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	<title>Comments on: United Now Has New First &amp; Business Class on Every International 767</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/08/united-now-has-new-first-business-class-on-every-international-767/comment-page-1/#comment-78652</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-73482&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Traveling Optimist&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:

I recently flew on 767 International Configuration with the rear facing seat. At first, I was not prepared, and there was a bit of motion sickness. Obviously, every g is reverse force, and this is odd. Another passenger refused to be seated in rear-facing business class, and had to be moved economy plus in this United Flight.  After a while, with my nice entertainment system, it was fine and the flight was smooth.  Would prefer forward facing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ <a href="#comment-73482" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">The Traveling Optimist</a></b>:</p>
<p>I recently flew on 767 International Configuration with the rear facing seat. At first, I was not prepared, and there was a bit of motion sickness. Obviously, every g is reverse force, and this is odd. Another passenger refused to be seated in rear-facing business class, and had to be moved economy plus in this United Flight.  After a while, with my nice entertainment system, it was fine and the flight was smooth.  Would prefer forward facing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Traveling Optimist</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/08/united-now-has-new-first-business-class-on-every-international-767/comment-page-1/#comment-73592</link>
		<dc:creator>The Traveling Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None - 

UA views AVOD as a premium feature?  And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, a public admission of poverty in the face of overwhelming competition that offers AVOD in all classes on newer aircraft deployed on the most lucrative routes in United&#039;s system.  Namely, just about every city they serve across the Pacific.

Old 747s, &quot;B-Model&quot; 777s (2nd generation) and 767s averaging 20+ years each?  If they don&#039;t provide an incentive for the steerage class to at least stay with them thru this economy then those same people who MIGHT return to premium cabins when the economy gets better will have already gone elsewhere.

@Bobber - 

I think the last time I traveled backwards was on one of those suicide drop rollercoasters.  Can&#039;t get THAT feeling out of my head, mate!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None &#8211; </p>
<p>UA views AVOD as a premium feature?  And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, a public admission of poverty in the face of overwhelming competition that offers AVOD in all classes on newer aircraft deployed on the most lucrative routes in United&#8217;s system.  Namely, just about every city they serve across the Pacific.</p>
<p>Old 747s, &#8220;B-Model&#8221; 777s (2nd generation) and 767s averaging 20+ years each?  If they don&#8217;t provide an incentive for the steerage class to at least stay with them thru this economy then those same people who MIGHT return to premium cabins when the economy gets better will have already gone elsewhere.</p>
<p>@Bobber &#8211; </p>
<p>I think the last time I traveled backwards was on one of those suicide drop rollercoasters.  Can&#8217;t get THAT feeling out of my head, mate!  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: None</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/05/08/united-now-has-new-first-business-class-on-every-international-767/comment-page-1/#comment-73563</link>
		<dc:creator>None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- UA have said they do NOT plan to supply AVOD for Economy in the 
  upgraded 777s.  They have indicated they view AVOD as a &quot;premium&quot; 
  feature that incents people to either buy a C/F ticket or upgrade (usually 
  from one of the more expensive economy fares and also requiring cash 
  payment if upgrading with UA miles after 1st July 2009).

- UA also have NOT upgraded or reconfigure the overhead bins on any of the 767s, 
  and they do NOT plan to upgrade or reconfigure them.  UA did look at overhead 
  bin changes, but even upgrading only the C &amp; F class overhead bins was 
  considered far too expensive by UA.

Otherwise a nice article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- UA have said they do NOT plan to supply AVOD for Economy in the<br />
  upgraded 777s.  They have indicated they view AVOD as a &#8220;premium&#8221;<br />
  feature that incents people to either buy a C/F ticket or upgrade (usually<br />
  from one of the more expensive economy fares and also requiring cash<br />
  payment if upgrading with UA miles after 1st July 2009).</p>
<p>- UA also have NOT upgraded or reconfigure the overhead bins on any of the 767s,<br />
  and they do NOT plan to upgrade or reconfigure them.  UA did look at overhead<br />
  bin changes, but even upgrading only the C &amp; F class overhead bins was<br />
  considered far too expensive by UA.</p>
<p>Otherwise a nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TTO

