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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/19/trip-report-a-mess-of-a-trip/comment-page-1/#comment-68554</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God what a nightmare lol.  Did you see that piece on 60 Minutes last night about TSA?  Highly reccomend it...I am sure you can see it online.  Have a good Haunakwanzamas man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God what a nightmare lol.  Did you see that piece on 60 Minutes last night about TSA?  Highly reccomend it&#8230;I am sure you can see it online.  Have a good Haunakwanzamas man!</p>
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		<title>By: Skinny</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/19/trip-report-a-mess-of-a-trip/comment-page-1/#comment-68552</link>
		<dc:creator>Skinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me I need to send a letter to CO complimenting one flight crew on a fantastic trip (CUN-EWR) and complaining about another (EWR-CUN) where when I asked for a glass of water for my wife to take a pill I got a noticeable roll of the eyes. If I could have gotten it myself, I would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me I need to send a letter to CO complimenting one flight crew on a fantastic trip (CUN-EWR) and complaining about another (EWR-CUN) where when I asked for a glass of water for my wife to take a pill I got a noticeable roll of the eyes. If I could have gotten it myself, I would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Barnard</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/19/trip-report-a-mess-of-a-trip/comment-page-1/#comment-68539</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Barnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC - 
Re: &quot;You know enough about the business to understand that the ability to handle exceptions doesn’t just happen.&quot;

You know this one is pretty simple to work around.  Any business is about handling exceptions, and airlines do handle exceptions, and know how to handle exceptions.  A simple proposed procedure for this - have people go to the &quot;preferred line&quot;  Tell the agents there to allow anyone in who&#039;s flight departs in less than x minutes.  Simple enough, effective, and reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC &#8211;<br />
Re: &#8220;You know enough about the business to understand that the ability to handle exceptions doesn’t just happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know this one is pretty simple to work around.  Any business is about handling exceptions, and airlines do handle exceptions, and know how to handle exceptions.  A simple proposed procedure for this &#8211; have people go to the &#8220;preferred line&#8221;  Tell the agents there to allow anyone in who&#8217;s flight departs in less than x minutes.  Simple enough, effective, and reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/19/trip-report-a-mess-of-a-trip/comment-page-1/#comment-68514</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC - Nothing wrong with a good discussion!  Happy holidays to you as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC &#8211; Nothing wrong with a good discussion!  Happy holidays to you as well.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/12/19/trip-report-a-mess-of-a-trip/comment-page-1/#comment-68511</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky - I&#039;m with you 100 percent on that.  Especially the on-the-spot wait time estimates - good idea.  How hard could that be?  Sorry if I was a bit abrasive.  Happy holidays, happy new year, and happy new administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky &#8211; I&#8217;m with you 100 percent on that.  Especially the on-the-spot wait time estimates &#8211; good idea.  How hard could that be?  Sorry if I was a bit abrasive.  Happy holidays, happy new year, and happy new administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy of HoboTraveler.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy of HoboTraveler.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how people comment on the blog, I was telling this editor the other day about Travel Blogs. I said the most popular blogs are when people can share the same experience. Then to double it up by sharing complaints doubles up the comments. I do understand why you call it the cranky flier.Andy of HoboTraveler.com in Guatemala</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how people comment on the blog, I was telling this editor the other day about Travel Blogs. I said the most popular blogs are when people can share the same experience. Then to double it up by sharing complaints doubles up the comments. I do understand why you call it the cranky flier.Andy of HoboTraveler.com in Guatemala</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Lusk - Thanks for checking.  I figured it wasn&#039;t just sitting on the ground for nothing, but we never heard anything.  You could tell the Tucson agents were very stressed out.  The line at gates A4/A6 (where it appears most Southwest flights leave from in Tucson) never died down the entire 3+ hours I was sitting there.  So I&#039;m sure their nerves were frayed.  Just a couple announcements would have been nice.

DC - I&#039;m going to respond to you point by point this time.

&gt; Could the TSA do better? Yes, I think you are right. 
&gt; But are you suggesting they should not follow procedure
&gt; when it comes to you? 

Absolutely not.  I would never ask for a special exemption on anything.  I want this sort of treatment to extend to everyone who is running late.  The TSA may be a security organization, but that doesn&#039;t give it the right to be exempt from customer service.  People run late, and the TSA should work to accommodate that.  

&gt; You know enough about the business to understand
&gt; that the ability to handle exceptions doesn’t just happen.

That sounds like a cop out to me.  First of all, the TSA could at least have rough estimates of how long it would take to get through the line.  They couldn&#039;t even give me that information.  Then they could have line minders going through the security line to determine which people wouldn&#039;t make it and pull them up to the front to allow them through.  It&#039;s not that hard to do.  And since this isn&#039;t a normal-sized line at LAX these days, you&#039;re not going to find people trying to cheat the system.  People wouldn&#039;t have expected to see that line, so it&#039;s really only people who were legitimately running late.

&gt; It’s not at all hard to lie. Just show up late and 
&gt; show your boarding pass. Do you really expect 
&gt; line employees to be able to filter those types out? 
&gt; The only way TSA should allow you to cut the line 
&gt; is if they have procedures and training so they can 
&gt; be fair to everyone. (You still did not explain why 
&gt; you feel entitled to cut ahead of other passengers 
&gt; who were delayed).

