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		<title>Virgin Australia Set to Make Its Debut</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 10:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Australian travelers know Virgin Blue as the number two competitor to Qantas, but within a couple of days, the name will be gone. Ok, so I&#8217;m just being dramatic. The airline is simply changing its name to Virgin Australia (or so it&#8217;s expected). That, of course, begs the question . . . why didn&#8217;t it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian travelers know Virgin Blue as the number two competitor to Qantas, but within a couple of days, the name will be gone.  Ok, so I&#8217;m just being dramatic.  The airline is simply changing its name to Virgin Australia (or so it&#8217;s expected).  That, of course, begs the question . . . why didn&#8217;t it get that name <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/5677731472/" title="Virgin Australia Logo by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 5px 5px 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5308/5677731472_d1db2f20ef_m.jpg" width="240" height="134" alt="Virgin Australia Logo"></a>in the first place?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know for sure that <a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wings-down-under/2011/04/virgin-blue-applies-for-virgin-australia-name-change.html">Virgin Australia will be the name announced this Wednesday</a> (Tuesday for us here in the US), but all signs point that way.  Trademarks have been registered, the web domain has been secured, and there were even a couple of slip ups on the current website that showed the airline&#8217;s hand.  This is all part of Virgin Blue&#8217;s new strategy under former Qantas exec John Borghetti to become a viable competitor against Qantas when it comes to the business traveler.</p>
<p>How did the airline get the name Virgin Blue in the first place?  It all came as part of a <a href="http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Media/NewsandPressReleases/P_003197.htm">contest the airline held to name the airline</a> when it launched in 2000.  In Australia, a &#8220;Bluey&#8221; is apparently slang for a red-headed person.  With its red-bodied airplanes, the name seemed to fit, and it added a little fun.  This may have sounded fun, but it seems out of place today among Virgin airlines.</p>
<p>Most Virgin airlines (except for the now-defunct Virgin Express) have geography in the title.  Virgin Atlantic flies over the Atlantic (primarily).  Virgin America?  I think we know how that works.  And Virgin Nigeria may be gone, but in its day, it was clear where it flew.  So now Virgin Australia will join that family.</p>
<p>The bigger problem, however, is around the Virgin name itself.  The name was originally licensed solely for flights within Australia.  That meant that when Virgin Blue started expanding, it couldn&#8217;t take the Virgin name with it.  That&#8217;s how we ended up with Pacific Blue in New Zealand and the South Pacific, Polynesian Blue in Samoa, and of course, V Australia for long-haul intercontinental flights.  The brand confusion is just nuts. </p>
<p>My understanding is that this insanity was courtesy of Singapore Airlines.  <a href="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milesbuzz/1782-singapore-airlines-buys-49-virgin-atlantic.html">Singapore bought 49 percent of Virgin Atlantic back in 1999</a>.  Concerned about protecting its turf in its sphere of influence, it pushed for the restrictions on Virgin Blue&#8217;s use of the Virgin name outside of Australia.  We&#8217;re in a different world today, however.  There is plenty of low cost carrier competition around Southeast Asia and <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-30/singapore-air-new-ceo-may-exit-virgin-as-asia-competition-grows.html">Singapore is pondering a sale of its Virgin Atlantic stake</a> anyway.  <del datetime="2011-05-02T15:13:14+00:00">I assume that Virgin Australia had to pay up in order to be able to use the Virgin name in a greater geography, but it&#8217;s worth it to have a unified brand.</del></p>
<p><del datetime="2011-05-02T15:11:09+00:00">Now we&#8217;ll see all the Virgin Blue brands united under the name Virgin Australia</del>.  <em>It&#8217;s now my understanding that only Virgin Blue will become Virgin Australia with Pacific Blue being folded in to V Australia.  So, man, did I get this one wrong.</em>  With this new brand, the airline will be gunning for Qantas and a larger share of the business travel market.  The name and paint job aren&#8217;t the only things changing.  We&#8217;ve already seen the airline put widebodies on flights between Sydney and Perth with longer-haul configurations that appeal to business travelers.  We&#8217;re also going to see new interiors and changes to the frequent flier program, undoubtedly in ways to make it more attractive to the frequent Qantas traveler.</p>
<p>Remember, Virgin Blue also has a fairly new partnership with Air New Zealand across the Tasman, so I would assume we&#8217;ll see further integration between the two so that the new Virgin Australia can provide better offerings to the business travelers on both sides of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman_Sea">the Ditch</a>.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m Qantas, I&#8217;m certainly concerned about this.  The Virgin effort is being spearheaded by someone who knows Qantas well from the inside.  And while its Jetstar subsidiary did a good job of holding ground against low cost carriers, it does nothing against an airline targeting the business traveler.  This should be fun to watch.</p>
<p><em>[Updated 5/2 @ 812a to reflect the fact that only Virgin Blue will be changing its name to Virgin Australia]</em></p>
<p><em>[Updated on 5/4 @ 918a - it appears that <a href="http://medianet.multimediarelease.com.au/bundles/ab7d8783-b115-4242-8d0c-0a7b1574326c">Pacific Blue and V Australia will become Virgin Australia</a>, so the initial post was right.]
