robert Kessler

      If you want to talk about long walks, CMH in Columbus is ridiculous. I haven’t seen the plans for the already underway renovation but last time I was there there didn’t seem to be anywhere enough parking. The terminal though is way better than CLE. High cerilings, bright and modern in appearance.

    4. Alex H Avatar
      Alex H

      I went to college in Cleveland back when it was a bustling Continental hub (so a long time ago). I thought quite highly of the airport, even the RJ concourse where I spent a good amount of time. Of course the advantage of having nonstops everywhere was huge. At least for locals the rental car facility doesn’t matter much, but it was a shock the last time I visited.

  6. NedsKid Avatar
    NedsKid

    Please please please can I be there when they destroy the rental car facility…. And that Sheraton? So horrific.

    1. Rob Avatar
      Rob

      The Sheraton is already gone.

  7. Emil Avatar
    Emil

    CF, what’s going on with the STL rebuild? That whole complex should be bulldozed

    1. Grichard Avatar
      Grichard

      Yes. Yes, it should.

      Well, the midcentury architecture of the old headhouse is actually kind of neat. Maybe leave that. As for the rest: fire up the bulldozers.

  8. Jacob Avatar
    Jacob

    I really like this series. You should consider covering STL next—it’s a neat project. Parts of concourse C and D that haven’t been used since the early AA hub days are getting pressed back into (temporary) service after sitting vacant for over 20 years.

    1. TWA Avatar
      TWA

      D was used after the Good Friday tornado (2010 or 2011) including the old Aviator’s Club.

      More interesting is that they will not be consolidating car rental companies when they rebuild the terminal and consolidate to one concourse. Allegedly each of the car rental companies are in separate municipalities so those cities don’t want to give up their tax revenues. I haven’t seen that confirmed and haven’t had time to verify it, but that would be a very STL situation if correct.

    2. Bobby Avatar
      Bobby

      The biggest problem at STL is how far the Marathon Car Rental lot is from the terminal. The bus doesn’t come very often, and if you miss it, you have to cross a highway and a runway to get back to the terminal.

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        And then they drop you off with keys to a car that doesn’t exist! And then you hike back, only for Edie McClurg to tell you that you’re f***ed!

  9. Kenneth Avatar
    Kenneth

    Still pulling for Southern Airways Express Caravan service between CLE and the CLE rental car center.

    1. See_Bee Avatar
      See_Bee

      Landline perhaps??

    2. Common Sense Avatar
      Common Sense

      Never too late :)

  10. Chauncey Avatar
    Chauncey

    I would nominate PIE to the list. It needs help

    1. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      PIE’s a tiny airport served by one airline (two for a couple of months of the year) with no connecting traffic. The terminal design is very clumsy, but it’s so small the walking distances are minimal. The terminal flow could be improved by gutting the international arrivals area and connecting the two gate areas behind the Sun Country ticketing counter, which would allow for a single TSA screening point and for arrivals at the low-numbered gates to get to baggage claim without having to go through the ticketing area, but the airport apparently wants to keep the option of receiving international charters and possibly getting service to Canada back, although I think the latter is pretty unlikely with the Canadian LCC collapses.

      With Allegiant having other stations to the south (SRQ, PGD) and TPA’s new Airside D coming online in 2027, major redevelopment of PIE is low on Pinellas County’s priority list.

      1. Fish Avatar
        Fish

        PIE is in Pinellas and TPA is in Hillsborough County. Separate jurisdictions

        1. CraigTPA Avatar
          CraigTPA

          I know that. The opening of TPA Airside D is relevant in that it increases the total number of gates in the TPA/PIE catchment area and makes it even less likely that there’s demand for expansion at PIE, just as Allegiant’s recent concentration on expansion at SRQ already has, so it’s a low priority for Pinellas County. The airport runs well (financially) and (last time I checked) has zero debt.

