Why is the TSA Trying to Ruin Pre Check? (Ask Cranky)

This one was actually a little more like “Tell Cranky” instead of “Ask Cranky” but after my experience today, I thought it was a good post to write. There has been a lot of grumbling from Ask CrankyTSA Pre Check members lately about the lines being flooded with people who don’t belong.

As you all know, I only joined Pre Check (via Global Entry) this summer, and I instantly loved it. As Pre Check gets opened up to more and more people, however, it gets a little less useful. I personally put the stress on “a little,” but others may disagree.

It seems that people have been randomly getting Pre Check and those travelers seem pretty surprised. Some are getting it in advance, like this reader.

I wonder if you have heard this one. I just checked in Ryan and I for our Sunday flights. Ryan came up as having TSA Pre-check, whereas I did not.

Ryan, for the record, is a kid and isn’t likely to be going through security separate from his dad. But I’ve had others tell me the same thing, including one of our concierge clients.

Thanks for the fine service you and your team provided for my fiance on Wednesday. When I spoke to her last evening, she mentioned that she was given priority clearance through the TSA checkpoint at White Plains and she really enjoyed not having to remove everything and anything to get through security.

I had noticed in looking at the boarding passes that they said “TSA Pre Check” and after reading your post about this service I was curious about it but wondered if I flew enough to make the investment worthwhile.

Of course, we hadn’t done anything here, but somehow she was randomly chosen to go through Pre Check. I don’t mind that kind of thing personally as long as it doesn’t cause slow, long lines. But others are seeing lines get longer. From another reader.

I have noticed in the last week… that TSA is putting lots and lots of non-Pre-Check members into the Pre-Check line to, as the TSA agent in Philadelphia explained to me today, give people a taste of the program and then inviting them to join Pre-Check through the TSA website.

And I saw this myself yesterday morning at LAX. People were being directed into the Pre Check line. From what I could tell, one of the machines in the regular line wasn’t functioning so they just put a bunch of people in Pre Check. There are two big issues with this.

First, are people being properly checked to be entitled to less security? If it’s being done in advance on someone’s boarding pass, that must mean that people have been cross-checked with several watchlists and are considered to be low risk. But if some officer is just directing people at will at the airport, then there is no background check information.

I still don’t have a problem with this because I remain convinced that airport security is just theater. In my opinion, the real work is done between when the ticket is bought and when someone gets to the airport. So I would support having everyone use Pre Check-style security.

The other concern, however, is a bigger one. When you direct more people to Pre Check lines, it makes the lines longer for those who actually signed up for the service and paid for the privilege.

This is particularly aggravating when people are directed at the last minute and don’t know what they need to do. Today, the person in front of me took her shoes off. Others just looked around in confusion when being told not to take anything out of their bags. It slows things down and is really annoying for those who know the drill.

I’m hopeful this is a temporary issue. As Pre Check becomes more widespread, I’d bet we’ll see the ratio of Pre Check vs non-Pre Check lines reverse with just a minority of travelers getting the full rubdown. But until that happens, it might be a bit rougher experience than it should be.

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Jim
Guest
You mean the unwashed masses are being given the same treatment as the super-metallic elite premium diamond fliers? Oh, the horror! Pre-check is a scam. First, the TSA is radiating our bodies with questionable doses of radiation in order to take naked pictures of our bodies. Then, they are giving us the opportunity to avoid this by paying a fee for “pre-check”. If you can pay a fee to get around it, then what is the point? Any terrorist will pay the fee. Many terrorists have clean records and could pass a background check. Pre-check should be the default for… Read more »
Denise
Guest

Make sure to avoid that banana they offer you in first class due to the ‘questionable dose of radiation’…or flying for that matter…….

noahkimmel
Member

you pay the fee not to avoid the detection, but to cover the background check.

