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		<title>By: David SFeastbay</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/10/15/ask-cranky-is-the-clear-program-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-75304</link>
		<dc:creator>David SFeastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s good to know, that should rest a lot of peoples minds on where their personal info is. Thanks Cranky</description>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/10/15/ask-cranky-is-the-clear-program-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-75298</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David SF - The WSJ Middle Seat Terminal has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009/06/23/clear-update-what-happens-to-your-personal-data/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;great piece on this today&lt;/a&gt;.  According to the former head of Clear, Steve Brill, the data is held by Lockheed Martin and the TSA can reclaim the data if they so choose.  It can&#039;t be used for any other purpose, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David SF &#8211; The WSJ Middle Seat Terminal has a <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009/06/23/clear-update-what-happens-to-your-personal-data/" rel="nofollow">great piece on this today</a>.  According to the former head of Clear, Steve Brill, the data is held by Lockheed Martin and the TSA can reclaim the data if they so choose.  It can&#8217;t be used for any other purpose, however.</p>
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		<title>By: David SFeastbay</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2008/10/15/ask-cranky-is-the-clear-program-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-75297</link>
		<dc:creator>David SFeastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Clear shut down unexpectly last night the buzz now is what happens to all the personal data people gave them and the money they paid for the program. The money is not the important thing, but the personal data is. 

I watched the San Francisco airport manager on the news and he said they only found out last night when TSA notified them that Clear would shut down at 11pm Pacific Time. I wonder how many people this morniing showed up around the country at the last minute thinking their Clear card would speed things along only to find themselves at the back of a  long line. 

If someone new comes in to take their place, would anyone now trust them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Clear shut down unexpectly last night the buzz now is what happens to all the personal data people gave them and the money they paid for the program. The money is not the important thing, but the personal data is. </p>
<p>I watched the San Francisco airport manager on the news and he said they only found out last night when TSA notified them that Clear would shut down at 11pm Pacific Time. I wonder how many people this morniing showed up around the country at the last minute thinking their Clear card would speed things along only to find themselves at the back of a  long line. </p>
<p>If someone new comes in to take their place, would anyone now trust them?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a Clear member for almost a year now and will not be renewing. The program is a joke. If there are no long lines for the initial TSA boarding pass and I.D. screen, Clear poses no advantage at all - in fact, it adds an extra step, the biometrics, to the process. Then you have to go through the same process as every one else, with no dedicated lines for screening. Hardly worth it - unless one has money to burn for no real advantage. The first couple of times I went through it, I thought to myself, &quot;man, am I a sucker&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a Clear member for almost a year now and will not be renewing. The program is a joke. If there are no long lines for the initial TSA boarding pass and I.D. screen, Clear poses no advantage at all &#8211; in fact, it adds an extra step, the biometrics, to the process. Then you have to go through the same process as every one else, with no dedicated lines for screening. Hardly worth it &#8211; unless one has money to burn for no real advantage. The first couple of times I went through it, I thought to myself, &#8220;man, am I a sucker&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QRC,

The reason the TSA does not know for sure if people are who they say they are is because we have no national identity system in place, and thus far any attempt to build one has been shut down by groups like the ACLU and congress members who oppose such standards.  A national identity system would necessarily rely on some form of biometric, as it is the only way to truly know who someone is.

This is what makes Clear members &#039;preferred&#039; travelers. They are who they say they are.  On the other hand, those that are members have given up some degree of privacy - the quid pro quo for having superior access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QRC,</p>
<p>The reason the TSA does not know for sure if people are who they say they are is because we have no national identity system in place, and thus far any attempt to build one has been shut down by groups like the ACLU and congress members who oppose such standards.  A national identity system would necessarily rely on some form of biometric, as it is the only way to truly know who someone is.</p>
<p>This is what makes Clear members &#8216;preferred&#8217; travelers. They are who they say they are.  On the other hand, those that are members have given up some degree of privacy &#8211; the quid pro quo for having superior access.</p>
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		<title>By: zb</title>
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		<dc:creator>zb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QRC, you say: &quot;I DO agree with the idea of allowing someone to pay to get to the front, it’s basic economics.&quot;