          (For anyone not familiar with the area, TPA and PIE are only 9 miles apart per the Great Circle Mapper, 13 miles driving. The helos from the PIE Coast Guard base fly very low right over my apartment all the time, which is awesome.)

          1. Chris Avatar
            Chris

            When I worked at SRQ we were sometimes treated to the Coast Guard C-130 doing touch and gos, that was always fun when that happened!

  11. tb Avatar
    tb

    Maybe some day in the distant future the US aviation industry will get on board with the rest of the world and maximize common use / hardstand gates. Imagine moving all RJ traffic, regardless of carrier, to the mothballed Concourse D. Remaining “mainline” flights occupy the banjo back to the underground walkway between C and D. Now you have the entirety of Concourses A and B empty and ready to be razed and built into a truly world class facility. There is so much available ramp space that you could bus from anywhere in C or D to a fleet of hardstand gates. Go watch checkin sometime – there is no reason why Southwest, United, and American should occupy nearly so much counter space when the vast majority of their customers bypass the ticket counter entirely. Using common use “desks” you can manage the number of checkin positions to match flight volume and close off the entire northern end of the current “headhouse”. But alas, let’s just do whatever this CLEvolution plan is calling for. We’ll end up with a pretty facade welcoming you to a monument to 1980’s air travel when you finally arrive at your gate.

    1. Mike Avatar
      Mike

      Do you feel like being bussed from the concourse to a hard stand is really a better passenger experience than just using a gate? Also, who’s going to pay for the additional infrastructure required to make the hard stands a reality?

    2. Stormcrash Avatar
      Stormcrash

      Any airline that tries will find passengers givng them the middle finger hard. Here at SEA passengers are already salty enough about being forced to use the Concourse D bus gates, and there the airlines at least have an excuse about how it’s out of their hands due to gate capacity at the airport.

    3. CraigTPA Avatar
      CraigTPA

      Between ours being a litigious society and not wanting to go backward in terms of convenience and comfort, more hard stands is a non-starter in the US. That said, introducing some on a temporary basis at CLE, along with using the D terminal for smaller planes, could be accepted if it allowed A and B to be torn down and replaced with something much better on a tighter timeframe and/or at lower cost.

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        This is what I hope happens in Phase 2, coming our way in the mid 2040s.

  12. Retired Lawyer Avatar
    Retired Lawyer

    Several reasons for not building a new airport facility elsewhere on the grounds:
    1. Much of the land on the back side of CLE is NASA Lewis Research Facility. The remainder is landlocked. I remember the Runway 23L-R expansion that leveled 20-30 blocks of houses north of Brookpark Road and the political furor that went with it.
    2. Relocating both the Rapid and the SR 237 highway connectors would be massively more expensive.

    My personal suggestion would be to do what Hong Kong did – massively expand Burke (BKL) on landfill in Lake Erie into a new commercial facility adjacent to downtown, with light rail connectors to downtown and to the Rapid, and a rebuild of the Shoreway.

    1. Pilotaaron1 Avatar
      Pilotaaron1

      It would be cool if they did that though I don’t think they have the money it would take. The CLE airport layout is a mess. However, as is the theme for Cleveland and bad decisions, they are actually pushing the FAA to close BKL and turn it into “more waterfront”. I really hope they don’t succeed on that one. I love BKL.

      1. Angry Bob Crandall Avatar
        Angry Bob Crandall

        Sounds like what they did to CGX.

        1. Pilotaaron1 Avatar
          Pilotaaron1

          Sure feels like it, sadly.

    2. MNG Avatar
      MNG

      Will the new airport code be CLE or MBL? (Mistake by the Lake)

      1. joseph hotchkiss Avatar
        joseph hotchkiss

        stupid redundant comment

  13. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    This is a totally hairbrained idea and I know there are millions of reasons it wouldn’t work, but I always thought it’d be a fun experiment to revive these dead mid-continent hubs by giving them special status allowing international-to-international connections without exiting security.

