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		<title>By: Brussels To New Delhi - Johnny Jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brussels To New Delhi - Johnny Jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the 2008 theme, our friend Brett Snyder from CrankyFlier.com did another great job documenting the airlines we lost in 2008. Hopefully, the economy will turn around and we won&#8217;t lose so many in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the 2008 theme, our friend Brett Snyder from CrankyFlier.com did another great job documenting the airlines we lost in 2008. Hopefully, the economy will turn around and we won&#8217;t lose so many in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/31/airlines-we-lost-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-103572</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two weeks ago me and my brother talked about getting into the airline business
and we are going to start with only 4 737 jet&#039;s we wont be flying out of the country only regional within canada from toronto we dont have a name yet but
if you have one please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two weeks ago me and my brother talked about getting into the airline business<br />
and we are going to start with only 4 737 jet&#8217;s we wont be flying out of the country only regional within canada from toronto we dont have a name yet but<br />
if you have one please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/31/airlines-we-lost-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-72857</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ - I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s a definitive list, so you may have to cobble them together.  You can look at sites like Wikipedia, but of course, be careful.  There are other sites as well, like this one: http://www.justplanes.com/AirlineHist.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ &#8211; I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s a definitive list, so you may have to cobble them together.  You can look at sites like Wikipedia, but of course, be careful.  There are other sites as well, like this one: <a href="http://www.justplanes.com/AirlineHist.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.justplanes.com/AirlineHist.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/31/airlines-we-lost-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-72715</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know how many airlines went bust in 2008 alone? I need it for my coursework.
Well appreciated
Thanks
btw - great list</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how many airlines went bust in 2008 alone? I need it for my coursework.<br />
Well appreciated<br />
Thanks<br />
btw &#8211; great list</p>
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		<title>By: Airlines We Lost in 2008 &#124; Airport Spotting Blog</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/31/airlines-we-lost-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-69442</link>
		<dc:creator>Airlines We Lost in 2008 &#124; Airport Spotting Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bananamanuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bananamanuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CF thanks for that, as you say there are probably many more - unfortunately - that could have been added to the list. I think you raise a really good point about Air Asia X as well, I never thought about their labour costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CF thanks for that, as you say there are probably many more &#8211; unfortunately &#8211; that could have been added to the list. I think you raise a really good point about Air Asia X as well, I never thought about their labour costs.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bananamanuk - I actually had LTE, Futura, and Euromanx on my list, but I decided to leave them off since they were very small and/or charter.  I could have found plenty more, I&#039;m sure.

Thanks for the very good summary on the premium airline situation in London.  While I&#039;m sure that AA&#039;s entrance and subsequent exit hurt the little guys, I don&#039;t think they would have survived even without AA ever entering.  Fuel was ultimately what did them in.  I mean, the cost of sending a 757 with 48 seats across the Atlantic skyrocketed with high fuel.  Of course, it&#039;s hard to say if they would have made it even with lower fuel prices.

Oh, and about Air Asia X.  Besides the tremendous feed opportunity from the Air Asia network, they have one more thing going for them.  Labor costs are nonexistent because wages are so low in that part of the world.  That can help profitability a lot.

PJNelsen - Yep, Primaris was another one I left off the list.  They were so small and only did charter.  Their grand plans for flying passenger 787s in premium configurations never even got close to happening, and they ended up being just a lot more talk than anything.  That&#039;s why I left them off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bananamanuk &#8211; I actually had LTE, Futura, and Euromanx on my list, but I decided to leave them off since they were very small and/or charter.  I could have found plenty more, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Thanks for the very good summary on the premium airline situation in London.  While I&#8217;m sure that AA&#8217;s entrance and subsequent exit hurt the little guys, I don&#8217;t think they would have survived even without AA ever entering.  Fuel was ultimately what did them in.  I mean, the cost of sending a 757 with 48 seats across the Atlantic skyrocketed with high fuel.  Of course, it&#8217;s hard to say if they would have made it even with lower fuel prices.</p>
<p>Oh, and about Air Asia X.  Besides the tremendous feed opportunity from the Air Asia network, they have one more thing going for them.  Labor costs are nonexistent because wages are so low in that part of the world.  That can help profitability a lot.</p>
<p>PJNelsen &#8211; Yep, Primaris was another one I left off the list.  They were so small and only did charter.  Their grand plans for flying passenger 787s in premium configurations never even got close to happening, and they ended up being just a lot more talk than anything.  That&#8217;s why I left them off.</p>
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		<title>By: PJNelsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJNelsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see Primaris Airlines on this list.  Unfortunately for them, they ceased operations in early December 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see Primaris Airlines on this list.  Unfortunately for them, they ceased operations in early December 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Bananamanuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bananamanuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just came across this site and have to say, well done on your list. I thought this sort of information would be widely available, but I&#039;ve not seen anything as comprehensive and well presented as this. I also like your personal take on each concerned.

