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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/03/04/spirit-adds-a-puf-when-you-buy-a-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-71195</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - That does make sense.  If you use both front and back loading, it should speed it up.  Of course, if you have many elderly or disabled passengers, the addition of stairs might end up slowing things down, but overall I would think it would speed it up.  Also, stairs can eliminate the need for tugs for pushing back.  Often the use of stairs allows the airplane to just power forward and get back on a taxiway.  That&#039;s a big savings as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8211; That does make sense.  If you use both front and back loading, it should speed it up.  Of course, if you have many elderly or disabled passengers, the addition of stairs might end up slowing things down, but overall I would think it would speed it up.  Also, stairs can eliminate the need for tugs for pushing back.  Often the use of stairs allows the airplane to just power forward and get back on a taxiway.  That&#8217;s a big savings as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about being ambiguous -- I know (from experience) that easyJet often use stairs even when jet bridges are available, e.g. at STN (which was my home airport for 3 years). I was told that the reason was turnaround time, and I was wondering whether that is indeed the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about being ambiguous &#8212; I know (from experience) that easyJet often use stairs even when jet bridges are available, e.g. at STN (which was my home airport for 3 years). I was told that the reason was turnaround time, and I was wondering whether that is indeed the case.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - Not sure about European LCCs, but Allegiant prefers not to use jet bridges for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8211; Not sure about European LCCs, but Allegiant prefers not to use jet bridges for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told that certain European LCCs (easyJet come to mind) intentionally shun jet bridges because stairs are faster to set up and allow boarding from both front and aft, reducing turnaround time and thereby increasing aircraft utilisation. Does anyone know if this is correct? If so, then jet bridges do incur a real cost compared to alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told that certain European LCCs (easyJet come to mind) intentionally shun jet bridges because stairs are faster to set up and allow boarding from both front and aft, reducing turnaround time and thereby increasing aircraft utilisation. Does anyone know if this is correct? If so, then jet bridges do incur a real cost compared to alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/03/04/spirit-adds-a-puf-when-you-buy-a-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-71162</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - Would I personally pay $1 to walk on a jet bridge?  Hell no.  I&#039;d pay $1 to walk down the stairs so I&#039;d get to be on the tarmac!  But there are plenty of lazy, overweight people who would pay that $1 if it meant not having to walk stairs.  I think you&#039;re right that the revenue opportunity would be much greater in the US than elsewhere.

As for whether there are any full service airlines left . . . well, it all depends upon your definition.  There are airlines that can provide everything a full service airline would provide but you just have to pay for it a la carte.  Continental still gives you a free meal in coach, so that might be as close as you get.  Or Southwest, of course, with their no fee strategy.  I&#039;ve long thought that at least one airline should be trying to move more upscale here - and that airline should be United.  But they haven&#039;t seen it that way.

Selling individual seats on an airplane is a good idea with really only one problem - what about when there&#039;s a change in the aircraft type?  An airline like United would have a really tough time with this because they have multiple configurations on a single aircraft type.  So it might not be very reliable if you purchased an actual seat, because it may not exist on that aircraft by the time your flight goes.  But the idea is a good one, and some airlines have moved that way by charging a premium for the best seats onboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; Would I personally pay $1 to walk on a jet bridge?  Hell no.  I&#8217;d pay $1 to walk down the stairs so I&#8217;d get to be on the tarmac!  But there are plenty of lazy, overweight people who would pay that $1 if it meant not having to walk stairs.  I think you&#8217;re right that the revenue opportunity would be much greater in the US than elsewhere.</p>
<p>As for whether there are any full service airlines left . . . well, it all depends upon your definition.  There are airlines that can provide everything a full service airline would provide but you just have to pay for it a la carte.  Continental still gives you a free meal in coach, so that might be as close as you get.  Or Southwest, of course, with their no fee strategy.  I&#8217;ve long thought that at least one airline should be trying to move more upscale here &#8211; and that airline should be United.  But they haven&#8217;t seen it that way.</p>
<p>Selling individual seats on an airplane is a good idea with really only one problem &#8211; what about when there&#8217;s a change in the aircraft type?  An airline like United would have a really tough time with this because they have multiple configurations on a single aircraft type.  So it might not be very reliable if you purchased an actual seat, because it may not exist on that aircraft by the time your flight goes.  But the idea is a good one, and some airlines have moved that way by charging a premium for the best seats onboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, that’s exactly what I was thinking. Give people the option to walk up and down a bunch of stairs or allow them to use the jet bridge for $1. I bet a lot of people would just pay the $1.&quot;
Cranky, I have to say that is one of the most American things i&#039;ve heard in a long time!  You&#039;d seriously consider paying to avoid having to walk up 20 stairs?