    A321XLRs from CLE, PIT, and CVG could reach most of Canada, Europe and Latin America. Give someone like JetBlue a shot (and a bunch of subsidies) to have a couple banks in each direction that can offer KEF style convenience between Europe/Canada/Latin America. The hub infrastructure is already there.

    Its 2025, globalization is the hot new thing, the economy is about to boom, and Europeans love any chance to visit the US right now, right?… right?

    1. Alex H. Avatar
      Alex H.

      Among the many reasons this won’t work, Canadian flights (from the big airports) arrive as domestic anyway, so an international-to-international facility wouldn’t work for them anyway.

      Not to mention the fact that US law prohibits international-to-international connections without clearing US Customs. Some airports (I know DFW Terminal D) in the US in fact *do* have the infrastructure for international-to-international connections but aren’t allowed to use it.

      It’s true that most US airports don’t have the infrastructure and given the volume of domestic flights in the US (plus the enormous volume of international flights on narrowbodies that also do a lot of domestic service) having dedicated international departures areas doesn’t make a lot of logistical sense, but the lack of infrastructure is not the driving reason the US doesn’t operate like this.

  14. TomS Avatar
    TomS

    Concur that STL would be a great look in a series of Midwest airport transformations. A cool aspect is putting the de-icing pad near the runways so that it services those flights going west on one runway and those flights going east on the other runway simultaneously – meaning that upon de-icing planes will be on either runway for takeoff within 1 minute. And the 62 gate one terminal being currently designed would solve a unique issue with STL now. One side the “main” terminal (terminal 1) is desolate and deserted after 7 PM (turn out the lights, except for arriving passengers) and the other side terminal 2 (Southwest) is overflowing most of the day and way into the night (with a bank of Southwest flights at 9:30-10:00 PM) – significantly overcrowded, long restroom lines, restaurants full – 180% opposite of terminal 1. Can’t wait till these terminals get demolished and rebuilt by a HOK design.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      It is very bizarre that the massive airport is mostly empty while what is essentially a grafted on annex is bursting at the seams.

  15. Kilroy Avatar
    Kilroy

    Agree that this should be a regular series.

    If we’re talking about hubs / hub-ish airports, it’s worth pointing out MCI and what they did with the newer terminal that opened a year or two ago. The old terminals at MCI were (still are?) horrendous in terms of gate-side space and amenities, with security checkpoints shoehorned in haphazardly and ~10 yards of space from the beginning of the secure area to the windows facing the gates, without much seating or even standing room, such that going along the terminal meant elbowing past gate lice the whole way. While the newer terminal at Kansas City isn’t extravagant, it’s nice, has more space (including space for food and retail), and doesn’t feel like a “minimize distance from curb to gate” terminal built in the 1970s before airport security was a thing.

    On another note, I love this line: “If you’ve ever wished your car was more like a Beech 1900, here’s your chance to park like one.” That… Almost makes me want to drive 700 miles each way years from now just to fly out of CLE so that I can park there. Almost. :-)

      1. Kilroy Avatar
        Kilroy

        Thanks, Brett. I should have known. I’m sure I read that post but had completely forgotten about it.

  16. Stvr Avatar
    Stvr

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don’t you know that you can count me out

    1. beaglebro Avatar
      beaglebro

      Don’t you know it’s gonna be alright?

  17. Mr Eric Avatar
    Mr Eric

    The final, airside phase “seems” like the easiest.

    Build out one ATL style concourse over portions of the existing terminal space with the two new connectors connecting to each end of the new concourse. I get that its not funded, but probably twhat they are envisioning as the final state.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      I hope this is the case!

  18. Mac Avatar
    Mac

    I’d be curious for a similar report on BWI, maybe even over the past 10 years rather than future plans. I get Southwest has a big operation but the history is interesting. Terminal D was built out for Piedmont/US Air but is now just home for the “cats and dogs” as Brett likes to call it. AirTran (sorry airTran) took over D for a little while until Southwest bought it. But Southwest chose to expand in A/B/C rather than take over D which presumably already had the build for a “hub” (focus city if you must) operation and is much closer to the international terminal. It’d be an interesting read how BWI expansion plans went throughout all of that

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      I agree that it is was very odd to build the all new concourse A while D sat (and sits) relatively empty. My guess is WN strong-armed them into a brand new facility (A) instead of a refurb of an old one (D).