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		<title>Cranky on the Web (September 21 &#8211; 25)</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/09/26/cranky-on-the-web-september-21-25/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[July Premium Traffic Shows Gains &#8211; BNET It&#8217;s premium traffic monitor time again, and traffic is still in the tank. But it&#8217;s not quite as bad, so that&#8217;s good. Delta&#8217;s SkyClub Promotion Slightly Misses the Mark &#8211; BNET Delta offered club access to some elite members for a day. Good idea, not great execution. Guest [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10003517/july-premium-traffic-shows-gains/">July Premium Traffic Shows Gains</a> &#8211; <em>BNET</em><br />
It&#8217;s premium traffic monitor time again, and traffic is still in the tank.  But it&#8217;s not quite as bad, so that&#8217;s good.</p>
<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10003514/deltas-skyclub-promotion-slightly-misses-the-mark/">Delta&#8217;s SkyClub Promotion Slightly Misses the Mark</a> &#8211; <em>BNET</em><br />
Delta offered club access to some elite members for a day.  Good idea, not great execution.</p>
<p><a href="http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2009/09/22/guest-posts-from-my-favourite-bloggers-brett-snyder-the-cranky-flier/">Guest Posts From My Favourite Bloggers : Brett Snyder &#8211; The Cranky Flier</a> &#8211; <em>Flying with Fish blog</em><br />
I wrote a guest post for Fish about the recently announced V Australia/Emirates codeshare.</p>
<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10003542/us-airways-and-delta-raise-more-money/">US Airways and Delta Raise More Money</a> &#8211; <em>BNET</em><br />
Airlines are raising money left and right these days.  Might as well do it while they can.</p>
<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10003539/united-goes-back-into-mini-expansion-mode-domestically/">United Goes Back Into Mini-Expansion Mode Domestically</a> &#8211; <em>BNET</em><br />
Don&#8217;t look now, but United has started adding new flights and new cities once again.  That&#8217;s always encouraging, though I do wonder about some of these.</p>
<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10003579/virgin-americas-improved-second-quarter-performance-details/">Virgin America&#8217;s Improved Second Quarter Performance Details</a> &#8211; <em>BNET</em><br />
Now that the government data is out, we can take a look at Virgin America&#8217;s performance in greater detail.  Not too bad, but there&#8217;s still work to do.