But I agree, we spend waaaay to much money on security theater, and nobody is laughing

Michael Fullmer
Guest
There is no “Fee” for pre-check. It just requires filling out all of the information asked when purchasing your ticket. Yes, the Global Entry/Nexus members are automatically “enrolled” in the PreCheck program, however that does not guarantee them the privilege as everyone who eligible for PreCheck also is subject to random times when they do not get to use it. I’ve been using PreCheck since the first week they started it in November, 2011 and, though I do get the random no PreCheck when I check in (About 7% of the time), I’ve never paid a thing for the privilege… Read more »
Dealing with idiots
Guest

Of course there is a fee…you are obviously an elite flier, whose airline covers it…the whole arrangement is a relative scam…..but do not kidd yourself there is a fee, the only difference between you and others is the fee is being redistributed, for example I am an Amex Pl. holder and they cover my global entry and pre-check fees but i am paying ~$500 a year for that benefit along with many others, so please do not come on to the forums and say that in some way you are not paying the fee..you are

s.allardice
Member

Firstly, Mr/Mrs Dealing with Idiots….wind your neck in! Secondly, how on earth are you paying $500 for global entry and pre-check? Global Entry is $100 and pre-check is $85!

Now, sit back, relax and enjoy the internet.

Cheers,
Simon

Amitava Chatterjee
Guest

The cost of the card is nearly $500, and it covers Global Entry (and PreCheck), Priority Pass, $200 on board airline credit, Shoprunner, etc. etc. etc.

Bravenav
Guest

There are many ways to get into PreCheck. At first it was by invitation for Delta and American’s eite FFers, or via one of GOES trusted traveler programs (not just Global Entry) More recently, PreCheck can be purchased separately for $85, but why anyone would do this, when Nexus (another trusted traveler program) is just $50, is beyond me.

gobluetwo
Guest

re: Nexus – Because some people don’t want to make a special trip to Canada to save $50 over Global Entry.

Global Entry, on the other hand, is only $15 more than the PreCheck application and also gets you expedited re-entry through immigration into the US (and a few other countries). Unless you’re absolutely sure you’ll never leave the country for the next 5 years, GE is a much better value. That, and some programs (AmEx Plat, certain airline/hotel programs for high elites) provide free/reimbursed GE fees.

Hunter
Guest

Assuming you were added during the initial round, which was elite FF based and did not carry a fee. Going forward you’ll either pay for Pre Check (5 year subscription) or Global Entry to get it. So, there is indeed a fee now.

Nick Barnard
Member

Both times I went through Pre lines there was no machine, just a Pre specific metal detector. I hope it was set to more sensitive than the others.. but who knows?

Denise
Guest
I had a terrible experience going through the ‘TSA pre check’ line at KOA last Sunday. We (with pre check) were lumped in with kids and people over 75. We didn’t have to take off our shoes, but we still had to take everything out of our bag (The agent checking IDs had to tell everyone this, which made the line move very slow). This ‘special’ line and the regular line were funneled through the same metal detector (so some people had shoes while others did not) and everyone had to stop and show the TSA agent our boarding passes… Read more »
Tom
Guest

I too have Global Entry and TSA Pre Check. TSA Plans to open more than 300 Pre Check application centers across the country by the end of the 2014. The Indianapolis International Airport application center opened Dec 4th. New York City, Wash DC, and Los Angeles area airports are next.

Soon everyone will have a TSA Pre Check. The only people in the non-Pre Check lines will be people with criminal backgrounds and Terrorists.

MathFox
Guest

What about aliens and furries?

The DHS has put the USA significantly lower on my list of countries to visit for vacations.

Jonathan
Guest

Amen. Nothing says “welcome to America” better than the wonderful welcome of the TSA, and nothing says “we’d like you to come back” better than being groped and made to feel like a criminal.

Hunter
Guest

I think it’s doubtful “everyone” will have Pre Check. With an $85 fee, the non-regular travelers probably aren’t going to pay and go to the trouble of submitting to the interview and biometrics.

Tom
Guest

Plus the government makes $85 per Nonrefundable application and you must renew it every 5 years.