That&#039;s not lying, that&#039;s cheating.  If you show up late and show your boarding pass, you&#039;re telling the truth, but you&#039;re being an ass.  As I said above, this isn&#039;t a normal line for LAX.  On a Wednesday in the early afternoon, the TSA website says the average wait is under 10 minutes with a maximum of just over 10 minutes.  So nobody is going to try to cheat the system if they don&#039;t expect lines.

axelsarki - Yeah, they still have some in the old colors flying around.  It&#039;s a shrinking number, but you&#039;ll see it every so often.  They&#039;re also keeping three in the old colors to symbolize the first three destinations.

David SF East Bay - I agree with that for sure.  I didn&#039;t want to bother getting name info on the TSA agents, even if it just meant trying to see their badge.  I was in too much of a hurry to pay attention.  BTW, I also make a point to send in a note if the service is exceptionally good as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Lusk &#8211; Thanks for checking.  I figured it wasn&#8217;t just sitting on the ground for nothing, but we never heard anything.  You could tell the Tucson agents were very stressed out.  The line at gates A4/A6 (where it appears most Southwest flights leave from in Tucson) never died down the entire 3+ hours I was sitting there.  So I&#8217;m sure their nerves were frayed.  Just a couple announcements would have been nice.</p>
<p>DC &#8211; I&#8217;m going to respond to you point by point this time.</p>
<p>> Could the TSA do better? Yes, I think you are right.<br />
> But are you suggesting they should not follow procedure<br />
> when it comes to you? </p>
<p>Absolutely not.  I would never ask for a special exemption on anything.  I want this sort of treatment to extend to everyone who is running late.  The TSA may be a security organization, but that doesn&#8217;t give it the right to be exempt from customer service.  People run late, and the TSA should work to accommodate that.  </p>
<p>> You know enough about the business to understand<br />
> that the ability to handle exceptions doesn’t just happen.</p>
<p>That sounds like a cop out to me.  First of all, the TSA could at least have rough estimates of how long it would take to get through the line.  They couldn&#8217;t even give me that information.  Then they could have line minders going through the security line to determine which people wouldn&#8217;t make it and pull them up to the front to allow them through.  It&#8217;s not that hard to do.  And since this isn&#8217;t a normal-sized line at LAX these days, you&#8217;re not going to find people trying to cheat the system.  People wouldn&#8217;t have expected to see that line, so it&#8217;s really only people who were legitimately running late.</p>
<p>> It’s not at all hard to lie. Just show up late and<br />
> show your boarding pass. Do you really expect<br />
> line employees to be able to filter those types out?<br />
> The only way TSA should allow you to cut the line<br />
> is if they have procedures and training so they can<br />
> be fair to everyone. (You still did not explain why<br />
> you feel entitled to cut ahead of other passengers<br />
> who were delayed).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not lying, that&#8217;s cheating.  If you show up late and show your boarding pass, you&#8217;re telling the truth, but you&#8217;re being an ass.  As I said above, this isn&#8217;t a normal line for LAX.  On a Wednesday in the early afternoon, the TSA website says the average wait is under 10 minutes with a maximum of just over 10 minutes.  So nobody is going to try to cheat the system if they don&#8217;t expect lines.</p>
<p>axelsarki &#8211; Yeah, they still have some in the old colors flying around.  It&#8217;s a shrinking number, but you&#8217;ll see it every so often.  They&#8217;re also keeping three in the old colors to symbolize the first three destinations.</p>
<p>David SF East Bay &#8211; I agree with that for sure.  I didn&#8217;t want to bother getting name info on the TSA agents, even if it just meant trying to see their badge.  I was in too much of a hurry to pay attention.  BTW, I also make a point to send in a note if the service is exceptionally good as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travel continues to suck. The TSA and others do not make it any better - shame on them. I give credit to the people with the decency who held your place in line - most of the other folks in this story (for their sake) were hopefully having a bad day.

It could be worse though
http://i40.tinypic.com/2u61p4i.jpg

hopefully happier trails are in front of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travel continues to suck. The TSA and others do not make it any better &#8211; shame on them. I give credit to the people with the decency who held your place in line &#8211; most of the other folks in this story (for their sake) were hopefully having a bad day.</p>
<p>It could be worse though<br />
<a href="http://i40.tinypic.com/2u61p4i.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i40.tinypic.com/2u61p4i.jpg</a></p>
<p>hopefully happier trails are in front of you.</p>
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		<title>By: David SF east bay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SF east bay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime you get bad treatment write the persons name and the details and write a letter to the company. That&#039;s the only way things can change and management may think all the employees are doing what should be done according to procedures. At the least you might get some perk as a &quot;we&#039;re sorry&quot;. Besides sending a letter to a customer service department, send a copy to the president of the airline and advise the customer service dept people that you did, if they know the president of the company will see your letter they might do a little better on your issue. Couldn&#039;t hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime you get bad treatment write the persons name and the details and write a letter to the company. That&#8217;s the only way things can change and management may think all the employees are doing what should be done according to procedures. At the least you might get some perk as a &#8220;we&#8217;re sorry&#8221;. Besides sending a letter to a customer service department, send a copy to the president of the airline and advise the customer service dept people that you did, if they know the president of the company will see your letter they might do a little better on your issue. Couldn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: axelsarki</title>
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		<dc:creator>axelsarki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>id did not know that SWA still had &quot;puke Colors&quot; aircraft</description>
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