This is exactly what gives me an headache. The TSA&#039;s job, in the first place, is putting a law to work. They are doing nothing else than law enforcement a.k.a. a police job. At least with the basic idea of how police should work, there is just absolutely no way how different people pay different fees to get different treatment by different police officers. We all know that in some cases, reality works different and money matters. And with Clear, the &#039;money matters&#039; feature is not just a strange side effect of being biased by wealth or plain bribery -- the &#039;money matters&#039; feature is already installed in the system. Look at it from the TSA&#039;s and Clear&#039;s side: They are dealing with their paying customers and this is in contrast with making sure everyone gets looked at the same way for the sake of everyone&#039;s safety.

One of the most important ideas behind free societies is the system of Separation of Powers, wherein one job of the executive branch must faithfully put the laws into action. Paying money and thus having an influence on how the law is put into action in your own personal case will be a step towards corrupting one of the very important mechanisms of a free society.

BTW, before anyone starts calling me a &#039;commie&#039;, please read your old history books from High School and think again why freedom is such an important, basic issue in a democratic society and what requirements there are for freedom to work. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#United_States:_three_branches&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; will also be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QRC, you say: &#8220;I DO agree with the idea of allowing someone to pay to get to the front, it’s basic economics.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly what gives me an headache. The TSA&#8217;s job, in the first place, is putting a law to work. They are doing nothing else than law enforcement a.k.a. a police job. At least with the basic idea of how police should work, there is just absolutely no way how different people pay different fees to get different treatment by different police officers. We all know that in some cases, reality works different and money matters. And with Clear, the &#8216;money matters&#8217; feature is not just a strange side effect of being biased by wealth or plain bribery &#8212; the &#8216;money matters&#8217; feature is already installed in the system. Look at it from the TSA&#8217;s and Clear&#8217;s side: They are dealing with their paying customers and this is in contrast with making sure everyone gets looked at the same way for the sake of everyone&#8217;s safety.</p>
<p>One of the most important ideas behind free societies is the system of Separation of Powers, wherein one job of the executive branch must faithfully put the laws into action. Paying money and thus having an influence on how the law is put into action in your own personal case will be a step towards corrupting one of the very important mechanisms of a free society.</p>
<p>BTW, before anyone starts calling me a &#8216;commie&#8217;, please read your old history books from High School and think again why freedom is such an important, basic issue in a democratic society and what requirements there are for freedom to work. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#United_States:_three_branches" rel="nofollow">This</a> will also be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Dan - Exactly the way I feel. I remember thinking the $79 price point to zip through security was attractive enough for me to give up some of my privacy. 

Anything above $100, though, seems too much to me. And like CF mentioned, it seems like it will only help so many frequent flyers, as they&#039;re often already covered.

Interestingly enough, in Denver it usually takes me between 10-15 minutes to get through security. While I was waiting in line two weeks ago, I looked over at the Clear section (which at DEN has its own security screeners, etc) and noticed that no one went through it, the WHOLE time I was there. Granted, this was on a Friday morning, but still.

