Comments on: Delta Celebrates 80 Years that Began in Monroe

By: Andy Borgmann

Andy Borgmann — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:40:48 +0000

Great post. I wonder – and I am not being sarcastic at all here – how the Monroe community took the news that Delta was moving to Atlanta after their $40k investment. I know it was some years later, and for all I know it was amiable. But I do wonder if there was controversy in that.

I do love flying on Delta though. Them and United are my two favorites to fly.

By: The Traveling Optimist

The Traveling Optimist — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:18:12 +0000

B – Agreed. We get what we pay for.

In the early stages only the wealthy and the adrenaline junkies ever boarded an airplane (open windows? I can see the scarves flapping behind the pilot now). The jet age made things faster and more affordable with the permanent establishment of coach class. Widebodies finished the transition, reducing the entire thing to mass transportation for most and what remained of glamorous travel for the 6 – 16 people up front.

Despite the fact that few airlines have ever consistently made money I argue that they have all but perfected the current model of transportation. “Innovation” comes more often in the guise of onboard showers, herringbone seating and composite materials.

In the early days the innovation was higher, faster, farther. The first two no longer seem to be part of the quest. Which is the basis for the questions I asked – as a pioneer, CAN it be done economically for the airlines and affordably for the public? IS anyone looking at these or other questions?

By: Alex

Alex — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:12:28 +0000

“Today I have Delta’s Marie Force” When I first read that I thought that Delta had hired some sort of elite military unit!

Interesting post.

By: B

Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:59:46 +0000

Optimist, for what you are asking, we should remember fares were significantly different in the past from what they are today. Only the rich could afford to fly. Now, it is like taking a bus. The Concorde couldn´t continue making the trips because the cost of jet fuel vs fares paid did not have a good ROI as it was in the beginning.

Don’t expect pioneers in an industry that its own customers have degraded its comfort and style for pennies saved. We are all to blame.

By: The Traveling Optimist

The Traveling Optimist — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:00:40 +0000

A – Agreed. The pioneers were visionaries of what could be. Today’s Sr. Accountants who run most of these airlines don’t allow or are not allowed to wonder what the future will hold and how best to serve the public accordingly.

If I had the kind of vision that CR Smith, Woolman, Hughes and the like had I might ask myself:

a) How can we fly 250-350 across the country and deposit them right in the heart of the city instead of 30 miles out at the airport in the ‘burbs?

In short..how can we eliminate the airport as a necessary component of mass transportation?

b) How can we return to supersonic or near-supersonic travel without harming the environment, atmosphere and burn as much or less fuel as today’s average widebody?

The pioneers started out taking a week and longer to fly across the country. They all lived to see the same trip in six hours or less. 50 years ago! Where is the technology that, airports included for now, will carry 300 people from NY to LA or London in only 2-3 hours or LA to Sydney in only seven?

Marathon flights are marathons precisely because available technology has greatly improved fuel efficiency but done little for speed. In fact, where the 747 debuted with a 625 cruising speed, Airbus and Boeing alike toss out “new” technology aircraft that rarely get above 550mph.

Like anybody wants to spend even more time in the air, customers or labor alike.

Until some new, true pioneers take the reigns of this industry that both infatuates and infuriates us all, I guess we’re stuck with the bean counters tethered at the neck to the stock exchange.

By: A

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:06:54 +0000

Traveling Optimist – by your alternative criteria the earliest “Delta” passenger flights would be when Northwest started passenger service in 1927. Obviously since Delta was the dominant player in the merger they are going to default to Delta history.

You do make a good point though. Today most airlines are forgettable. Service, ammenities, etc. is about the same across all airlines (at least in the US). Most people don’t care if their carrier is Delta or American or whatever so long as they get to their destination on time for a cheap price. What I hope we don’t forget is that when these legacy airlines were founded they were truly pioneers. Great history there for all airlines, not just the few that remain standing today.

By: The Traveling Optimist

The Traveling Optimist — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:07:33 +0000

Which airline is the oldest from a common measuring point, then? And what is that measuring point? The opening of the first business that eventually folded in to the passenger airline or the day the first paying passengers under that brand were carried?

Should the “name” carrier be the beginning or one of its blended, merged, earlier predecessors? In other words, do we measure American as American or do we also include TWAs earliest beginnings as Transcontinental and Western Air?

I’ll simply leave it at that and allow others to comment on how far Delta has come as an airline and how far removed it is today from the service standards it once set so high.