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		<title>Delta and V Australia/Virgin Blue Plan Joint Venture</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/09/delta-and-v-australiavirgin-blue-plan-joint-venture/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know all those low fares we&#8217;ve seen on US to Australia routes lately? That&#8217;s because with two new entrants, there&#8217;s way too much capacity out there and everyone involved is bleeding as they fight for traffic. Now, those two new entrants, Delta and V Australia/Virgin Blue have decided to get together a form a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know all those low fares we&#8217;ve seen on US to Australia routes lately?  That&#8217;s because with two new entrants, there&#8217;s way too much capacity out there and everyone involved is bleeding as they fight for traffic.  Now, those two new entrants, <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-Air-Lines-and-Virgin-prnews-2451428666.html?x=0&#038;.v=1">Delta and V Australia/Virgin Blue have decided to get together a form a joint venture</a>.  Smart move.</p>
<p>I actually touched on this possibility when I <a href="http://crankyflier.com/2009/02/09/across-the-aisle-from-virgin-blue-ceo-brett-godfrey-at-v-australia-launch/">interviewed Virgin Blue CEO Brett Godfrey</a> in February.  When talking about Delta, he alluded to this . . .</p>
<blockquote><p>You might say, well, does Delta want to put their traffic on Qantas in Australia?  A lot of the market flies beyond Sydney, so maybe that&#8217;s an opportunity for us to say, well, quid pro quo . . . .  There&#8217;s some opportunity there.  No discussions held in that regard . . . but that&#8217;s an opportunity.</p></blockquote>
<p>And here we are five months later with a deal in hand.  This partnership will have frequent flier reciprocity, codesharing, and it will ask for antitrust immunity so they can discuss routes and fares.  This seems like it should be an easy one for the DOT to approve, because up until this year, only 2 airlines flew the route.  If this doesn&#8217;t get approved, my bet is that Delta&#8217;s days to Sydney are numbered, so there is a clear benefit to consumers to approving this deal.</p>
<p>It also allows Delta to feed people into Los Angeles from around the US and Virgin Blue to feed people into Sydney (and other gateways) from around Australia.  I would hope that we&#8217;ll see some serious frequency cuts in order to try to get back to a more normal level of capacity on the route.</p>
<p>I was emailing with Dan Webb over at Things in the Sky last night about this, and he was very <a href="http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thingsinthesky/2009/07/09/delta-and-virgin-blue-group-to-form-an-alliance/">interested in what this means for Virgin America</a>.  This type of joint venture certainly diminishes Virgin America&#8217;s importance to V Australia.  If it weren&#8217;t for space constraints, I wonder if V Australia would even rather move over to Delta&#8217;s terminal at LAX and leave Virgin America behind.</p>
<p>This also raises the question about what happens to the Virgin Blue/United partnership.  Right now, Virgin Blue shares United&#8217;s code on flights beyond Sydney in Australia.  I can&#8217;t imagine Virgin Blue would cancel this deal, but I wonder how United will feel about it.  They may very well need the traffic, so it&#8217;s possible it could stay, but that would make for an odd arrangement.</p>
<p>I also find myself wondering if eventually Air France could join this agreement with its LAX to Tahiti flight.  Virgin Blue subsidiary Pacific Blue doesn&#8217;t fly to Tahiti yet, but this could be another interesting twist.</p>
<p>I like this move.  It should help to stabilize the routes between the US and Australia, though it should mean fares will rise for consumers.  Considering that fares are too low to be sustainable right now, that&#8217;s a good thing.
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		<title>Virgins Hook Up</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The long awaited day is here. Virgin America and V Australia have finally entered into an interline agreement. It&#8217;s a fairly limited set-up right now thanks to technical limitations, but eventually it will become a full-fledged interline and codeshare agreement. So what do I mean when I say it&#8217;s fairly limited? Well, as of now, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long awaited day is here.  <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Virgin-America-Signs-First-prnews-15423126.html?.v=1">Virgin America and V Australia have finally entered into an interline agreement</a>.  It&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3593647232/" title="V Australia and Virgin America Start Interlining by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 5px 5px 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3557/3593647232_54f14b5f93_m.jpg" width="201" height="240" alt="V Australia and Virgin America Start Interlining" /></a>fairly limited set-up right now thanks to technical limitations, but eventually it will become a full-fledged interline and codeshare agreement.</p>
<p>So what do I mean when I say it&#8217;s fairly limited?  Well, as of now, it can only be booked via V Australia&#8217;s call center or a travel agent.  Starting June 8, you can also book on on the V Australia website.  But nothing can be handled from the Virgin America side of the house.</p>
<p>There is also no frequent flier reciprocity at this point.  You can only earn frequent flier points in the program of the operating carrier.  That means Velocity points for the Transpacific flight and eleVAte points for the domestic US run.</p>
<p>So why is this so limited?  It&#8217;s the same thing that prevented this whole thing from getting off the ground until now . . . technical issues on Virgin America&#8217;s side.  According to Virgin America spokesperson Abby Lunardini, Virgin America and V Australia are &#8220;working towards reciprocal interline and codesharing agreements ultimately.  We hope to have that functionality in our VX systems sometime in 2010.&#8221;  The timeline is similar for reciprocal frequent flier earning, though that should be in early 2010.</p>
<p>Until then, at least you&#8217;ll be able to transfer your bags directly.
