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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Secure Flight&#8221; Will Soon Require Gender and Birthdate When You Fly</title>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MarkWeb - I&#039;m not sure that I disagree with you (though gender really won&#039;t help very much) in theory.  But the big question is this . . . is it worth the billions of dollars that it&#039;s going to cost?  I agree completely that it&#039;s ridiculous how archaic the systems are and how little they can handle.  But does it make sense to throw a band-aid on and try to bring the existing systems up to code, or should we be encouraging everyone to implement new systems so that we don&#039;t keep slapping on temporary fixes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarkWeb &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure that I disagree with you (though gender really won&#8217;t help very much) in theory.  But the big question is this . . . is it worth the billions of dollars that it&#8217;s going to cost?  I agree completely that it&#8217;s ridiculous how archaic the systems are and how little they can handle.  But does it make sense to throw a band-aid on and try to bring the existing systems up to code, or should we be encouraging everyone to implement new systems so that we don&#8217;t keep slapping on temporary fixes?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkWeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkWeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come down on the other side of the issue. I think the airlines AND TSA should have been collecting birthdate and full name information a long time ago. Sheesh, how are they supposed to avoid false positives with only a name to go by, there are just too many name matches.

On the other hand, I&#039;d like to see the birthdate information limited to month and year (to reduce some identity theft risk).

What I think is hilarious, is the fact that despite all the years of computer and data base development,

1) the databases can&#039;t handle middle names well, can&#039;t handle long last names, and can&#039;t handle native scripts other than English (no Thai, Chinese, Arabic). Even if the airlines need Romanizations of foreign scripts so the gate agents can pronounce foreign names and tell one from another, it&#039;s absurd to think that foreign spellings also get transliterated to the English alphabet uniformly.

2) we are fools to think that names are as &quot;consistent&quot; in foreign countries as they are in this country. Spelling and usage shifts much more readily in other countries than they shift here. Heck, for that matter, I drove databases nuts when I used my middle name instead of my first name (I never use my first name, EXCEPT for travel or driver&#039;s license purposes).

The whole idea of tagging identity to an officially issued card or supposed fixed name is absurd. We need a finger printing biometric device if we really want to track the bad guys.

Assuming we can figure out who the bad guys are. The elephant in the sitting room is the fact that terrorist organizations constantly recruit new and unknown names and faces to do their dirty work for them. Our lists will ALWAYS be out of date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come down on the other side of the issue. I think the airlines AND TSA should have been collecting birthdate and full name information a long time ago. Sheesh, how are they supposed to avoid false positives with only a name to go by, there are just too many name matches.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;d like to see the birthdate information limited to month and year (to reduce some identity theft risk).</p>
<p>What I think is hilarious, is the fact that despite all the years of computer and data base development,</p>
<p>1) the databases can&#8217;t handle middle names well, can&#8217;t handle long last names, and can&#8217;t handle native scripts other than English (no Thai, Chinese, Arabic). Even if the airlines need Romanizations of foreign scripts so the gate agents can pronounce foreign names and tell one from another, it&#8217;s absurd to think that foreign spellings also get transliterated to the English alphabet uniformly.</p>
<p>2) we are fools to think that names are as &#8220;consistent&#8221; in foreign countries as they are in this country. Spelling and usage shifts much more readily in other countries than they shift here. Heck, for that matter, I drove databases nuts when I used my middle name instead of my first name (I never use my first name, EXCEPT for travel or driver&#8217;s license purposes).</p>
<p>The whole idea of tagging identity to an officially issued card or supposed fixed name is absurd. We need a finger printing biometric device if we really want to track the bad guys.</p>
<p>Assuming we can figure out who the bad guys are. The elephant in the sitting room is the fact that terrorist organizations constantly recruit new and unknown names and faces to do their dirty work for them. Our lists will ALWAYS be out of date.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a triumph of bureaucracy. Is Harry &quot;You&#039;re Doin&#039; a Great Job, Brownie&quot; Brown of Katrina/FEMA fame in charge of this program?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a triumph of bureaucracy. Is Harry &#8220;You&#8217;re Doin&#8217; a Great Job, Brownie&#8221; Brown of Katrina/FEMA fame in charge of this program?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your little artwork :)</description>
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