I know you say this isn&#039;t a full list but a couple of other european airlines that failed this year are LTE (Spanish charter) Futura (Spanish charter) Futura Gael (Irish/Spanish parent charter) and Euromanx (Isle of Man regional).

The other thing I&#039;d like to say is regarding EOS &amp; SilverJet. EOS, based at Stansted airport in London was a top end carrier as you likely know working with its founder. It offered a first class service at business rates, but it, like MaxJet (more of a step above premium economy, but not quite business!?) not only had the problems of credit and fuel prices but also of American Airlines. AA decided to launch on the same JFK-STN routing, OK it offered economy class, but I strongly believe it was only servicing it&#039;s pre-existing route authorities to kill both carriers. Job done it quit the airport. I do believe that there was a niche for both airlines, perhaps EOS moreso, but perhaps not from STN.

SilverJet had what EOS never had - it&#039;s own terminal, which in some ways made it&#039;s offering even more first class, even though it was positioned as below EOS but above MaxJet in it&#039;s offering!! SilverJet appeared to have a fairly promising start, but like all things, it takes time, I think they had an awful lot of capital expense to start with, partly offset by use of Newark and Luton. But the arrival of AA down the road (with it&#039;s Frequent Flyer program and route network) didn&#039;t help it, nor the fact that MaxJet &amp; EOS pipped it to the post in commencing ops. Of course neither then did the negativity surrounding MaxJet and EOS&#039;s failures. The spotlight was on SilverJet and it doesn&#039;t matter how good a company is, once the media and negativity takes hold, the bookings dry up and bang. 

I&#039;m not an expert, but an enthusiast, and I like the idea of the small guy&#039;s having a go. I like competition too, but where it&#039;s fair. Short term greed doesn&#039;t work well either, I look at Stansted airport now, which has gone from 3 to 0 transatlantic services - once again. It will be interesting how Air Asia X fares - the main difference there is it&#039;s pre-existing internal asian route networks making it attractive for connections... I think Richard Branson&#039;s hand&#039;s in there somewhere too.

Once again, thanks for a great summary - sorry to ramble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just came across this site and have to say, well done on your list. I thought this sort of information would be widely available, but I&#8217;ve not seen anything as comprehensive and well presented as this. I also like your personal take on each concerned.</p>
<p>I know you say this isn&#8217;t a full list but a couple of other european airlines that failed this year are LTE (Spanish charter) Futura (Spanish charter) Futura Gael (Irish/Spanish parent charter) and Euromanx (Isle of Man regional).</p>
<p>The other thing I&#8217;d like to say is regarding EOS &amp; SilverJet. EOS, based at Stansted airport in London was a top end carrier as you likely know working with its founder. It offered a first class service at business rates, but it, like MaxJet (more of a step above premium economy, but not quite business!?) not only had the problems of credit and fuel prices but also of American Airlines. AA decided to launch on the same JFK-STN routing, OK it offered economy class, but I strongly believe it was only servicing it&#8217;s pre-existing route authorities to kill both carriers. Job done it quit the airport. I do believe that there was a niche for both airlines, perhaps EOS moreso, but perhaps not from STN.</p>
<p>SilverJet had what EOS never had &#8211; it&#8217;s own terminal, which in some ways made it&#8217;s offering even more first class, even though it was positioned as below EOS but above MaxJet in it&#8217;s offering!! SilverJet appeared to have a fairly promising start, but like all things, it takes time, I think they had an awful lot of capital expense to start with, partly offset by use of Newark and Luton. But the arrival of AA down the road (with it&#8217;s Frequent Flyer program and route network) didn&#8217;t help it, nor the fact that MaxJet &amp; EOS pipped it to the post in commencing ops. Of course neither then did the negativity surrounding MaxJet and EOS&#8217;s failures. The spotlight was on SilverJet and it doesn&#8217;t matter how good a company is, once the media and negativity takes hold, the bookings dry up and bang. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert, but an enthusiast, and I like the idea of the small guy&#8217;s having a go. I like competition too, but where it&#8217;s fair. Short term greed doesn&#8217;t work well either, I look at Stansted airport now, which has gone from 3 to 0 transatlantic services &#8211; once again. It will be interesting how Air Asia X fares &#8211; the main difference there is it&#8217;s pre-existing internal asian route networks making it attractive for connections&#8230; I think Richard Branson&#8217;s hand&#8217;s in there somewhere too.</p>
<p>Once again, thanks for a great summary &#8211; sorry to ramble!</p>
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		<title>By: PF</title>
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		<dc:creator>PF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Skybus - 
It&#039;s not difficult to get high load factors if the fare is low enough.   The trick is to do it and make money.
Happy New Year -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Skybus &#8211;<br />
It&#8217;s not difficult to get high load factors if the fare is low enough.   The trick is to do it and make money.<br />
Happy New Year -</p>
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