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	<title>Comments on: Zeppelin Porn: Zeppelin Visits Long Beach</title>
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		<title>By: Loron Knowlen</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/25/zeppelin-porn-zeppelin-visits-long-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-75836</link>
		<dc:creator>Loron Knowlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw it yesterday Sunday when it flew over Universal Studios at about 5:40pm. I&#039;m proud to see the Zeppelins back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw it yesterday Sunday when it flew over Universal Studios at about 5:40pm. I&#8217;m proud to see the Zeppelins back.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gazis</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/25/zeppelin-porn-zeppelin-visits-long-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-75190</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gazis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Airships have several advantages over heavier-than-air craft.  They have potentially limitless endurance, they can hover for a very long time, and IFR operation is a piece of cake.  Against this, one must weigh their large size, expense, and low speed.  They can fly higher than one might suppose.  The German &#039;height climbers&#039; of WWI routinely operated at altitudes above 18,000&#039; during bombing raids -- their counterparts would transponders and clearance into Class A airspace today.

The biggest problem facing large airships may be ground handling.  You don&#039;t just fire up the engines and taxi out to the runway with an 800&#039; long aircraft, and the alternatives used in the 1920s and 30s -- 200-man ground crews and/or elaborate rail systems -- could be prohibitively expensive today.  The Zeppelin NT fellows seem to get a lot of benefit out of their tail rotor, but it&#039;s not clear how well this would scale up to something the size of largest American and German ships, which were three times longer and had 20-30 times the enclosed volume.

So it remains to be determined if a use can be found for large rigid airships and if they will ever return.  But we can always dream about what might have been, and I&#039;ve explored one of the more glamorous but less likely possibilities on my website at http://airships.paulgazis.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Airships have several advantages over heavier-than-air craft.  They have potentially limitless endurance, they can hover for a very long time, and IFR operation is a piece of cake.  Against this, one must weigh their large size, expense, and low speed.  They can fly higher than one might suppose.  The German &#8216;height climbers&#8217; of WWI routinely operated at altitudes above 18,000&#8242; during bombing raids &#8212; their counterparts would transponders and clearance into Class A airspace today.</p>
<p>The biggest problem facing large airships may be ground handling.  You don&#8217;t just fire up the engines and taxi out to the runway with an 800&#8242; long aircraft, and the alternatives used in the 1920s and 30s &#8212; 200-man ground crews and/or elaborate rail systems &#8212; could be prohibitively expensive today.  The Zeppelin NT fellows seem to get a lot of benefit out of their tail rotor, but it&#8217;s not clear how well this would scale up to something the size of largest American and German ships, which were three times longer and had 20-30 times the enclosed volume.</p>
<p>So it remains to be determined if a use can be found for large rigid airships and if they will ever return.  But we can always dream about what might have been, and I&#8217;ve explored one of the more glamorous but less likely possibilities on my website at <a href="http://airships.paulgazis.com" rel="nofollow">http://airships.paulgazis.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan at airships.net</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/25/zeppelin-porn-zeppelin-visits-long-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-74181</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan at airships.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John M:

I am not one of those dreamers who believe rigid airships could ever be a practical means of scheduled transportation... BUT....  at the same time, your comment suggests that zeppelins inherently lack any ability to operate in or around adverse weather, which is simply not the case.

The best example is the LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin; over a nine year career, the Graf Zeppelin flew more than a million miles, all over the globe, on 590 flights, carrying over 34,000 passengers, and it did so in and around major weather systems.  Naturally, careful and attentive navigation was required to avoid certain weather systems, or even take advantage of them, through pressure pattern navigation.  (More information is obviously available on my website.)

Again, I am not suggesting that zeppelins are a practical means of transport; I am simply that, when operated skillfully, they are not limited to blue sky days, either.  