Neil S.
Guest
I happily paid for Global Entry. $100 bucks for 5 years is a crazy bargain to get Pre, and GE coming back from intl. travel. Small price to pay for a little bit of ease. I also hear anecdotally that people who didn’t pay – just got it as an elite – don’t get it all the time. Knock on wood, I’ve been at 100% for about a year now. But recently, there have been a lot of people in line – from my experience, all elderly – who have no idea what to do, and get super confused when… Read more »
Michael Fullmer
Guest

Having Global Entry does not automatically give you PreCheck. Anyone eligible for PreCheck is also subject to random non-selection. That’s what (supposedly) makes the system safer.

gobluetwo
Guest

In about 60 trips through PreCheck, I’ve not been selected for, uh, non-selection. I have gotten the long metal detector beep a handful of times for the, uh, hand swab.

Hunter
Guest

I had it as part of UA MP program initially and was denied about 25% of the time. as soon as I got GE and linked it, I’ve had 100% success.

Shane
Member
I had several relatives this last weekend end up in Pre-Check lines randomly which made them very long. Prehaps the NSA is ringing in to give the proper people clearance? Seriously, I would hope that the TSA has plans to make the Pre-Check program at individual checkpoints flexible enough to handle a growing “cleared” population. If you did an across-the aisle chat with a TSA administrator (or across-the x-ray machine), it would be interesting to find out what the plans are. It seems like it would be easy to adjust the queues from 1 lane (typical at most airports) to… Read more »
Jim Mellem
Guest
My parents and mother-in law also got pre-check on one leg of their flight to see me over Thanksgiving. While my parents do a few flights a year my mother-in-law flew for the first time since like 2005. So the random pre-check has more to do with age than the number of times you fly. Clearly some government algorithm is favoring old people. I have 0 problem with this honestly. Its a bit like paying for a first class seat, then getting pissed when the guy beside you gets his on a free upgrade. To the lucky go the spoils.
SubwayNut
Guest

Does it have something to do with the fact that TSA (which now knows our birthdays through SecureFlight) now knows if were over 75 and/or under 12 since as of a year or two ago these passengers are considered low risk?

From TSA’s website http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/screening-passengers-75-and-older:
Passengers 75 and older can:
-Leave on shoes and light jackets through security checkpoints.
-Undergo an additional pass through Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) to clear any anomalies detected during screening.

My elderly grandmother talks about how nice it is now not to have to take her shoes off when she flies anymore.

Andrew
Guest
“The other concern, however, is a bigger one. When you direct more people to Pre Check lines, it makes the lines longer for those who actually signed up for the service and paid for the privilege.” Cranky, I think the real question is, what is the service that you (we) actually signed up for? You’re viewing this (as I think most of us do) as an efficiency thing–i.e, “By being enrolled in Pre-Check, my security experience should be as expedited as possible.” However, I think the government views it as a security/threat-level thing, and not an efficiency thing, which changes… Read more »
Shane
Member
I think that speed and efficiency are linked to threat level and resources. If more of the traveling public qualifies for pre-check and more pre-check lanes are opened at each terminal, then more passengers can be processed per TSA agent. If you got to the point where 25-50% of passengers were pre-check, then you would need fewer lines, fewer TSA personnel and be able to concentrate more scanning resources on the reamining. As far as the fee, this is an additional service.You have a right to fly but not a right for the government to pay for a background check… Read more »
Hunter
Guest

If in fact, the government is seeing it as a low threat issue, then why the $85 charge? Why am I paying $85 to present less of a threat for the government. It’s not too big a leap to associate a fee with WIIFM, and in this case, the WIIFM is speed and convenience.

(P.S., Cranky…2 posts and I’m throttled? Doesn’t really facilitate the idea of conversations, does it?!)

noahkimmel
Member

I want the airlines to take some ownership of the lines. I hate how there is no “elite” Pre-Check line. There is elite and there is precheck separate. But most elites are not precheck, so its a bad gamble of shorter line vs. shorter screening.