  19. Ernie Rilke Avatar
    Ernie Rilke

    Don’t forget MKE. A dehubbed ghost town in some parts of the airport.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Ernie – See, I was looking at MKE, but it didn’t look that interesting. They just closed off the E gates and now they’re building an international concourse there, right? Is there more to it?

      1. Ernie Rilke Avatar
        Ernie Rilke

        The new Concourse E as you have said is for international flights AND some domestic flights. Yet the number of fights is pretty much stagnant so why keep the C & D concourses? Why not just build 1 concourse? Plus the head house has ben remodeled more times than I can count.

        1. Brett Avatar

          It looks like they just went with the path of least resistance

  20. Dave Avatar
    Dave

    Could really expand the definition of “hub” and do CMH too. Former America West pretend hub. And don’t forget it was the global headquarters for Skybus for its nine months of existence. Brand new terminal opening 2029. Will even be able to accommodate a 747 at a gate for the two 747 flights each year to travel fans to whatever bowl game Ohio State is playing in.

    1. Brett Avatar

      Dave – I actually am looking at CMH with the new terminal. It’s kind of the opposite of IND where they are building the new terminal to have quicker access from the main airport entrance. I might pair those together.

      1. Bill in ATL Avatar
        Bill in ATL

        I think CMH is the largest US airport that still uses tanker trucks to fill planes. They really should build a hydrant system.

  21. Lu Avatar
    Lu

    While it is not a former hub, I would love to throw SAT into the mix of this series. I have read through the masterplan + the multiple court filings regarding Southwest v. the City of San Antonio, and I still have no idea what is actually going to happen with Terminal A and Terminal B.

  22. Trk1 Avatar

    I think the CLE plan is really pretty good. The concourses are not really a problem. The main area to change are the security screening needs more area for one location only. The Customs area must be much larger and the terminal area for concessions is too small. The auto rental needs to be by the terminal. This plan solves all these issues. As a weekly traveler to Hopkins this will work. The concourses are fine that a little paint and TLC can take care of. The utilization of gates from 5:00AM to 9:00AM of with overnights has most gates are maxed out. The rest of the day that is not the case. The C concourse would never be able to hold all airlines as United/American/Alaska/Jet Blue and Air Canada have all gates taken in peak hours.

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      Completely agreed.

  23. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    This is the most sensible option available for CLE given its limited resources and available land (a very different situation than IND, MCI, or PIT, or even CHM). It is certainly better than yet again rebuilding the almost 70-year old headhouse in place, as the Master Plan recommended. This would have caused major operational and passenger experience headaches, much more than those experienced in the modest remodeling done in 2015-16. The major bottlenecks currently are landside, not airside, where there is plenty of capacity. Are the concourses pretty-no, but they are functional and paid for.
    With some TLC and relatively minor investments (like the expanded Central security checkpoint now under construction, recently opened new restrooms in the main terminal, remodeled restrooms throughout the airside, and new jetways for all common-use gates coming in 2026), airside should be able to function for the next decade. Also, CLE is investing a lot in customer service/passenger experience through its Hopkins Hospitality initiative as well as quirky, fun new social media posts. They are also focusing on keeping the place clean by hiring additional housekeeping crew.
    As noted above, I’m sure there are initial thoughts about the next phase of the TMDP that will address airside needs, and those will be eventually shared with the public after gaining buy-in from the airlines that will be footing the bill.
    Despite the longer walks to the concourses, this “CLEvolution” is an elegant and creative solution to the most pressing needs CLE faces today. Once the new headhouse is completed, there will be lots of room to do something creative airside in the space freed up when the current terminal is torn down, including some major reconfiguration of the concourses. Stay tuned!
    If you haven’t seen this yet, here is a cool video illustrating the complex phasing of the project.

