Comments on: Southwest 737 Diverts After a Hole Appears in the Roof http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Shiva http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76227 Shiva Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:48:15 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76227 NW - now Delta - flies some DC9s from the mid 60s. I flew one from MSP to ORD that had the mattress tag at the bottom right of entry that said 3/66. NW – now Delta – flies some DC9s from the mid 60s. I flew one from MSP to ORD that had the mattress tag at the bottom right of entry that said 3/66.

]]> By: Nicholas Barnard http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76220 Nicholas Barnard Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:52:30 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76220 Random fun fact that keeps running through my head: That movie on the Aloha accident actually ran significantly, longer than the actual incident.. about 4x as long... Random fun fact that keeps running through my head: That movie on the Aloha accident actually ran significantly, longer than the actual incident.. about 4x as long…

]]> By: CF http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76207 CF Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:52:35 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76207 Consumer Mike - You are quickly jumping to conclusions here and there's no reason to do so. We have no idea what caused this hole to open up. It is not necessarily related to age or corrosion of any sort. The NTSB will certainly get to the bottom of this, and if there are real concerns, then they will modify maintenance procedures as necessary. But the age of the aircraft does not need to be regulated simply because of this. Consumer Mike – You are quickly jumping to conclusions here and there’s no reason to do so. We have no idea what caused this hole to open up. It is not necessarily related to age or corrosion of any sort. The NTSB will certainly get to the bottom of this, and if there are real concerns, then they will modify maintenance procedures as necessary. But the age of the aircraft does not need to be regulated simply because of this.

]]> By: A http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76203 A Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:18:13 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76203 Consumer Mike - I've toured aircraft maintenance facilities where they do major overhaul work. Quite frankly, after seeing what they change out I'm not worried about number of cycles or how old the aircraft is. All I care is that the airframe receives the proper maintenace and at the proper intervals. Perhaps the # of cycles between major service should be reduced but as I was told on one tour..."If you maintained your car per FAA regulations you'd only need one vehicle for your entire life." Seems to be about right as NW is still flying DC-9's that were delivered in the early 70's, close to 40 years ago! Consumer Mike – I’ve toured aircraft maintenance facilities where they do major overhaul work. Quite frankly, after seeing what they change out I’m not worried about number of cycles or how old the aircraft is. All I care is that the airframe receives the proper maintenace and at the proper intervals. Perhaps the # of cycles between major service should be reduced but as I was told on one tour…”If you maintained your car per FAA regulations you’d only need one vehicle for your entire life.” Seems to be about right as NW is still flying DC-9′s that were delivered in the early 70′s, close to 40 years ago!

]]> By: Consumer Mike http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76198 Consumer Mike Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:29:55 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76198 After these incidents it may be time to set limit for the years of service a commuter aircraft that constantly changes pressure landing and taking off on countless daily flights day after day. This type of stress on any aircraft appears to shorten the safe-life of an aircraft. Now that the non-consumer friendly Bush regime is out of DC perhaps the current administration will make the FAA check into this and study the facts. Perhaps they will actually do something to protect consumers who use these types of aircraft. I sure hope so. One incident is one too many! After these incidents it may be time to set limit for the years of service a commuter aircraft that constantly changes pressure landing and taking off on countless daily flights day after day. This type of stress on any aircraft appears to shorten the safe-life of an aircraft. Now that the non-consumer friendly Bush regime is out of DC perhaps the current administration will make the FAA check into this and study the facts. Perhaps they will actually do something to protect consumers who use these types of aircraft. I sure hope so. One incident is one too many!

]]> By: oldiesfan6479 http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76197 oldiesfan6479 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:22:57 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76197 Poor guy. I’m sure the Coke was flat, the peanuts stale, and the drive to BNA that morning congested as well. To which the stews replied: "Nuts to the man in 21D." "You said it!" BTW, you're sure the hole was in the top of the fuselage and not in the starboard can? Cause then you'd have had your perp--D.O. Guerrero in 23A, who was seated next to Ada Quonsett (the stowaway) and Whit Bissell...oooh, Whit Bissell! OK, I'm caught in a movie time warp, sorry. CF, no need for your "sad but true"--there are quite a few airplane geeks who record tail numbers of A/C they fly on. Not to mention airline, flight number, A/C type (yes, with the Boeing customer number), ORG/DES, runways used, out/off/on/in times, seat number...what did I leave out? (But you knew all that!) Similar to radio/TV geeks who photograph tower sites, have their car radio presets (FM and AM) in ascending order by frequency, left to right, and can name that tune in three notes (just as long as it's not "Brown Eyed Girl" for the 8000th time). Poor guy. I’m sure the Coke was flat, the peanuts stale, and the
drive to BNA that morning congested as well.

