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	<title>Comments on: V Australia Will Get You To Seattle with Alaska, Not Virgin America</title>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/02/02/v-australia-will-get-you-to-seattle-with-alaska-not-virgin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-71396</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Papa Pancho - Yep.  Virgin Blue CEO Brett Godfrey &lt;a href=&quot;http://crankyflier.com/2009/02/09/across-the-aisle-from-virgin-blue-ceo-brett-godfrey-at-v-australia-launch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;confirmed that for me in an interview&lt;/a&gt; last month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papa Pancho &#8211; Yep.  Virgin Blue CEO Brett Godfrey <a href="http://crankyflier.com/2009/02/09/across-the-aisle-from-virgin-blue-ceo-brett-godfrey-at-v-australia-launch/" rel="nofollow">confirmed that for me in an interview</a> last month.</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Pancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papa Pancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think the above statement is entirely correct that VX cannot and will not do business with VA. The system integration testing has already commenced and the business will soon flourish. No worries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think the above statement is entirely correct that VX cannot and will not do business with VA. The system integration testing has already commenced and the business will soon flourish. No worries.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>250Kflier - I spoke with Brett Godfrey at the V Australia launch yesterday and he said the same thing.  I&#039;ll have more on this including a video of a four minute interview with Godfrey in my Monday post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>250Kflier &#8211; I spoke with Brett Godfrey at the V Australia launch yesterday and he said the same thing.  I&#8217;ll have more on this including a video of a four minute interview with Godfrey in my Monday post.</p>
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		<title>By: 250Kflier</title>
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		<dc:creator>250Kflier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to a Virgin executive I spoke with, the issue here is the AiRES reservations system that VX uses.

For now, it appears that VX can&#039;t do interline ticketing in AiRES. They&#039;re working on system improvements that will allow both interline and codeshare. I&#039;m told there are no government issues/concerns with VX and V Australia. The US government focus has been and appears to remain on the relationship between VX and VS, since Sir Richard has a higher ownership stake in VS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a Virgin executive I spoke with, the issue here is the AiRES reservations system that VX uses.</p>
<p>For now, it appears that VX can&#8217;t do interline ticketing in AiRES. They&#8217;re working on system improvements that will allow both interline and codeshare. I&#8217;m told there are no government issues/concerns with VX and V Australia. The US government focus has been and appears to remain on the relationship between VX and VS, since Sir Richard has a higher ownership stake in VS.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - Nah, I doubt it.  These financial statements are now several months old, so Virgin has known how that airline has been trending for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; Nah, I doubt it.  These financial statements are now several months old, so Virgin has known how that airline has been trending for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think this has anything to do with the Virgin America financial statements released today?

To me it looks as if the Virgin company plans on cutting Virgin America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think this has anything to do with the Virgin America financial statements released today?</p>
<p>To me it looks as if the Virgin company plans on cutting Virgin America.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - VX is not purposefully sticking to their LCC model, because they&#039;ve specifically said that they will be codesharing with V Australia.  This just means that they haven&#039;t been able to put it together yet.  The connectivity post was a good one - that may very well be the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; VX is not purposefully sticking to their LCC model, because they&#8217;ve specifically said that they will be codesharing with V Australia.  This just means that they haven&#8217;t been able to put it together yet.  The connectivity post was a good one &#8211; that may very well be the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wardlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wardlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MCTs for connections between flights of a single airline, yes - but even this can be incredibly complex.  The governing airport authority and regulatory/security officials can and usually will be involved.  And frequently, airlines won&#039;t want to invite or create connections because they can get higher yields off of the individual segments.

When it&#039;s two different airlines - and VA and VX are definitely two different airlines - then you have a host of other issues - especially baggage - to deal with.  But as Sfeastbay pointed out, VA and VX don&#039;t even issue each others&#039; tickets.  VX in fact doesn&#039;t appear to have interline ticketing agreements with anybody but (oddly - GSA agreement?) Air Astana.