Hopefully the TSA will rebalance and add more than 1 precheck lane at most checkpoints as it is becoming slow, especially during monday/thursday peak times

TimH
Member

Actually, airlines were more responsible for security pre-9/11. It’s a liability issue from their part, but I’ve often wished airlines were again the primary party responsible – even if it was paying the TSA to do the job. Different security lines for different airlines (or terminals at hubs) would make it clear who was paying and what status you get.

noahkimmel
Member

but airlines work with airports to control and design the queues. TSA only controls from the ticket-document-checker through screening

AL
Guest
I experienced my first occurrence with this last week. I went through TSA Pre Check at Terminal 6 at LAX last week. Knowing that I TSA pre I spare my self less time at the airport. I had 2 elderly woman in front of me that had no idea what TSA pre was. They still were taking there shoes off and liquids out etc… I travel frequently to LAX from EWR and enjoy the service. A solid point is made about TSA letting anyone in the line. I have TSA Pre check through Global Entry as well and did the… Read more »
David M
Guest
I can give a specific example (though not an exact time difference). I recently was on a trip to Ottawa, and my parents came to visit. We left the same day, an hour or so apart. They have Global Entry, but I don’t. So after going through the baggage screening, we got in the line for US Customs/Immigration pre clearance in Ottawa, and after a minute or so I saw that they had Global Entry kiosks, so I sent my parents over there. They got through pretty quickly, and were waiting for me once I was through the line. Though… Read more »
Tom
Guest

I hope this is a temporary issue. Pre check is the best thing to happen to security theater in a decade. If it is going to be a cattle call, then what’s the point other than no shoes off? It takes 1 minute to do the drill at non pre airports. It’s the short lines and efficient treatment that make the difference.

TSA!!! Don’t f’n blow this, okay? Thanks. :)

Lisa
Guest
I had the opposite problem recently on a flight out of Tulsa the Saturday after Thanksgiving. As an airline employee I can usually use the crew line (and take my husband with me), but for the first time ever I was told that since I was not in uniform I could not. So we waited in a very long line, winding through the barriers and down the hall, and I noticed several things. -There were three scanning lines available for the TSA’s use. One was dedicated to the PreCheck line, one was in use, and one was idle. In practice,… Read more »
TimH
Member

A customer in front of me had this happen a couple weeks ago. She was basically at the scanner, and an employee looked at her boarding pass and told her she had Pre-Check. What’s odd is she was confused by the situation, and ultimately moved to a separate line… which was farther away and almost as busy. By the time all was said and done, I was through security before she was, despite starting out behind her.

Southeasterner
Guest
I don’t know about this older and younger passenger claim. I’m in my 30’s and my ticket sent me to the pre-check line, despite not being a registered user. My wife on the same booking did not have the pre-check indication. Maybe they are also including frequent fliers who are not registered? Needless to say I went in the non-Pre Check lines with my wife and I actually thought the TSA lines at all the airports I traveled to over t’day weekend (5) went very smoothly. I traveled at the peak times and the longest TSA wait I had was… Read more »
Chicago Chris
Member

I went through screening last week at ALB, which recently instituted Pre-Check. When I entered the line an agent was standing there with an iPad asking people to swipe. The screen then randomly assigned Pre-Check or traditional even if you didn’t have Pre-Check. It seemed to favor Pre-Check, resulting in a longer line, but because it requires less hassle it actually moved faster.

John
Guest

I had the same experience at ANC and OGG in the past few weeks. The ‘non-pre check’ pre check line had an agent that ‘randomly’ selected people to have their hands swiped for explosive residue. It seems like they were trying to balance out the under-used pre check line. At OGG, there were about 4 agents standing around the iPad, and they were arguing about how exactly to use and interpret the program they were using.

Scott
Member
Pre-Check is great and it should indeed be reserved for the fliers that airlines have a relationship and have a background that won’t cause any problems. People should not be going through pre-check that have no clue how to get through airport security to begin with. I had this happen at Orlando last Thursday. There was an older couple ahead of me. They had to tell them several times what to do with their items. Then both of them caused the scanner to alarm because of belts and watches. Meanwhile, crew members and I are stacking up behind these folks.… Read more »
David SF eastbay
Member

Remember TSA is run by the government so it’s not going to use logic or common sense or run smoothly. It’s not like shopping at your local grocery store or big box retail store who know how to handle lines of people and move people through smoothly and efficiently. Sadly airport security needs to be run by Walmart or Home Depot to work well.

