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		<title>By: silvia</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/12/28/new-tsa-rules-actually-make-the-liquid-rule-look-rational/comment-page-2/#comment-100992</link>
		<dc:creator>silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 10:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These new TSA rules are making unhappy to air travelers including the “no moving for the last hour of the flight”. It is ridiculous. Now how one will spend time in plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These new TSA rules are making unhappy to air travelers including the “no moving for the last hour of the flight”. It is ridiculous. Now how one will spend time in plane.</p>
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		<title>By: David SFeastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SFeastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-91904&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ed Kelty&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Look at the positive side. After the “shoe bomber,” we had to take off our shoes. Now, logically, we should take off our underware. Due to the recession, sales of underware have been significantly down. Now, people will not want to be caught with old underware. This will be a boon for the garment industry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How funny I just read something like that over the last couple of weeks. A sure sign the economy is getting better is when the sale of mens underwear increases......lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-91904" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Ed Kelty</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Look at the positive side. After the “shoe bomber,” we had to take off our shoes. Now, logically, we should take off our underware. Due to the recession, sales of underware have been significantly down. Now, people will not want to be caught with old underware. This will be a boon for the garment industry.</p></blockquote>
<p>How funny I just read something like that over the last couple of weeks. A sure sign the economy is getting better is when the sale of mens underwear increases&#8230;&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Kelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the positive side. After the &quot;shoe bomber,&quot; we had to take off our shoes. Now, logically, we should take off our underware. Due to the recession, sales of underware have been significantly down. Now, people will not want to be caught with old underware. This will be a boon for the garment industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the positive side. After the &#8220;shoe bomber,&#8221; we had to take off our shoes. Now, logically, we should take off our underware. Due to the recession, sales of underware have been significantly down. Now, people will not want to be caught with old underware. This will be a boon for the garment industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Knee Jerk Security Measures are Annoying &#124; Airline Workers Unite.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knee Jerk Security Measures are Annoying &#124; Airline Workers Unite.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great perspectives on this incident I have enjoyed reading: * Dan Webb with Things in the Sky * Brett Snyder with Cranky Flier * Mary Kirby on her blog and via Twitter * Steven Frischling with Flying with Fish * How could this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] great perspectives on this incident I have enjoyed reading: * Dan Webb with Things in the Sky * Brett Snyder with Cranky Flier * Mary Kirby on her blog and via Twitter * Steven Frischling with Flying with Fish * How could this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-90563&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flyguy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;. I hope we adopt the Canadian system of not allowing any carry on luggage on the aircraft except for a book or meds or baby meals. Could you only imagine what a pleasant experience flying would be then. No boarding hassels, no luggage delays. pleanty of room in the aircraft. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why would this make flying pleasant?  For example, I&#039;ve had several late night arrivals in Denver where I have had to wait over 30 minutes for my baggage to arrive?  And of course, if the baggage is lost then you&#039;re really screwed.  At least with carry on even for a long trip I know have a fresh change of clothes onboard with me that won&#039;t get lost.  And for short 2 or 3 day trips I won&#039;t have to check in a bag at all and not piss away another 30 - hour wait to pick up the bag, waiting to check the bag in, et al.

And a lack of carry on doesn&#039;t mean plenty of room on the aircraft.  It only means plenty of room in the overhead bins.  It doesn&#039;t change seat pitch or width or anything else.  And it does mean more baggage under the aircraft.  And that could make for marginal decreases in cargo which could affect ticket prices.

And a lack of carry on does not mean boarding will be without hassels.  People will still sit in the wrong seats.  And there will still be some carry on items.  It just means that someone flying with a baby gets to drag a bag on board where those of use without such a thing, get stuck killing even more time in the airport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-90563" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">flyguy</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>. I hope we adopt the Canadian system of not allowing any carry on luggage on the aircraft except for a book or meds or baby meals. Could you only imagine what a pleasant experience flying would be then. No boarding hassels, no luggage delays. pleanty of room in the aircraft.
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<p>Why would this make flying pleasant?  For example, I&#8217;ve had several late night arrivals in Denver where I have had to wait over 30 minutes for my baggage to arrive?  And of course, if the baggage is lost then you&#8217;re really screwed.  At least with carry on even for a long trip I know have a fresh change of clothes onboard with me that won&#8217;t get lost.  And for short 2 or 3 day trips I won&#8217;t have to check in a bag at all and not piss away another 30 &#8211; hour wait to pick up the bag, waiting to check the bag in, et al.</p>
<p>And a lack of carry on doesn&#8217;t mean plenty of room on the aircraft.  It only means plenty of room in the overhead bins.  It doesn&#8217;t change seat pitch or width or anything else.  And it does mean more baggage under the aircraft.  And that could make for marginal decreases in cargo which could affect ticket prices.</p>
<p>And a lack of carry on does not mean boarding will be without hassels.  People will still sit in the wrong seats.  And there will still be some carry on items.  It just means that someone flying with a baby gets to drag a bag on board where those of use without such a thing, get stuck killing even more time in the airport.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-90286&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tommy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:

These rules do not accomplish anything except paper pushing.

