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	<title>Comments on: Why I Hate &#8220;Best Airline&#8221; Surveys and Lists</title>
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		<title>By: Airline awards - Musings of The Global Traveller</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-93210</link>
		<dc:creator>Airline awards - Musings of The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I agree with The Cranky Flier&#8217;s recent entry about best airline surveys. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I agree with The Cranky Flier&#8217;s recent entry about best airline surveys. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Flier &#187; Palmair: One of the Top Four Airlines in the World</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-53593</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Flier &#187; Palmair: One of the Top Four Airlines in the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers of the blog know that I&#8217;m not a fan of all these &#8220;Best of&#8221; surveys. That&#8217;s why I haven&#8217;t written about JD Power&#8217;s boring surveys or anything else [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] readers of the blog know that I&#8217;m not a fan of all these &#8220;Best of&#8221; surveys. That&#8217;s why I haven&#8217;t written about JD Power&#8217;s boring surveys or anything else [...]</p>
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		<title>By: William Lundquist</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-23747</link>
		<dc:creator>William Lundquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My flight with NWA was a memorable one. The flight ended with a wait of 70 minutes to see our luggage roll down to the baggage carousel. A little too long wait for me and my children at 10:30pm No other flights noted on the floor too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My flight with NWA was a memorable one. The flight ended with a wait of 70 minutes to see our luggage roll down to the baggage carousel. A little too long wait for me and my children at 10:30pm No other flights noted on the floor too.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Flier &#187; Maybe I Don&#8217;t Hate All Surveys</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-11826</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Flier &#187; Maybe I Don&#8217;t Hate All Surveys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so maybe I was wrong in condemning all surveys. I think it may just be the surveys that take themselves too seriously. When I saw this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so maybe I was wrong in condemning all surveys. I think it may just be the surveys that take themselves too seriously. When I saw this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-10755</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, GT - there are a lot more road warriors out there than you think.  But I don&#039;t think Zagat&#039;s intends to be a methodologically sound survey; rather it is designed more along the lines of asking the opinion of a friend.

When you get off a flight, whether you take one or 400 per year, you definitely have a sense of:  was the plane clean/dirty; were the food/drink offerings (and how they were made) to your liking; were the crew members on-board and the gate area staff rude/polite/friendly/helpful; if there was a glitch, was the staff accommodating/did they go the extra mile/were they indifferent; etc. etc.

Each and every flight is an airline serving its customers, and competition encourages the carriers to do better for their customers.  Maybe someone flying to Wisconsin doesn&#039;t know that they bake cookies on Midwest!  Little things mean a lot in the airline business, and it&#039;s those little things that each and every traveler has a right to an opinion about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, GT &#8211; there are a lot more road warriors out there than you think.  But I don&#8217;t think Zagat&#8217;s intends to be a methodologically sound survey; rather it is designed more along the lines of asking the opinion of a friend.</p>
<p>When you get off a flight, whether you take one or 400 per year, you definitely have a sense of:  was the plane clean/dirty; were the food/drink offerings (and how they were made) to your liking; were the crew members on-board and the gate area staff rude/polite/friendly/helpful; if there was a glitch, was the staff accommodating/did they go the extra mile/were they indifferent; etc. etc.</p>
<p>Each and every flight is an airline serving its customers, and competition encourages the carriers to do better for their customers.  Maybe someone flying to Wisconsin doesn&#8217;t know that they bake cookies on Midwest!  Little things mean a lot in the airline business, and it&#8217;s those little things that each and every traveler has a right to an opinion about.</p>
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		<title>By: The Global Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with these kind of surveys is that very, very few people have wide enough experience to properly compare.  This is because not only are there lots of airlines but there is lots of different product differentiation also (eg domestic transcon first is quite different to domestic shorthaul first and different again to international first and international premium first - even on a single airline).  Of course, there is also the human aspect - service can vary widely just because you got a good crew, or not.

I travel more widely than most people (hundreds of flights annually on more than 20 airlines in all classes) but even so cannot rank airlines sufficiently well, in my opinion, just on my own experience. As a well informed traveller I can and do use other people&#039;s experiences and information to gauge.

