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	<title>Comments on: Italians Look to Kill Rome&#8217;s Ciampino Airport, Help Alitalia</title>
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		<title>By: James Quinlan</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2009/01/28/italians-look-to-kill-romes-ciampino-airport-help-alitalia/comment-page-1/#comment-79190</link>
		<dc:creator>James Quinlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-79141&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sandra&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:

Sandra I have flown out Ciampino on Easyjet gazing down at the housing surrounding the airport and have thought how badly located the airport is. (I am a urban planner by profession).

Now easyjet fly to Fiumicino I much prefer that route because of the Leonardo express goes straight to Terminii where I can pick up train to Orvieto where I have a house.</description>
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<p>Sandra I have flown out Ciampino on Easyjet gazing down at the housing surrounding the airport and have thought how badly located the airport is. (I am a urban planner by profession).</p>
<p>Now easyjet fly to Fiumicino I much prefer that route because of the Leonardo express goes straight to Terminii where I can pick up train to Orvieto where I have a house.</p>
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		<title>By: James Quinlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Quinlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Viterbo is not so much of a problem from Roma as it is on busy suburban rail route; it is actually easier than Ciampino. The real problem for Ciampino is that is prime real estate and the Roma authorities see it a development site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Viterbo is not so much of a problem from Roma as it is on busy suburban rail route; it is actually easier than Ciampino. The real problem for Ciampino is that is prime real estate and the Roma authorities see it a development site.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to add that the low-cost flights in/out Ciampino have increased by 700% (yes 700%) since 2001!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to add that the low-cost flights in/out Ciampino have increased by 700% (yes 700%) since 2001!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in S. Maria delle Mole and moved here in 1982 when there was no Ryanair and so-called low-cost flights.  We moved here from the city for peace and quiet.  Yes, the airport was built in 1916, primarily as a military airport.  What type of planes were flying then!!!  Not Ryanair that is for sure!   Our whole lives have been ruined by Ryanair.  First flight at 6.30 am and last, if it is not delayed, at 11.45, 7 days a week.  We live in a 2-storey house and it is as if Ryanair is flying into our bedrooms.  We cannot hear one another speak and watching TV in the evening is a nightmare.   In July 2009 the Ciampino authorities were told they had one month to remove the low-cost flights from Ciampino.  Of course again the Mafia has not removed these flights.  They are ruining peoples lives and health.   How can one of you be so rude to criticize Ms. Lisa above in such a way when you obviously don&#039;t live here.  There are homes 150 metres from the runway and these were not built &quot;abusivo&quot;.  There are 180 flights arriving/departing Ciampino.  It has been proved that the decibels and junk being emitted from these planes is not legal.  Obviously alla Italiana we have to suffer the illegalities.   Of course Mr. Michael O&#039;Leary doesn&#039;t want to move to Fiumicino where it may cost a bit more.  He wants to remove the toilets from his planes to get another 6 seats in or at least make you pay to go to the toilet.  With this type of mentality what can one expect - he was in Rome recently, staying in the centre and accused the Italian authorities that their Crystal testing was not correct!!!   There just aren&#039;t words.   And for someone to defend the illegality of flights in/out Ciampino is incredible.  Travel in a Ryanair and see how they cut across S. Maria delle Mole, something the charter flights never did.   Come and live in S. Maria delle Mole before passing comment, especially some of the rude comments I have read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in S. Maria delle Mole and moved here in 1982 when there was no Ryanair and so-called low-cost flights.  We moved here from the city for peace and quiet.  Yes, the airport was built in 1916, primarily as a military airport.  What type of planes were flying then!!!  Not Ryanair that is for sure!   Our whole lives have been ruined by Ryanair.  First flight at 6.30 am and last, if it is not delayed, at 11.45, 7 days a week.  We live in a 2-storey house and it is as if Ryanair is flying into our bedrooms.  We cannot hear one another speak and watching TV in the evening is a nightmare.   In July 2009 the Ciampino authorities were told they had one month to remove the low-cost flights from Ciampino.  Of course again the Mafia has not removed these flights.  They are ruining peoples lives and health.   How can one of you be so rude to criticize Ms. Lisa above in such a way when you obviously don&#8217;t live here.  There are homes 150 metres from the runway and these were not built &#8220;abusivo&#8221;.  There are 180 flights arriving/departing Ciampino.  It has been proved that the decibels and junk being emitted from these planes is not legal.  Obviously alla Italiana we have to suffer the illegalities.   Of course Mr. Michael O&#8217;Leary doesn&#8217;t want to move to Fiumicino where it may cost a bit more.  He wants to remove the toilets from his planes to get another 6 seats in or at least make you pay to go to the toilet.  With this type of mentality what can one expect &#8211; he was in Rome recently, staying in the centre and accused the Italian authorities that their Crystal testing was not correct!!!   There just aren&#8217;t words.   And for someone to defend the illegality of flights in/out Ciampino is incredible.  Travel in a Ryanair and see how they cut across S. Maria delle Mole, something the charter flights never did.   Come and live in S. Maria delle Mole before passing comment, especially some of the rude comments I have read.</p>
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		<title>By: James Quinlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Quinlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roma Viterbo will be Rome&#039;s third airport like Stansted is ours. Cimapino is overcrowded and so constrained by existing development it has reached capacity. The Italian government made the decision to develope Viterbo in 2007 and it will be fully operational by 2010 (imagine a new airport in UK taking 3 years! With the whineing Nimbys it takes 25 years!).

