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	<title>Comments on: Exploring Air New Zealand&#8217;s New Long Haul Cabin with Beds in Coach</title>
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		<title>By: Tasman Traveller</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/26/exploring-air-new-zealands-new-long-haul-cabin-with-beds-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-159393</link>
		<dc:creator>Tasman Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly any recline, and, at your height, realistically none, as you eat into your own leg room by reclining. I doubt you could actually fit into the premium economy &quot;unspace&quot; seats as the pitch is ridiculously close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardly any recline, and, at your height, realistically none, as you eat into your own leg room by reclining. I doubt you could actually fit into the premium economy &#8220;unspace&#8221; seats as the pitch is ridiculously close.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/26/exploring-air-new-zealands-new-long-haul-cabin-with-beds-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-124366</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you click a button on your seat or something and the foot rest unlocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you click a button on your seat or something and the foot rest unlocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/26/exploring-air-new-zealands-new-long-haul-cabin-with-beds-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-124364</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you do get a seatbelt when you sleep on the skycouch and is CAA approved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you do get a seatbelt when you sleep on the skycouch and is CAA approved.</p>
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		<title>By: TAP Portugal is the Best Airline In The World&#8230;. No Wait!! It&#8217;s Air New Zealand&#8230; No Wait &#124; The Airline Service Guru</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/26/exploring-air-new-zealands-new-long-haul-cabin-with-beds-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-100794</link>
		<dc:creator>TAP Portugal is the Best Airline In The World&#8230;. No Wait!! It&#8217;s Air New Zealand&#8230; No Wait &#124; The Airline Service Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 02:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Morgan International Airline Satisfaction Survey in Australia. Now this ranking I can agree with, due to the couch seats in economy, and a crapload of amenities in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Air New Zealands new long haul cabins &#171; EJ Cameron</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/26/exploring-air-new-zealands-new-long-haul-cabin-with-beds-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-94564</link>
		<dc:creator>Air New Zealands new long haul cabins &#171; EJ Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog post from Cranky Flier with a youtube video walk thru tour of the new cabins, conducted by airline group manager Ed Simms: Exploring Air New Zealand&#8217;s New Long Haul Cabin with Beds in Coach [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog post from Cranky Flier with a youtube video walk thru tour of the new cabins, conducted by airline group manager Ed Simms: Exploring Air New Zealand&#8217;s New Long Haul Cabin with Beds in Coach [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Air New Zealand new longhaul product - the details - Musings of The Global Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Air New Zealand new longhaul product - the details - Musings of The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read Cranky Flier&#8217;s take on the new product here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can read Cranky Flier&#8217;s take on the new product here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Baz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The centre seats face outwards not inwards.  They also enable your travel companion to lie flat in a curved position, so long as you don&#039;t mind their feet or head (oooooo eeerrrr) on your lap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The centre seats face outwards not inwards.  They also enable your travel companion to lie flat in a curved position, so long as you don&#8217;t mind their feet or head (oooooo eeerrrr) on your lap.</p>
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		<title>By: The Global Traveller</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/26/exploring-air-new-zealands-new-long-haul-cabin-with-beds-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-93051</link>
		<dc:creator>The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-92902&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;What a timely article. I was planning to fly to NZ in March 2010 and utilize the Brett’s services.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Air NZ new longhaul product won&#039;t be flying until December 2010.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-92942&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Simon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Steven wrote:
@TheGlobalTraveller So you’re saying that if you buy two seats and get the middle one at half price, you then don’t pay the $150? And if there’s three of you then in effect you just pay $50 extra each?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. Unlike CF I think this surcharge won&#039;t change much since it is all bonus money (same number of seats are sold). Whereas for a couple the 25% (each) skycouch surcharge may well go up once Air NZ has assessed real demand (since they sell one less seat).

@kt74 - having skycouch in the middle section complicates inventory and revenue management. For starters they&#039;d need a different (significantly higher) price for the longer skycouch to make up for loss of an extra seat. Would there be enough passengers buying if it costs a lot more? Perhaps not if it gets close to premium economy fares.

@CF and @Miles - Air NZ already has fairly thin seats so I think it will mean 1&quot; less room for the legs, compared to 747 and 1&quot; more compared to 777. While 1&quot; is noticeable, many people don&#039;t realise there is actually 2&quot; variation in pitch through the cabin already due to placement of bulkheads and emergency exits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-92902" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Jeff</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>What a timely article. I was planning to fly to NZ in March 2010 and utilize the Brett’s services.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Air NZ new longhaul product won&#8217;t be flying until December 2010.</p>
<p><b><a href="#comment-92942" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Simon</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Steven wrote:<br />
@TheGlobalTraveller So you’re saying that if you buy two seats and get the middle one at half price, you then don’t pay the $150? And if there’s three of you then in effect you just pay $50 extra each?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. Unlike CF I think this surcharge won&#8217;t change much since it is all bonus money (same number of seats are sold). Whereas for a couple the 25% (each) skycouch surcharge may well go up once Air NZ has assessed real demand (since they sell one less seat).</p>
<p>@kt74 &#8211; having skycouch in the middle section complicates inventory and revenue management. For starters they&#8217;d need a different (significantly higher) price for the longer skycouch to make up for loss of an extra seat. Would there be enough passengers buying if it costs a lot more? Perhaps not if it gets close to premium economy fares.</p>
<p>@CF and @Miles &#8211; Air NZ already has fairly thin seats so I think it will mean 1&#8243; less room for the legs, compared to 747 and 1&#8243; more compared to 777. While 1&#8243; is noticeable, many people don&#8217;t realise there is actually 2&#8243; variation in pitch through the cabin already due to placement of bulkheads and emergency exits.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-92955&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Miles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Losing an inch of pitch may be fine for shorter persons, but it’s not any fun for us taller guys.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not entirely clear what the loss of an inch does to legroom.  The seat may be thinner or it may be constructed in a way that doesn&#039;t take it into account.  It&#039;s not entirely clear what happens here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-92955" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Miles</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Losing an inch of pitch may be fine for shorter persons, but it’s not any fun for us taller guys.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely clear what the loss of an inch does to legroom.  The seat may be thinner or it may be constructed in a way that doesn&#8217;t take it into account.  It&#8217;s not entirely clear what happens here.</p>
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		<title>By: MEDAL: Air New Zealand Revolutionizes the Economy Seat With Skycouch &#124; Airline Workers Unite.</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEDAL: Air New Zealand Revolutionizes the Economy Seat With Skycouch &#124; Airline Workers Unite.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Information: * Video from 3news.co.nz * Review on the seats from CrankyFlier * Video of the Economy and Business Premiere from Air New Zealand * Check out the blog from Flight [...]</description>
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