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		<title>This Week on BNET (Feb 8 &#8211; 13)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should Continental Continue to Host Events for Its Best Fliers? Continental just finished up its annual FlyerTalk event. It&#8217;s not cheap, but should they continue to spend this money on their best customers? V Australia’s Decision on Which Business Class Seat to Use You would have thought that V Australia would choose the seat Virgin [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000717/should-continental-continue-to-host-events-for-its-best-fliers/">Should Continental Continue to Host Events for Its Best Fliers?</a><br />
Continental just finished up its annual FlyerTalk event.  It&#8217;s not cheap, but should they continue to spend this money on their best customers?<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000714/v-australias-decision-on-which-business-class-seat-to-use/">V Australia’s Decision on Which Business Class Seat to Use</a><br />
You would have thought that V Australia would choose the seat Virgin Atlantic pioneered, but they didn&#8217;t, and there had to be good reason.<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000739/us-airways-strong-december-on-time-performance/">US Airways’ Strong December On-Time Performance</a><br />
December was a miserable month for just about everyone thanks to awful weather, but US Airways ended up outperforming.<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000754/airtran-adds-flights-in-milwaukee/">AirTran Adds Flights in Milwaukee</a><br />
Midwest keeps shrinking but AirTran is jumping in to pick up the slack.  The airline announced a slew of new flights.<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000749/lax-and-united-agree-to-free-up-gates/">LAX and United Agree to Free Up Gates</a><br />
United and LAX have finally settled their long running dispute over gates and more.  This can only improve things for passengers at the airport.<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000700/finding-good-usage-numbers-for-onboard-wireless-internet/">Finding Good Usage Numbers for Onboard Wireless Internet</a><br />
Airlines are cautiously rolling out tests of onboard wireless, but when will we see reliable usage numbers so they can make decisions?  Soon.<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000790/is-southwests-si-swimsuit-model-airplane-backfiring/">Is Southwest’s SI Swimsuit Model Airplane Backfiring?</a><br />
If you see a half-naked woman on a Southwest airplane, it&#8217;s not an illusion.  It&#8217;s an SI swimsuit model, but was it a good idea?<BR><br />
<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000797/virgin-america-should-be-considered-american-for-now/">Virgin America Should Be Considered “American” for Now</a><br />
Alaska is questioning Virgin America&#8217;s &#8220;American-ness&#8221; but I find myself defending the airline.  This is just an attempt to push them out of business.
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		<title>Across the Aisle from Virgin Blue CEO Brett Godfrey at V Australia Launch</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had the chance to speak with Virgin Blue (owners of V Australia) CEO Brett Godfrey at the V Australia launch on Friday, and he had plenty to say about V Australia&#8217;s future partnering plans, the subject we just recently discussed here. For the first time, I bring you an Across the Aisle interview in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the chance to speak with Virgin Blue <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3262082534/" title="Across the Aisle from V Australia by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 0 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/3262082534_59c0e55c16_o.jpg" width="184" height="203" alt="Across the Aisle from V Australia" /></a>(owners of V Australia) CEO Brett Godfrey at the V Australia launch on Friday, and he had plenty to say about V Australia&#8217;s future partnering plans, the <a href="http://">subject we just recently discussed here.</a><BR><br />
For the first time, I bring you an Across the Aisle interview in video form.  It&#8217;s less than four minutes, but you&#8217;ll hear Godfrey talk about Alaska, Virgin America, Northwest, and others.  I found him to be quite knowledgeable about his business and friendly as well.  His answers seemed genuine and not full of the PR-speak that I&#8217;m used to seeing.  See for yourself, and be sure to come back after the video for my thoughts below.</p>
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I think Godfrey made a lot of sense in the video.  V Australia wants to partner with anyone and everyone who can benefit them, and that&#8217;s a smart way to operate (similar to Alaska, actually).  I&#8217;m glad to hear that the mystery of why they weren&#8217;t partnering with Virgin America has now been solved.  It&#8217;s simply a technology issue that&#8217;s causing the delay, as <a href="http://crankyflier.com/2009/02/02/v-australia-will-get-you-to-seattle-with-alaska-not-virgin-america/#comment-70214">suggested by commenter Ellis Taylor</a>.<BR><br />
Virgin America was crowing about how great it was that they were doing a lot of their tech work in house, but I think it&#8217;s clear that the strategy has been quite problematic.  There was never any question that they would want to codeshare with other Virgin airlines from the very beginning, so it now seems that the reservation system choice was a costly mistake.<BR><br />
Meanwhile, V Australia will continue to partner with everyone that makes sense for the airline.  As I mentioned in the video, I could see a deal between them and Delta being a smart move.  Their flight times are complementary and they could feed each other on both ends.  Clearly, Godfrey seems up for that, but it will be interesting to see what happens next.<BR><br />
Click if you missed <a href="http://crankyflier.com/2009/02/09/v-australia-welcomes-us-onboard-at-lax/">my overview of the Friday launch event</a>.