As always a very thought provoking piece. I don&#039;t see fees continuing to go up like most people predict. Quite a lot of the fees now are for stuff that was being unnecessarily thrown in for free in the past, do you really need a beer on your one hour flight? However I don&#039;t think that the traveling public are stupid and theres a point where these newer, more ridiculous fees, will all add up and people will start to move away. The only problem i see in the US is that all airlines seem to be doing it, correct me if i&#039;m wrong but do you have any full service airlines left? Also the meta search and aggregators are starting to include fee data, as per you&#039;re post about TripAdvisor the other day. When the majority of searches include fees, the airlines can&#039;t get away with adding everything on after you&#039;ve bought the ticket. I think we&#039;ll start to see fees coming down and being rolled back into the base fare.

I have a theory about ticketing and i&#039;m interested to know if you think it would work. Except for the technical issues of implementing it whats to stop airlines selling individual seats on a plane? For example I go to an airlines website to buy a ticket after I&#039;ve selected my flights it brings up a real time seatmap of the plane and shows the different prices for different seats. Rock bottom fares for middle seats at the back, increasing the further towards the front you get. Aisle and window seats cost more, and exit row a premium. I was just thinking of different ways to fly transatlantic with a low cost model. Most things i hear focus on reducing food and drinks and increased fees. However I can live without the freebies but the one thing I would genuinely pay more for is a particular type of seat. Do you think it could work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, that’s exactly what I was thinking. Give people the option to walk up and down a bunch of stairs or allow them to use the jet bridge for $1. I bet a lot of people would just pay the $1.&#8221;<br />
Cranky, I have to say that is one of the most American things i&#8217;ve heard in a long time!  You&#8217;d seriously consider paying to avoid having to walk up 20 stairs?</p>
<p>As always a very thought provoking piece. I don&#8217;t see fees continuing to go up like most people predict. Quite a lot of the fees now are for stuff that was being unnecessarily thrown in for free in the past, do you really need a beer on your one hour flight? However I don&#8217;t think that the traveling public are stupid and theres a point where these newer, more ridiculous fees, will all add up and people will start to move away. The only problem i see in the US is that all airlines seem to be doing it, correct me if i&#8217;m wrong but do you have any full service airlines left? Also the meta search and aggregators are starting to include fee data, as per you&#8217;re post about TripAdvisor the other day. When the majority of searches include fees, the airlines can&#8217;t get away with adding everything on after you&#8217;ve bought the ticket. I think we&#8217;ll start to see fees coming down and being rolled back into the base fare.</p>
<p>I have a theory about ticketing and i&#8217;m interested to know if you think it would work. Except for the technical issues of implementing it whats to stop airlines selling individual seats on a plane? For example I go to an airlines website to buy a ticket after I&#8217;ve selected my flights it brings up a real time seatmap of the plane and shows the different prices for different seats. Rock bottom fares for middle seats at the back, increasing the further towards the front you get. Aisle and window seats cost more, and exit row a premium. I was just thinking of different ways to fly transatlantic with a low cost model. Most things i hear focus on reducing food and drinks and increased fees. However I can live without the freebies but the one thing I would genuinely pay more for is a particular type of seat. Do you think it could work?</p>
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		<title>By: Rui A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rui A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is starting to become more widespread in the European Union, but in Portugal you cannot advertise a fare without including all applicable taxes in the final price.
So when you see flag-carrier TAP, for instance, advertising &quot;Lisbon to Rome, 59€ one-way&quot;, you&#039;re only paying those 59 euros and nothing more.
Unlike Ryanair who still advertise fares at 1 € each way but then add fuel surcharge, credit card surcharge, check-in at the airport surcharge, checked luggage surcharge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is starting to become more widespread in the European Union, but in Portugal you cannot advertise a fare without including all applicable taxes in the final price.<br />
So when you see flag-carrier TAP, for instance, advertising &#8220;Lisbon to Rome, 59€ one-way&#8221;, you&#8217;re only paying those 59 euros and nothing more.<br />
Unlike Ryanair who still advertise fares at 1 € each way but then add fuel surcharge, credit card surcharge, check-in at the airport surcharge, checked luggage surcharge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Spirit Adds a Fee for Booking Online &#124; Flight Wisdom</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/03/04/spirit-adds-a-puf-when-you-buy-a-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-71149</link>
		<dc:creator>Spirit Adds a Fee for Booking Online &#124; Flight Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cranky Flier noted today that Spirit Airlines, known for its lack of taste and ultra-low-fares philosophy is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David SF east bay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SF east bay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think of the people in Europe paying those $9.00 fares which can have $100.00 to $200.00 in government taxes added to the ticket. Their cheap fare just added up. It&#039;s just plain stupid to have fares like that. An ad showing a fare for $9.00 (or whatever it would be in Euros or Pounds) grabs your attention and the taxes that go to each government would be paid on any fare anyway. So no wonder the airlines tack on a fee for everything. You just know one day soon they will be charging a set fare and you will pay by the pound like in the produce section of the grocery store. Well that could be one way of getting people to loose weight....lol