Nick Barnard
Member

Ah, the Walmart that is so great at queuing that they had one of their employees trampled to death in 2008, and they’re still fighting the OSHA fine?

David M
Guest

I usually wish Disney was running things whenever I see an organization needing help with human queue management.

Meghan
Guest

I experienced this last Wednesday enforce the holiday. I fly bi weekly for work out of BNA but have never been in pre check, however this flight I booked using my husband’a ample Southwest Rapid Rewards account, although he has never been pre check either. Once it was pointed out to me I could pre check, I was not sure what to do either because I had never considered it. It was great though! I did not get it on the return out of STL however, booked on the same ticket.

Jason
Guest
Since when was TSA Pre-Check an upgrade service? It’s a different security protocol. The reason that airline elites were invited first was not because it was a reward. It’s that the airlines screened them as the least risky passengers. Global Entry members have met with the TSA and submitted to a background check. They are low risk. It’s just a lower security protocol. I find it laughable that so DYKWIA people are complaining about others in their line. It’s not your line pal. It has nothing to do with status or loyalty. It’s about risk assessment. Get over it. Be… Read more »
NateInPhoenix
Guest

Nothing like airport security to expose the true, self-centered condition of the human spirit, eh? LOL.

Reese325
Member

Interesting about letting those without the pre-check status “sample” the pre-check service. I flew from Atlanta to Los Angeles last night; there was an airport security man standing outside the pre-check area, shooing away those without the appropriate documentation for pre-check.

DDD
Member

I work in the industry as so was involved in meetings when TSA was planning the roll out of pre-check in my airport. I asked our then-FSD whether the goal of pre-check was to reduce passenger wait times or to decrease TSA staffing. Dead silence. So, don’t expect pre-check to enhance your experience long-term. Rather, TSA will use the increased throughput to reduce the number of lanes they staff. They haven’t reduced the target wait times.

bgaggs
Member
There is more to it than that. I went through Pre check at IAD last week, and they sent me back through the metal detector 4 times, first made me take off my shoes, second made me take off my jacket, third made me take off my belt and watch, and 4th made me take everything out of my pockets. They also did the same to two people behind me. When I complained about it they lied and said it was their system randomly selecting for additional screening. I called them on that and pointed out that three out of… Read more »
Tom
Guest

When everyone gets TSA Pre-Check do things go back like they were before 9/11? Every airport will have a couple of body/luggage scanners and a few board TSA agents.

Dan
Guest
I noticed this in BOS this morning. They had the separate precheck line, but they used to have a hard divider after the BP scan between pre and the elite sides,, this morning they wee sending prechecks and elites through the same metal detector, and the agents were letting non precheck elites keep their does on. There were at least 20 people in the precheck line, and the weird thing was that my belt (which has never raised an alarm in about 20+ airports) buzzed this morning and I had to remove it.. I am a DL elite, plus I… Read more »
RICH
Guest
The first year of TSA Pre-Check was great….not having to take shoes off or computer out saves time… Now Pre Check can be delayed with all the Hip & Knee Replacements setting things off, along with all the “guest” try TSA pre check people. They usually do the additional “guest” people when the lines are long and they want to reduce the waiting time in line. I had 4 hip replacements in front of me at ORD last week and that really held things up waiting for someone to come check them. Washington DC is supposedly raising the TSA fee… Read more »
jaybru
Member
“Why is (insert whatever–parking lot operators, taxi lines, airports, airlines, TSA, etc.) Trying to Ruin (insert whatever you care about–parking service, taxi service, check-in, bag processing, airport-to-plane navigation, boarding que, etc.)? Giving due consideration to what are or what we think are our mental and physical capabilities, our life experiences and most importantly, how important we think we are! Couldn’t we just contract the whole shebang to the folks at FedEx or UPS to process everything for us? One big contractor handling everything for everybody. Or better yet, have Mr. Beznos handle it, with a pod there when we get… Read more »
malbarda
Member

I am signed up in the Global Entry program. When I travel DL I get TSA Pre everytime, whether I travel domestic or international. I am a MM Diamond with DL. I have NEVER gotten pre with AA, where I am just a Platinum. TSA Pre with DL = 100%. With all other airlines = 0%. Is this a DL deal? Or a DL MM Diamond deal?

