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		<title>By: David SFeastbay</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/07/02/jetamerica-delays-launch-one-month-screws-travelers/comment-page-1/#comment-76305</link>
		<dc:creator>David SFeastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So jetamerica is suspending service. Not sure how you can suspend something you haven&#039;t started, but we get the idea. Sounds like they may come back with a new plan and new cities, but who is going to trust them. Guess that will mean a new name to fool the public. I feel bad for people who thought they had jobs and now are out of work, and for those that thought they would see some airline service their city needed.

Here&#039;s part of the write up Ben Mutzabaugh wrote for USA Today in the Sky:

The airline said in today&#039;s press release that those problems also were the driving force behind today&#039;s decision to ground the carrier. &quot;We are reluctantly suspending our public charter operations effective today,&quot; CEO John Weikle says in the release. Weikle also was one of the founders of now-defunct Skybus, an ultra-low-cost carrier that folded just several months after launching. 

&quot;Finalizing the slots required to support our charter program at Newark has taken longer than expected and we have decided to suspend our flights in order to refocus on different markets. We still strongly believe that there is an unmet need for affordable air service to secondary markets and we look forward to offering this option again in the near future,&quot; Weikle says in the release.

Bryan Glazer, a spokesman for JetAmerica, says: &quot;This was unavoidable. I worked closely with the executives of JetAmerica for several months and know they did their very best to overcome the challenges that the slot situation posed. But in the end, the business plan never called for paying for more than a half million dollars for slots.&quot; 

Still, Glazer suggested the JetAmerica team could make another attempt at launching a low-cost carrier. &quot;Don&#039;t be surprised if JetAmerica comes back with new routes and new destinations,&quot; he says. Stay tuned ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So jetamerica is suspending service. Not sure how you can suspend something you haven&#8217;t started, but we get the idea. Sounds like they may come back with a new plan and new cities, but who is going to trust them. Guess that will mean a new name to fool the public. I feel bad for people who thought they had jobs and now are out of work, and for those that thought they would see some airline service their city needed.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s part of the write up Ben Mutzabaugh wrote for USA Today in the Sky:</p>
<p>The airline said in today&#8217;s press release that those problems also were the driving force behind today&#8217;s decision to ground the carrier. &#8220;We are reluctantly suspending our public charter operations effective today,&#8221; CEO John Weikle says in the release. Weikle also was one of the founders of now-defunct Skybus, an ultra-low-cost carrier that folded just several months after launching. </p>
<p>&#8220;Finalizing the slots required to support our charter program at Newark has taken longer than expected and we have decided to suspend our flights in order to refocus on different markets. We still strongly believe that there is an unmet need for affordable air service to secondary markets and we look forward to offering this option again in the near future,&#8221; Weikle says in the release.</p>
<p>Bryan Glazer, a spokesman for JetAmerica, says: &#8220;This was unavoidable. I worked closely with the executives of JetAmerica for several months and know they did their very best to overcome the challenges that the slot situation posed. But in the end, the business plan never called for paying for more than a half million dollars for slots.&#8221; </p>
<p>Still, Glazer suggested the JetAmerica team could make another attempt at launching a low-cost carrier. &#8220;Don&#8217;t be surprised if JetAmerica comes back with new routes and new destinations,&#8221; he says. Stay tuned &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy it.

1) It should be very clear to any potential Part 380 operator that you need slots to fly into a slot-restricted airport. If the airlines need slots for recurring operations at the same times, why wouldn&#039;t they?

2) It should be even clearer that getting slots after 12pm at EWR was going to be tough. When do most of the delays happen? You guessed it...after 12pm.

3) They are ruining things with regards to Part 380 operators receiving grants. It is already difficult enough because most of these airports do not want to deal with anyone but majors and regionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
<p>1) It should be very clear to any potential Part 380 operator that you need slots to fly into a slot-restricted airport. If the airlines need slots for recurring operations at the same times, why wouldn&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>2) It should be even clearer that getting slots after 12pm at EWR was going to be tough. When do most of the delays happen? You guessed it&#8230;after 12pm.</p>
<p>3) They are ruining things with regards to Part 380 operators receiving grants. It is already difficult enough because most of these airports do not want to deal with anyone but majors and regionals.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fliesfreq - It sounds like you&#039;re trying to defend Weikle and not necessarily his idea.  I don&#039;t disagree with that.  He has certainly done a good job of building up airlines, though none of his ideas have worked so far.  If he comes up with a good one, then maybe he&#039;ll be successful, but that will become tougher the more failures he has.  Let me look at each individual point.

You say: Skybus was a success until Bill Diffenderfer and Ken Gile ran it into the ground.