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		<title>V Australia Welcomes Us Onboard at LAX</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friday marked the first aircraft delivery for V Australia, Virgin Blue&#8217;s long haul arm that will inaugurate service on February between Sydney and Los Angeles. On the way down from Boeing, V Australia brought the plane to LAX for a reception and viewing of the onboard product, and I was able to get on board. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friday marked the first aircraft delivery for V Australia, <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/090206/aqf503a.html?.v=1">Virgin Blue&#8217;s long haul arm that will inaugurate service on February between Sydney and Los Angeles</a>.  On the way down from Boeing, V Australia brought the plane to LAX for a reception and viewing of the onboard product, and I was able to get on board.  First thoughts?  Coach and Premium Economy seem to be quite good, but Business, while good, is not quite best-in-class.<BR><br />
Usually we get picture-perfect Southern California days for these events, but Friday was filled with cloudy skies and rain.  That didn&#8217;t stop V Australia from throwing a heck of party.  There were free drinks, trendy seating areas, loud music, and of course, famous folks (I&#8217;m pretty sure I saw Chase from House there).  In other words, it&#8217;s exactly what you&#8217;d expect from a Virgin airline, though probably not the best way to spend money in these lean times.<BR><br />
Though <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3261965262/" title="Branson Raises Champagne by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 0 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3394/3261965262_b8a4c83ac0_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Branson Raises Champagne" /></a>there was a lot to like at the event, it started out on a sour note when they brought members of the USC marching band and cheerleading squad out to greet the plane.  As a UCLA fan, I couldn&#8217;t support that at all.  (Ok, maybe the cheerleaders did look pretty good.)<BR><br />
Finally, the plane arrived and Sir Richard Branson went into PR mode.  He came out on to the wing with some members of the crew and popped open a bottle of champagne.  At that point, it started to rain so people started to retreat into the tent where LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa fawned all over Branson for bringing jobs to the area, and Branson announced on stage that the airline would begin 3 times weekly flights from LA to Melbourne in addition to the already announced flights to Sydney and Brisbane.  Flights from Sydney to Johannesburg were also announced.<BR><br />
After that, it was time to go on the plane.  I joined Grant Martin from Gadling (<a href="http://www.gadling.com/2009/02/10/onboard-v-australias-boeing-777/">click for Gadling&#8217;s coverage</a>) and Juliana Shallcross from Jaunted (<a href="http://www.jaunted.com/story/2009/2/6/115915/3689/travel/V+Australia+Makes+Red+Carpet+Debut+at+LAX">click for Jaunted&#8217;s coverage</a>) along with the rest of the media in a preview tour.  First impression of the airplane?  It looked like a Virgin bird, and that&#8217;s not a bad thing at all.<BR><br />
As usual, there was mood lighting in full <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3261966772/" title="Padded Toilet Seat Cushion by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 5px; float:right;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3308/3261966772_c0d0b501ae_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Padded Toilet Seat Cushion" /></a>effect.  We settled down at the bar toward the back of Business Class as Branson and Villaraigosa popped another bottle of champagne and made a toast to the airline.  At that point, they turned the lights down and showed off the nighttime lighting which projects stars on the ceiling.  Branson actually said that he wanted to get a skylight in the bar, but Boeing told him that wouldn&#8217;t happen.<BR><br />
Another reason it seemed like a Virgin plane?  Padded toilet seats.  I&#8217;ll let you connect the dots on that one.<BR><br />
Let&#8217;s get to what matters here.  The Business Class product was <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3261139231/" title="Laying Flat in Business Class by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 0 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/3261139231_bf1f8180ee_m.jpg" width="180" height="240" alt="Laying Flat in Business Class" /></a>nice, but it isn&#8217;t the best in its class.  Despite what you might expect, the airplane does not have the herringbone configuration that Virgin Atlantic pioneered.  Instead, they&#8217;ve opted for a 2-3-2 configuration that is forward-facing and is said to go fully flat.<BR><br />
My friend Paul and I tried the seat out (you may remember him from previous events at LAX), and while it was comfortable, the bed didn&#8217;t feel completely level to me.  That could have just been me though, but it wasn&#8217;t bad.  The biggest problem?  If everyone is sleeping, there&#8217;s a lot of climbing required to get to the aisle from the window seat.  And nobody is going to want to be in that dreaded middle seat.  The footrest was also sort of awkward and I couldn&#8217;t quite figure it out.<BR><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3261140355/" title="Premium Economy Seats by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 5px; float:right;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3516/3261140355_879dcf97c0_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Premium Economy Seats" /></a>One quick tip &#8211; if you&#8217;re flying in Business, I&#8217;d go for row 5.  It&#8217;s separated from the rest of the Business Class, and it&#8217;s very private back there.<BR><br />
