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	<title>Comments on: Southwest Details Its Frontier Bid and I Like It</title>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/11/southwest-details-its-frontier-bid-and-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-77337</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77315&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David SFeastbay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;WN has annouced that it’s bid for Frontier was not selected at the auction.
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Indeed.  This week has been record-breaking with the amount of news.  I need to wrap my head around this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-77315" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">David SFeastbay</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>WN has annouced that it’s bid for Frontier was not selected at the auction.
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<p>Indeed.  This week has been record-breaking with the amount of news.  I need to wrap my head around this one.</p>
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		<title>By: David SFeastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SFeastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WN has annouced that it&#039;s bid for Frontier was not selected at the auction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WN has annouced that it&#8217;s bid for Frontier was not selected at the auction.</p>
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		<title>By: DRG</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/11/southwest-details-its-frontier-bid-and-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-77308</link>
		<dc:creator>DRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77240&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oldiesfan6479&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:

Scandinavian (as brands itself now) is buying more Q400s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-77240" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">oldiesfan6479</a></b>:</p>
<p>Scandinavian (as brands itself now) is buying more Q400s.</p>
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		<title>By: DRG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Southwest made reaching an agreement between its pilots and Frontier pilots a condition for its bid.  Has Southwest ever met a pilot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Southwest made reaching an agreement between its pilots and Frontier pilots a condition for its bid.  Has Southwest ever met a pilot?</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/11/southwest-details-its-frontier-bid-and-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-77255</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77254&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Allan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why does Southwest hate on the Airbus’ Frontier uses? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They simply don&#039;t want to operate a second fleet type that is used for the same purpose as their existing 737s.  That doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t upgrade their own cabins with TV if they wanted to, but I&#039;d be surprised.  I do think fleetwide wifi is more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-77254" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Allan</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why does Southwest hate on the Airbus’ Frontier uses?
</p></blockquote>
<p>They simply don&#8217;t want to operate a second fleet type that is used for the same purpose as their existing 737s.  That doesn&#8217;t mean they can&#8217;t upgrade their own cabins with TV if they wanted to, but I&#8217;d be surprised.  I do think fleetwide wifi is more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Southwest hate on the Airbus&#039; Frontier uses?  I&#039;m an A List member on Southwest with a ton a rapid reward tickets.  I also vacation in Mexico a lot and in the past have used the LAX to Cabo route on Frontier.  I love their planes.  The cabin is much more attractive than the Southwest 737&#039;s.  

It would be nice to see Southwest use those planes and maybe bring seat back entertainment to their existing 737&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Southwest hate on the Airbus&#8217; Frontier uses?  I&#8217;m an A List member on Southwest with a ton a rapid reward tickets.  I also vacation in Mexico a lot and in the past have used the LAX to Cabo route on Frontier.  I love their planes.  The cabin is much more attractive than the Southwest 737&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>It would be nice to see Southwest use those planes and maybe bring seat back entertainment to their existing 737&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/11/southwest-details-its-frontier-bid-and-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-77242</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77240&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oldiesfan6479&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:
It actually wasn&#039;t intended, but pretty good eh? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-77240" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">oldiesfan6479</a></b>:<br />
It actually wasn&#8217;t intended, but pretty good eh? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: oldiesfan6479</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldiesfan6479</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77227&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:A Q400 lists for about $25 million, but you can bet they could get some for cheaper than that. If not from Bombardier, SAS probably has some lying around . . .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lying around--was that &quot;pun intended&quot;?  As in...gear collapsed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-77227" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">CF</a></b> wrote:A Q400 lists for about $25 million, but you can bet they could get some for cheaper than that. If not from Bombardier, SAS probably has some lying around . . .</p>
<p>Lying around&#8211;was that &#8220;pun intended&#8221;?  As in&#8230;gear collapsed?</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77234&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ATLguy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Cranky and other commenters:
I have been laughing everytime people state in blog posts or news articles about how this will “get Southwest into Atlanta.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re suggesting that I said that or not, but I certainly did not.  It is true that this will &quot;get Southwest into Atlanta&quot; in the sense that they aren&#039;t there now.  But have they been barred from flying to Atlanta before?  No.  They could get in there if they wanted, but they&#039;ve chosen not to.  So I think the only thing that had been keeping them out is time.  They&#039;ve opened four cities that they felt were more important this year, and Atlanta had to be sitting there on a short list.

I think that Atlanta may look a lot like LaGuardia.  It&#039;s a spoke in the system that exists so that Southwest customers around the country can get to all major cities.  Atlanta is one of those, and they should fly there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="#comment-77234" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">ATLguy</a></b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Cranky and other commenters:<br />
I have been laughing everytime people state in blog posts or news articles about how this will “get Southwest into Atlanta.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re suggesting that I said that or not, but I certainly did not.  It is true that this will &#8220;get Southwest into Atlanta&#8221; in the sense that they aren&#8217;t there now.  But have they been barred from flying to Atlanta before?  No.  They could get in there if they wanted, but they&#8217;ve chosen not to.  So I think the only thing that had been keeping them out is time.  They&#8217;ve opened four cities that they felt were more important this year, and Atlanta had to be sitting there on a short list.</p>
<p>I think that Atlanta may look a lot like LaGuardia.  It&#8217;s a spoke in the system that exists so that Southwest customers around the country can get to all major cities.  Atlanta is one of those, and they should fly there.</p>
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		<title>By: ATLguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATLguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky and other commenters: 
I have been laughing everytime people state in blog posts or news articles about how this will &quot;get Southwest into Atlanta.&quot; 

Two questions: 
1.) What kept Southwest out of Atlanta before? 

Especially if your answer is &quot;gates&quot; then please answer the following: 
2.) Do you realize Frontier has zero gates in Atlanta presently? 

Frontier uses the Midwest Airlines gate (owned by Midwest) and subleases half of Midwest&#039;s ticket counter, and Midwest&#039;s office space. Additionally, Frontier only has employees above the wing (customer service). Ramp handling is done by.... Midwest Airlines. 

I just see all over the place that the ATL aspect is hyped up.... but I see coming to ATL as the same problem as before: Frontier has no assets here. Still have to share a gate with someone else (and work around Midwest&#039;s three daily flights) or use the common use gates like Spirit, Air Canada, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky and other commenters:<br />
I have been laughing everytime people state in blog posts or news articles about how this will &#8220;get Southwest into Atlanta.&#8221; </p>
<p>Two questions:<br />
1.) What kept Southwest out of Atlanta before? </p>
<p>Especially if your answer is &#8220;gates&#8221; then please answer the following:<br />
2.) Do you realize Frontier has zero gates in Atlanta presently? </p>
<p>Frontier uses the Midwest Airlines gate (owned by Midwest) and subleases half of Midwest&#8217;s ticket counter, and Midwest&#8217;s office space. Additionally, Frontier only has employees above the wing (customer service). Ramp handling is done by&#8230;. Midwest Airlines. </p>
<p>I just see all over the place that the ATL aspect is hyped up&#8230;. but I see coming to ATL as the same problem as before: Frontier has no assets here. Still have to share a gate with someone else (and work around Midwest&#8217;s three daily flights) or use the common use gates like Spirit, Air Canada, etc.</p>
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