Not true.  It was never a success.  Is it possible that with better route and cost containment decisions it would have been successful?  Maybe, but it was never a success.

You say:  DOT CFR 380 rules do not require indirect air carriers likke Jet America to have slots. Why is the FAA changing the rules for JetAmerica?

Not true.  It is clearly stated that they do need reservations in 14 CFR 93:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=773521cc9c6b20a8feed1107260c8e90;rgn=div6;view=text;node=14%3A2.0.1.3.11.13;idno=14;cc=ecfr

It is possible that has changed over time, but it&#039;s certainly in force now.  I can&#039;t imagine that Continental and Northwest could care less about JetAmerica.

So what if David Neeleman&#039;s first venture failed?  He had good ideas after that one.  Same with Allegiant.  Their first model was not going to work, but the modified model post-bankruptcy was a good one.  Weikle has yet to try to put forward a good model.  If he does, then great, maybe we&#039;ll see him be a success.  But so far, I don&#039;t see anything that&#039;s going to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fliesfreq &#8211; It sounds like you&#8217;re trying to defend Weikle and not necessarily his idea.  I don&#8217;t disagree with that.  He has certainly done a good job of building up airlines, though none of his ideas have worked so far.  If he comes up with a good one, then maybe he&#8217;ll be successful, but that will become tougher the more failures he has.  Let me look at each individual point.</p>
<p>You say: Skybus was a success until Bill Diffenderfer and Ken Gile ran it into the ground.</p>
<p>Not true.  It was never a success.  Is it possible that with better route and cost containment decisions it would have been successful?  Maybe, but it was never a success.</p>
<p>You say:  DOT CFR 380 rules do not require indirect air carriers likke Jet America to have slots. Why is the FAA changing the rules for JetAmerica?</p>
<p>Not true.  It is clearly stated that they do need reservations in 14 CFR 93:<br />
<a href="http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=773521cc9c6b20a8feed1107260c8e90;rgn=div6;view=text;node=14%3A2.0.1.3.11.13;idno=14;cc=ecfr" rel="nofollow">http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=773521cc9c6b20a8feed1107260c8e90;rgn=div6;view=text;node=14%3A2.0.1.3.11.13;idno=14;cc=ecfr</a></p>
<p>It is possible that has changed over time, but it&#8217;s certainly in force now.  I can&#8217;t imagine that Continental and Northwest could care less about JetAmerica.</p>
<p>So what if David Neeleman&#8217;s first venture failed?  He had good ideas after that one.  Same with Allegiant.  Their first model was not going to work, but the modified model post-bankruptcy was a good one.  Weikle has yet to try to put forward a good model.  If he does, then great, maybe we&#8217;ll see him be a success.  But so far, I don&#8217;t see anything that&#8217;s going to work.</p>
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		<title>By: fliesfreq</title>
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		<dc:creator>fliesfreq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please name for me one entrepreneuer who didn&#039;t  fail several times before a success?   Skybus was a success until Bill Diffenderfer and Ken Gile ran it into the ground.

I wonder if some of the big boys at Continental Airlines is pulling on the FAA now requiring Jet America to have slots whereas they were not required to have the slots until late May or early June.
 
DOT CFR 380 rules do not require indirect air carriers likke Jet America to have slots.  Why is the FAA changing the rules for JetAmerica?   Could Continental  or Northwest be out to get the little guy and protect their outrageous one-way fares from Detroit/Cleveland to Newark???
 
Maybe you did not know that Margaret Mitchell&#039;s Gone with the Wind was rejected by 57 publishers but she kept trying to find one that would print her book.
 
Does anyone remember that David Neeleman, founder of JetBlue, lost his first airline, Hawaii Express?  His first airline failed and he had to file bankruptcy.
 
Does anyone know that Allegiant Air, by far the most profitable airline in the US, filed for bankruptcy protection in its early years and emerged with new investors and new management?
 