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    You can find the program timeline here: https://itsaclevolution.com/

    1. Bill from DC Avatar
      Bill from DC

      I agree Paul. It’s very difficult to build something brand new within an existing footprint but, by doing so, they will minimize passenger disruption and avoid sinking tons of money into refurbishing an outdated building.

      Also correct that landside provides most of the challenges for CLE currently, even though these needed upgrades aren’t terribly obvious. Everything “underneath” from luggage transfer to HVAC to electrical needs to be replaced. Makes no sense to do that in an old building.

      Centralized and expanded security will be a huge asset to O&D passengers as well as a new and expanded international arrivals section.

      Finally the concourse solution seems simple to me. Build new A and C concourses extending from the headhouse, directly underneath the existing concourses. Again, this construction could occur with minimal disruption while utilizing the existing concourses. Finally, B could be demoed and a new B built in its place, IF sufficient gates can’t be created in the new A and C concourses.

  24. Nick Bax Avatar

    I’d really want some architect to explain why a new head house isn’t located where the old commuter terminal is located. Sometimes these things get so expensive because they need to maintain existing access. Building on an almost greenfield should save money.

    If they put the new head house where the commuter terminal is, then can connect it into the current gates, and work on phasing in new gate access in the future while maintaining access to the existing gates. There would also be the ability to use the existing roadways.

    1. Paul Avatar
      Paul

      Good question. I’m not sure this option was every publicly discussed. One thing might be the need to move the RTA rapid transit tunnel even further south to connect to a terminal where D is now.

    2. Jeff-ORF Avatar
      Jeff-ORF

      I saw something years back where they were going to extend the head house down to the foot of concourse D, then start working on the existing terminal and gates. D is quite spacious compared to the existing tight concourses, , but it was quite a hike from the main terminal.

  25. Oliver Avatar
    Oliver

    Why are they keeping the commuter terminal D if it is no longer in use? Did they put offices in there or something?

    1. Paul Avatar
      Paul

      The ultimate use of D has not been decided. United still has 2 more years of payments to make on it. I’m sure nothing will be done until at least then.

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        If they build a new C in between existing C and D, which seems likely, D would certainly be demolished then.

  26. KevinP Avatar
    KevinP

    I live south of Cleveland north of Akron.
    I go out of my way to either fly out of Akron/Canton for domestic or Pittsburgh for international.
    CLE is a joke. So inconvenient for everything, dark, and dingy. Only real international is Mexico, Canada, Iceland, and Ireland. Anywhere else you have to fly to a major US city airport adding an extra leg to go to major international cities.

    1. Paul Avatar
      Paul

      No more Iceland (since 2018), but also the Domincan Republic.

  27. Jeff H Avatar
    Jeff H

    People who complain about CLE have obviously never flown through ORD, ATL, or gasp LAX.

    1. stogieguy7 Avatar
      stogieguy7

      I live 45 minutes from ORD and have no issue with it at all. Way better airport than CLE – where I have flown many times. And, as a local, I maintain it’s far better than the incredibly overrated ATL and it’s massive TSA lines where preCheck doesn’t even save you. No, ppl like to kick ORD because connecting there can be horrible. But as an O&D facility it’s great. And I’m not alone in feeling that way – ask most Chicagoans.

      Since I’m here…..I cannot express how utterly ridiculous the current CLE rental car facility is. This thing is about 2 miles away, which the shuttle manages to cover in an amazing 20 freakin minutes! A rental car center that’s located in a random industrial park on the edge of some random neighborhood. On side streets. I’ve never seen anything like it and I hate the place with a passion.

      1. Bill from DC Avatar
        Bill from DC

        The rental car facility will go, which is great because it blows!

        I don’t get dumping on ORD either, at least when flying United. AmericAAnt’s airside at ORD is comparable to CLE. Which is not a compliment.

