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	<title>Comments on: Skybus To Have Advertising Wherever They Can Find Room</title>
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		<title>By: Rhyolite@nettally.com</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhyolite@nettally.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering the other day why those luggage bins aren&#039;t perforated to remove excess weight from the plane so it can fly easier, use less fuel and clear the runway safer. Now they are going to plaster advertisments on them. Its bad enough the new planes are loaded with all kinds of unneccessary entertainment equipment. I want the plane to be loaded only with essential stuff like fuel, engines and wings. All thse big planes with miles of electrical wiring and electronic entertainment doo-dads make me very nervous. Am I sounding Cranky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering the other day why those luggage bins aren&#8217;t perforated to remove excess weight from the plane so it can fly easier, use less fuel and clear the runway safer. Now they are going to plaster advertisments on them. Its bad enough the new planes are loaded with all kinds of unneccessary entertainment equipment. I want the plane to be loaded only with essential stuff like fuel, engines and wings. All thse big planes with miles of electrical wiring and electronic entertainment doo-dads make me very nervous. Am I sounding Cranky!</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I&#039;ll post about it if RyanAir starts flying to the US.  Don&#039;t get too excited yet though - it&#039;s probably years off if it happens at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I&#8217;ll post about it if RyanAir starts flying to the US.  Don&#8217;t get too excited yet though &#8211; it&#8217;s probably years off if it happens at all.</p>
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		<title>By: rcjordan</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>rcjordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She says that the original account sign-up agreement has more specific language  --like WHO keeps that around for daily reference, eh?

Now back to flying (and sort of related to selling advertising or anything else that&#039;s not bolted down on the airframe)...  How about giving us a big headsup if/when RyanAir starts working out of Islip?  Not that I want to be packed for 6+ hours on a cattle car, but I think it should shake up the low-end trans-Atlantic ticket pricing since Southwest would serve as a domestic feed to ISP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She says that the original account sign-up agreement has more specific language  &#8211;like WHO keeps that around for daily reference, eh?</p>
<p>Now back to flying (and sort of related to selling advertising or anything else that&#8217;s not bolted down on the airframe)&#8230;  How about giving us a big headsup if/when RyanAir starts working out of Islip?  Not that I want to be packed for 6+ hours on a cattle car, but I think it should shake up the low-end trans-Atlantic ticket pricing since Southwest would serve as a domestic feed to ISP.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thanks for following up.  Interesting that it&#039;s a bannable offense even though it&#039;s not specifically called out in the Ts &amp; Cs.  I&#039;ll keep in mind in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thanks for following up.  Interesting that it&#8217;s a bannable offense even though it&#8217;s not specifically called out in the Ts &#038; Cs.  I&#8217;ll keep in mind in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: rcjordan</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>rcjordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;comfortable that this is accurate

Like you, I read the T&amp;C and it seems softened so I asked the ultimate authority (outside Goog, that is), Jen of &lt;a href=&quot;http://jensense.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jensense.com&lt;/a&gt;. Jen says that to point out your ads is &quot;Still a bannable offense. Even in jest.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;comfortable that this is accurate</p>
<p>Like you, I read the T&amp;C and it seems softened so I asked the ultimate authority (outside Goog, that is), Jen of <a href="http://jensense.com" rel="nofollow">jensense.com</a>. Jen says that to point out your ads is &#8220;Still a bannable offense. Even in jest.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the heads up.  (I probably should have said that in the first place.)  I read through the Ts &amp; Cs and I didn&#039;t see any of that in there.  Are you comfortable that this is accurate?  For example, that site says in section 13:

&quot;You shall not authorize or encourage any third party to directly or indirectly generate queries, referral events or clicks on any Ad link, search result or referral button.&quot;

When I look at the Ts &amp; Cs, it says:

&quot;You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (i) directly or indirectly generate queries, Referral Events, or impressions of or clicks on any Ad, Link, Search Result, or Referral Button &lt;strong&gt;through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;

It seems like the important phrase was left off here.  Either way, I have no interest in angering the Googlers so I won&#039;t mention it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the heads up.  (I probably should have said that in the first place.)  I read through the Ts &#038; Cs and I didn&#8217;t see any of that in there.  Are you comfortable that this is accurate?  For example, that site says in section 13:</p>
<p>&#8220;You shall not authorize or encourage any third party to directly or indirectly generate queries, referral events or clicks on any Ad link, search result or referral button.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I look at the Ts &#038; Cs, it says:</p>
<p>&#8220;You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (i) directly or indirectly generate queries, Referral Events, or impressions of or clicks on any Ad, Link, Search Result, or Referral Button <strong>through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems like the important phrase was left off here.  Either way, I have no interest in angering the Googlers so I won&#8217;t mention it again.</p>
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		<title>By: rcjordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcjordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t suggesting that you were encouraging fraudulent clicks.  Google, as well as most other ad brokers, are more than a little pedantic about what is generally termed as &#039;incentive&#039; highlighting.  See 17 here:
http://performancing.com/node/258

I&#039;m not trying to be a griefer, just giving you a headsup.  And, yes, G does nuke publisher accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that you were encouraging fraudulent clicks.  Google, as well as most other ad brokers, are more than a little pedantic about what is generally termed as &#8216;incentive&#8217; highlighting.  See 17 here:<br />
<a href="http://performancing.com/node/258" rel="nofollow">http://performancing.com/node/258</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be a griefer, just giving you a headsup.  And, yes, G does nuke publisher accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: CF</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am NOT suggesting that anyone fraudulently click those links.  I&#039;m just suggesting that people pay attention to them and click if they have a genuine interest.  

I&#039;ve clarified it in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am NOT suggesting that anyone fraudulently click those links.  I&#8217;m just suggesting that people pay attention to them and click if they have a genuine interest.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve clarified it in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: rcjordan</title>
		<link>http://crankyflier.com/2007/04/11/skybus-to-have-advertising-wherever-they-can-find-room/comment-page-1/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>rcjordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Side note: Remember to use those Google links at the bottom of this post

Careful there, Cranky.  You just violated Google&#039;s ad terms for publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Side note: Remember to use those Google links at the bottom of this post</p>
<p>Careful there, Cranky.  You just violated Google&#8217;s ad terms for publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Skybus To Have Advertising Wherever They Can Find Room</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Skybus To Have Advertising Wherever They Can Find Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI saw this Skybus press release announcing their aircraft advertising program today and knew I had to blog about it. In short, they are going to sell advertising on any white space they can find. This includes the outside of the plane, &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI saw this Skybus press release announcing their aircraft advertising program today and knew I had to blog about it. In short, they are going to sell advertising on any white space they can find. This includes the outside of the plane, &#8230; [...]</p>
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