Frontier Sends A319s to Milwaukee, Republic Sends Embraers to Denver

Well, well. It looks like the Republic Airways integration has now begun. In November, we’ll start seeing Frontier A319s flying out of Milwaukee under the Midwest name. Later that month, we’ll also be seeing Republic Embraer 190s come out to Denver to fly for Frontier.

The A319s will be doing the kind of flying you’d expect from Milwaukee – longer haul and Florida (where Frontier Moves Planes to Milwaukeevolume is king). The flights to Vegas, Phoenix, and LA (including my holiday flight this year) will be on A319s as will flights to Orlando. Later that month, another airplane will start flying to Tampa and Ft Myers.

You’ll remember that the LA flight was supposed to be operated by the long range Embraer 190s, but that’s not the case anymore. So where will those airplanes go? They’re heading to Denver to make up for the loss of the A319s. Those will be spread on flights throughout the Frontier system.

It appears that the A319 flights will be operated as Midwest Airlines flights but they’ll be flown by Frontier crews. Go to midwestairlines.com and do a search. You’ll see they say some flights are operated by Frontier Airlines just like you’d expect to see from a regional carrier. (Those flights don’t show up on frontierairlines.com.) This is just what I thought might happen to Frontier, and I think it’s smart. Putting the A319s on longer haul and high demand routes like Florida in the winter makes a lot of sense. It allows Republic to shift capacity to better match demand now that it has a more flexible fleet.

These flights were apparently just loaded because you can see the Embraers in Denver on frontierairlines.com and the A319s in Milwaukee on midwestairlines.com, but I don’t see them anywhere else yet. I imagine it will be loaded into the other reservation systems this week.

And now, to answer the most important question on all your minds . . . will there still be cookies on the A319? It seems the answer is yes. On the Midwest site, it clearly states that there will be “Best Care Cuisine” on these flights. That includes fresh-baked cookies. Whew. I know you were concerned.

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Nimitz
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very interesting, and smart.

David
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2 airlines end up merging, and using their combined fleet are now better able to match airplane capacity to passenger demand across routes and during the year. Doesn’t that happen in every airline merger ?

dan
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Will the 190s/319s be repainted?

Andrew
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David wrote: Doesn’t that happen in every airline merger ? What seems to make this unique, in my limited understanding of the industry and Cranky’s post (someone please correct me if I’m wrong here), but Republic now controls an unusual range of aircraft in some very advantageous seating capacities. Efficient, longer-haul A319’s that aren’t so big that they’re difficult to fill, but big enough to be cash cows on popular routes, and similarly efficient Embraers for routes that the legacy carriers would end up farming out to a regional partner — instead, Republic can control both types of routes with… Read more »
lrosenberg
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I looked up the Midwest Air site and noticed that there are no non stop flights to either Ft Lauderdale or West Palm Beach which is to bad because of United pull;ing out of there from ORD the only choice for those of us who go often is AA

David SF eastbay
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The one thing is since Republic is the ‘commuter’ carriers for larger airlines, whenever a larger carriers cut back on the commuter flights even for a short time, Repulbic can put those planes in service with Midwest or Frontier. I wonder how much all this with change the ‘big guys’ and their dealing with Republic.

Oliver
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@Andrew — US Airways has E190s in their mainline fleet, AFAIK.

http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/aboutus/partnersfleet/fleet.aspx

Nick Barnard
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Andrew wrote: David wrote: Are there any legacy carriers that fly their *own* regional jets, versus contacting that flying to companies like Republic? The only problem I see with Frontier flying Midwest/Republic Embraers is the lack of the seat-back DIRECTV on those planes. It’s certainly a feature that sets them apart from Southwest — I don’t know that people necessarily would choose Frontier *just* because of that or anything, but, all these different planes and brands does make it hard to manage sets of amenities. I might be answering a rhetorical question, but I’m known for that.. With the exception… Read more »
Ryan
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CF wrote: That’s the thing – they aren’t merging. They’re operating as two separate brands but they’re going to be able to redeploy capacity across multiple subdivisions. With Midwest passengers flying on planes that say “Frontier”, and Frontier passengers flying on planes that say “Midwest” or “Republic” or whatever… It may seem trivial to some, but it matters to many…just ask New York Jets fans if they like watching their team play in Giants Stadium (especially back when they didn’t even change the turf in the end zones between games). Jets attendance and popularity has lagged for years, and I’m… Read more »
Nick Barnard
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I smell Eurowhite coming!

Wonko Beeblebrox
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@ Ryan:
If Republic wants to make a real go at the mainline commercial air business, they’re going to have to pick a name (Hey, how about “Republic”?) and paint all of their aircraft to reflect it

Tell that to Alaska/Horizon.

Wonko Beeblebrox
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Nicholas Barnard wrote:

With the exception of US Airways operating the E190 there aren’t any mainline airlines that operate regional jets.

Jetblue?

PF
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back to the cookies –
Do the Frontier jets have ovens?

Nick Barnard
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@ Wonko Beeblebrox:
Honestly, I don’t consider the E190 to be a regional jet. But as it had been mentioned earlier as a regional jet I threw it in.

I did mention that JetBlue had the E190’s later on..

Nick Barnard
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PF wrote:

back to the cookies –
Do the Frontier jets have ovens?

Nope, Republic is taking a page from this line of thought and cooking the cookies right against the engines. Those FAs? They get hazard pay.

MidwestAirlines
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I saw your comments and I thought I would help answer a couple of questions and calm those cookie fears. PF wrote: back to the cookies – Do the Frontier jets have ovens? Yes there will be cookies served onboard those A319 flights, so you will always be able to enjoy your favorite snack onboard any Midwest flight under this extended codeshare agreement. Lee wrote: I looked up the Midwest Air site and noticed that there are no non stop flights to either Ft Lauderdale or West Palm Beach which is to bad because of United pull;ing out of there… Read more »
SEAN
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Easy bake ovens? LOL

Andrew
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Frontier’s A319’s do have ovens. Last time I flew Frontier I was loitering up in the galley waiting for the loo. Being curious and obnoxious, I of course look around at everything and saw them — two, side by side above where the carts stow. I thought it was weird that they were there, since Frontier doesn’t serve any hot meals, but figured all larger planes had them or something.

Oliver
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@Andrew

United’s TED A320s had oven(s) in the back galley, supposedly for crew meals. UA’s former shuttle 737 had no ovens, and thus even after they disbanded the Shuttle experiment, no hot food on those planes.

Walter
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@ Oliver:

Let us not forget that US Airways is contemplating the removing the 190s from their fleet.

dan powers
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I am not sure how long these comments are stored…but I predict this whole experiment….republic=operating YX , F9, chataqua,mokulele, shuttle america, Lynx on 7 separte certificates…with 10 types of aircraft a318, a319,a320, B717, emb190, emb 170, emb 145, dhc8-400, crj-200, ce-208….. will not work.

Allen
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There are plenty of good ideas out there. The key in business is execution. Can Republic really pull this off? It sounds like right off the bat they’re going to have some Frontier customers disappointed by the lack of TV and no animal on the tail. Those might not sound like a big deal but they’re a big part of why Frontier is Frontier. The key for Republic now is not going to be ideas but execution. I don’t have a lot of faith that they’re going to pull off running + building not one but 2 brands – Midwest… Read more »
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Tank
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Im just curious as to what will happen to Midwest Signature seats. I booked one for a December flight and am not pleased with the switch to Frontier A319 planes. Will they put signature seating in this aircraft?

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