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		<title>By: Benji</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/06/international-airlines-start-adding-fees-making-cuts-like-us-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-77072</link>
		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, CF.  I&#039;ve always wanted to help contribute to your posts, ROFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, CF.  I&#8217;ve always wanted to help contribute to your posts, ROFL.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77063&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;robert&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:
Regarding the water bottle debate ....
I&#039;ve had water bottles taken off me just before getting on the plane. These are expensive bottles that I have bought air-side. This usually happens at AMS / CDG / DUS / FRA / MUC where they often have a second set of security scanners right at the departure gate. One day I will learn the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-77063" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">robert</a></b>:<br />
Regarding the water bottle debate &#8230;.<br />
I&#8217;ve had water bottles taken off me just before getting on the plane. These are expensive bottles that I have bought air-side. This usually happens at AMS / CDG / DUS / FRA / MUC where they often have a second set of security scanners right at the departure gate. One day I will learn the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan - It&#039;s all very well talking about bringing bottled water, except that on most (all?) flights you can&#039;t. It&#039;ll be taken away from you at security. The best you can do is to buy a branded bottle airside - at grossly inflated prices.

Then again, I suppose you could bring an empty bottle through security and fill it up in the bathrooms, though I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if that was considered &#039;suspicious behaviour&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan &#8211; It&#8217;s all very well talking about bringing bottled water, except that on most (all?) flights you can&#8217;t. It&#8217;ll be taken away from you at security. The best you can do is to buy a branded bottle airside &#8211; at grossly inflated prices.</p>
<p>Then again, I suppose you could bring an empty bottle through security and fill it up in the bathrooms, though I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if that was considered &#8216;suspicious behaviour&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benji - It&#039;s as if it never existed . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benji &#8211; It&#8217;s as if it never existed . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you fix the &quot;you&#039;ll know longer get...&quot; typo?  It&#039;s killing the English teacher in me, LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you fix the &#8220;you&#8217;ll know longer get&#8230;&#8221; typo?  It&#8217;s killing the English teacher in me, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can only imagine the great ads being put together by Virgin.  Starving passengers eating the lie flat seats on a BA flight.  While VS pax over indulge in a sea of food...brought to them by a stream of chirping birds!!!  haha!  

Ambulances waiting for starved BA passengers, or BA biz class pulls up to a fast food joint upon arrival.. As VS J class, walk off to their limo&#039;s well fed

You know its coming!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can only imagine the great ads being put together by Virgin.  Starving passengers eating the lie flat seats on a BA flight.  While VS pax over indulge in a sea of food&#8230;brought to them by a stream of chirping birds!!!  haha!  </p>
<p>Ambulances waiting for starved BA passengers, or BA biz class pulls up to a fast food joint upon arrival.. As VS J class, walk off to their limo&#8217;s well fed</p>
<p>You know its coming!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has flown between the US and Europe/South America  over a 100 times in First and Business, and several hundread of times in the domestic US market in both First, Premium and Coach class.  Here are my thoughts on this!

The multi course breakfasts are way over the top.  On both American and European carriers.  There is a subtle and more tactful way, for these carries to gage the possible eating habits of their flyers when they book.  If only 2 out of 10 F Class passengers indulge themselves off the coast of Ireland and Wales.. Then maybe just stock 2-4 full breakfast for a full cabin and find a way to dish out extras.  

From NYC, I prefer a full dinner upon departure.  Would love to have a full breakfast, but I usually do not stir til the engine start to rumble 30 mins out from Heathrow, so its just a quick breakfast for me.  From LA.  I have time to wake for the full onslaught..lol.  So maybe BA should consider cutting out full breakfast on certain shorter overseas flights only!  ..maybe under 8 hours?

American carriers are crap overall anyway.  So not much to comment on there.  Although AA and UA try in First Class

As for coach passengers.  And Im a fellow Brit.  So I know they are gonna be rather upset over losing bottle water.  Since I live in America now, I say, suck it up!  Its a bottle of water.  Bring your own.  When Im forced to fly coach.  I do not rely on any airline for my eating comforts.  I pack my own large bottle of water, along with food from the airport.  That way i can eat when I want, and settle down to read or watch movies.

If airlines really thought it through.  By all accounts NH has, according to a fellow poster above.  Selling premium food in coach is a great great idea.  Upon booking, you&#039;d have an option to pay for your premium meals/foods on long haul flights.  Whats the cost?   Like $20-25.  I&#039;d pay that in coach.   Then knock of $5 for the price of the orig coach mean or throw something in for free to make people feel like they&#039;re getting something for value ya know.

Could be a HUGE money maker, and keep people very happy!  An extra $20 x 300 passengers.  Not bad.  The extra food will not weight that much more, since the airline is now cancelling out the original meal

I remember when I use to fly the BA shuttle between London and Manchester all the time.  They&#039;d serve a small lunch (very tasty) on a 190 mile flight aboard a 757.  I would also take Sabena (yes, yesteryears ago) between LHR- BRU in Business Class, and they would serve a full 3 course breakfast on a 45 min flight!

Sometimes its just overkill, to justify the price tag.

