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		<title>By: New Tarmac Delay Rule Draws Praise, Criticism &#124; AeroChannel test</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/12/22/dot-mandates-passenger-bill-of-rights-and-im-not-happy/comment-page-2/#comment-97623</link>
		<dc:creator>New Tarmac Delay Rule Draws Praise, Criticism &#124; AeroChannel test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the most popular aviation bloggers, Brett Snyder, writing as the Cranky Flier, points out that if an aircraft has been sitting on the taxiway for 2 hours and 45 minutes, it will be forced to turn...: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the most popular aviation bloggers, Brett Snyder, writing as the Cranky Flier, points out that if an aircraft has been sitting on the taxiway for 2 hours and 45 minutes, it will be forced to turn&#8230;: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Hanni and I Talk About Delays, We Disagree (Part One) - Testing blog &#8211; Don&#39;t change this title to the same as onther blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Hanni and I Talk About Delays, We Disagree (Part One) - Testing blog &#8211; Don&#39;t change this title to the same as onther blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers of the blog know that I&#8217;m not a fan of the Passenger Bill of Rights. On the other side, we have Kate Hanni who thinks it&#8217;s absolutely necessary. When I saw this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] readers of the blog know that I&#8217;m not a fan of the Passenger Bill of Rights. On the other side, we have Kate Hanni who thinks it&#8217;s absolutely necessary. When I saw this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: US Passenger Bill of Rights - Musings of The Global Traveller</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/12/22/dot-mandates-passenger-bill-of-rights-and-im-not-happy/comment-page-2/#comment-93156</link>
		<dc:creator>US Passenger Bill of Rights - Musings of The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cranky Flier seems to share my concerns and brings up a few practical issues with the DOT mandate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cranky Flier seems to share my concerns and brings up a few practical issues with the DOT mandate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Passenger Bill of Rights, DOT Style &#171; Aviation</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/12/22/dot-mandates-passenger-bill-of-rights-and-im-not-happy/comment-page-2/#comment-91614</link>
		<dc:creator>Passenger Bill of Rights, DOT Style &#171; Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rule is not without problems from the air passenger&#8217;s point of view (see DOT Mandates Passenger Bill of Rights and I’m Not Happy by Cranky Flyer), but I maintain my previous position: the airlines brought this on themselves. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rule is not without problems from the air passenger&#8217;s point of view (see DOT Mandates Passenger Bill of Rights and I’m Not Happy by Cranky Flyer), but I maintain my previous position: the airlines brought this on themselves. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patrick ainge &#187; NYT: A Win For Airline Passengers(?)</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/12/22/dot-mandates-passenger-bill-of-rights-and-im-not-happy/comment-page-2/#comment-91200</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick ainge &#187; NYT: A Win For Airline Passengers(?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I suspected, those with more knowledge of the inner-workings of the air traffic system have come out with a laundry list of examples of why this is actually a bad [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I suspected, those with more knowledge of the inner-workings of the air traffic system have come out with a laundry list of examples of why this is actually a bad [...]</p>
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		<title>By: short hop</title>
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		<dc:creator>short hop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with the ruling.  It simply means that airports and airlines will have to do better prep work. People are not cattle, in that you can just put us anywhere. If there are 45 planes waiting for takeoff then putting people on a plane is just putting them into a cramped, uncomfortable, and smelly waiting room.  A person is a intelligent, thoughtful, and reasonable being.  People are frantic, nervous, dangerous, short tempered, unstable, creatures of comfort.  Putting them on a plane with no where to go for three hours is a gamble at best. This shows more of a lack of technological integration and logistics more than anything.  This ruling may be actually protecting the airlines from a very terrible outcome.  Any physiologist can tell you that the wrong mixture of people in this situation can lead to a catastrophic situation.  I also bet an airline would rather deplane and face no lawsuit than to have someone dead and facing a class action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with the ruling.  It simply means that airports and airlines will have to do better prep work. People are not cattle, in that you can just put us anywhere. If there are 45 planes waiting for takeoff then putting people on a plane is just putting them into a cramped, uncomfortable, and smelly waiting room.  A person is a intelligent, thoughtful, and reasonable being.  People are frantic, nervous, dangerous, short tempered, unstable, creatures of comfort.  Putting them on a plane with no where to go for three hours is a gamble at best. This shows more of a lack of technological integration and logistics more than anything.  This ruling may be actually protecting the airlines from a very terrible outcome.  Any physiologist can tell you that the wrong mixture of people in this situation can lead to a catastrophic situation.  I also bet an airline would rather deplane and face no lawsuit than to have someone dead and facing a class action.</p>
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		<title>By: The Global Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Cranky!

Thanks for the link to the ruling. I now have some reading matter for my next couple of flights to take  closer look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Cranky!</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the ruling. I now have some reading matter for my next couple of flights to take  closer look.</p>
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		<title>By: The Traveling Optimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Traveling Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - 

I forgot to answer your question about gate utilization as compared to 50% utility for long-shore docks.  The answer essentially is yes, there is a &quot;sweet spot&quot; with gates where having too few will cost a lot in delays and disruptions.  Equally, having too many will cost just as much in wasted expense.