Makes you wonder how jacking up the prices is going to help them grow the program - it would seem volume would be their goal, seeing as how the high-priced-luxury end of the market is already being served. I certainly won&#039;t become a member, at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Dan &#8211; Exactly the way I feel. I remember thinking the $79 price point to zip through security was attractive enough for me to give up some of my privacy. </p>
<p>Anything above $100, though, seems too much to me. And like CF mentioned, it seems like it will only help so many frequent flyers, as they&#8217;re often already covered.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, in Denver it usually takes me between 10-15 minutes to get through security. While I was waiting in line two weeks ago, I looked over at the Clear section (which at DEN has its own security screeners, etc) and noticed that no one went through it, the WHOLE time I was there. Granted, this was on a Friday morning, but still.</p>
<p>Makes you wonder how jacking up the prices is going to help them grow the program &#8211; it would seem volume would be their goal, seeing as how the high-priced-luxury end of the market is already being served. I certainly won&#8217;t become a member, at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Couple of points about Clear:
1.  Whether it is worth it depends on the security waits at your home airport.  I can tell you that Monday mornings in Atlanta the Elite/1st Class security line averages a 45 minute wait.  At EWR, Delta does not have a 1st/Elite security line, so it is worth it there.  Your individual results may vary.
2.  I would guess that with Marriott and Hyatt offering a free year of Clear to their best customers, about as many people actually pay for Clear as pay for USA Today.  The real test will be in the second year when people have to fork over their own money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Couple of points about Clear:<br />
1.  Whether it is worth it depends on the security waits at your home airport.  I can tell you that Monday mornings in Atlanta the Elite/1st Class security line averages a 45 minute wait.  At EWR, Delta does not have a 1st/Elite security line, so it is worth it there.  Your individual results may vary.<br />
2.  I would guess that with Marriott and Hyatt offering a free year of Clear to their best customers, about as many people actually pay for Clear as pay for USA Today.  The real test will be in the second year when people have to fork over their own money.</p>
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		<title>By: QRC</title>
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		<dc:creator>QRC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Good points, but I don&#039;t understand why exactly confirming someone&#039;s ID is cause to cut the line. You bring up really valid arguments...aka the ONLY way you really can confirm these people&#039;s IDS is via biometrics...but why again should those passengers who have confirmed their biometrics be able to go first? Aka, if the you&#039;re really concerned about terrorists or people with fake IDs getting in, why not improve the relatively shoddy system in place for verifying regular people&#039;s IDs? I just don&#039;t understand the linkage between confirming someone&#039;s ID and getting a fast pass to the front of the line.

I DO agree with the idea of allowing someone to pay to get to the front, it&#039;s basic economics. That idea I like and think it could be used to generate more revenues. If the airlines have to compensate the TSA for their services, then the airlines should get a cut as well (given as the ticketholders are their customers). I&#039;m just not sure what biometrics have to do with line-jumping. 

My only qualm for the pay-to-play system is if the airlines have to pay a large chunk of the TSA&#039;s costs (which I&#039;m not sure about). If that&#039;s the case then I think the airlines (not the govt) should have the right to give priority to whoever they want, whether they give it to elites, sell it as an add-on, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Good points, but I don&#8217;t understand why exactly confirming someone&#8217;s ID is cause to cut the line. You bring up really valid arguments&#8230;aka the ONLY way you really can confirm these people&#8217;s IDS is via biometrics&#8230;but why again should those passengers who have confirmed their biometrics be able to go first? Aka, if the you&#8217;re really concerned about terrorists or people with fake IDs getting in, why not improve the relatively shoddy system in place for verifying regular people&#8217;s IDs? I just don&#8217;t understand the linkage between confirming someone&#8217;s ID and getting a fast pass to the front of the line.</p>
<p>I DO agree with the idea of allowing someone to pay to get to the front, it&#8217;s basic economics. That idea I like and think it could be used to generate more revenues. If the airlines have to compensate the TSA for their services, then the airlines should get a cut as well (given as the ticketholders are their customers). I&#8217;m just not sure what biometrics have to do with line-jumping. </p>
<p>My only qualm for the pay-to-play system is if the airlines have to pay a large chunk of the TSA&#8217;s costs (which I&#8217;m not sure about). If that&#8217;s the case then I think the airlines (not the govt) should have the right to give priority to whoever they want, whether they give it to elites, sell it as an add-on, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: David SF east bay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SF east bay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they raised the price so people wouldn&#039;t sign up for it. The more people that sign up the less of an advantage the program is. The non-clear passengers would not stand for a bunch of people cutting in front of them as the money they spent on tickets is the same money everyone paid. No one likes people going in front of them after they have been waiting, so unless there is a separate private clear security line the system won&#039;t work with a lot of people using clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they raised the price so people wouldn&#8217;t sign up for it. The more people that sign up the less of an advantage the program is. The non-clear passengers would not stand for a bunch of people cutting in front of them as the money they spent on tickets is the same money everyone paid. No one likes people going in front of them after they have been waiting, so unless there is a separate private clear security line the system won&#8217;t work with a lot of people using clear.</p>
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