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		<title>By: myriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>myriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an architect, I freaked out when I saw your headline.  But looking at the plans -- they&#039;ve done a really nice job!  They&#039;re really paying homage to the old building -- I was afraid they were going to add some awkward addition onto the pristinely self-contained volume of the original terminal and thank goodness they have the vision to showcase it instead of eclipse it.  Preserving the sight lines on the approach to the terminal and adding that garden space at the back are both GREAT ideas.  The garden space in particular is a stroke of good design -- the original terminal already begins to engage palm trees and garden space where there is a hole cut into the roof overhang to allow a couple trees to grow up through it.  Very deco spirit.  Very nice!

Also -- I disagree, I thought the original terminal functions surprisingly well considering the enormous changes in aviation since that building was built.  I was expecting it to be a huge hassle and in fact have been very pleased with how usable it is.  You can&#039;t have an airport like that in any other climate than Southern California&#039;s -- we should be glad we have a unique opportunity to NOT let it become some dead, unimaginative museum! (aka mausoleum)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an architect, I freaked out when I saw your headline.  But looking at the plans &#8212; they&#8217;ve done a really nice job!  They&#8217;re really paying homage to the old building &#8212; I was afraid they were going to add some awkward addition onto the pristinely self-contained volume of the original terminal and thank goodness they have the vision to showcase it instead of eclipse it.  Preserving the sight lines on the approach to the terminal and adding that garden space at the back are both GREAT ideas.  The garden space in particular is a stroke of good design &#8212; the original terminal already begins to engage palm trees and garden space where there is a hole cut into the roof overhang to allow a couple trees to grow up through it.  Very deco spirit.  Very nice!</p>
<p>Also &#8212; I disagree, I thought the original terminal functions surprisingly well considering the enormous changes in aviation since that building was built.  I was expecting it to be a huge hassle and in fact have been very pleased with how usable it is.  You can&#8217;t have an airport like that in any other climate than Southern California&#8217;s &#8212; we should be glad we have a unique opportunity to NOT let it become some dead, unimaginative museum! (aka mausoleum)</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-88631&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Any idea what they’re doing there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So there&#039;s always been some level of military activity at the airport, but it has increased significantly this year.  The reason?  Los Alamitos has shut their main runway down to be refurbed, so the traffic has been diverted to LGB.  I believe it&#039;s training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-88631" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Ron</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Any idea what they’re doing there?</p></blockquote>
<p>So there&#8217;s always been some level of military activity at the airport, but it has increased significantly this year.  The reason?  Los Alamitos has shut their main runway down to be refurbed, so the traffic has been diverted to LGB.  I believe it&#8217;s training.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky, here&#039;s an off-topic LGB question: I noticed that every weekend (or at least most weekends), either on Saturday or Sunday, a pair of F/A-18 Hornets come to LGB, do a go-around, and then land. Any idea what they&#039;re doing there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky, here&#8217;s an off-topic LGB question: I noticed that every weekend (or at least most weekends), either on Saturday or Sunday, a pair of F/A-18 Hornets come to LGB, do a go-around, and then land. Any idea what they&#8217;re doing there?</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-88600&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you seen the 2 new bars in each of the respective double-wides?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t recall seeing that, but it&#039;s entirely possible.  The airport has really tried to make the best of an overcrowded situation.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-88602&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nicholas Barnard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This outdoor baggage claim intrigues me. Can we get pictures next time you’re there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No need to wait, thanks to the internet.  There are really 3 claim areas.  The southernmost is a straight conveyor that you can see here.  It&#039;s sometimes used by JetBlue:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18575617@N03/2048790019/sizes/l/

The next one is the main baggage claim for JetBlue and it has some curves built-in to offer more space.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emerika/534239124/sizes/l/