If you&#8217;re flying Premium Economy, you&#8217;re going to get a very comfortable leather seat with 38 inches of pitch.  I personally liked the little flat square at the end of each armrest that acts as a cupholder when the tray isn&#8217;t being used.<BR><br />
Coach has about 32 inches of pitch, so it&#8217;s about average (though better than United&#8217;s Economy Minus by an inch).  My friend noted that the color scheme was going to show a lot of dirt, and these aren&#8217;t leather seats.  So there could be some cleanliness issues here.  Overall however, it was a relatively <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/3261965442/" title="Coach Seats by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 0 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3261965442_1c2f2aab4c_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Coach Seats" /></a>normal-feeling coach seat with decent legroom.  So why do I say it&#8217;s best in class?  The inflight entertainment. <BR><br />
Every seat has Red, the same system Virgin America uses, though it won&#8217;t have live television.  Oh, and unlike Virgin America, coach seats don&#8217;t have power outlets (Business and Premium Economy do).  Very lame.<BR><br />
But overall, I&#8217;d say the seats were good and relatively comfortable, something that&#8217;s very important for the long haul flights they&#8217;ll be operating.  Hopefully this added competition will help keep prices lower on a route that has historically been filled with high fares.  I&#8217;m glad to see V Australia flying this route, and I think they&#8217;ll do well.<BR><br />
Stay tuned for part two to be posted soon with my interview with Brett Godfrey, CEO of Virgin Blue Group (owner of V Australia).<BR><br />
To see all my pictures from the day, <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/sets/72157613457065373/">visit my Flickr Photoset</a>.
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		<title>V Australia Will Get You To Seattle with Alaska, Not Virgin America</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I received a note from a reader down under recently pointing out that Aussies can now book flights to Seattle on the V Australia website. Is this the long-anticipated codeshare with Virgin America finally showing its head? Nope. It&#8217;s actually a codeshare partnership with Alaska. For some reason, I don&#8217;t remember this deal being announced. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a note from a reader down under recently pointing out that Aussies can now book flights to Seattle on the V Australia website.  Is this the long-anticipated codeshare with Virgin America finally showing its head?  Nope.  It&#8217;s actually a <del datetime="2009-02-03T01:27:46+00:00">codeshare</del> partnership with Alaska.  For some reason, I don&#8217;t remember this deal being announced.  Did I miss something?<BR><br />
If you&#8217;d like to check it out, you have to go to the <a href="http://www.vaustralia.com.au/">V Australia site in Australia</a>.  You can&#8217;t book trips from Seattle, at least not yet, but those in Australia can fly to either LAX or beyond to Seattle.  What happens if you choose Seattle?  Take a look.</p>
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<p>It doesn&#8217;t appear to be a codeshare, because it shows as an Alaska Airlines flight number, but you can book the entire itinerary on the V Australia site.  This just seems so strange to me.  V Australia&#8217;s Sydney flight gets you to LA at 430p (that shifts to 5p later on in the year).  Those flying to Seattle come over to Terminal 3 at LAX, but instead of taking the 710p flight to Seattle on Virgin America, they&#8217;ll take one of several Alaska flights around the same time.<BR><br />
On the way home, Alaska makes you sit at LAX for almost 4 hours before the V Australia flight goes back to Sydney.  On the other hand, Virgin America could get you to LA with only 1 hour 10 minute layover, something that&#8217;s just about perfect for a domestic to international connection that doesn&#8217;t require changing terminals.<BR><br />
I&#8217;m not sure why Virgin America isn&#8217;t carrying this traffic, but it absolutely should be doing it.  Why hasn&#8217;t this codeshare happened yet?<BR><br />
[Updated 2/2 @ 528p to fix codeshare language]
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		<title>Qantas and United Finally Getting Competition to Australia</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the last few years, Qantas and United have been the only two airlines to get passengers nonstop from the mainland US to Australia (Hawaiian will get you from Honolulu as well). While Qantas may have a good onboard product, its fares are high. United, on the other hand, has both high fares and a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the last few years, Qantas and United have been the only two airlines to get passengers nonstop from the mainland US to Australia (Hawaiian will get you from Honolulu as well).  While Qantas may have a good onboard product, its fares are high.  United, on the other hand, has both high fares and a poor product.  As we look forward to next year, we&#8217;re finally going to see some competition on these routes, and it will be interesting to see how this changes the route dynamic.<BR><br />