To which the stews replied:
“Nuts to the man in 21D.”
“You said it!”
BTW, you’re sure the hole was in the top of the fuselage and not in the starboard can? Cause then you’d have had your perp–D.O. Guerrero in 23A, who was seated next to Ada Quonsett (the stowaway) and Whit Bissell…oooh, Whit Bissell!

OK, I’m caught in a movie time warp, sorry.

CF, no need for your “sad but true”–there are quite a few airplane geeks who record tail numbers of A/C they fly on. Not to mention airline, flight number, A/C type (yes, with the Boeing customer number), ORG/DES, runways used, out/off/on/in times, seat number…what did I leave out?
(But you knew all that!)

Similar to radio/TV geeks who photograph tower sites, have their car radio presets (FM and AM) in ascending order by frequency, left to right, and can name that tune in three notes (just as long as it’s not “Brown Eyed Girl” for the 8000th time).

]]> By: JW http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76193 JW Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:25:51 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76193 I think the "fluid hammer" theory of AQ 243 warrants mentioning here, too. That theory states that a small square hole was the initial failure...but the pressure spike caused by fluid hammer resulted in the secondary burst in the fuselage. I think the “fluid hammer” theory of AQ 243 warrants mentioning here, too. That theory states that a small square hole was the initial failure…but the pressure spike caused by fluid hammer resulted in the secondary burst in the fuselage.

]]> By: CF http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76189 CF Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:38:30 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76189 Brie - Nice try to include some spam, but please do not do it again or you will be blocked as a commenter. I have removed the link. jordan - I don't know anything about sister ships, but it's been a long time since Boeing built the 737-200 or -300. I know that America West actually operated a couple of ex-Aloha aircraft. Those were actual convertibles - quick change 737-300s that could originally go cargo or passenger. Brie – Nice try to include some spam, but please do not do it again or you will be blocked as a commenter. I have removed the link.

jordan – I don’t know anything about sister ships, but it’s been a long time since Boeing built the 737-200 or -300. I know that America West actually operated a couple of ex-Aloha aircraft. Those were actual convertibles – quick change 737-300s that could originally go cargo or passenger.

]]> By: jordan http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/14/southwest-737-diverts-after-a-hole-appears-in-the-roof/comment-page-1/#comment-76187 jordan Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:16:12 +0000 http://crankyflier.com/?p=3139#comment-76187 Boeing use to build the 737-200s and 300s as sister ships. Maybe they still do? I dont know. Anyway. When I worked for America West in the mid 90s.. I remember being told that HP had the sister ship to the one the Aloha "convertable" one, mentioned above..lol. I flew on it many times. I do not record the tail number of the 100s of flights ive been on.. But I will say this. Ive been on many patched up planes. CO use to patch their 727s and DC10s like crazy! And it was always a treat to see this upon boarding...lol Remember that one UA 747 that ripped open in midflight?. Well it was patched up and put back into service. I wrote the tail number down. Never encountered that craft...but was adament, I would never fly on it! :) Boeing use to build the 737-200s and 300s as sister ships. Maybe they still do? I dont know. Anyway. When I worked for America West in the mid 90s.. I remember being told that HP had the sister ship to the one the Aloha “convertable” one, mentioned above..lol. I flew on it many times.

I do not record the tail number of the 100s of flights ive been on.. But I will say this. Ive been on many patched up planes. CO use to patch their 727s and DC10s like crazy! And it was always a treat to see this upon boarding…lol Remember that one UA 747 that ripped open in midflight?. Well it was patched up and put back into service. I wrote the tail number down. Never encountered that craft…but was adament, I would never fly on it! :)

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