Of course, operating a sightseeing ship in bad weather makes no economic sense in any case, nor would there be any justification for undertaking the additional risk to passengers of foul-weather operations, but that does not mean that other missions for a ship like the Zeppelin NT -- military, surveillance, etc -- might not be appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John M:</p>
<p>I am not one of those dreamers who believe rigid airships could ever be a practical means of scheduled transportation&#8230; BUT&#8230;.  at the same time, your comment suggests that zeppelins inherently lack any ability to operate in or around adverse weather, which is simply not the case.</p>
<p>The best example is the LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin; over a nine year career, the Graf Zeppelin flew more than a million miles, all over the globe, on 590 flights, carrying over 34,000 passengers, and it did so in and around major weather systems.  Naturally, careful and attentive navigation was required to avoid certain weather systems, or even take advantage of them, through pressure pattern navigation.  (More information is obviously available on my website.)</p>
<p>Again, I am not suggesting that zeppelins are a practical means of transport; I am simply that, when operated skillfully, they are not limited to blue sky days, either.  </p>
<p>Of course, operating a sightseeing ship in bad weather makes no economic sense in any case, nor would there be any justification for undertaking the additional risk to passengers of foul-weather operations, but that does not mean that other missions for a ship like the Zeppelin NT &#8212; military, surveillance, etc &#8212; might not be appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/25/zeppelin-porn-zeppelin-visits-long-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-74180</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really makes me understand the limitations of lighter-than-air travel.  It can only be accomplished in pristinely fine weather.  If a thunderstorm had rolled in, or even a moderate Santa Ana wind, you would all have died.

Given their low speeds, I don&#039;t see how any dirigible could be expected to maneuver around a front of even modest size.  And they simply don&#039;t have the ability to climb ABOVE the weather.

Despite all the futuristic dreaming, I&#039;m afraid commercially viable dirigible travel will remain in the same realm as commercially viable interplanetary travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really makes me understand the limitations of lighter-than-air travel.  It can only be accomplished in pristinely fine weather.  If a thunderstorm had rolled in, or even a moderate Santa Ana wind, you would all have died.</p>
<p>Given their low speeds, I don&#8217;t see how any dirigible could be expected to maneuver around a front of even modest size.  And they simply don&#8217;t have the ability to climb ABOVE the weather.</p>
<p>Despite all the futuristic dreaming, I&#8217;m afraid commercially viable dirigible travel will remain in the same realm as commercially viable interplanetary travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan at airships.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan at airships.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Zach:

Well I guess that depends on your reaction to zeppelins...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Zach:</p>
<p>Well I guess that depends on your reaction to zeppelins&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooohhh--zeppelin porn!  I SO shouldn&#039;t be viewing this at work ;-)

Just kidding...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooohhh&#8211;zeppelin porn!  I SO shouldn&#8217;t be viewing this at work ;-)</p>
<p>Just kidding&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SimonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SimonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I stand multiply corrected!!</description>
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		<title>By: Dan at Airships.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan at Airships.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 04:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ship is a Zeppelin NT.  Although it is a semi-rigid airship, and not a rigid airship like a traditional &quot;zeppelin&quot; (such as the Hindenburg), it is made by a successor company to the same firm that was founded by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin and which built the Hindenburg (and over 100 other zeppelin airships) so it is, in fact, a zeppelin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ship is a Zeppelin NT.  Although it is a semi-rigid airship, and not a rigid airship like a traditional &#8220;zeppelin&#8221; (such as the Hindenburg), it is made by a successor company to the same firm that was founded by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin and which built the Hindenburg (and over 100 other zeppelin airships) so it is, in fact, a zeppelin!</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan - Yep.  I&#039;ll have pictures and video ready to go for tomorrow&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan &#8211; Yep.  I&#8217;ll have pictures and video ready to go for tomorrow&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is made in Germany.  I see it almost every day when they are flying their regular routes over the Bay Area.  Wish I could justify the expense to take a ride...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is made in Germany.  I see it almost every day when they are flying their regular routes over the Bay Area.  Wish I could justify the expense to take a ride&#8230;</p>
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