The good thing about Viterbo is that it is superbly accessible by trains with the relatively underused suburban routes from Roma (two routes) and  to the high speed network at Orte and the main cruise port at Civitivecchia being within easy reach. It is s good location and easier to get to than Ciampino despite its City Centre location.

Experience will tell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roma Viterbo will be Rome&#8217;s third airport like Stansted is ours. Cimapino is overcrowded and so constrained by existing development it has reached capacity. The Italian government made the decision to develope Viterbo in 2007 and it will be fully operational by 2010 (imagine a new airport in UK taking 3 years! With the whineing Nimbys it takes 25 years!).</p>
<p>The good thing about Viterbo is that it is superbly accessible by trains with the relatively underused suburban routes from Roma (two routes) and  to the high speed network at Orte and the main cruise port at Civitivecchia being within easy reach. It is s good location and easier to get to than Ciampino despite its City Centre location.</p>
<p>Experience will tell</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa - Sounds like another NIMBY argument.  Military flights are louder and pollute more than commercial flights by far.  If you moved near an airport, you should have expected that flights would continue and could increase.  I&#039;m not sure how the flights are illegal.  Please elaborate.  Ryanair uses 737-800s which meet all noise and pollution regulations right now.

Ryanair doesn&#039;t want to move to Fiumicino because I imagine it&#039;s more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa &#8211; Sounds like another NIMBY argument.  Military flights are louder and pollute more than commercial flights by far.  If you moved near an airport, you should have expected that flights would continue and could increase.  I&#8217;m not sure how the flights are illegal.  Please elaborate.  Ryanair uses 737-800s which meet all noise and pollution regulations right now.</p>
<p>Ryanair doesn&#8217;t want to move to Fiumicino because I imagine it&#8217;s more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello to all those who have left comments.  I know that most of the comments here are old but I felt the need to write and explain what is really happening at Ciampino airport.

I cannot believe that once again Ryanair is manipulating the facts to gain public support.

Wanting to close down Ciampino has absolutely NOTHING to do with Alitalia and is something which we, the residents of the areas around Ciampino have been battling for many years.

Yes, you are right, the airport of Ciampino was built in 1916 but solely for military purposes which meant occasional and very small flights.  There were no plans or licenses to extend it to commercial flights when all the surrounding houses were built.  

With the advent of low cost flights Ryanair had paid its way through and has bought out Ciampino airport.  The fault is also of our politicians but it’s the 15.000 people who live around Ciampino that are now paying the consequences.

I live in a town about 3kms from the airport and the situation has become UNSUSTAINABLE.  I cannot even begin to explain how bad it now is.  The first Ryanair plane leaves at 6.30 in the morning, 7 days a week and the last plane is at 11.45.  There are more than a hundred planes in between which are so loud that our house actually shakes.  We chose to move out of the city to live in the quiet of the countryside and now this is what we have to contend with.  Whenever a plane goes by it is so loud that we actually have to stop speaking.  

The worst thing about this whole situation is that the levels of noise and pollution are ILLEGAL.  They do not respect any Italian or European laws and has been proven that this is the case.  Not only is noise a very big issue but the hospitals around Ciampino dispense the highest quantities of anti-cancerogenous drugs in the whole of Lazio because of the airport pollution.

I do understand that for those who aren&#039;t involved Ryanair is just a way to get around cheaply but I can assure you that for those who are affected by the noise and pollution around Ciampino it is a whole different picture.  

