San Francisco’s Fog and Runway Problems Give the Airport a Dubious Honor

Pop quiz. Which major airport had the worst on time performance in August? JFK? Nah. Newark? Nope. Chicago? Bzzt. Atlanta? Nyet. Give up? It’s San Francisco. Really.

You would think that the airports that get pounded by thunderstorms all summer would be the ones that rank at the bottom, so it’s even more surprising that San Francisco sits below everyone else by a fair margin. There wasn’t a single drop of rain the entire month at the airport. San Francisco saw only 70.2 percent of flights arrive within 15 minutes of schedule in August. The next worst was Miami at 75.9 percent and then LaGuardia at 76.4 percent. So what gives?

Those of you who live in the Bay Area or fly there frequently are probably shaking your heads right now because you know the pain all too well. The problem? It’s too foggy at the airport by the Bay and the runways are too close together to operate at full capacity in the fog. In a city that loves the environment more than just about anything, this isn’t likely to get fixed any time soon.

But before we dig into the reasons, I’ll put up a virtual layout of the Bay Area for those who don’t know it. (Before you jump on me with hate-spewing comments, realize that I absolutely love it up there, so this map was drawn with love. Well, except for that part about Berkeley. As a Stanford grad, I have no love for you weenies in the East Bay.)

Bay Area Layout

As you can see, SFO sticks out into the Bay from the peninsula, just south of the city of San Francisco itself. In case you were wondering, much of the peninsula there is made up of mountains and the area between the mountains and the Bay is filled with people. The airport has nowhere to go. Now let’s look at the airport in greater detail.

SFO Usual Departures Arrivals

Here you can see the airport up close. It has two sets of parallel runways that are perpendicular to each other. When the winds allow, the airplanes come in from the east and land over the Bay. Departures go to the north. (Yes, some long haul departures use the same runways as arrivals because the runways are so much longer.) But it’s not shifting winds that cause the airport to back up. The problem actually usually happens when airplanes are using this preferred configuration.

On a beautiful sunny day, the controllers can line up airplanes to land simultaneously. The runways are only 750 feet apart (centerline to centerline) but when the airplanes can see each other, that’s ok. When airplanes can’t see each other and they need to do instrument landings, the required distance between runways goes up a lot. You need 2,500 feet to do staggered approaches and 4,300 feet to do approaches exactly parallel to each other. SFO isn’t even close.

There are two ways to solve this problem. One is the technological way – get more accurate systems that allow for airplanes to be much closer to each other even when they can’t see each other. That has happened to some extent as airlines have worked with the airport and the feds to come up with ways to increase the throughput when visibility drops. The other way is to physically move the runways. The only real option there is to push one runway further out to the north into the Bay. I think we all know that in a place like San Francisco, that’s not going to happen. Environmentalists will win that battle every time.

So instead, air travelers just end up suffering any time the visibility goes down. What’s most frustrating about that is it’s very often a beautiful sunny day until the last few miles of the approach when that fog messes things up. In August, that happens a fair bit, and it’s why SFO had the worst on time performance despite not having a drop of rain.

The strangest thing about all this is when flying to San Francisco, you should throw all other advice out the window. What do people usually tell you? Fly in the morning to avoid delays, right? Not to San Francisco. As you might imagine, fog is worse in the morning and will often clear out by afternoon. So the afternoon arrivals are in better shape than the morning ones. Here’s the chart.

SFO On Time Performance

Definitely not what you’d expect to see at most airports, right? So next time you’re flying into SFO, keep that in mind. Afternoon flights might work out better, or if you really don’t want to take chances, there’s always Oakland . . .

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Bobber
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Not surprised at all. Love the airport nonetheless. And the arrow point of your ‘wierdo’s and hippies’ is, I think, cover the roof of my old apartment, Cranky!

Kevin
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I would love to use OAK more often, but if you’re not a WN flyer or you’re traveling to/from the East Coast, you have few choices – JetBlue is down to one single red-eye to IAD and two measly flights to JFK; AA is gone; and UA has a whopping two daily flights to DEN. So, I’ll put up with the pain of SFO to get a nonstop to the East. At least if you’re delayed on a nonstop, you don’t have to worry about misconnecting.

Nick Barnard
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Argh. I love SFO. Although BGM used to have fog trouble all the time on the late night arrivals, I’ve been diverted to Elmira a couple of times. That’s what you get when you put an airport ontop of a mountain.

Oh, aren’t they getting rid of the colorful salt ponds that you see on arrival to SFO? (well tha is when you can see.)

David SF eastbay
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I think because of OAK and SJC there is not a big push to do land fill to move the SFO runways. The major up and down the west coast flights can go via SFO/OAK/SJC so OAK/SJC take a lot of traffiic. If SFO was the only airport around here, that could make a difference if a runway move. Cranky you should have put a red arrow right across from SFO to show OAK, as it’s a whole different weather world as you said for airports right across from each other. August is always a fun month in San Francisco… Read more »
Andrew
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Never understood why anyone would choose to live in a place where you have to wear jackets and long pants to be “snug and warm” in the middle of August. Yes, San Francisco is a great city, blah blah blah, but I still don’t get it.