Airlines plan the number of gates based on the high-water mark for traffic during any given day which, typically is early to mid-afternoon.  That&#039;s when the west coast flights hit Dallas, Chicago and other mid-west connecting points to east coast destinations.  Absolutely every usable aircraft in the fleet is in the air and heading somewhere so they need room.

If for any reason there is a disruption and suddenly there are more planes coming than can be physically accommodated there are a ton of options open to the airline depending on the city (hub or outpost) and weather.  From the farthest point out they can..

a)  &quot;Gate Hold&quot; the flight at the departure city.
b)  Put the less critical flights in to a holding pattern (plenty of fuel, no medical emergencies or large group connections)
c)  Divert the marginal flights (running on empty)
d)  Land the critical flights if possible (already on final, tight/large connections, medical or mechanical issues)
e)  &quot;Borrow&quot; a gate from another airline (usually the outpost cities) long enough to work the flight and get it out of the way.

Each flight, date, airport and weather scenario is different, as you can imagine but the long and short is, each airline plans enough gates for a normal operation.  They wish they had more during a bad-hair day but they&#039;d end up owning resources than they typically need all across the country.

Kinda like snow-removal equipment in Phoenix.  Who&#039;s gonna spend all that money for something they might use once in ten years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8211; </p>
<p>I forgot to answer your question about gate utilization as compared to 50% utility for long-shore docks.  The answer essentially is yes, there is a &#8220;sweet spot&#8221; with gates where having too few will cost a lot in delays and disruptions.  Equally, having too many will cost just as much in wasted expense.</p>
<p>Airlines plan the number of gates based on the high-water mark for traffic during any given day which, typically is early to mid-afternoon.  That&#8217;s when the west coast flights hit Dallas, Chicago and other mid-west connecting points to east coast destinations.  Absolutely every usable aircraft in the fleet is in the air and heading somewhere so they need room.</p>
<p>If for any reason there is a disruption and suddenly there are more planes coming than can be physically accommodated there are a ton of options open to the airline depending on the city (hub or outpost) and weather.  From the farthest point out they can..</p>
<p>a)  &#8220;Gate Hold&#8221; the flight at the departure city.<br />
b)  Put the less critical flights in to a holding pattern (plenty of fuel, no medical emergencies or large group connections)<br />
c)  Divert the marginal flights (running on empty)<br />
d)  Land the critical flights if possible (already on final, tight/large connections, medical or mechanical issues)<br />
e)  &#8220;Borrow&#8221; a gate from another airline (usually the outpost cities) long enough to work the flight and get it out of the way.</p>
<p>Each flight, date, airport and weather scenario is different, as you can imagine but the long and short is, each airline plans enough gates for a normal operation.  They wish they had more during a bad-hair day but they&#8217;d end up owning resources than they typically need all across the country.</p>
<p>Kinda like snow-removal equipment in Phoenix.  Who&#8217;s gonna spend all that money for something they might use once in ten years?</p>
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		<title>By: wb</title>
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		<dc:creator>wb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-89683&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:
Yes, and every resturant that gets your order wrong will now by law need to give you a free airline ticket</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-89683" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Ron</a></b>:<br />
Yes, and every resturant that gets your order wrong will now by law need to give you a free airline ticket</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-89783&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Stupid question, but what about the guy who thinks enough is enough and would rather wait for the next flight? Some cities are served as frequently as every hour. (I know that’s actually quite rare… one statistic that would be interesting would be to look at the frequencies between cities to see if a mean (average) wait time until next flight could be established. When I worked for UAX, a vast majority of our cities were served 4-5x per day… usually 4 hours between flights)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If there&#039;s a long delay, there&#039;s a good chance that the weather is bad and flights are canceling.  (Not always, I know, but there is a good chance.)  So sure, there might be someone who can wait until the next flight and get on but the chances of everyone else on the plane having that same suck is slim.  Why not just drop him off at the gate and then go back out?  Once you get back to the gate, crews may go illegal and then everyone may be screwed if the weather is bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-89783" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Dan</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Stupid question, but what about the guy who thinks enough is enough and would rather wait for the next flight? Some cities are served as frequently as every hour. (I know that’s actually quite rare… one statistic that would be interesting would be to look at the frequencies between cities to see if a mean (average) wait time until next flight could be established. When I worked for UAX, a vast majority of our cities were served 4-5x per day… usually 4 hours between flights)</p></blockquote>
<p>If there&#8217;s a long delay, there&#8217;s a good chance that the weather is bad and flights are canceling.  (Not always, I know, but there is a good chance.)  So sure, there might be someone who can wait until the next flight and get on but the chances of everyone else on the plane having that same suck is slim.  Why not just drop him off at the gate and then go back out?  Once you get back to the gate, crews may go illegal and then everyone may be screwed if the weather is bad.</p>
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