Beginning on February 27, <a href="http://www.vaustralia.com/">V Australia will begin flights from LAX to Sydney</a>.  Brisbane flights will follow soon after.  The airline is owned by Australian-based carrier Virgin Blue, and it will form the last link in the Virgin Group&#8217;s ability to get you around the world.  (Virgin Atlantic can get you from LA to London to Sydney.)<BR><br />
V Australia will fly 777-300s in three classes.  Fortunately, the third class in this case means Premium Economy, and I have to think that on such a long route, this will do well for them.  All seats have audio/video on demand, and, uh, mood lighting.  (This IS a Virgin airline after all.)  In Business Class, there is a flat bed, but it&#8217;s not the excellent Virgin Atlantic seat they&#8217;re using.<BR><br />
They&#8217;ve come in with some pretty low fares, but there&#8217;s a problem.  As of right now, they can&#8217;t get you anywhere beyond LA.  In Australia they&#8217;re in good shape since they&#8217;re owned by Virgin Blue and can feed the network nicely, but in the US they have nothing.  It is assumed that they&#8217;ll have an agreement with Virgin America since they&#8217;re both Virgin companies and they&#8217;re in the same terminal at LAX, but nothing has been finalized.  Even if that happens, it will only get you to San Francisco, Seattle, Washington, New York, and Boston.  Everyone else in the US will still have to fly United or Qantas (with its American codeshare) . . . or not.<BR><br />
Delta, in its quest to replicate Pan Am&#8217;s global domination (that didn&#8217;t end well), is going to start flights from LA to Sydney this summer.  Delta will have its usual two class product on the route, but since it&#8217;s operating 777-200LRs on it, business class will have the flat bed Virgin Atlantic-style seats up front and audio/video on demand throughout the plane.<BR><br />
Here is what all the airlines will be flying between the US and Australia during the northern summer in 2009.  Remember, this is low season for Qantas, so during the rest of the year it often has even more flights.</p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<th colspan="6" align="center">Southbound</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Airline</th>
<th>Dep City</th>
<th>Dep Time</th>
<th>Arr City</th>
<th>Arr Time</th>
<th>Days</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jetstar</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>915a</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>350p</td>
<td>Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>1050a</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>530p</td>
<td>Wed/Fri/Sun</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Hawaiian</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>1255p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>720p</td>
<td>Tue/Thu/Sat</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>V Australia</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1030p</td>
<td>Brisbane</td>
<td>540a</td>
<td>Mon/Wed/Fri</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1030p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>605a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>United</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1035p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>610a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>San Francisco</td>
<td>1040p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>620a</td>
<td>ex Tue/Thu</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Delta</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1040p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>640a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>United</td>
<td>San Francisco</td>
<td>1058p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>625a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1120p</td>
<td>Brisbane</td>
<td>605a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>V Australia</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1130p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>715a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1140p</td>
<td>Melbourne</td>
<td>755a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1150p</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>725a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th colspan="6" align="center">Northbound</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Delta</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>915a</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>600a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>1020a</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>640a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Melbourne</td>
<td>1025a</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>730a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>V Australia</td>
<td>Brisbane</td>
<td>1050a</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>700a</td>
<td>Wed/Fri/Sun</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Brisbane</td>
<td>1105a</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>700a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>120p</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>945a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>155p</td>
<td>San Francisco</td>
<td>1015a</td>
<td>ex Tue/Thu</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>United</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>155p</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>1026a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>United</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>240p</td>
<td>San Francisco</td>