But the vast majority of those who complete these kind of surveys/awards do not, in my view, have enough experience or reliable information to make an informed opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with these kind of surveys is that very, very few people have wide enough experience to properly compare.  This is because not only are there lots of airlines but there is lots of different product differentiation also (eg domestic transcon first is quite different to domestic shorthaul first and different again to international first and international premium first &#8211; even on a single airline).  Of course, there is also the human aspect &#8211; service can vary widely just because you got a good crew, or not.</p>
<p>I travel more widely than most people (hundreds of flights annually on more than 20 airlines in all classes) but even so cannot rank airlines sufficiently well, in my opinion, just on my own experience. As a well informed traveller I can and do use other people&#8217;s experiences and information to gauge.</p>
<p>But the vast majority of those who complete these kind of surveys/awards do not, in my view, have enough experience or reliable information to make an informed opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that it would be as easy as you think.  Take Vegas, for example.  They only fly to SFO and it didn&#039;t start until last month.  Even in their largest city, SFO, they only fly to LA, NY, and DC.  Many of the business travelers are going to keep flying United on those routes since they&#039;re slaves to Mileage Plus.  

But the bigger question is how they go about finding these people.  Do they actively solicit?  If so, what&#039;s to say that process isn&#039;t inherently biased?  Who are these people and are they truly a representative sample?  We just don&#039;t know and Zagat won&#039;t tell us.

But I honestly don&#039;t mean to single out Zagat here.  Their survey just happened to be the most recent.  Data manipulation is a problem in any survey and for something as complex as an airline, I don&#039;t think they&#039;re very helpful at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that it would be as easy as you think.  Take Vegas, for example.  They only fly to SFO and it didn&#8217;t start until last month.  Even in their largest city, SFO, they only fly to LA, NY, and DC.  Many of the business travelers are going to keep flying United on those routes since they&#8217;re slaves to Mileage Plus.  </p>
<p>But the bigger question is how they go about finding these people.  Do they actively solicit?  If so, what&#8217;s to say that process isn&#8217;t inherently biased?  Who are these people and are they truly a representative sample?  We just don&#8217;t know and Zagat won&#8217;t tell us.</p>
<p>But I honestly don&#8217;t mean to single out Zagat here.  Their survey just happened to be the most recent.  Data manipulation is a problem in any survey and for something as complex as an airline, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re very helpful at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CF and Dr. G,

I doubt very much that that could be the case - the suggestion you make that perhaps the Zagat raters didn&#039;t actually fly, but filled in the survey based on reputation, rumor and innuendo....  Zagat&#039;s has built a nice business and it would be beyond idiotic to risk it in the way you suggest.  

And CF, I disagree that, &quot;it’s highly unlikely that a large percentage of people would have had the opportunity since they only fly to 5 cities,&quot; because NY, SF, LA, DC &amp; Las Vegas serve a huge number of passengers.  In nearly 5 full months, it would be easy in those markets to find 7,000 Zagat people - business people who fly those routes regularly and expect more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF and Dr. G,</p>
<p>I doubt very much that that could be the case &#8211; the suggestion you make that perhaps the Zagat raters didn&#8217;t actually fly, but filled in the survey based on reputation, rumor and innuendo&#8230;.  Zagat&#8217;s has built a nice business and it would be beyond idiotic to risk it in the way you suggest.  </p>
<p>And CF, I disagree that, &#8220;it’s highly unlikely that a large percentage of people would have had the opportunity since they only fly to 5 cities,&#8221; because NY, SF, LA, DC &amp; Las Vegas serve a huge number of passengers.  In nearly 5 full months, it would be easy in those markets to find 7,000 Zagat people &#8211; business people who fly those routes regularly and expect more.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-10479</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s a great point I didn&#039;t even think about, DR Gooch.  It doesn&#039;t say anywhere that the ratings had to come from people who flew the airline at all.  Oh man, I hope that&#039;s not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s a great point I didn&#8217;t even think about, DR Gooch.  It doesn&#8217;t say anywhere that the ratings had to come from people who flew the airline at all.  Oh man, I hope that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: DR Gooch</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/11/26/why-i-hate-best-airline-surveys-and-lists/comment-page-1/#comment-10473</link>
		<dc:creator>DR Gooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis.  Speculating a bit here, it sounds like these folks answered the questions based on their perceptions and not necessarily on experiences.  Hear good things about Virgin America?  OK, rate that one highly.  Hear bad things about US Airways?  OK, rate that one low.

Basically, this survey ain&#039;t worth a damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis.  Speculating a bit here, it sounds like these folks answered the questions based on their perceptions and not necessarily on experiences.  Hear good things about Virgin America?  OK, rate that one highly.  Hear bad things about US Airways?  OK, rate that one low.</p>
<p>Basically, this survey ain&#8217;t worth a damn.</p>
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