Derek
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Well, by that logic, why does anyone live in Siberia? You answered your own question… SF is an amazing city, so residents tolerate the sometimes unseasonable weather (and laugh at the clueless tourists :-)

David SF eastbay
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It’s not like that all the time. If those same tourists would go to the east bay they would be saying it’s to hot.

And maybe they did land in OAK as OAK gets a lot of charters since it is cheaper to land there. I’ve seen many different airlines of the world in OAK doing charters over the years.

james
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As a tourist I’d rather have a chilly cool day calling for pants and a nice fleece jacket – rather than be hot, sticky and gross after walking around for hours. On a 50 degree day my small camera bag doesn’t make my back sweaty, and I have a few more pockets for maps and what not. Get cold? Duck into a coffee shop for soup. I do all my big trips in the shoulder seasons. Took my sister and niece to Amsterdam in March. Yes we had a few windy and rainy days but some great memories, very few… Read more »
David SF eastbay
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I know this is an aviation blog and not a weather summary of San Francisco, but I will say it is like going to Palm Springs. I was the tourist the first time in Palm Springs and it was between 104-107 degrees (spring time temps) and we were going to take the tram up to San Jacinto Peak. Everyone said take a jacket and I said it’s 104, they said take a jacket and I said it’s 104. So we get to the top and there is snow on the ground. Seems it wasn’t 104 at 8,500 ft above the… Read more »
JC
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Andrew….this last week in SF has been 80-90 deg every day- Beautiful. Cool at night. What you and most tourists don’t get is our best weather is in late April/May and Oct/Nov and sometimes Dec. I have spent many Christmas days at the beach with 70 deg. weather. All my wife’s family in MI are always jealous ! Remember that when you are freezing on the East Coast (or Mid West) this winter.

SAN Greg
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I could use some help here. Wasn’t San Jose supposed to provide some relief for SFO? IMHO the lack of a high speed rail link to San Francisco is the reason that hasn’t panned out. Could AA be enticed to make a go of it again if one was built?

Erik
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There was a major push to add new runways during the first tech boom. Flights at SFO were at an all time high and delays were really becoming a problem. As Cranky mentions though, there was a lot of resistance to filling more of the Bay (which has been a long-running saga). With the tech industry crash and then 9/11, the volume of flights cratered. The plans were quietly grounded (HA!) in 2003, I think. As it happens, one of the arguments against the runways was that by 2010, there would be all this new technology in place that would… Read more »
Derek
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I recall there were also proposals to build a rail tunnel under the Bay between SFO and OAK to make it easier for connecting flyers to quickly hop between airports. SFO arrivals could connect more directly to BART rail in the East Bay (assuming they pushed through to the off-airport BART station and eliminated that silly bus link), and OAK arrivals could come in from wherever in the US and connect to Asia flights at SFO. Meanwhile the alternative is a much longer BART journey that goes up and around.

David SF eastbay
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They had talked about extending BART where it comes from the middle of the 238 freeway and going across the bay on a train only bridge which would then turn to head towards S.F., but that is never going to happen. Neither is anything else. Look how many billions it’s costing to build a new bridge between Oakland and Yerba Buena Island to replace the old one.

Al
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Unfortunately the “the off-airport BART station” is not BART, but a people-mover, and a staggeringly expensive one that isn’t even faster than a bus.

johnny0
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Here’s a rather amazing map of all the approach and departure patterns for Bay area airports:

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2008/10/a-roadmap-to-our-highways-in-the-sky.html

David SF eastbay
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Thanks johnny0 that was interesting. I’m sure whom ever make that map did the best they could having to squeeze three major airports in that box, some landmarks are not where they should be. But moving things around in my head, it would seem about right for the most part judging where planes fly over where I live. But there are exception as I’ve been outside in my yard and watched 747’s fly passed and head across the bay to line up for SFO in a stop where they shouldn’t be by that map. I always know when a plane… Read more »
Doug Swalen
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That map is incomplete. It doesn’t show the approach to SJC that comes in over Saratoga/Los Gatos/Campbell. It doesn’t show bad weather takeoffs from SFO or SJC.

Back O' Da Bus
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Ah yes………the dreaded SFO morning ATC inbound flow delays. When booking connections to Asia and the S. Pacific (typically starting in LAS, DEN, or PHX) SFO fog is always in the back of my mind, and has even forced me to do the LAX terminal hussle/shuffle to avoid the chance of a missed connection at SFO. With SFO attempting to market itself as a better connect point than LAX, they can’t change the weather (until Google fixes that) or the runway config. Would be interesting to see WN’s profit and operational analysis for SFO (past WN ops vs. new WN… Read more »
McCauleyConner
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“OAKlandings” and take-offs are always a good idea. I always shop OAK first. The airport is great and I’m always on-time. At SFO there is always some drama or other unfolding. My last flight there was nearly two hours late and they had people boarding and disembarking from the same jetway. I checked on my laptop, everything at OAK was on-time. There would be more flights at OAK, too, if some British billionaire didn’t muck things up. The smart move would have been to start that airline at OAK.

