Comments on: A Cranky Jackass for the Death of American’s Aviation Safety Action Program

By: Live Wire

Live Wire — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:42:51 +0000

That’s not going to help out the airline industries :/
-Jack

By: American Bureaucrats

American Bureaucrats — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:41:14 +0000

Why am I not surprised. American Airlines, is very similar with two large airlines that I worked for. They enjoy the corporate talk and how they cooperate with employees. But truly they never walk this talk.

American from my personal experience likes to throw the blame on any other department or anyone else. It’s all about how their boss will review anything that is said.

By: Greg

Greg — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:55:29 +0000

Most airlines have this program. I am a pilot for an airline that just implemented it recently, and we are already seeing operational safety changes from it.

Of bigger concern than this specific program dying though is the attack on the program as a whole. People were willing participate it the program because their names remain untied to the events. However, a judge ruled in a lawsuit against Comair that ambulance-chasers now have access to all the information. This is having much more impact on the program.

By: CF

CF — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:22:02 +0000

Nick – Not sure if others have the programs, but this sounded like a pilot program so I’m guessing not.

By: Nick Barnard

Nick Barnard — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:11:51 +0000

I wonder do most airlines run programs like this?

If so, American should be force to put on all of their customer facing materials that “American airlines does not have a aviation professional supported system for reporting safety violations.”. Given that programs like this are responsible for a marked increase in aviation safety the lack of such programs should require public warning like cigarettes. Let both parties deal with the reduced bookings that’ll result.

By: CF

CF — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:18:38 +0000

Ron – I saw American’s Kurt Stache at the A380 event and he mentioned that they’d be live back on Kayak this week. Good to see it happen, because Kayak was really not helpful without AA on there.

By: Ron

Ron — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:45:13 +0000

Somewhat off-topic (but about the same airline): have you noticed that AA is available on Kayak as of yesterday?

By: CF

CF — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:10:49 +0000

Phil – Yes, I didn’t specify in the post, but that’s what I meant by “Safety violations will likely go unreported, or at the very least, reported through alternate, less direct channels.” It would still seem to me that working directly with management *should* be more effective and get quicker results.

By: Phil

Phil — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:07:11 +0000

I’m not familiar with AA’s program, but it seems to duplicate the highly successful Aviation Safety Reporting Program (ASRP) which utilizes the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) as a third party to receive Aviation Safety Reports.

Pilots (and other aviation professionals) receive total immunity for reporting unsafe and dangerous conditions and procedures. I doubt you’ll find a pilot without a blank ASRS form in his/her flight-bag …

More info at their website at http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/