And just how many times has Continental Airlines been in and out of bankruptcy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please name for me one entrepreneuer who didn&#8217;t  fail several times before a success?   Skybus was a success until Bill Diffenderfer and Ken Gile ran it into the ground.</p>
<p>I wonder if some of the big boys at Continental Airlines is pulling on the FAA now requiring Jet America to have slots whereas they were not required to have the slots until late May or early June.</p>
<p>DOT CFR 380 rules do not require indirect air carriers likke Jet America to have slots.  Why is the FAA changing the rules for JetAmerica?   Could Continental  or Northwest be out to get the little guy and protect their outrageous one-way fares from Detroit/Cleveland to Newark???</p>
<p>Maybe you did not know that Margaret Mitchell&#8217;s Gone with the Wind was rejected by 57 publishers but she kept trying to find one that would print her book.</p>
<p>Does anyone remember that David Neeleman, founder of JetBlue, lost his first airline, Hawaii Express?  His first airline failed and he had to file bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Does anyone know that Allegiant Air, by far the most profitable airline in the US, filed for bankruptcy protection in its early years and emerged with new investors and new management?</p>
<p>And just how many times has Continental Airlines been in and out of bankruptcy?</p>
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		<title>By: Another Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, an airline needs an operating certificate from the DOT (economic authority, management competence) and another from the FAA (safety). An indirect carrier has no DOT certificate, but operates under the provisions of Part 380, which is basically for the purpose consumer protection. The airline actually operating the airplane requires the appropriate FAR 121 authority.

EWR didn&#039;t have arrival/departure slots until this year. Is it possible that Jet America&#039;s management thought they didn&#039;t apply to scheduled charters? For the years that LGA and ORD had slots, one couldn&#039;t show up there unannounced.

Some old timers remember that when New York Air started its LGA-DCA service, it could not get two sets of &quot;scheduled carrier&quot; slots to run an hourly service, so it chartered Emerald Air  to run these flights, and had to hope that it could secure &quot;unscheduled&quot; slots to operate the service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, an airline needs an operating certificate from the DOT (economic authority, management competence) and another from the FAA (safety). An indirect carrier has no DOT certificate, but operates under the provisions of Part 380, which is basically for the purpose consumer protection. The airline actually operating the airplane requires the appropriate FAR 121 authority.</p>
<p>EWR didn&#8217;t have arrival/departure slots until this year. Is it possible that Jet America&#8217;s management thought they didn&#8217;t apply to scheduled charters? For the years that LGA and ORD had slots, one couldn&#8217;t show up there unannounced.</p>
<p>Some old timers remember that when New York Air started its LGA-DCA service, it could not get two sets of &#8220;scheduled carrier&#8221; slots to run an hourly service, so it chartered Emerald Air  to run these flights, and had to hope that it could secure &#8220;unscheduled&#8221; slots to operate the service.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Barnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Barnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. United II strikes again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. United II strikes again.</p>
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		<title>By: JetAmerica Postpones Launch, Cancels Tickets @ Coach Class</title>
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		<dc:creator>JetAmerica Postpones Launch, Cancels Tickets @ Coach Class</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for flights starting July 13 but now says it won&#8217;t start flying until Aug. 14, according to The Cranky Flier blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for flights starting July 13 but now says it won&#8217;t start flying until Aug. 14, according to The Cranky Flier blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority CEO Michael J. Stolarczyk, had this to say about the delay:

&quot;We are disappointed to hear about this situation, and our first priority is with our customers here in Toledo. We need to embrace and support JetAmerica and we sincerely appreciate the support of our community. The Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority is also trying to mitigate their inconvenience as much as possible. We will see JetAmerica fly in August and beyond.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority CEO Michael J. Stolarczyk, had this to say about the delay:</p>
<p>&#8220;We are disappointed to hear about this situation, and our first priority is with our customers here in Toledo. We need to embrace and support JetAmerica and we sincerely appreciate the support of our community. The Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority is also trying to mitigate their inconvenience as much as possible. We will see JetAmerica fly in August and beyond.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Parker Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Parker Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many of them were $9 tickets. I wouldn&#039;t feel soooo bad if someone lost $9 (well maybe like $15 after taxes/fees) in this deal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of them were $9 tickets. I wouldn&#8217;t feel soooo bad if someone lost $9 (well maybe like $15 after taxes/fees) in this deal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - I wouldn&#039;t put any stock into that comment.  All pilots are required to be qualifed.  It is certainly true that you&#039;ll find pilots with more experience at the legacy carriers, but blaming the Skybus delays on the flight crews seems rather absurd.  As they say, &quot;it takes a village.&quot;

DavidSF - I&#039;m sure they thought they would be able to get a hold of slots between May 30 and now, but just think of all the travelers who now have had their summer plans ruined.  They probably could have gotten a better deal had they known about this earlier.  I feel bad for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t put any stock into that comment.  All pilots are required to be qualifed.  It is certainly true that you&#8217;ll find pilots with more experience at the legacy carriers, but blaming the Skybus delays on the flight crews seems rather absurd.  As they say, &#8220;it takes a village.&#8221;</p>
<p>DavidSF &#8211; I&#8217;m sure they thought they would be able to get a hold of slots between May 30 and now, but just think of all the travelers who now have had their summer plans ruined.  They probably could have gotten a better deal had they known about this earlier.  I feel bad for them.</p>
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