There really isn&#039;t a great deal of difference, mate.  There is a slight tendency for you to lean forward at take-off, but throughout the rest of the flight it&#039;s as per, really.  I&#039;ve flown &#039;backwards&#039; in military transporters when I was an air cadet (in the last century!), as the RAF have their VC-10&#039;s and Tristars configured that way throughout - better crash survival, allegedly.  Anyway, I think it&#039;s the fact that the new C class suites are that much better than before that&#039;s the real difference, not the pleasant change it makes to be looking the wrong way!</description>
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<p>There really isn&#8217;t a great deal of difference, mate.  There is a slight tendency for you to lean forward at take-off, but throughout the rest of the flight it&#8217;s as per, really.  I&#8217;ve flown &#8216;backwards&#8217; in military transporters when I was an air cadet (in the last century!), as the RAF have their VC-10&#8242;s and Tristars configured that way throughout &#8211; better crash survival, allegedly.  Anyway, I think it&#8217;s the fact that the new C class suites are that much better than before that&#8217;s the real difference, not the pleasant change it makes to be looking the wrong way!</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 04:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Optimist - I&#039;ve done it a couple times in BA&#039;s business class as well as in the old days when Southwest had club seating.  I actually didn&#039;t find it to be much different at all except that you&#039;re pointed up when you&#039;re usually pointing down and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Optimist &#8211; I&#8217;ve done it a couple times in BA&#8217;s business class as well as in the old days when Southwest had club seating.  I actually didn&#8217;t find it to be much different at all except that you&#8217;re pointed up when you&#8217;re usually pointing down and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: The Traveling Optimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Traveling Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 04:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobber - 

Give us a rundown on what it feels like to be facing backward on take-off and through all the turns and vectors both leaving and arriving at an airport, please?  I&#039;m still not sold on that mode of travel on anything other than a fast train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobber &#8211; </p>
<p>Give us a rundown on what it feels like to be facing backward on take-off and through all the turns and vectors both leaving and arriving at an airport, please?  I&#8217;m still not sold on that mode of travel on anything other than a fast train.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to say I found the new C class on a 767-300 really nice last month, and rear facing is a nice touch. Blowing the last of miles upgrading to C on a 777 to SFO next month, which will be a disappointment no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to say I found the new C class on a 767-300 really nice last month, and rear facing is a nice touch. Blowing the last of miles upgrading to C on a 777 to SFO next month, which will be a disappointment no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>250Kflier - They&#039;re only shrinking the Y+ cabin on the 747, but I believe the true premium cabins are shrinking on every fleet.  Here&#039;s what I&#039;m showing as the change in Y/Y+ by aircraft:

767 - old 67 Y+ and 84 Y (44% Y+)
        new 71 Y+ and 80 Y (47% Y+)

747 - old 88 Y+ and 172 Y (34% Y+)
        new 70 Y+ and 240 Y (23% Y+)

777 - old 83/84 Y+ and 114 Y (42% Y+)
        new 107 Y+ and 114 Y (48% Y+)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>250Kflier &#8211; They&#8217;re only shrinking the Y+ cabin on the 747, but I believe the true premium cabins are shrinking on every fleet.  Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m showing as the change in Y/Y+ by aircraft:</p>
<p>767 &#8211; old 67 Y+ and 84 Y (44% Y+)<br />
        new 71 Y+ and 80 Y (47% Y+)</p>
<p>747 &#8211; old 88 Y+ and 172 Y (34% Y+)<br />
        new 70 Y+ and 240 Y (23% Y+)</p>
<p>777 &#8211; old 83/84 Y+ and 114 Y (42% Y+)<br />
        new 107 Y+ and 114 Y (48% Y+)</p>
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		<title>By: 250Kflier</title>
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		<dc:creator>250Kflier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the 767s, UA is reconfiguring the overhead bins -- only in first and business. The airline didn&#039;t think it was worth the approx. $130 million extra to install larger overhead bins in all three 763 cabins.

Wankers. This shows the short-sighted nature that is United Airlines.  Economy has a higher density configuration, making the larger overhead bins probably more important in the economy class cabin than in the premium cabins.

Brett, are you certain about the % of seats in Y+ on the reconfigured 763s? I thought I&#039;d read United was shrinking the Y+ cabin (F and C also have fewer seats than before the reconfig). It was my understanding that to help pay for the cabin upgrades, UA planned to shrink the premium seats (in theory, to get more people to pay to sit in them), reduce what UA described as &quot;excessive&quot; upgrading, and increase overall density by adding more Y- seats. Then again, maybe that applies only to the reconfigured 744 version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the 767s, UA is reconfiguring the overhead bins &#8212; only in first and business. The airline didn&#8217;t think it was worth the approx. $130 million extra to install larger overhead bins in all three 763 cabins.</p>
<p>Wankers. This shows the short-sighted nature that is United Airlines.  Economy has a higher density configuration, making the larger overhead bins probably more important in the economy class cabin than in the premium cabins.</p>
<p>Brett, are you certain about the % of seats in Y+ on the reconfigured 763s? I thought I&#8217;d read United was shrinking the Y+ cabin (F and C also have fewer seats than before the reconfig). It was my understanding that to help pay for the cabin upgrades, UA planned to shrink the premium seats (in theory, to get more people to pay to sit in them), reduce what UA described as &#8220;excessive&#8221; upgrading, and increase overall density by adding more Y- seats. Then again, maybe that applies only to the reconfigured 744 version.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonko Beeblebrox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wonko Beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 01:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CF-

call it a &#039;Friday bonus&#039; post and take tomorrow off ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF-</p>
<p>call it a &#8216;Friday bonus&#8217; post and take tomorrow off ;)</p>
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