        The worst thing about ORD is driving there but fortunately the blue line solves that problem.

        That being said I still utilize MDW much more frequently. Orange line works too.

        1. stogieguy7 Avatar
          stogieguy7

          That rental car facility is far and away the worst thing about CLE. What a joke. And it adds a ton of time that you have to plan for. Otherwise, it comes off as a dated, yet functional facility with which I’ve had few issues. Apparently, it does become a bit of an accommodation for the homeless late at night because airside supposedly closes overnight (my former boss got stuck there late at night thanks to a storm, having to wait for an early am departure and tells some interesting stories about that). Anyhow, I’ve never had an issue there.

          From downtown Chicago, yes the blue line is the best way to get to ORD. And, MDW is easier from there – especially via the orange line. But all that said, this is a very ‘downtown Chicago’ point of view which represents only a minority of Chicago based fliers. Most live in the suburbs and ORD is more convenient from most suburban areas than MDW.

          1. Bill from DC Avatar
            Bill from DC

            Very true. Sis lives in South loop by Grant Park. I’ve been to Chicago dozens of times and the only suburb I’m ever going to is Oak Park so I can do the Frank lloyd wright walking tour for the bazillionth time. That being said, your point is a good one, even if it doesn’t apply to me!

  28. Bill from DC Avatar
    Bill from DC

    No CLE post is complete without me complaining that United has still not restarted DCA flights post pandemic, leaving me stuck on AmericAAn’t, making the Pennsylvania turnpike (even factoring in Breezewood) seem appealing.

    CLE rocks!

  29. southbay flier Avatar
    southbay flier

    I think they’ll have to do the concourses next. They are old and outdated. They only decent concourse is closed.

    As for moving the rental cars closer, it’s about time. That bus ride added lots of time.

    1. Vern L Ripley Avatar
      Vern L Ripley

      First they should have demolished D and THEN put in the temporary parking lot. Then they could have started to build new concourses. But to save money, at least at this time, they want to keep some of the old airside building. What I think they should be doing simultaneously with the landside construction is to begin construction on a new concourse(s) too the east of C, finish that, tear down old C, and then build another brand-new concourse, and repeat and rinse with Concourses A and B.

      The last plan I saw was for 5 concourses, but with about the same number of gates that Hopkins currently has.

      It should not take north of a dozen years to rebuild the whole airport. That’s insane.

  30. Vern L Ripley Avatar
    Vern L Ripley

    I worked at Hopkins for CO then UA for 26 years, and is LONG overdue. And in typical Cleveland fashion, they are doing it in a very awkward, slow way. It should NOT take 6 years to do Phase I. I know they’re dealing with moving parts that are used now, but six years? Phase I could be done in 3 or 4, but again, they’re stringing it out.

    I did read a snippet somewhere that they may not have the new concourses complete until 2039! I’m 64 now and will probably be dead by then! And by that time when the new airside opens, it might already be obsolete.

    When it comes to Hopkins, Cleveland has always been a day late an a dollar short. They allowed the airport to become landlocked, and apparently didn’t see the jet age coming. It’s physical footprint is very tiny compared to other airports if its size, and that is WHY they’re being so slow in doing these-they have no room to maneuver.

    Had Northeast Ohio been awake in the early 60’s, they would have built a new airport in SE Lorain County, were no one lived at the time and where there is plenty of room. They can’t do that now, and so for 60-plus years they’ve been trying to fit the square peg that is Hopkins into a round hole.

    1. Nick Bax Avatar

      FWIW, Hopkins isn’t the only landlocked major airport. Seattle-Tacoma International Airport has the same problem. It was more or less a greenfield when it started, but its hemmed in from all sides now. (Its was built on so much of a greenfield, that the city where much of the airport is located, SeaTac, is named after the airport, not the other way around.)

    2. Dale Avatar
      Dale

      I have to agree. Just look at all the “plans” and surveys to ease Dead Man’s Curve! Still hasn’t been touched!

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