 Maybe it&#039;s time for Washington to start setting the minimum fares that make sense and then let the airlines add to that if they need to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think of the people in Europe paying those $9.00 fares which can have $100.00 to $200.00 in government taxes added to the ticket. Their cheap fare just added up. It&#8217;s just plain stupid to have fares like that. An ad showing a fare for $9.00 (or whatever it would be in Euros or Pounds) grabs your attention and the taxes that go to each government would be paid on any fare anyway. So no wonder the airlines tack on a fee for everything. You just know one day soon they will be charging a set fare and you will pay by the pound like in the produce section of the grocery store. Well that could be one way of getting people to loose weight&#8230;.lol</p>
<p> Maybe it&#8217;s time for Washington to start setting the minimum fares that make sense and then let the airlines add to that if they need to.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/03/04/spirit-adds-a-puf-when-you-buy-a-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-71138</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - Deregulation of the industry is the reason for the seemingly strange pricing trends over the last 30 or 40 years.  We&#039;ve discussed it here from time to time before, most recently I think in &lt;a href=&quot;http://crankyflier.com/2009/01/09/why-im-glad-the-glory-days-of-air-travel-are-gone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this piece on January 9&lt;/a&gt;, but admittedly it still seems very strange.

I think much of what we&#039;re seeing here is simply the response to consumer behavior.  If they advertise a $99 fare, you get drawn in, and you still buy it even if the price doubles when you tack on all the extras.  But if you advertise a $198 fare or, even worse, a $200 fare, people won&#039;t be as attracted to start the process.  The only way to get airlines to stop this is, of course, to have the government regulate it.  That&#039;s happened to some extent, but they continue to find workarounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; Deregulation of the industry is the reason for the seemingly strange pricing trends over the last 30 or 40 years.  We&#8217;ve discussed it here from time to time before, most recently I think in <a href="http://crankyflier.com/2009/01/09/why-im-glad-the-glory-days-of-air-travel-are-gone/" rel="nofollow">this piece on January 9</a>, but admittedly it still seems very strange.</p>
<p>I think much of what we&#8217;re seeing here is simply the response to consumer behavior.  If they advertise a $99 fare, you get drawn in, and you still buy it even if the price doubles when you tack on all the extras.  But if you advertise a $198 fare or, even worse, a $200 fare, people won&#8217;t be as attracted to start the process.  The only way to get airlines to stop this is, of course, to have the government regulate it.  That&#8217;s happened to some extent, but they continue to find workarounds.</p>
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