Meaning VX is sticking to its LCC model.  And adhering to that politically correct bright line of separation between themselves and the other Virgin Group carriers.  I suspect that, one fine day when the Obama adminstration has settled in and is busy with other matters (AA strikes, perhaps?), VX will discreetely, casually - nothing to see here! - change their SEA (and other) schedules, for whatever reason.  And they&#039;ll discover - how&#039;d that happen??? - that they can now interline with VA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCTs for connections between flights of a single airline, yes &#8211; but even this can be incredibly complex.  The governing airport authority and regulatory/security officials can and usually will be involved.  And frequently, airlines won&#8217;t want to invite or create connections because they can get higher yields off of the individual segments.</p>
<p>When it&#8217;s two different airlines &#8211; and VA and VX are definitely two different airlines &#8211; then you have a host of other issues &#8211; especially baggage &#8211; to deal with.  But as Sfeastbay pointed out, VA and VX don&#8217;t even issue each others&#8217; tickets.  VX in fact doesn&#8217;t appear to have interline ticketing agreements with anybody but (oddly &#8211; GSA agreement?) Air Astana.</p>
<p>Meaning VX is sticking to its LCC model.  And adhering to that politically correct bright line of separation between themselves and the other Virgin Group carriers.  I suspect that, one fine day when the Obama adminstration has settled in and is busy with other matters (AA strikes, perhaps?), VX will discreetely, casually &#8211; nothing to see here! &#8211; change their SEA (and other) schedules, for whatever reason.  And they&#8217;ll discover &#8211; how&#8217;d that happen??? &#8211; that they can now interline with VA.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - I always thought that Minimum Connecting Times were created by the airlines, no?  I don&#039;t see why Virgin America couldn&#039;t file a 60 minute MCT for SEA-SYD via LAX.  The 2 hour intl to domestic is fine with the existing schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; I always thought that Minimum Connecting Times were created by the airlines, no?  I don&#8217;t see why Virgin America couldn&#8217;t file a 60 minute MCT for SEA-SYD via LAX.  The 2 hour intl to domestic is fine with the existing schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wardlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wardlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CF - 90 minutes is the minimum connect time distributed in the GDS for SEA-SYD via LAX.  Travel agencies would see a prompt when they tried to book it, and online systems shouldn&#039;t be able to display or close the record with a 1:10 connection.  Without a valid MCT, the airline(s) would not be responsible for reaccomodating passengers.  I can see some travelers saying &#039;OK but 70 minutes is no problem&#039; - but they would also have to know that if their VX flight was slightly delayed and they missed their connection, there would be no sympathy for them at the counter.

Ellis - like I said, speculative.  Only, as the guy from AS pointed out in the FT forum, it doesn&#039;t make much sense for VA to be pimping its &#039;partnership&#039; with AS.  SPA contracts like that are common as dirt among airlines.  If AS is a &#039;partner&#039; then any airline with whom VA has a SPA is a &#039;partner&#039; - and anyone who has an interline baggage agreement, etc.  Which will eventually be, in theory, most airlines in the world as VA grows into other markets.  It would be like me advertising my &#039;partnership&#039; with the guy who delivers our bottled water.  

It&#039;s a third-world airline kind of thing to do, which doesn&#039;t seem very much like Virgin Group&#039;s style.  But if one wanted to reassure regulators that there was nothing hinky to see in the growing web of Virgin Group carriers, then one might tiptoe around relationships with VX etc and aggressively promote one&#039;s &#039;partnership&#039; with homegrown airlines.  Remember a lot of people in AU freaked out when BA was going to buy QF - it is an even bigger issue here in the US, esp. with the new government.

Of course, it could be a thousand other things - technology, prorate disagreements between VA and VX, etc.  If VA and VX are truly separate carriers, then it would follow that they might not see eye to eye.  And AS as noted in the FT forum is really easy going about codeshares so long as it&#039;s not with a Star Alliance carrier - their CS agreements out of SEA and LAX are pretty broad.  There may be a richer relationship in the pipeline, therefore a shout out from VA about the partnership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF &#8211; 90 minutes is the minimum connect time distributed in the GDS for SEA-SYD via LAX.  Travel agencies would see a prompt when they tried to book it, and online systems shouldn&#8217;t be able to display or close the record with a 1:10 connection.  Without a valid MCT, the airline(s) would not be responsible for reaccomodating passengers.  I can see some travelers saying &#8216;OK but 70 minutes is no problem&#8217; &#8211; but they would also have to know that if their VX flight was slightly delayed and they missed their connection, there would be no sympathy for them at the counter.</p>
<p>Ellis &#8211; like I said, speculative.  Only, as the guy from AS pointed out in the FT forum, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense for VA to be pimping its &#8216;partnership&#8217; with AS.  SPA contracts like that are common as dirt among airlines.  If AS is a &#8216;partner&#8217; then any airline with whom VA has a SPA is a &#8216;partner&#8217; &#8211; and anyone who has an interline baggage agreement, etc.  Which will eventually be, in theory, most airlines in the world as VA grows into other markets.  It would be like me advertising my &#8216;partnership&#8217; with the guy who delivers our bottled water.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a third-world airline kind of thing to do, which doesn&#8217;t seem very much like Virgin Group&#8217;s style.  But if one wanted to reassure regulators that there was nothing hinky to see in the growing web of Virgin Group carriers, then one might tiptoe around relationships with VX etc and aggressively promote one&#8217;s &#8216;partnership&#8217; with homegrown airlines.  Remember a lot of people in AU freaked out when BA was going to buy QF &#8211; it is an even bigger issue here in the US, esp. with the new government.</p>
<p>Of course, it could be a thousand other things &#8211; technology, prorate disagreements between VA and VX, etc.  If VA and VX are truly separate carriers, then it would follow that they might not see eye to eye.  And AS as noted in the FT forum is really easy going about codeshares so long as it&#8217;s not with a Star Alliance carrier &#8211; their CS agreements out of SEA and LAX are pretty broad.  There may be a richer relationship in the pipeline, therefore a shout out from VA about the partnership.</p>
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