David SF eastbay
Member

Had to think for a second who and what you were talking about…..LOL. Saying San Francisco is more hip sounding then saying gang banger Oakland. But Sir Richard also knew they would get into the new(old) terminal and would have room to grow and get international feed. I guess that was more of a draw then ‘hubbing’ in the east bay which has a larger population then the west bay.

Doug Swalen
Guest

That was never going to happen as long as Virgin Atlantic was landing in SFO. And no way Richard would sit still for moving Virgin Atlantic to Oakland while BA ran two flights a day to SFO.

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[…] The Cranky Flier reports that with only 70.2% of flights arriving within 15 minutes of schedule this August, SFO beat out stalwarts like La Guardia, Chicago and Atlanta.  (Number 2 was Miami at 75.9% and #3 was La Guardia at 76.4%.) […]

SFO Flyer
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Given the predominance of the marine layer, the airport should not be scheduled for more than the arrival rate under IFR. The delay is caused by airline overscheduling: the marine layer is a known certainty, but is ignored by the airlines.

Furthermore, SFO is clogged by lots of 40-seater commuter airplanes that cause delays or cancellations of 150-seater jets. Perversely these commuter planes get a discount, and pay far less that a large plane does, in one of the most egregious mispricing of a constrained resource (a landing slot) — the most inefficiently it’s being used, the lower the price!!

Michael
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SFO is the worst. I mean, its a nice airport, but even though I go there 2-3 times a year, they still always (ALWAYS) find some way to delay my flight at least 1/2 hour to an hour (I am actually talking about departures too). I love Oakland, personally, and I fly out of there whenever I can. But they cut all the service there so we can’t go so much out of there anymore. People heading into San Francisco should definitely look at OAK.

Tony
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I live in Millbrae above SFO. It’s true about the fog, but SFO is the best airport for its amenities. The food concessions are outstaning (Dim Sum, Fresh Sushi), its arts exhibits is of museum quality (it had the history of martini shakers and tiki bars), it has a BART station to CAL, it’s close to a Caltrain station to other university not worth mentioning. A centralized car rental facility connected by a train, It has a great aviation library and museum for airplane geeks such as myself. Unlike JFK or LAX, SFO is one of the best airports for… Read more »
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[…] the connection in Chicago. We’re talking about Chicago in December, after departing from SFO, the airport with the worst on-time record in the US. On top of this, I was planning to check my bag through from SFO to LHR, and I was hoping that it […]

dab
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Not an inspiring story since I have an early morning flight to SFO that I just booked… You missed the cluster of oil refineries on the map, for another omission.

That describes my trip, actually. Flight to SFO, drive to an oil refinery, flight to LAX, drive to another oil refinery, flight home…

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[…] Bad News: SFO is Last in On Time Arrivals If you live in the Bay Area or are simply heading there for your wedding, you’ll be sad to know that SFO was last for on time arrivals in August. Why? It’s all about the fog. You might want to think about Oakland or San Jose if you’re on a tight schedule. San Francisco’s Fog and Runway Problems Give the Airport a Dubious Honor […]

FlyErik
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As a Bay Area native who has since fled the bleeding state, I still deal with this issue and appreciate the…..diplomacy with which Cranky wrote the article. I, however, will NOT be as diplomatic. I’m a commuting flight attendant who sadly has SFO as his base. \ Here’s how it really is: -EnviroWhackos (of which there are far too many in the bay) cannot be reasoned with. Ten years or more of proposals, meetings, environmental impact studies, and the typical bay area political ridiculousness are to blame for the current situation. Here’s an article from 2003 – http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-05-21/bay-area/17491846_1_runway-project-airport-spokeswoman-environmental-studies As you… Read more »
Carl
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I have flown “through” (connected) SFO many times over the years, mostly due to my location in Southern Oregon leaves little choice if flying United. While it may be a ‘nice’ airport in a beautiful city, this airport being United’s hub is the major reason I either find the time to drive or fly another carrier. I have YET to not have flight delayed, often missing connections and traveling with an autistic son, this just adds to the frustration. I was quite happy with United and how they dealt with problems that are beyond their control in our most recent… Read more »
trent
Guest

SFO sucks balls. It is a nice day and they still cant land. You neglected to mention option 3 which is to just book less flights to the airport. You lose money but at least it could operate somewhat more efficiently.

robert
Member

you need to plot on time arrivals / departures by month.
Foggy months are way worse.

Also doesn’t help that May -> September this year ww have major fedeal mandated improvements coming for the 2 main runways …

http://www.flysfo.com/about-sfo/airport-development/runway