Bravenav
Guest

You may need to make sure your Global Entry ID number is on your AA profile.

cahilldot
Member

on tuesday our jax pre-check was totally out all day and te reg lines were bad noone seemed to be able to fix it????

Nick Barnard
Member

I flew through OAK on Sunday. There was a TSA agent at the beginning of the line who had a tablet running a “TSA Randomizer” application that sent folks to the right or the left line. He just tapped it and sent people the way of the arrow. We got into the Pre line, and I had my hands swabbed, but my cousin who was right behind me didn’t, even though we were in the same line.

trackback

[…] The program allows travelers who give certain information to the government and pay a small fee to go through expedited security screening. For awhile, frequent travelers lauded it, saying they could speed through aircraft security. But as more people have become eligible to use it, many have said queues have gotten a lot longer. (For more, check out Brett Snyder’s recent post: Why is the TSA Trying to Ruin Pre Check?) […]

Jmburkett
Guest
I have been qualified as Pre Check since day 1. I have GE so I have been 100% for two years. Now the lines are long and full of idiots. Here is my solution. I have a CLEAR account. CLEAR is always next to Pre. No one uses CLEAR because it is $180 per year. However, when the line at Pre is long, I use CLEAR and I get the triple beep and CLEAR escorts me to the front of Pre and past the line. It’s worth it now. My home airport is DEN so I have access to CLEAR.… Read more »
Steve E.
Guest
A couple of months ago, I was flying out of SEA, and they funneled everyone through pre-check. Those of us who don’t fly pre-check normally, but fly enough to be prepared for regular check, were almost at a loss of what to do. It seemed to me like a drug dealer saying “The first one is on us, sign up here and tell your friends…” People were confused as what to do. Every fourth or fifth person would get a swab-&-scan through a machine, which seemed to be random. I just felt bad for those who paid and had to… Read more »
Frank
Guest

Last time I went through UA Premier @ Terminal 6 LAX the pre-check line was significantly longer than the Premier Line. So much for the convenience of precheck. The ROI for submitting to a background check should be convenience . When its non-existent what’s the payback?

Susan
Guest

Had this happen this week in PHL. The TSA agent was telling all these precheck people they could get into the precheck line — wrapped three times around. Nope. Each of us clearly were weekly travelers knowing that even taking our shoes off and laptops out, we’d still beat that line. I was just about to pay for GE for my weekly trips and enjoy precheck but now I’m not so sure.

Travel Weary
Guest
The TSA announced almost a year ago that they were going to roll out an additional way to get travelers in the Precheck lanes – TSA Application Program. This is the program that costs $85. The difference in this program versus the other Trusted Traveler programs (Global Entry, Nexus, Sentri) is that no passport is needed and travelers don’t have to travel to an international interview location (US/CA border, US/MX border or international airport). Interview and fingerprinting will be done near their local airport. Many people do not have passports because they don’t travel internationally. These folks would have to… Read more »
Neil
Guest
There’s another way TSA is bungling pre-check: Last week, when I flew through San Jose, they had completely closed off the entrance to pre-check line; after waiting in the non-precheck line, I was told by the agent that I had pre-check and could avoid the body scanner (and pass through the metal detector if I handed another agent my boarding card), but I would still have to remove my liquids/gels and laptop(s) due to the combined line. I don’t care about the body scanner — at SJC, oftentimes, it is quicker to use the body scanner than the x-ray because… Read more »
Janet
Guest

Interesting, we have neither paid for nor requested Precheck, yet the designation appears on our boarding passes. We are frequent travelers, Senior Citizens and not elite members of any airline. As I said, interesting….

