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	<title>Comments on: The Plane Mate: Friend or Foe?</title>
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		<title>By: Flight Wisdom Guru</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72821</link>
		<dc:creator>Flight Wisdom Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question we draw your attention back to...is the problem the idea or the implementation? Because on paper it sounds good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question we draw your attention back to&#8230;is the problem the idea or the implementation? Because on paper it sounds good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72754</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was about 5 I flew on a late night transatlantic from JFK. I fell asleep on the plane mate, and was very disappointed when I was woken up a few minutes later to find out that it wasn&#039;t actually the plane...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was about 5 I flew on a late night transatlantic from JFK. I fell asleep on the plane mate, and was very disappointed when I was woken up a few minutes later to find out that it wasn&#8217;t actually the plane&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Traveling Optimist</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72740</link>
		<dc:creator>The Traveling Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobber - So many US airports desperately need affordable rail service.  DFW, Denver, Dulles for starters.  Fifty pounds for a taxi or two hours on the Tube?  All for the sake of 12 hours to LA after that?  

And to think we complain over here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobber &#8211; So many US airports desperately need affordable rail service.  DFW, Denver, Dulles for starters.  Fifty pounds for a taxi or two hours on the Tube?  All for the sake of 12 hours to LA after that?  </p>
<p>And to think we complain over here!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72730</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TTO

Not really, mate. If you pre-book a cab (so not normally a London black cab) you can get to anywhere within 30 or 40 miles of Heathrow for about £50 - you&#039;ve probably guessed that Heathrow really isn&#039;t well situated for a sensible Super Shuttle service.  But I guess we&#039;re stuck with it now :(.</description>
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<p>Not really, mate. If you pre-book a cab (so not normally a London black cab) you can get to anywhere within 30 or 40 miles of Heathrow for about £50 &#8211; you&#8217;ve probably guessed that Heathrow really isn&#8217;t well situated for a sensible Super Shuttle service.  But I guess we&#8217;re stuck with it now :(.</p>
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		<title>By: IAD Matehater</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72729</link>
		<dc:creator>IAD Matehater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These horrible contraptions are not comfortable in the least, add to local air pollution, and further congest taxiways at IAD.   Get stuck on one of these things after a long haul and then you must wait another 5 minutes for it to depart? Crikes!  Oh and the same bozos who brought the kitchen sink as a carryon must bring that aboard too, (there&#039;s no overhead bin or place to stash large cases). Fun to trip over when you (eventually) get to the main terminal.  

During peak hours at IAD they&#039;re like a cramped subway train. Not how to keep anyone happy either in past or present. They cost a ton to fuel, pay drivers to operate, and maintain...surely more than a modern automated train system (unless it is run by the same bureaucrats who have taken decades to get a train actually built at IAD).  

Good riddance, I can&#039;t wait to use IAD without one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These horrible contraptions are not comfortable in the least, add to local air pollution, and further congest taxiways at IAD.   Get stuck on one of these things after a long haul and then you must wait another 5 minutes for it to depart? Crikes!  Oh and the same bozos who brought the kitchen sink as a carryon must bring that aboard too, (there&#8217;s no overhead bin or place to stash large cases). Fun to trip over when you (eventually) get to the main terminal.  </p>
<p>During peak hours at IAD they&#8217;re like a cramped subway train. Not how to keep anyone happy either in past or present. They cost a ton to fuel, pay drivers to operate, and maintain&#8230;surely more than a modern automated train system (unless it is run by the same bureaucrats who have taken decades to get a train actually built at IAD).  </p>
<p>Good riddance, I can&#8217;t wait to use IAD without one!</p>
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		<title>By: The Traveling Optimist</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72728</link>
		<dc:creator>The Traveling Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bobber

Agreed.  Paddington is over-priced for only part of the journey that may still include taxi, bus or the Tube to get to the final destination.
WOW!  Other end of the Picadilly?  I thought it was a slog when I took it all the way to Russell Square where I was staying one holiday.

Do they have shared limo service in London similar to Super Shuttle in the US that might help with the expense and travel time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bobber</p>
<p>Agreed.  Paddington is over-priced for only part of the journey that may still include taxi, bus or the Tube to get to the final destination.<br />
WOW!  Other end of the Picadilly?  I thought it was a slog when I took it all the way to Russell Square where I was staying one holiday.</p>
<p>Do they have shared limo service in London similar to Super Shuttle in the US that might help with the expense and travel time?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TTO

From the BMI gates in T1 (1-10 I think) you get a great view of the runway - the UA gates give you a limited view.