The northernmost actually looks a lot like the southernmost one and it&#039;s used by the other airlines.  There&#039;s shelter over them all in case it rains, but they&#039;re all open air and quite pleasant.  Burbank has something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-88600" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Brad</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Have you seen the 2 new bars in each of the respective double-wides?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall seeing that, but it&#8217;s entirely possible.  The airport has really tried to make the best of an overcrowded situation.</p>
<p><b><a href="#comment-88602" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Nicholas Barnard</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>This outdoor baggage claim intrigues me. Can we get pictures next time you’re there?</p></blockquote>
<p>No need to wait, thanks to the internet.  There are really 3 claim areas.  The southernmost is a straight conveyor that you can see here.  It&#8217;s sometimes used by JetBlue:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/18575617@N03/2048790019/sizes/l/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/18575617@N03/2048790019/sizes/l/</a></p>
<p>The next one is the main baggage claim for JetBlue and it has some curves built-in to offer more space.<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/emerika/534239124/sizes/l/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/emerika/534239124/sizes/l/</a></p>
<p>The northernmost actually looks a lot like the southernmost one and it&#8217;s used by the other airlines.  There&#8217;s shelter over them all in case it rains, but they&#8217;re all open air and quite pleasant.  Burbank has something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: David SFeastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SFeastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-88602&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nicholas Barnard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This outdoor baggage claim intrigues me. Can we get pictures next time you’re there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Orange County(SNA) terminal used to be like that also. The area was covered, but you are outside alone the sidewalk. The conveyor belt was oval and came out a hole in the wall and went for aways looping around and back into a second hole in the wall, then it would come around again. The other side of the wall was the interior baggage area for the ramp workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-88602" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Nicholas Barnard</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>This outdoor baggage claim intrigues me. Can we get pictures next time you’re there?</p></blockquote>
<p>The Orange County(SNA) terminal used to be like that also. The area was covered, but you are outside alone the sidewalk. The conveyor belt was oval and came out a hole in the wall and went for aways looping around and back into a second hole in the wall, then it would come around again. The other side of the wall was the interior baggage area for the ramp workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Barnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Barnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This outdoor baggage claim intrigues me.  Can we get pictures next time you&#039;re there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This outdoor baggage claim intrigues me.  Can we get pictures next time you&#8217;re there?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen the 2 new bars in each of the respective double-wides?  Yes, you heard me, a real sit down bar, with real booze.  Granted, you can only drink behind the barriers, and not in the entire gate area, but I did find out that they are having to put it in now, so it cna be incorporated into the new setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen the 2 new bars in each of the respective double-wides?  Yes, you heard me, a real sit down bar, with real booze.  Granted, you can only drink behind the barriers, and not in the entire gate area, but I did find out that they are having to put it in now, so it cna be incorporated into the new setup.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-88597&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Any idea how this will affect parking rates?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
My understanding is that it shouldn&#039;t have much of an impact.  Some of the more recent rate hikes should help pay for this.  In addition, the lease expense on Lot D isn&#039;t cheap, so there will be tremendous cost savings when that and the shuttle operation go away.  So it shouldn&#039;t have a major impact, and going forward, everyone will be able to walk to the terminal.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-88597&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, any word on improving transit to LGB?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is a pet peeve of mine.  I actually received a call for an LB Transit survey recently and that was my number 1 complaint.  I ride LB Transit around town, but I would never take it to the airport.  It takes way too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-88597" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Ron</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Any idea how this will affect parking rates?</p></blockquote>
<p>My understanding is that it shouldn&#8217;t have much of an impact.  Some of the more recent rate hikes should help pay for this.  In addition, the lease expense on Lot D isn&#8217;t cheap, so there will be tremendous cost savings when that and the shuttle operation go away.  So it shouldn&#8217;t have a major impact, and going forward, everyone will be able to walk to the terminal.</p>
<p><b><a href="#comment-88597" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Ron</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Also, any word on improving transit to LGB?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a pet peeve of mine.  I actually received a call for an LB Transit survey recently and that was my number 1 complaint.  I ride LB Transit around town, but I would never take it to the airport.  It takes way too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any idea how this will affect parking rates? I find it a bit silly that the lowest daily rate at LGB ($11 for the remote lot) is higher than at LAX ($10 for lot B after last month&#039;s fare hike, and still as low as $6.50 with some private operators). I&#039;d bet the $11 fare will go away when lot D does, and we might even see the other rates increase to pay for the garage. Terminal parking is currently a bargain compared to LAX, but if I need to leave my car for a few days then LAX has a price advantage.

Also, any word on improving transit to LGB? It is currently served by one slow bus route on an approximately half-hourly schedule. Some obvious improvements would be to iron out some curves in route 111, add an airport loop to 102 to enable cross-town and Blue Line connectivity (M-F only), and extend Metro 266 to enable Green line connectivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any idea how this will affect parking rates? I find it a bit silly that the lowest daily rate at LGB ($11 for the remote lot) is higher than at LAX ($10 for lot B after last month&#8217;s fare hike, and still as low as $6.50 with some private operators). I&#8217;d bet the $11 fare will go away when lot D does, and we might even see the other rates increase to pay for the garage. Terminal parking is currently a bargain compared to LAX, but if I need to leave my car for a few days then LAX has a price advantage.</p>
<p>Also, any word on improving transit to LGB? It is currently served by one slow bus route on an approximately half-hourly schedule. Some obvious improvements would be to iron out some curves in route 111, add an airport loop to 102 to enable cross-town and Blue Line connectivity (M-F only), and extend Metro 266 to enable Green line connectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!!! Phase 1 of the Airport Expansion project under way. Why do I call it an airport expansion project?  Hear me out...

Phase 1 - Complete the parking structures
Phase 2 - Complete Terminal upgrades
Phase 3 - United, Continental, Southwest all ask the FAA to review LBMC 16.43, and look into it as a &quot;Barrier of Entry&quot;. The residents of Newport Beach fund all of the legal fees (and bribery.. err, lobbying efforts) involved for those airlines. :) 

I seem to recall that UA was the only airline to object to the Slot Settlement Agreement of yesteryear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!!! Phase 1 of the Airport Expansion project under way. Why do I call it an airport expansion project?  Hear me out&#8230;</p>
<p>Phase 1 &#8211; Complete the parking structures<br />
Phase 2 &#8211; Complete Terminal upgrades<br />
Phase 3 &#8211; United, Continental, Southwest all ask the FAA to review LBMC 16.43, and look into it as a &#8220;Barrier of Entry&#8221;. The residents of Newport Beach fund all of the legal fees (and bribery.. err, lobbying efforts) involved for those airlines. :) </p>
<p>I seem to recall that UA was the only airline to object to the Slot Settlement Agreement of yesteryear.</p>
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