It&#039;s up to you whether you choose to believe Ryanair&#039;s propaganda or the words of someone who lives in the area but, if Ryanair&#039;s story is true why haven&#039;t they chosen to accept the possibility to move all their flights to Fiumicino as has been suggested in the past?  That would help them compete directly with Alitalia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello to all those who have left comments.  I know that most of the comments here are old but I felt the need to write and explain what is really happening at Ciampino airport.</p>
<p>I cannot believe that once again Ryanair is manipulating the facts to gain public support.</p>
<p>Wanting to close down Ciampino has absolutely NOTHING to do with Alitalia and is something which we, the residents of the areas around Ciampino have been battling for many years.</p>
<p>Yes, you are right, the airport of Ciampino was built in 1916 but solely for military purposes which meant occasional and very small flights.  There were no plans or licenses to extend it to commercial flights when all the surrounding houses were built.  </p>
<p>With the advent of low cost flights Ryanair had paid its way through and has bought out Ciampino airport.  The fault is also of our politicians but it’s the 15.000 people who live around Ciampino that are now paying the consequences.</p>
<p>I live in a town about 3kms from the airport and the situation has become UNSUSTAINABLE.  I cannot even begin to explain how bad it now is.  The first Ryanair plane leaves at 6.30 in the morning, 7 days a week and the last plane is at 11.45.  There are more than a hundred planes in between which are so loud that our house actually shakes.  We chose to move out of the city to live in the quiet of the countryside and now this is what we have to contend with.  Whenever a plane goes by it is so loud that we actually have to stop speaking.  </p>
<p>The worst thing about this whole situation is that the levels of noise and pollution are ILLEGAL.  They do not respect any Italian or European laws and has been proven that this is the case.  Not only is noise a very big issue but the hospitals around Ciampino dispense the highest quantities of anti-cancerogenous drugs in the whole of Lazio because of the airport pollution.</p>
<p>I do understand that for those who aren&#8217;t involved Ryanair is just a way to get around cheaply but I can assure you that for those who are affected by the noise and pollution around Ciampino it is a whole different picture.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to you whether you choose to believe Ryanair&#8217;s propaganda or the words of someone who lives in the area but, if Ryanair&#8217;s story is true why haven&#8217;t they chosen to accept the possibility to move all their flights to Fiumicino as has been suggested in the past?  That would help them compete directly with Alitalia.</p>
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		<title>By: Bel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CF - thank you very much for the link I will take a look at it today :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF &#8211; thank you very much for the link I will take a look at it today :)</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon - In general, I try to be conscious of rail links, but I must admit that I don&#039;t know a ton about the Rome situation.  My understanding is that there&#039;s easy rail links to Fiumicino and there will be to Viterbo once they upgrade it (whenever that is).  Ciampino has nothing easy, but since it&#039;s fairly close to the city, the frequent coach service is adequate.  But even with a good rail link to Viterbo, the extra mileage will still make it far less convenient that Fiumicino.

BTW, I&#039;m one of the SoCal guys who loves the Bay Area (and tried not to leave after I finished up at Stanford, but my job took me elsewhere).  I&#039;m also a big public transit fan.  When I first moved back down to LA, I took public transit to work for over a year - definitely not a common thing in these parts.  We also live fairly close to the Blue Line rail here, so I take that up to downtown LA on occasion.  So I definitely try to carry that mindset with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon &#8211; In general, I try to be conscious of rail links, but I must admit that I don&#8217;t know a ton about the Rome situation.  My understanding is that there&#8217;s easy rail links to Fiumicino and there will be to Viterbo once they upgrade it (whenever that is).  Ciampino has nothing easy, but since it&#8217;s fairly close to the city, the frequent coach service is adequate.  But even with a good rail link to Viterbo, the extra mileage will still make it far less convenient that Fiumicino.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m one of the SoCal guys who loves the Bay Area (and tried not to leave after I finished up at Stanford, but my job took me elsewhere).  I&#8217;m also a big public transit fan.  When I first moved back down to LA, I took public transit to work for over a year &#8211; definitely not a common thing in these parts.  We also live fairly close to the Blue Line rail here, so I take that up to downtown LA on occasion.  So I definitely try to carry that mindset with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky, it sounds like you&#039;re already concnious of the point I was trying to make and my example was poor, You can put that down to my NorCal chauvinism about SoCalers.I got the impression from some of our Italian commentators that there was a rail link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky, it sounds like you&#8217;re already concnious of the point I was trying to make and my example was poor, You can put that down to my NorCal chauvinism about SoCalers.I got the impression from some of our Italian commentators that there was a rail link.</p>
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