<td>1106a</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jetstar</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>555p</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>740a</td>
<td>Mon/Tue</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jetstar</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>600p</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>745a</td>
<td>Thu/Sat</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Qantas</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>745p</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>930a</td>
<td>Wed/Fri/Sun</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>V Australia</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>805p</td>
<td>Los Angeles</td>
<td>500p</td>
<td>All</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Hawaiian</td>
<td>Sydney</td>
<td>920p</td>
<td>Honolulu</td>
<td>1110a</td>
<td>Wed/Fri/Sun</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><BR><br />
The Delta and V Australia flights really seem to be designed for connections.  The flights from LA are redeyes, as is every other flight on the route these days (an afternoon Qantas flight doesn&#8217;t seem to be running this summer), so that&#8217;s easy to connect into at night or out of in the morning.  But the flights back from Sydney provide more time flexibility.<BR><br />
The Delta flight leaves early from Sydney and lands very early as well. That&#8217;s awful for people coming from elsewhere in Australia but great for people connecting to the east coast who want to get in at a decent hour, and it&#8217;s going to make it attractive for those people.  The V Australia flight, on the other hand, leaves Sydney after 8p, long after any other airline and arrives at 5p.  This is great for collecting connecting passengers from around Australia, but it makes for a limited number of connections upon arriving in LAX at 5p.  Clearly, both these airlines are playing to their bases, as they should be.<BR><br />
It&#8217;s likely that these airlines won&#8217;t make a huge dent in Qantas&#8217;s offerings since Qantas has so many seats in the market and such entrenched loyalty, but United stands to be the big loser here.  Its inferior product in coach will be put under severe pressure as these other airlines bring down fares and offer much better products.<BR><br />
Will this be successful for everyone?  I&#8217;d be surprised.  My guess is that Delta will have a hard time of making this work, but they are hell bent on flying everywhere these days.  I&#8217;m not sure that there&#8217;s room for this many airlines on the route in the long term, but for now it should help bring fares down significantly and improve the travel experience for many.
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		<title>V Australia Coming to the US</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may have heard of Australia&#8217;s second largest airline, Virgin Blue, but you probably haven&#8217;t heard of V Australia. That&#8217;s because until yesterday, it didn&#8217;t really exist. V Australia is Virgin Blue&#8217;s new long haul arm. It launched officially yesterday as the US and Australia signed an open skies agreement which allowed the airline to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have heard of Australia&#8217;s second largest airline, Virgin Blue, but you probably haven&#8217;t heard of V Australia.  That&#8217;s because until yesterday, it didn&#8217;t really exist.<BR><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/crankyflier/2378132817/" title="08_04_01 vaustralia by brettsnyder, on Flickr"><img style="margin: 0 5px; float:left;" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2387/2378132817_e72a8e18d1_m.jpg" width="240" height="162" alt="08_04_01 vaustralia" /></a>V Australia is Virgin Blue&#8217;s new long haul arm.  It <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080331/0381575.html">launched officially yesterday</a> as the US and Australia signed an open skies agreement which allowed the airline to start flights between Australia and the US.  First up will be a daily Sydney &#8211; Los Angeles trip beginning on December 15, 2008, just in time for high summer season in Australia.<BR><br />
US-Australia flying has always been an interesting market.  There are really only three nonstop options, and only two are major players.  Of course there&#8217;s Qantas, Australia&#8217;s largest airline, and then there&#8217;s also United.  The third player?  Hawaiian flies from Honolulu to Sydney, but that&#8217;s not a strong option for many people on the Mainland.<BR><br />
Air New Zealand used to fly the route, but they abandoned it several years back.  And Singapore has been trying to fly it for years as well, but Australia&#8217;s protectionist policies won&#8217;t let them in.  This has led to high fares and not nearly enough competition.  Now, there will finally be a third major option.<BR><br />
You might expect V Australia to come in with a torrent of low fares, but really they aren&#8217;t.  Their lowest published fare starts at just 16% below the current lowest published fare (<a href="http://www.vaustralia.com.au/about-us/media-releases/view-media-releases/P_003795.html">if you believe their own press</a>).  They have been touting a sale fare, but it&#8217;s already sold out for the first two months.  Then again, this is high season, so I wouldn&#8217;t expect many deals.<BR><br />
We&#8217;ll see how much competition really does to lower fares once the shoulder and low seasons come around, but in a market that has previously been so restricted as this one, it should only be good news.
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