D
Guest
Travelling with my family (wife and child) only to have it never work for my wife, with the option to split up the family or deal with the TSA opening ever single bottle and can of baby food and wasting our time. Glad I went through the whole application and interview process and paid the TSA their extortion… for NOTHING! I’m 1 for 8 so far (2 ppl x 2 trips x round(2)) * First round trip, neither my wife or I got selected on either end * Second round trip, departure, I get selected. Wife denied. Family split up… Read more »
Ashley D
Guest

As a sidenote, there are frequent flyers with pre check who must remove their shoes to avoid setting off metal detectors. Every week someone behind me makes a snarky comment about not having to remove shoes. In fact, I know which of my shoes set off the metal detector and remove them to avoid slowing up the line. Just something to keep in mind (although I do agree that many people don’t know what they’re doing)

Cee
Guest
Some of you say security is theater. Some complain about “radiation” ( sorry to say this folks but you’ve been exposed to radiation since you were born). Etc Etc. You choose to fly (there are other modes and means of transportation) so I say just deal with it. Would you rather fly in and out of Korea where they carry guns and they go through your bag literally for you and then tell you you’re okay to go but you have to pack up your own stuff and you better do it in a timely matter. Everything has it’s kinks… Read more »
Loryn S
Guest
I have read all of the comments in this thread and I have to say that the system is flawed. But what government sponsored company such as TSA is perfect? Hardly none! However, that being said i have a huge issue with TSA Pre-Check. I have researched and researched this one specific topic and no one can give me a straight answer. Here are my qualifications: – DL DM – I log approximately 135K miles domestic each year – I travel to Canada about 10 times a year – I have NEXUS and Global Entry – Due to NEXUS i… Read more »
Jeff
Guest

San Diego just got rid of their Alaska Air MVP Gold priority line, and replace it with TSA-Pre. *sigh*

Taiwo
Guest

Here is one thing they dont tell you about Global Entry. If you are a Permanent resident of the US, and you are from certain countries (In my case its nigeria) even though you are sign up for global Entry you will NOT be cleared for pre check ever unless you sign up for TSA Pre specifically. Just a warning for everyone, cos I signed up for Global Entry just to learn later that I will not be allowed to participate in TSA Pre because of my country of birth

Shawn
Guest
@Loryn- Similar qualifications as you and the same exact experiences. I would say my hit rate for PC is a little higher, but the same frustrations exist. I’m in and out of Philadelphia a lot and since they’ve opened the floodgates you essentially have a skewed population of older, inexperienced travelers going through one lane, while the standard security lines (of which there are 4-6 at any given time) are largely empty. So my confusion in all of this is multi-dimensional: On the one hand, TSA Pre-Check is supposed to be about pre-screened security, yet it is a known fact… Read more »
Forrest
Guest
I too have noticed an influx of ‘non frequent travelers’ in the NEXUS line. Like most people who fly fairly regularly (probably about 15 flights a year for me), I know the drill, and have things arranged that pulling my 3-1-1 bag out of my carryon and unzipping my checkpoint friendly laptop bag takes about 30 seconds at most. Along with shoe removal, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate not having to do those things in the Pre line. But the favorite thing I liked about the Pre line was that I didn’t have to deal with the masses… Read more »
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[…] Precheck lines are generally shorter and move faster than regular ones. But there has been some grumbling of late that Precheck is no longer as quick as it once was. […]

Bruce Abrahams
Guest

My wife paid $85 for TSA pre-check for special line and quickness through security. It is currently not implemented as they fill the line with people who haven’t paid the fee. We feel ripped off.

babs
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Yes it seems that the line for the pre check gets longer and longer, more random pre checks given to folks who have no idea what to do in the line. People with pets, people taking their shoes off and all their items out of their carry on luggage. Anyone have any idea how long this idiocy is going to continue? Seriously, if they want to expand the program, do it for those who are willing to pay, fly frequently and learn how it works. Grumpy after the last trip…the cat did it….

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