BART form SFO is just brilll - as for the Heathrow Express, yet another item of embarassment for me.  Ridiculously expensive.  I live at the other end of the Piccadilly Line to Heathrow (some 37 stops away) so whenever I get the tube to Heathrow it takes nearly 2 hours!  The EL is a great journey to downtown Chicago as well.</description>
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<p>From the BMI gates in T1 (1-10 I think) you get a great view of the runway &#8211; the UA gates give you a limited view.</p>
<p>BART form SFO is just brilll &#8211; as for the Heathrow Express, yet another item of embarassment for me.  Ridiculously expensive.  I live at the other end of the Piccadilly Line to Heathrow (some 37 stops away) so whenever I get the tube to Heathrow it takes nearly 2 hours!  The EL is a great journey to downtown Chicago as well.</p>
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		<title>By: The Traveling Optimist</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/04/21/guest-post-the-plane-mate-friend-or-foe/comment-page-1/#comment-72724</link>
		<dc:creator>The Traveling Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bobber,

I&#039;ve used all four of the originals in my travels around the UK, over to the Continent and overseas as well.  I remember T1 on the east as being the best for eastbound takeoffs while T3 had the best views for westbound departures.

The other thrill to me before the Paddington Express was the Tube in to London. It was slow but rattled and rolled so much between Hounslow West and Hammersmith in some places I felt it would actually jump the track!

For me I found that the EL from O&#039;Hare to downtown Chicago is even louder but doesn&#039;t shimmy and shake as much as the Tube.  The T in Boston is somewhere in that mix while my vote for best train in to the city is either (thank God they finally built it) BART from SFO or the MARTA from Atlanta.  Both are whisper quiet and particularly fast.  Same goes for the Airport Express from Hong Kong in to Kowloon and Central.

Any others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bobber,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used all four of the originals in my travels around the UK, over to the Continent and overseas as well.  I remember T1 on the east as being the best for eastbound takeoffs while T3 had the best views for westbound departures.</p>
<p>The other thrill to me before the Paddington Express was the Tube in to London. It was slow but rattled and rolled so much between Hounslow West and Hammersmith in some places I felt it would actually jump the track!</p>
<p>For me I found that the EL from O&#8217;Hare to downtown Chicago is even louder but doesn&#8217;t shimmy and shake as much as the Tube.  The T in Boston is somewhere in that mix while my vote for best train in to the city is either (thank God they finally built it) BART from SFO or the MARTA from Atlanta.  Both are whisper quiet and particularly fast.  Same goes for the Airport Express from Hong Kong in to Kowloon and Central.</p>
<p>Any others?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TTO,

Since they re-did T1, the new immigration hall there is much improved and I&#039;m not embarrassed to watch visitors to Britain waiting to be abused by our officials (which was always the case in T3).  I think I underestimated the walk from the UA gates in T3 to immigration - at least half a mile, probably more on most days!  In T1, that&#039;s cut down a lot.

I haven&#039;t used T5 and probably won&#039;t (BA only), but I&#039;m interested to see what the new intra-terminal transport at T5 will be like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TTO,</p>
<p>Since they re-did T1, the new immigration hall there is much improved and I&#8217;m not embarrassed to watch visitors to Britain waiting to be abused by our officials (which was always the case in T3).  I think I underestimated the walk from the UA gates in T3 to immigration &#8211; at least half a mile, probably more on most days!  In T1, that&#8217;s cut down a lot.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t used T5 and probably won&#8217;t (BA only), but I&#8217;m interested to see what the new intra-terminal transport at T5 will be like.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to love the Plane Mates when I flew out of YMX (back then, IB used to do YMX-MEX). You&#039;d get in the shuttle and unload directly onto the plane. They could even use multiple doors / multiple Plane Mates to load a 747 quickly. I thought it was the most futuristic thing ever. 

As opposed to that experience, now when I fly thru IAD, I absolutely hate the moon buggies. The problem with IAD is that they don&#039;t save you any time/walking. They&#039;re basically glorified buses. You&#039;re still walking 1/2 mile to your gate through a dilapidated terminal with insufficient seats/space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to love the Plane Mates when I flew out of YMX (back then, IB used to do YMX-MEX). You&#8217;d get in the shuttle and unload directly onto the plane. They could even use multiple doors / multiple Plane Mates to load a 747 quickly. I thought it was the most futuristic thing ever. </p>
<p>As opposed to that experience, now when I fly thru IAD, I absolutely hate the moon buggies. The problem with IAD is that they don&#8217;t save you any time/walking. They&#8217;re basically glorified buses. You&#8217;re still walking 1/2 mile to your gate through a dilapidated terminal with insufficient seats/space.</p>
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