I think certain cuts are needed.  Overnight flights are for sleeping.  The airline should specify its a scaled down service in Business, unless someone requests a full meal.  On longer flights...and daytime hauls.. it should be full service!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has flown between the US and Europe/South America  over a 100 times in First and Business, and several hundread of times in the domestic US market in both First, Premium and Coach class.  Here are my thoughts on this!</p>
<p>The multi course breakfasts are way over the top.  On both American and European carriers.  There is a subtle and more tactful way, for these carries to gage the possible eating habits of their flyers when they book.  If only 2 out of 10 F Class passengers indulge themselves off the coast of Ireland and Wales.. Then maybe just stock 2-4 full breakfast for a full cabin and find a way to dish out extras.  </p>
<p>From NYC, I prefer a full dinner upon departure.  Would love to have a full breakfast, but I usually do not stir til the engine start to rumble 30 mins out from Heathrow, so its just a quick breakfast for me.  From LA.  I have time to wake for the full onslaught..lol.  So maybe BA should consider cutting out full breakfast on certain shorter overseas flights only!  ..maybe under 8 hours?</p>
<p>American carriers are crap overall anyway.  So not much to comment on there.  Although AA and UA try in First Class</p>
<p>As for coach passengers.  And Im a fellow Brit.  So I know they are gonna be rather upset over losing bottle water.  Since I live in America now, I say, suck it up!  Its a bottle of water.  Bring your own.  When Im forced to fly coach.  I do not rely on any airline for my eating comforts.  I pack my own large bottle of water, along with food from the airport.  That way i can eat when I want, and settle down to read or watch movies.</p>
<p>If airlines really thought it through.  By all accounts NH has, according to a fellow poster above.  Selling premium food in coach is a great great idea.  Upon booking, you&#8217;d have an option to pay for your premium meals/foods on long haul flights.  Whats the cost?   Like $20-25.  I&#8217;d pay that in coach.   Then knock of $5 for the price of the orig coach mean or throw something in for free to make people feel like they&#8217;re getting something for value ya know.</p>
<p>Could be a HUGE money maker, and keep people very happy!  An extra $20 x 300 passengers.  Not bad.  The extra food will not weight that much more, since the airline is now cancelling out the original meal</p>
<p>I remember when I use to fly the BA shuttle between London and Manchester all the time.  They&#8217;d serve a small lunch (very tasty) on a 190 mile flight aboard a 757.  I would also take Sabena (yes, yesteryears ago) between LHR- BRU in Business Class, and they would serve a full 3 course breakfast on a 45 min flight!</p>
<p>Sometimes its just overkill, to justify the price tag.</p>
<p>I think certain cuts are needed.  Overnight flights are for sleeping.  The airline should specify its a scaled down service in Business, unless someone requests a full meal.  On longer flights&#8230;and daytime hauls.. it should be full service!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Daren S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daren S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a bit saddened to see BA start to make cuts as I felt that their in-flight service was definitely their differentiator.  On the other hand, customers seem not inclined to pay the premium for the service so I understand that they are having to make difficult decisions. I disagree completely with those that say breakfast isn&#039;t important.  I know when I used to do day trips to Italy from London, I really appreciated the breakfast service so early in the morning.  I really hope they don&#039;t go down the route for charging for checked baggage.  I recently flew United in the US and paid over $400 for a ticket and resented paying $15 to check a bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a bit saddened to see BA start to make cuts as I felt that their in-flight service was definitely their differentiator.  On the other hand, customers seem not inclined to pay the premium for the service so I understand that they are having to make difficult decisions. I disagree completely with those that say breakfast isn&#8217;t important.  I know when I used to do day trips to Italy from London, I really appreciated the breakfast service so early in the morning.  I really hope they don&#8217;t go down the route for charging for checked baggage.  I recently flew United in the US and paid over $400 for a ticket and resented paying $15 to check a bag.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David SF - About the long haul breakfast - I see that too, but I think there may be a segment of the population (me) who would skip the dinner in order to try to get on London time and just want a nice breakfast instead.  But I&#039;m sure they&#039;re looking at the numbers and cutting back probably does make sense.

malbarda - The numbers show that it has worked in the US - without ancillary revenues most airlines would be in far more serious trouble than they&#039;re in right now.  But I understand what you&#039;re saying from a passenger perspective.  I don&#039;t think what BA is doing on the long haul is going to make a noticeable difference so far.  But if they do keep making deeper cuts, then there might be trouble.

Hugh Jardonn - Touche

Andrew - Yes, in the past I think it&#039;s probably been alliance partners that have kept some of the frills intact on long haul legs, but if they start caving then the American carriers surely will as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David SF &#8211; About the long haul breakfast &#8211; I see that too, but I think there may be a segment of the population (me) who would skip the dinner in order to try to get on London time and just want a nice breakfast instead.  But I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re looking at the numbers and cutting back probably does make sense.</p>
<p>malbarda &#8211; The numbers show that it has worked in the US &#8211; without ancillary revenues most airlines would be in far more serious trouble than they&#8217;re in right now.  But I understand what you&#8217;re saying from a passenger perspective.  I don&#8217;t think what BA is doing on the long haul is going to make a noticeable difference so far.  But if they do keep making deeper cuts, then there might be trouble.</p>
<p>Hugh Jardonn &#8211; Touche</p>
<p>Andrew &#8211; Yes, in the past I think it&#8217;s probably been alliance partners that have kept some of the frills intact on long haul legs, but if they start caving then the American carriers surely will as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important trend because it will further embolden the US carriers to cut back on amenities on international flights.  These have largely stayed intact in the latest round of &quot;enhancements&quot; over the last year or two (e.g. still get at least 1 free checked bag [2 on all but Delta, right?], free meals) but could be gone as most carriers strive to be only almost-as-good as foreign carriers like these two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important trend because it will further embolden the US carriers to cut back on amenities on international flights.  These have largely stayed intact in the latest round of &#8220;enhancements&#8221; over the last year or two (e.g. still get at least 1 free checked bag [2 on all but Delta, right?], free meals) but could be gone as most carriers strive to be only almost-as-good as foreign carriers like these two.</p>
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