The problem with rule 3 is that by it&#039;s very nature it breaks rule 2.  If you&#039;re an hour or less from landing, you have a decent idea of where you are both in terms of location and altitude.

As for rule 3, I&#039;m curious if there is an official exception in place for getting out of your seat during the last hour of the flight in case of an emergency, like the plane has to land on water or you&#039;re trying to subdue someone who&#039;s attempting to detonate an explosive.  I wouldn&#039;t put it past the TSA to fail to make such exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-90286" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Tommy</a></b>:</p>
<p>These rules do not accomplish anything except paper pushing.</p>
<p>The problem with rule 3 is that by it&#8217;s very nature it breaks rule 2.  If you&#8217;re an hour or less from landing, you have a decent idea of where you are both in terms of location and altitude.</p>
<p>As for rule 3, I&#8217;m curious if there is an official exception in place for getting out of your seat during the last hour of the flight in case of an emergency, like the plane has to land on water or you&#8217;re trying to subdue someone who&#8217;s attempting to detonate an explosive.  I wouldn&#8217;t put it past the TSA to fail to make such exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: COLUMBO</title>
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		<dc:creator>COLUMBO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-90606&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:
IF AIR MARSHALLS WERE ON BOARD DON&#039;T YOU THINK THEY \WOULD HAVE BEEN  THE ONE THAT TOOK TERRORIST UNDER CONTROLL OR ARE THEY AS INEFFICENT AS TSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-90606" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Michael</a></b>:<br />
IF AIR MARSHALLS WERE ON BOARD DON&#8217;T YOU THINK THEY \WOULD HAVE BEEN  THE ONE THAT TOOK TERRORIST UNDER CONTROLL OR ARE THEY AS INEFFICENT AS TSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where were the air marshalls on this flight?  I did not hear of any marhsall involvement in the news coverage, but maybe that was edited out for security reasons or something?  (Though I would think you would WANT terrorists to know that an air marshall was on a given flight.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were the air marshalls on this flight?  I did not hear of any marhsall involvement in the news coverage, but maybe that was edited out for security reasons or something?  (Though I would think you would WANT terrorists to know that an air marshall was on a given flight.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to who&#039;s responsible for what - the Dutch have just announced that millimetre wave body scanners will be installed and operating in about three weeks time.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6971582.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to who&#8217;s responsible for what &#8211; the Dutch have just announced that millimetre wave body scanners will be installed and operating in about three weeks time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6971582.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6971582.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-90543&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;texassweetpea&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;What does the TSA have to do with a flight that came from Nigeria anyway? That country has it’s own security, but TSA isn’t it. So stop slamming TSA!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good question.

To quote from TSA&#039;s own website: &quot;So while securing U.S. aviation security is critically important, equally important for TSA is working with international partners to secure the global transportation network.&quot;
 
http://www.tsa.gov/approach/harmonization.shtm

Thus, this is a TSA failure, too. 

Of course, we shouldn&#039;t be surprised that the Transportation Security Administration&#039;s work with its global partners is ineffective too, given the TSA&#039;s incompetence here in the USA.

Let&#039;s start over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-90543" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">texassweetpea</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>What does the TSA have to do with a flight that came from Nigeria anyway? That country has it’s own security, but TSA isn’t it. So stop slamming TSA!!</p></blockquote>
<p>Good question.</p>
<p>To quote from TSA&#8217;s own website: &#8220;So while securing U.S. aviation security is critically important, equally important for TSA is working with international partners to secure the global transportation network.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tsa.gov/approach/harmonization.shtm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsa.gov/approach/harmonization.shtm</a></p>
<p>Thus, this is a TSA failure, too. </p>
<p>Of course, we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that the Transportation Security Administration&#8217;s work with its global partners is ineffective too, given the TSA&#8217;s incompetence here in the USA.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start over!</p>
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